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Friday, December 30th, 2005, 07:33 PM
Interesting link on the three weird sisters (http://wintersteel.homestead.com/Wyrd_Myths.html).

Lay of Fafnir verse 13:

Fafnir said:

From very different tribes I think the norns come,
they are not of the same kin;
Some are of the Aesir, some are of the elves,
some are the daughters of Dvalin.

Obviously if there are three groups of "somes," then there are more than three. Is this a later emendation? Christian influence maybe?

Actually, there's little information available on Norns. Most of the references seem to come from the Völuspá.

Micha F. Lindemans on Norns

In Norse mythology, the Norns are the demi-goddesses of destiny. They control the destinies of both gods and men, as well as the unchanging laws of the cosmos. They are represented as three sisters: Urd ("fate"), Verdandi ("necessity") and Skuld ("being"). They live at the base of the World Tree Yggdrasil in the realm of Asgard.

Nothing lasts forever, and even the mighty Yggdrasil is subject to decay. The Norns try to stop this process, or at least slow it down, by pouring mud and water from the Well of Fate over its branches. This magical liquid stops the rotting process for the time being.

In other myths, the Norns were thought to give assistance at birth, and that each person has his own personal Norn.

And Norns (http://www.geocities.com/luvtommy15/norn) for "fluffy Ásatrúar"... :speechles

Thursday, October 6th, 2016, 10:09 PM
The motif of weaving goddesses predicts the dawn and things celestial in an IE context rather than the chthonic roots of Yggdrasil, but there is a Slavic parallel unrelated to weaving. There are three Zorja in Slavic myth, daughters of Dazhbog, representing the journey of the sun. One of them is the morning star (morning Venus), the second is the evening star (Mercury or evening Venus) and the third goddess presides the darkness of midnight.

Together they prevent the escape of a hostile monster connected to a bear in the sky constellation (despite the popular information around, the precise constellation and nature of the doomsday being are uncertain). Given the symbolism of the three planets, Venus, Mercury and the Sun it becomes easy to speculate the Zorja as counterparts to the Parcae, Moirai and Norns as well as providing passage for the sun and preventing it for a demon.

The Zorja are wives of the moon god to whom they birth the stars: an old motif is that stars are human souls. Loosely this might relate to the weaving of human destinies by the Norns. Not Germanic but the Moirai were to Hesiod daughters of Nyx (night). Such connections suggest a connection between the Germanic and Classical three sisters and the Zorja.

Parmeneides' proem suggests a similar motif: "the daughters of the Sun made haste to escort me, having left the halls of Night for the light". The Germanic Norns then might be thought as women presiding the path of the Sun and the cycle of rebirth inferred from IE comparisons. Can this lead to speculations?

If Frigga is the "womb of Odhinn" the psychopomp then she is married to Mercury: Freyja, who is Venus, has a similar role, since she is a fertility goddess and receives the dead. Both these goddesses are easily confused by modern readers, to the extreme where many believe they always were the same. The solution is that the planets Mercury and Venus are similarly both morning and evening stars, and the journey of the sun required two gatekeepers. The confusion of today is probably rooted in an ancient inconsistency: both goddesses possessed similarities but were regarded as opposites presiding the journey of life and were related to different planets or times of day.
Hel is a strong contender for the sister representing midnight: yet the position of the darkness in the solar passage suggests the center implying a hearth goddess.
The jotunn Skadhi is a plausible candidate for the morning star. The dawn goddess has masculine attributes of inventiveness and martial function in various IE and Eurasian societies.

Monday, October 10th, 2016, 11:09 PM
One important difference is in the sources Freyja is independent and active whereas Frigg is in contrast passive and defined as a wife and mother, dispensing risk-averse advice to her husband Odhinn and avoiding conflict. This is a great difference between the two deities they are not functionally interchangeable as many believe.