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Taras Bulba
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 01:52 AM

Christianity--Religion of the West
by Prof. Revilo P. Oliver

The late Revilo Oliver was Professor of the Classics at the University of Illinois in Urbana and was one of America's greatest patriots.

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT unto the way of the heathen...but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt. 10:5-6)

YOU, WHO ARE now reading these lines, and I are strangers. I have no means of knowing whether you are a Christian or an atheist. That, however, will not matter, so long as we talk about facts and not wishes.

The observed and verifiable facts of the world about us are not affected by religious faith or the lack of faith. Christians and atheists must find themselves in perfect agreement when they affirm that lead is more malleable than steel, that the earth is an oblate spheroid rotating on its axis, that whales are mammals, that Germany was defeated and devastated by the many nations allied against her in 1945, and that the Chinese are Mongolians.

About such matters there can be no dispute among Western men, who instinctively accept the reality of the world about us and CANNOT believe, as do many Orientals, that it is merely an illusion in the mind of a dreamer.

If we would salvage and restore our civilization -- the Occidental culture that is peculiarly our own and that now seems to be disintegrating and rotting before our very eyes -- we must do so as Western men, by observing reality objectively and by reasoning from it dispassionately. And when we try to compute what resources remain to us, we need first of all to determine the actual strength of the Christian tradition at the present time.

The West and Christianity Synonymous

It is a fact, which Christians will regard with satisfaction and some atheists may deplore, that Western civilization in the sense that the great majority of the people belonging to it (though never, at any time, ALL of them) believed implicitly in the truth of the Christian revelation. That religious unanimity was for a long time so nearly complete that, after the fall of the Roman Empire and the evanescence of hopes for its restoration, we of the West regarded our religion as the bond that united us and distinguished us from the rest of the human species.

During the Middle Ages, our ancestors occupied the greater part of Europe, and, until they discovered the American continents, they lived only in Europe, but despite that geographical unity, they did not generally refer to themselves as the Europeans. For all practical purposes, furthermore, our ancestors belonged to the same division of the White race: they, like the true Greeks and the true Romans before them, were all members of the great race that we now call Indo-European or Aryan, but they had in their languages no word to designate their blood relationship and biological unity. Thus, when they referred to the unity of which they were always conscious as something transcending the constantly shifting territorial and political divisions of Europe, they called themselves Christendom. And for many centuries that word was adequate and misled no one.

For many centuries the West was Christendom and its civilization was indubitably Christian: that, whether you like it or not, is an historical fact. There is a complementary historical fact that was less obvious at the time and that even thoughtful men overlooked or tried to ignore until the events of the past two decades made it indubitable: Christianity is a religion of the West, and, for all practical purposes, ONLY of the west. It is not, as its polemical adversaries so often charge, a Semitic cult, for it has never commanded the adhesion of any considerable number of [Semites], and it is not, as Christians once generally believed, a universal religion, for experience has now proved that it cannot be successfully exported to populations that are not Indo-European.

Ascertained Facts Undeniable

Experience has also proved that it does not do the slightest good to deny ascertained facts. The men of Classical antiquity knew, of course, that the earth is spherical, and Eratosthenes in the third century B.C. calculated its circumference as 24,663 miles.

But the early Fathers of the Church, living in the age of growing ignorance that shrouded the last century of the Roman Empire, decided, on the basis of some statements in the Old Testament, that the earth ought to be flat or, at least, no more curved than a shield. Lactantius was the most eloquent and probably, therefore, the most influential of the many who assiduously demanded that the earth be flat and so imposed on their contemporaries the conviction that it was. In the Middle Ages, to be sure, there were some learned men, such as Buridan, who knew that the globe is a globe, but they, like learned men today, who all know very well that talk about the equality of races is utter nonsense, usually refrained from publicly denouncing fashionable delusions. It was not until the Fifteenth Century that the truth became again inescapable, but when it did, the Christians, being men of the West, who do not deny the lessons of experience, surrendered the comfortable error in which they had once generally believed; and since that time, no rational Christian has doubted that the earth is spherical.

