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Loki
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 09:28 PM
I think and feel it is time for me to learn more about heathenist ways and interactions (other than the internet). Perhaps it is a good idea to join a practising organisation, and therefore socialise with like-minded people.

Hehe... last night I had a vivid dream of Odin calling me: "Come to Valhalla.. come to Valhalla... come to Valhalla!.." ;)

Any suggestions? Perhaps the Odinic Rite (http://www.odinic-rite.org/)? Or are there alternative, or better networks?

Arcturus
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Hehe... last night I had a vivid dream of Odin calling me: "Come to Valhalla.. come to Valhalla... come to Valhalla!.." ;)

Wow, that's advertising (http://www.yelp.com/biz/aBlpVr5ZaYw2Y7kI4lyLZw)taken to a whole new level... :D

Blutw÷lfin
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 09:38 PM
... or the English Heathen Front (http://heathenfront.org/ehf/). Just stay away from New Age Heathen Groups groups which are very easy to identify for all members give themselves new nordic names like "Thorleif O­Ýnnsson" and "Solveig Grettirsdˇttir".

Loki
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 10:07 PM
... or the English Heathen Front (http://heathenfront.org/ehf/). Just stay away from New Age Heathen Groups groups which are very easy to identify for all members give themselves new nordic names like "Thorleif O­Ýnnsson" and "Solveig Grettirsdˇttir".

Thanks. Another thing I am weary of is groups who have incorporated certain ideas and/or hierarchical structures borrowed from Christianity. I guess I'll look around and meet people, and decide from there what to do.

brian
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 04:54 PM
... or the English Heathen Front. Just stay away from New Age Heathen Groups groups which are very easy to identify for all members give themselves new nordic names like "Thorleif O­Ýnnsson" and "Solveig Grettirsdˇttir".

I would only join an organization that:

- doesn't view Heathenism as a political statement (quite particularly a leftist to extreme leftist one, and also one with particularly racist ideologies attached to it);
- doesn't view Heathenism as a contrast to Christianity (posing Christianity as the greatest of all evils in the world);
- doesn't approach Heathenism as a "personal religious choice", reducing it to mere inidividual religious choices;
- doesn't make its members look like New Age types, desperate for "other spiritual paths."

Essentially put, this said organization should not make it like a consumer product. I don't think any of them are, but I'd prefer to make that point.

Now, I say all of this after reading some of these posts: http://www.irminsul.org/ir/irpoll03.html

For what it is worth, if the day comes when I start Heathen rites, if someone asks me my religion, I am going to say Lutheran (because I am, as my mum and pop are, as my grandfather and grandmother were on both sides, and so on and so on.)

[I hope this post didn't sound too angry! :)]

Freydis
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 05:59 PM
The AHF is pretty good... I like heathen folk (I guess since I know the founder...) but it hasn't really developed into an "orginization yet"

www.heathenfolk.net

Blutw÷lfin
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Found a website which looks kind of interesting. I don't know anything about it except what I read on that side - but this, I liked very much.

Have a look yourself here (http://www.arktion.org/).

Siegfried
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Found a website which looks kind of interesting. I don't know anything about it except what I read on that side - but this, I liked very much.

Have a look yourself here (http://www.arktion.org/).

A lot of it looks good and promising, but some other things threw me off. Examples:


Is there any race/ethnic restriction? No, absolutely not. Anyone of any race at all can join.


Do I have to be a Pagan/Heathen? Not necessarily. People can join no matter what their faith, or path or belief. However, you need to be aware of our Ethos and Articles and feel assured that this does not create a problem for you.

jcs
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Another thing I am weary of is groups who have incorporated certain ideas and/or hierarchical structures borrowed from Christianity.
Catholics (and Eastern Orthodox, to a lesser degree) borrowed their hierarchy from the Romans, and Protestantism is just bastardized Catholicism (twice-bastardized Roman-ism :P )

The Odinic Rite and the HeathenFront are two of the best organizations. The OR is more active, especially in England. I myself prefer the AHF's 'Odalist' worldview.

Rehnski÷ld
Tuesday, December 20th, 2005, 08:09 PM
I would only join an organization that:

- doesn't view Heathenism as a political statement (quite particularly a leftist to extreme leftist one, and also one with particularly racist ideologies attached to it);- doesn't view Heathenism as a contrast to Christianity (posing Christianity as the greatest of all evils in the world);- doesn't approach Heathenism as a "personal religious choice", reducing it to mere inidividual religious choices;
- doesn't make its members look like New Age types, desperate for "other spiritual paths."

So rather than a organization that's "racist" you would become member in one that welcomes non-ethnic europeans?

Also,how would heathen organizations view christianity you reckon?

brian
Tuesday, December 20th, 2005, 08:32 PM
So rather than a organization that's "racist" you would become member in one that welcomes non-ethnic europeans?

Also,how would heathen organizations view christianity you reckon?

For the first, I did not think that having an opinion related to associating with your own folk is an expression of racism. But, to be fair, let me edit that statement by saying that I refer to any group that expresses both hatred towards others and self-superiority. Even if I did express those views, I don't think it would help my public life that much. I hope this is clearer.

