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Fionn
Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 02:43 AM
The Celts settled all over ancient Europe bringing with them the Keltic-Nordid racial type. In any area which was (or still is) inhabited by the Celts the Keltic-Nordid sub-race can be found accordingly, from Ireland and Great Britain to the Low Countries, Switzerland, Austria and parts of Germany. However, I have never read about a Keltic-Nordid population in France (Gaul) , or even Northern Iberia, which were inhabited by ancient Celts for many hundreds of years before the Romans invaded. So what exactly happened to the Keltic racial type in these parts of Europe? Or can Keltic-Nordids still be found in these places? Thanks.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 06:39 AM
Carlton Coon has a racial map in The Races of Europe in which Keltic Nordics in France are mapped. To simplify, Meds. in the south, Keltic Nords in the north. Of course when these two types cross, you have to squint and make subjective value calls to do typing.

Voron
Wednesday, October 18th, 2006, 05:10 PM
What about this person

http://keed.ru:8003/WWW/promo/photos/2/269/14907.jpg

How it is possible to distinguish northern Gaul from northern Frank

Where the morphological differences are?

http://www.romantisches-franken.de/

Ragnar Thorsson
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 10:09 AM
The Celts settled all over ancient Europe bringing with them the Keltic-Nordid racial type. In any area which was (or still is) inhabited by the Celts the Keltic-Nordid sub-race can be found accordingly, from Ireland and Great Britain to the Low Countries, Switzerland, Austria and parts of Germany. However, I have never read about a Keltic-Nordid population in France (Gaul) , or even Northern Iberia, which were inhabited by ancient Celts for many hundreds of years before the Romans invaded. So what exactly happened to the Keltic racial type in these parts of Europe? Or can Keltic-Nordids still be found in these places? Thanks.
The Keltic Nordids in the Lowlands have nothing to do with the Celts. The Keltics here are descendants of Franks. (Germanic Tribe) I'd say they are more dinaricized Hallstatts. Ofcourse this is my opinion, no idea if this is true. But it sounds very logical since they are descendants of Franks.

Galaico
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 11:34 AM
The Keltic Nordid type is much older than the Celtic culture, and as Ragnar said it is not necessarily related to the Celts. It just happens to be found at a high rate in areas of Celtic culture.

Terms such as Germanic, Slavic, Celtic, etc. can hardly be considered as racial, they are much more ethno-linguistical and cultural. This is especially true with the Celts. The Central European Celts never settled in Western Europe, it was much a process of culturisation of the West Paleo-Europeans who adopted the Celtic culture, probably first as a lingua franca.


Among Atlantic Celtic groups, the main line of attack is that – while there is strong evidence for linkages between Atlantic and Continental Celts – earlier assumptions that the Atlantic Celts must be the descendants of Continental Celts have largely been proven false. This finding has led some, including Richard Wagner of the Irish Institute, to assert that the Atlantic Celts are not Celts at all.Defenders of Celtic identity counter that the term has long referred to both Continental and Atlantic groups and is not dependant on any association between the two, so while revelations that the Atlantic Celts are an indigenous and not an immigrant group are of profound academic interest they are not particularly relevant to debates around the ethnic identitifications of the modern Celtic nations.
Recent genetic evidence seems to indicate that the populations of Ireland, Wales, Brittany, the Isle of Mann, and Galicia may be closely linked and have been remarkably stable for "at least 6,000 years".This would mean that their shared culture actually pre-dates the La Tène and Hallstatt Celtic cultures. This does not necessarily mean that these peoples are not "Celts", however. Rather it means that the historical understanding of who the Celts were and are may need to be revised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Celts

Jäger
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 01:31 PM
The Keltic-Nordic type seems to be wdiely present in nowadys Franconia, after Coon that is.

I can agree with this, since I live here, although most seem to be "Keltic-Faelids" actually, just my imperssion :)

Technically a northern Gaul has had different racial influences (roman ones?) While the Franks in nowadays franconia could escape that to an extened. It would be interesting to see some comparisons between the two though.

Southern Jarl
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 04:58 PM
The Keltic-Nordic type seems to be wdiely present in nowadys Franconia, after Coon that is.

I can agree with this, since I live here, although most seem to be "Keltic-Faelids" actually, just my imperssion :)

Technically a northern Gaul has had different racial influences (roman ones?) While the Franks in nowadays franconia could escape that to an extened. It would be interesting to see some comparisons between the two though.

I agree, but I think that the one who asked meant the differences between a northern Gaul and a Frank from France (who are no loger discernible as an ethnicity) rather than a living Frank from modern Germany. In that case I'd say that the presence of Alpinids as a major element in Gauls would be the main difference (I may be wrong). And Roman influences make sense too.

Jäger
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 06:12 PM
I agree, but I think that the one who asked meant the differences between a northern Gaul and a Frank from France (who are no loger discernible as an ethnicity) rather than a living Frank from modern Germany.
But he gave a link to Franconia in Germany :)

Stroem
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 06:28 PM
What about this person

http://keed.ru:8003/WWW/promo/photos/2/269/14907.jpg

How it is possible to distinguish northern Gaul from northern Frank

Where the morphological differences are?

http://www.romantisches-franken.de/

Alain Delon was classified before as Atlantid (probably with Cromagnid admixture) on this forum : http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=37851&highlight=Alain+Delon

A very good actor btw.

Voron
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 06:40 PM
WHERE IS NOW, IN FRANCE, the Germanic tribe Franks, which gave it's name to this country

All dead

Or mixed

Very sadly.

Or they still exist? Then France should be in the German club

OneEnglishNorman
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Two French Keltics;

Uber Keltic-Nordid Jean Rochefort:

http://www.cyranos.ch/dopproc6.jpg
http://www.phil.stubbs.btinternet.co.uk/pix/lilm/ps_tgjr.jpg
http://www.televize.cz/images/fotografie/Televize/2005/9/jean4.jpg


Franck Ribery:

http://images.skysports.com/images/playerpics05_06/WorldCup2006/France/ribery_side.jpghttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42201000/jpg/_42201064_ribery203.jpg

Voron
Thursday, October 19th, 2006, 07:40 PM
http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/50313/po.54638.jpg

I Know fake saxons from England

Do you need images

Fionn
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 04:17 AM
The Keltic Nordids in the Lowlands have nothing to do with the Celts. The Keltics here are descendants of Franks. (Germanic Tribe) I'd say they are more dinaricized Hallstatts. Ofcourse this is my opinion, no idea if this is true. But it sounds very logical since they are descendants of Franks.

I have heard this before, that many Franks were Keltic-Nordids. But, you must remember that Keltic tribes inhabitated the Low Countries before the Franks even arrived.