Western Civilization Unexportable

Today, as in the Fifteenth Century, Western men have had to discard a congenial assumption to bring their conception of the world into conformity with observed reality. So long as we of the West held unquestioned dominion over the whole earth, we permitted ourselves to assume that our civilization in general, and our religion in particular, could be exported and made universal. We did not sufficiently observe that talent for mimicry is common to all human beings and indeed to all anthropoids; that all human beings stand in awe of those who have power over them; and that a genius for dissimulation and hypocrisy is hereditary in the most intelligent Orientals.

Even with these oversights, the evidence against our assumption was fairly clear, but in the pride of our power we felt that we could indulge an assumption that was so congenial to the romantic generosity that is a peculiarity of our race. But the events of half a century, and especially of the past two decades, have shown us, beyond peradventure of doubt, the shape of the world in which we live. We now know what our prolonged missionary effort, cultural as well as religious, accomplished -- and how its visible effects were produced.

Conversion by Cannon

When Cortes and his small but valiant band of iron men conquered the teeming empire of the Aztecs, he was immediately followed by a train of earnest missionaries, chiefly Franciscans, who began to preach the Gospel to the native and soon sent home, with naive enthusiasm, glowing accounts of the conversions they had effected. Their pious sincerity and innocent joy still lives in the pages of Father Shagun, Father Torquemada, and many others. For their sake I am glad that the poor Franciscans never suspected how small a part they played in the religious conversions that gave them such happiness. Far, far more persuasive than their sermons and their book had been the Spanish cannon that breached and shattered the Aztec defenses, and the ruthless Spanish soldiers who slew the Aztec priests at their own altars and toppled the Aztec idols from the sacrificial pyramids.

The Aztecs, Tepanecs, and other natives accepted Christianity, not because their hearts were touched by alien and incomprehensible doctrines of love and mercy, but because it was the religion of the White men whose bronze cannon and mailclad warriors were invincible.

Military force -- Not Love

That was early in the Sixteenth Century and even then there were not wanting indications that should have given pause to a critical mind, but we of the West went on repeating that found mistake for four centuries, as the missionaries whom we sent to all parts of the world wrote home glowing reports of the number of "hearts" they had "won for Christ." It was only after our enemies' campaign of "anti-colonialism" really got under way that most of us realized that what had won all those hearts was primarily the discipline of British regiments and the manifest power of the White man.

We now know what happened. On many a shore of Africa, for example, missionaries eager to "win souls for Christ" ventured to land alone, and the aborigines, after mutilating and torturing them for a good communal laugh, ate them, cooked or raw according to the custom of the local cuisine. Usually, a few weeks or a few months later, a British cruiser hove to off shore and lobbed half a dozen 4.5 shells into the native village, and, if not pressed for time, landed half a company of marines to beat the bushes and drag out a dozen or so savages to hang on convenient trees.

Consequently the tribe, if not very obtuse, took the hint and respected the next bevy of missionaries as some how representing the god of thunder and lightning. And if the men of God distributed enough free rice and medical care with their sermons, they were able to make "converts," as the natives learned to utter the words that Christians like to hear.

White Missionaries Murdered

That is, in essence, the whole history of "winning souls" among the savages. There were, of course, many local variations. If the first missionaries were preceded by troops or White settlers, the Blacks had already been convinced of the virtues of Christian rifles and had learned that White men should not be regarded as esculent comestibles. If often happened, however, that the natives, ever after many years of preaching and conversion, rejected the White man's odd rites very emphatically, and a fresh supply of missionaries was needed. In 1905, for example, the Maji-Maji conspiracy in Tanganyika murdered all the missionaries and almost all the White men and women in the entire territory, and it required a German regiment and several companies of marines to restore the teaching of the Gospel. That was done by giving some forty or fifty thousand demonstrations that a Mauser bullet could penetrate even a Black hide that had been most carefully anointed with the grease of a boiled baby.

The Christian missionaries did teach a ritual and often inculcated a superstition that had some superficial substance of Christianity, but they might as well have followed the example of St. Francis and preached sermons to the birds. That is why the many, many thousands of devoted Christians who expended their whole lives to "save souls" built only an edifice of cardboard and tinsel that is now gone in the wind.

Christianity Incomprehensible to Natives

What the vanishing of that flimsy facade has made obvious was predictable from the first. The religion of the West has never been comprehensible to the rudimentary minds of Congoids, Capoids, and Australoids; races so primitive that they were congenitally incapable of inventing a wheel and even of using one without supervision -- races that could not develop for themselves even the first and simplest preliminaries of a civilization.