The second question, I'd rather it be indifferent to it. I am not in the business of condemning religions. I don't feel even qualified to criticize it other than the surface features that I am aware of.

Death and the Sun
Sunday, December 25th, 2005, 05:38 PM
Any suggestions? Perhaps the Odinic Rite (http://www.odinic-rite.org/)? Or are there alternative, or better networks?

I am not a Heathenist nor do I live in England, but I have heard some extermely flattering comments on this group, from people whose judgment I respect. I think you should check it out at the very least.

If I am not completely mistaken, they are also (unofficially) affiliated with the BNP in some way.

beowulf wodenson
Tuesday, December 27th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Being a Vinlander, I know little about good Heathen orgs in Europe, but here the Asatru Alliance and Asatru Folk Assembly I would recommend, they are basically Folkish alliances of kindreds.
My own kindred is independent but has participated in AFA moots and Things.
The Odinic Rite also has a presence in the North and Canada to the best of my knowledge.
Avoid the 'Troth'-type organizations, they are avowedly universalist and more 'New Age'-like.

Sigrid
Tuesday, December 27th, 2005, 05:43 PM
The best way to find out where you don't belong is to belong to something first. Most orgs don't mind if you just poke around and see how you feel for a few months. You will very soon find out what you can tolerate and what you are dead set against. And you may encounter certain people you can't live with. Some of the the things they believe and do may offend you to the point that you decide to leave.

Your own honour is the most important issue. The Havamal advises that if you see evil speak out and give no quarter to your enemies. What and who you find or see in any org may not amount to anything as bad as an enemy but it may make you unhappy and this may increase until you feel really horrible. Get out. It's as easy as that. Each has his and her own right to exist and you have the right to choose.

The best thing to do is to first establish within yourself the religion and relationship with that spirituality that you know is yours alone. Then, if you think it's necessary, join a group. But hold your own soul above anything you may see or hear. True religion is the relationship that exists between you and whatever you connect with in a certain context. The folk are not part fo your religion, they are part of your reality and we accept all sorts in any normal social group. But if you join a specifically religious org be careful of what may lay behind it or within it. All are not always what they seem.

I have found that a few good friends in the chosen faith are often the best you can have. In fact, to me, across the world, they have proven to be priceless.

Loki
Wednesday, December 28th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Let`s get occupied territories back from Russia

Seppo Lehto http://www.kavkaz.fi

I fear you are missing the point. The real, present danger everywhere in Europe is multiculturalism, which is threatening to destroy the very fabric of society... not pre-WW2 borders.

Sigrid
Wednesday, December 28th, 2005, 06:41 PM
I think and feel it is time for me to learn more about heathenist ways and interactions (other than the internet). Perhaps it is a good idea to join a practising organisation, and therefore socialise with like-minded people.

Hehe... last night I had a vivid dream of Odin calling me: "Come to Valhalla.. come to Valhalla... come to Valhalla!.." ;)

Any suggestions? Perhaps the Odinic Rite (http://www.odinic-rite.org/)? Or are there alternative, or better networks?

Loki, it is obvious that Odin is calling you and that the thing to do before you get involved in the nasty goo that is human interaction on a religious or cultural level (or any other level, humans are not my favourite wights) is to seek in yourself the mystery of Ansuz, the runic voice of a god that called you. That you can only find in your own individual answer to that very personal call. :D

Loki
Wednesday, December 28th, 2005, 06:45 PM
Loki, it is obvious that Odin is calling you and that the thing to do before you get involved in the nasty goo that is human interaction on a religious or cultural level (or any other level, humans are not my favourite wights) is to seek in yourself the mystery of Ansuz, the runic voice of a god that called you. That you can only find in your own individual answer to that very personal call. :D

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Thanks Silver Falcon. I shall endeavour to follow this path.... :coffee:

White Iceland
Wednesday, December 28th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Found a website which looks kind of interesting. I don't know anything about it except what I read on that side - but this, I liked very much.

Have a look yourself here (http://www.arktion.org/).

The Arktion Federation is certainly worth a look. The race/faith disclaimer featured was thrown up in the last few years just to avoid controversy, but in reality, I don't see anyone who isn't white and heathen following their studies with much interest for long.

Their group OJB Order of the Jarls of Baelder is highly respected. I believe they are most active in UK, but their publications are unique and thought provoking. Stephen Cox contributed articles to the notorious White Order of Thule, which to some is a badge of honor.

Sigrid
Thursday, December 29th, 2005, 01:35 AM
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Thanks Silver Falcon. I shall endeavour to follow this path.... :coffee:

Good idea. Because if you don't it may follow you ...:white_gb:

Sigurd
Friday, December 30th, 2005, 01:03 AM
OR is as far as I am aware of the longest-standing org out there without break in its existence (since 1973), very stable, well organised, with lots of good folk and being a member, in any case, I can only recommend it.

AA and AFA are well-reputed, but, in any case, apply more to Vinlanders.