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Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 02:32 PM
A summary and partial translation of: A MAGYAR EMBER (http://istvandr.kiszely.hu/ostortenet/016.html)


The Hungarian people have 3 points of origin: 1. The people prior to the 894-895 AD conquering Magyar tribes such as Scythians, Sarmatians, Huns and Avars. 2. The Turkic honfoglalás Magyars who numbered 500,000. 3. The Jász, Pechenegs, Bulgars, Saxons, Slovaks, Swabians, Serbians.

..In Hungary the first authentic graves of 895-1000 AD Magyars were found...

(An artist's reconstruction and skull of a Honfoglalás Magyar man)

..In 1834 in Kecskemét 700 "authentic" Sarmatian skeletons were unearthed...

..The Honfoglalás Magyar men were on average 1.69m tall, the women were 1.58m. The average age of mortality for adults was 34 years. 60% of the skeletons were found to be under 16 years old..

The Hungarians are noted for the unique phenomenon of "Eastern vitalization" however the Hungarians are partly of the Bulgar, Jász, Pecheneg, and the indigenous people supplied a population surge. The Hungarians' representitive subracial types of the Honfoglalás past and even today are the following:

1. Turáni or turanid type. (Men 165-167 cm, women small & a little squattish. The broad cheek, the zygomatics protruding, the nose bridge flat, the eye socket small, the eyes a little wide spaced with a slanted look, the eyes blackish. Of the young children occurs "mongoloid fold." The mouth is small, the head is brachycephalic. The occiput weakly raised. Hair strands are thick, coarse, flat and hair is full. The hair is blackish-dark brown in color. The type is aboriginal to Eastern Turkistan (The heart of Asia). The type belongs to the West of the Carpathian Basin (North and South) not from elsewhere. Anthropologist Lajos Bartucz determined the occurance place of the later Magyar version of this type, the Alföldi (Homo pannonicus) is called the "Turkic Hungarian type." The occurance of this type nationally is 30-35%. Anthropologist Lajos Bartucz wrote: "the Alföldi type you can say most correctly is the "Magyar type", since its frequency is the most numerous and is exactly the same type going back to the Honfoglalás."

Turanid type Hungarian girl

Hungarian woman belonging to the Alföldi type

2. Pamiri (pamiro-ferghana, Central Asian, a fluid type or Anatolian) type found in Pamir country, Tien-san, the Altai, Central Asia together with the Iranic lands. The racial type belongs to Kazakh inner-Asiatic and among the population of Carpathian Basin the origin is with Huns, Avars and partially with Árpád's Magyars. The Hungarians of the Alföld (Plains) are typically of this type, so-called "scraggy-faced peasants." Of the Carpathian Basin residents 10-15% are towards this type. The stature is larger than the previous type, the men are 170cm and over. The build is usually thin and lanky, the head relatively small. The occiput is usually flat, the face long, the nose projects considerably from the face as a rule is straight. The zygomatics are robustly built, the complexion color is dark. The hair is greasy, rough to the touch, individual strands are thin and abundant.

3. Taurid ("Caucausian") type originates partially from the Turk, partially the Scythian, Samartian- and Jász people; the Magyars and Huns from then on the Avar royals and via the early Honfoglalás Magyars 5-8% frequency is found, but among the Lesser Kumanians and around the Baja area 14% is present. The type is originated from Near Asia, the Caucasus, the old Mesopotamia and Persia, also the Iranic world. The porportions of the body are medium, the men's average height is 160-166 cm, but also substantially taller. The head is bracycephalic and large, the forehead of middle width, the occiput small and to a degree flat, the face of medium length, the zyomatics laterally a little protruding, downwards narrower, the nose is of medim thickness, large, convex and projects from the face strongly. The nasal root and nose bridge of medium width, the nasal tip is mostly curved, the eyes are small relatively, the large sized ears frequently protruding. The eye and hair color is dark brown - black, the skin swarthy brown, the hair strands are coarse, straight, notched, or a little crispy, the bodyhair strongly developed, the beard and the eyebrows abundant.

4. East Baltic or East European type is thereof Eastern European aboriginal origin, which the old Magyars, the Hungarians, then the Bulgars, the Kumanians and the Jász also brought. While it is not typical of the ancient Hungarians, the Ledvedian and legendary home territory the people of the folks, it originated by either through truly mixing or was original to the Magyar folk. Gyula Benczur portrayed the type "of the Magyars" and said these professionally inaccurate cliches: "neither blond, nor brown, the pale, dull-skinned Hungarian racial type." For that reason the "blunt" East-Baltic element was strongly mixed from the East. The build is squattish ("compact"), the men's average height historically was 163-165 cm, though often taller. The head of medium length, the face of medium width, oily but not homely laterally protruding zygomatics. The eyes on the face look small, but the eyesockets are comparatively in the large range. The skin complexion is transparent; the eyes greyish-blue ("water-colored"), the hair ash-blond,among children white-blond, the hair is notched stiff, coarse strands. The face in old age becomes wrinkled. Occurances of 8-10% are defined, but in Palócföld due to the Slavs' apparent mixture with them they have attained the 35% frequency. The East Baltic is a specific type or a variation of the Pontic type.