When the missionaries invented systems of writing the crude languages of the primitives, they had also to invent words to express such concepts as 'God', 'soul,' 'justice,' 'morality,' and 'religion' -- invent them by either creating new words or by perverting to such meanings sounds that in the native jargons conveyed impressions that were faintly and remotely analogous. That fact alone should have made us think.

It was clear, furthermore, that the "converts," even those who had been most thoroughly imbued with an awe of the god of repeating rifles and locomotives, would conform to the White man's morality only under coercion, and that whenever they escaped from the White man's supervision they spontaneously reverted not only to their own mores but also to whatever form of voodoo they had practiced before.

Even if earlier experience had not been conclusive, what happened in Haiti at the very beginning of the Nineteenth Century should have removed the last lingering doubt. But the missionaries did not learn, and the "Ladies' Missionary Society" went on contributing their mites, plying their needles, and glowing with tender emotion for the sweet little savages depicted by their romantic imaginations.

Although it is true that in some places in the former colonial possessions missionaries are still tolerated, if they are obsequious to the natives and pay very well, we have at least learned that the Gospel follows the British regiments in the White man's ignominious and insane retreat from the world that was his.

Abby Normal
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 04:00 AM
Hmm... Western civilization has been Christian for many years; however, one cannot say that Christianity is synonymous with the West because Christianity was not created by the West. It is a product of the East that has made its way to the West.

Friday, January 30th, 2004, 04:58 AM
Hmm... Western civilization has been Christian for many years; however, one cannot say that Christianity is synonymous with the West because Christianity was not created by the West. It is a product of the East that has made its way to the West.

True, I do understand your point, even today there are christian populations in the near east. Although when most think of christianity, they think of europeans. We are forever linked to it, because we became it's vessel of transportation both to the new world and old alike.

Friday, January 30th, 2004, 09:25 AM
Hmm... Western civilization has been Christian for many years; however, one cannot say that Christianity is synonymous with the West because Christianity was not created by the West. It is a product of the East that has made its way to the West.

Agriculture and Indo-Europeans both made their way from the east to the west. Using that logic, you'd pretty much have to forgo not only anything grown on a farm, but also the majority of european peoples and culture as a whole ;)

Friday, January 30th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Hmm... Western civilization has been Christian for many years; however, one cannot say that Christianity is synonymous with the West because Christianity was not created by the West. It is a product of the East that has made its way to the West.

So did the European people.

I can't make a better argument than the original article makes for itself, but I will add that I think that perhaps you've fallen victim to the invention of the word "Judeo-Christian" which has nothing to do with Christianity.

Check this out -
Regarding the term Judeo-Christian (http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/essay_JC.htm)

Taras Bulba
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 08:58 PM
Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. Even the Jews admit this!

Christianity has roots in Western thinking.

"Still, one fact must be stressed. Christianity has had a strong tie to Hellenism from the beginning, in that it was spread by means of Greek. The oldest Christian writings, including the authentic letters of Paul, were written in Greek. Whatever may have been the linguistic form of oral tradition and underlying sources of the canonical Gospels, these, too, were composed in Greek. The choice is not limited to the mission of the "Apostle to the Gentiles". It is inherent in the usage of communities that produced the texts that were later canonized as a cherent set, the New Testament. The Jews of the Diaspora were speakers of Greek. They adopted the koine, the language of communication throughout the Orient from the time of Alexander's conquests. Galilee was strongly marked by Hellenistic civilization, and even in Judea, Greek was widespread.
--"Hellenism and Christianity" from "Greek thought : a guide to classical knowledge" edited by Jacques Brunschwig and Geoffrey E.R. Lloyd, with the collaboration of Pierre Pellegrin ; translated under the direction of Catherine Porter. page 858

Taras Bulba
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 09:10 PM
Indeed Galilee was marked heavily by Hellenistic civilization, which earned them the contempt of Judeans. Also Galileens were not Jews, either in the ethnic/racial sense or even really in the religious sense. Well I believe Moody-Lawless asked then why are there synagouges in Galilee and why is Jesus under the authority of the Pharisees if hes not a Jew?

I admit this stumped me untill at a local book sale I found an interesting book on the the role of Jesus on the development of Judaism. Interesting enough it talked about how Judeans had contempt for Galileens. Apparently the Judeans conquered and imposed the Jewish faith on the people that became Galileens during around the Machabean period. Yet the Judaism that arose in Galilee was significantly different from that in Judean. Galileen Judaism hardly paid any attention to Jewish law and tradition, and was more shaped by Hellenistic influences rather than anything coming from the Pharisees. So both the fact that the Galileens were not true ethnic Jews(the Catholic encyclopedia claims they were a mixture of Canaanites along with Phoenician, Syrian, and Greek immigrants) but also they did not adhere truely to Jewish law and traditions, did not sit well with Jewish leaders who were all Judeans.

So basically Christianity's ties to Judaism, both ethnic and religious, are extremely weak if one looks at the evidence. Christianity never had a strong Jewish following, and by the 2nd century they're pratically non-existant. Jerusalem was the smallest of all the early churches; the biggest and most influential ones were in Rome and Greece.

Friday, January 30th, 2004, 09:13 PM
Pushkin, isn't it you who reckons that this is a crap forum on the Phora? a.k.a. Perun?

Taras Bulba
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 09:14 PM
Pushkin, isn't it you who reckons that this is a crap forum on the Phora? a.k.a. Perun?
what does this have to do with christianity?

Friday, January 30th, 2004, 09:31 PM
what does this have to do with christianity?

Nothing, but it has something to do with you.

Sunday, February 1st, 2004, 10:29 AM
I am not Christian, but, the crucifixion of Jesus came from Greek.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr17_files/truecross.gif http://www.white-history.com/hwr17_files/christ.jpg

Greek god-man Orpheus-Dionysus.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr17_files/mary.jpg http://www.white-history.com/hwr17_files/truemc.jpg

Madonna and Child and Isis and Horus

Angels - Stolen from Greek Mythology

http://www.white-history.com/hwr17_files/greek_angel.JPG http://www.white-history.com/hwr17_files/xtian_angel.jpg

Goddess of Love, Aphrodite, warding off an advance by the goat-footed Pan -while an angel hovers over her shoulder. Compare this to, right, the 'angel' more often thought of as being an element of Christianity.

Christianity also took the half-goat Pan to be the symbol of the devil, which is why today in the Christian world view, the devil is most commonly portrayed with horns and goat's feet.

Sunday, February 1st, 2004, 12:18 PM
I am not Christian, but, the crucifixion of Jesus came from Greek.

I don't know about the Graeco-Roman development of Christianity, but the religion certainly aqcuired what Oswald Spengler speaks of as 'renunciation', in its core appeal. That is how it was sustained, until the jewish ghettos converged into the city-intelligentsia and the government.

I feel in agreement with such an idea of renunciation as the actual spirit.

Set aside love and compassion and speak of renunciation and Sacrifice!

Sacrifice is what we really have in all Aryan lores. The Brahmanas speak of man as having arrived out of a sacrifice.

"Man verily is the sacrifice." The word for sacrifice is Yajna-the ritual.

I have spoken of it already.

Gesta Bellica
Monday, February 2nd, 2004, 09:42 AM
Christianity as we know it was not essentially a Judaism product as Jesus Christ was just a symbol for some monotheistic tendencies that were already manifesting in the Roman-ellenic world, even in the Pagan thology.

A good example of the conflict that was spreading can be found in the story of Julian the Apostate, the last pagan emperor of Rome that tried to stop the rising of Christian faith .and reform the old pagan religion.

At that time the cradle of the philosophic and religious thinking was the greek world, and i mean not only the actual Greece, but the entire portion of the Roman world that used greek as common language and eventually developed in the Bizantine Empire.
It's not a coincidence that while the Western Roman empire collapsed the eastern Empire hold his positions and lasted for a longer time.

The lithurgy, the definition of the Holy trinity, the divine nature of Christ were the issues of a debating that went on for all the first 4-5 centuries of Christianity's life.
The Aryan and Monophisic doctrines (nothing related with the aryan race) were a good example about how the history of Christianity is not a straight line.
Those were the years where Chriastianity as we know it was born, not in the Jesus Christ days.