An East Baltic type Hungarian girl

Gyula Benczur portrays the East Baltic as typical "Hungarian man"

5. Uralic or Ugor type representative of the Finno-Ugrian people; the ancient origin is the area between the Ural and the Sayan mountians. As Hungarian primary sources occuring only of the 10th Century may substantiate, frequency anciently and now is 0,6%, which is endorsement that the Magyars likely via Finno-Ugrian culture formed territories, but ethnically not playing a part, and were formed by the native population; the search for the ancient Magyar homeland between the Finno-Ugrian folk is unscientific. Of the Hungarians there is a seldom frequency of "mongoloid" elements in attendance of the representative type.

The types above were "brought from the east" and the Carpathian Basin carries types found absolutely "throughout Europe": racially the cromagnonid, the Mediterranean, the Nordic, the Alpine, the Borreby, etc. types are all represented.


I'll translate the rest of it some other time. :)

Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Excellent post! Very informative :D

Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 02:59 PM
Great post, thanks for sharing with us!

Pontids are also present in Hungary. I do not think that there are that many Turanids in at least Northern Hungary.

I cannot understand what is meant by "The East Baltic is a specific type or a variation of the Pontic type." Could it perhaps be a geographical designation?

Most Hungarians have short, rather broad, concave noses, but a minority have long and narrow hooked noses, very narrow face, steep forehead, and at times with even greyish blonde hair, grey eyes, and planoccipital. The type seem Noric.

Another, more proto-morphic type that I observed is the one with a broad and low forehead (can appear extremely low from the side), orthognathous, strong cheekbones, heavy browridges, deep-set (often brown) eyes, strong chin, short stature and thick-set. That is probably the Borreby-like type of Coon, and could be the brachycephalic origin for the formation of the Dinarid type. They are more or less how Schwidetzky described the Kurgans. What confuse me is that some whom look as such have a very low vault, the vertex is clearly well back of the bregma.

JJ Diamond
Thursday, August 4th, 2005, 04:19 PM
good info on the Magyars, I Wrote a poem about the Magyars, i hope you enjoy it.


This story is about the Magyar Man
Ill try to tell it the best I can
The Magyar tribe came out of Mongolia a long time ago
High up in the mountains, giant caps of snow
They abandoned their village a quest for new land
Traveling in great numbers, an ancient band
Many a fierce warrior galloping on horseback
Plunging their spears as they attacked
Conquering Eastern Europe while on the run
Till nothing was left and their will be done
This ancient tribe settled in Hungary and made it their home
No longer do they conquer, no longer they roam
Now they're civilized and live a new way
Yet the great Magyar name is inscribed on
Postage and currency to this day
Im proud to tell you of a heratige and who I am
A decedent of a Magyar Man.


Friday, October 28th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Good post!
For the sake of being correct the majority of the images are from the
site of the hungarian anthropologist KISZELY ISTVÁN
A magyar nép őstörténete (Hungarin prehistory)
A magyar ember (The hungarian man)

It is in hungarian.

To quote the same anthropologist:

The anthropology searched the Hungarian old country by morphologic searches. The old country of the Hungarians have to be searched where people lived or even live like Hungarians. The Uyghur cementery at Astana near to the Jungar Gate revealed by Aurel Stein between 1913 and 1915 grounds for this, wherefrom 1200 graves were revealed by Uyghur and Chinese subsequently in 1986 AD. The in this cementary buried people were morphologically the same as those being settled in the Carpathian Basin as Hungarians. Demonstartive is the fact that Turanian, Pamirian and Taurid elements got into the Carpathian Basin by the Hungarians those are typical of the Turkish nations of Innermost Asia only, but occur nowhere else in Europe. Beside the morpholigical searches the physiological searches give lately information about the origin of a nation. Within the Landsteiner Bloodgroup System the rate of the typical Hungarian 0 and B bloodgroup gene (31,05% and 17,90%) is off from of the europid and Finno-Ugric nations, but ranges with the rates of the Innermost Asian Turkish nations. Beside of this occurs also an other kind of bloodgroup character among the Hungarians (e.g. the Diego [A+]) presented in no other nation of Europe. The in Europe almost unknown mongolic spot has 22,6% of occurrence and the also rarely occurring lactose intolerance (missing lactose digestive enzyme) is at 37% among the Hungarians racy of the soil, like in Innermost Asia. The skin splinter (bőrléc) system of the Hungarians has Innermost Asian characteristic (low bend rates, but high of wortexes). The Gm-marker searches pointed out, that among the Hungarians occurring Gm abst and Gm afb3 marked genemarkers miss by the European nations. The until now done international mitochondrial DNA searches have also Innermost Asian characters, showing our merge with other European nations, but our genetic non relationship with Finnish and Finno-Ugric nations also obvious. (Semino, Ornell ? Passarino, Giuseppe et al. Science. 10th November 2000.).

Hungarian Old county by KISZELY ISTVÁN
http://www.biography.ms/Hungarian_Old_Coun...an_Kiszely.html (http://www.biography.ms/Hungarian_Old_Country,_The-:_by_Dr._Istvan_Kiszely.html)

Thursday, December 22nd, 2005, 10:14 AM
good stuff.

Sunday, December 25th, 2005, 07:32 AM
That Alfoldi is just begging to be smacked in the mouth... She's taunting me!

Great post. I have relatives in Hungary who fit the more Germanic type, but that is because their ancestors moved their for business purposes.