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SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 01:36 AM
(...an off-shoot of the "insular communities (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=75330)" thread)

I am prepared to make the transition from theory to application in the case of "insular communties". I will be appreciative of any practical ideas that a member wishes to add to this thread.

The factors I am pondering at the moment are: location, size, cost, and the avoidance of restrictive-legislation. I may chose to create a web-page on this subject later. :)

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 01:42 AM
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/gsapp/projs/call-it-home/html/images/a-039.gif This is a photograph of a experimental neighborhood created entirely from "pre-fabricated" housing. There are more elegant "prefab" houses available, and the size of the community in the photograph is, perhaps, a bit larger than I am planning.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 02:02 AM
I am currently researching the efficiency of pentagonal fortifications. There are numerous examples of the pentagon in both modern (http://www.photography-plus.com/images/Pentagon.jpg) and antiquated (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Fortbourtange.jpg) military structures. This development will likely be unnecessary, but I feel it deserves further study for reasons apparent, such as an (un)expected political change.

The Pentagon:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Geom_pentagon.png

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 02:15 AM
The use of small-scale entrepreneurship as a means of supplementing the potential capital required for the upkeep of a small-community may prove to be of vital importance.

I am particularly interested in mail-order businesses, agricultural specialization, Internet hosting, and any other business that might be deemed both "secure" and easily-adaptable.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 02:25 AM
I am interested in legislation, and perhaps the "loop-holes" with in it that would increase the possible autonomy of an established community. This post by lei.talk, particularly, caught my attention:

[...]

"Aside from a long term vision, it is possible and preferable that any eugenics community that is based on racial separatism, shroud themselves in discretion as Galton advised, and establish themselves within a religious community. I am no legal expert on the separation of church and state, but a religious community seems like the best way to form a racial community without running into legal problems. Religious organizations have many tax and legal advantages, as well as being allowed to establish doctrine without state intervention. As long as the eugenic religious group does not provoke others, they should be able to go about practicing eugenics very effectively just as Galton advised. I am somewhat disappointed that we have not been able to establish any eugenic groups as yet based on Galton's advice, but many are trying to promote the idea and get one formed, somewhere, somehow..."

[...]

from: http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/QA.htm

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 02:37 AM
"Orania" caught my attention as being a fine example of a geographically-secluded and ethnically-homogenous community. There is a focus upon self-reliability and stability, which I seek to emulate:


...[Orania (http://www.orania.co.za/default_eng.asp)]...

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 02:48 AM
The multiplication of similar-communities is a long-term goal. The cooperation of these communities would constitute the foundation of future political-power. It would be in our favor, I believe, to encourage these communities to concentrate geographically and later establish democratic bodies that would collaborate on political issues.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 03:02 AM
I have been pondering the notion of "shared-ownership" as means to provide the benefits of a township and, perhaps, avoid the detrimental effects that might accompany that designation. The encorporation of the community might also be in our favor.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 03:13 AM
The acquisition and stability of the "basic necessities" is obviously essential to the well-being of a community. Septic-tanks can be used for sewage; a complex system of water-pumps might be used for a clean supply of drinking water. It will be to our benefit to be located in close proximity to a water source, perhaps a small river, but consequently might increase the cost of the land in question.

Foodstuffs can be easily derived from local towns, perhaps at the buyer's discretion, and other means might be agreed upon to increase the stability or quality of the food-supply to the community.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, December 13th, 2005, 03:21 AM
I would like to include in this planned-community several civic facilities that I consider to be important. This is dependent upon the size of the community, but I feel that a pool, a library, and parks would both increase the "livability" of the community and it's attractiveness to would-be inhabitants.

SouthernBoy
Wednesday, December 14th, 2005, 02:13 AM
This community-building simulation may be of interest to some members: "The Forgotten Americans: Build Your Own Community (http://www.pbs.org/klru/forgottenamericans/buildcomm/community.htm#)" :)

brian
Wednesday, December 14th, 2005, 03:05 PM
The cost angle of a project of this dimension would be a little high, unless you can find a dedicated group of people who plan to live in the community to knock out labour costs. I can relate a bit to the cost, since it was my brother and I who put an investment in a building that needed to be completely renovated. I don't suppose that the cost will be the same in rural areas, but it will still be an expense.

I think the Orania approach was quite valid - buildings were already framed up, infrastructure already established. All they needed to do was tidy up the place.


The multiplication of similar-communities is a long-term goal. The cooperation of these communities would constitute the foundation of future political-power. It would be in our favor, I believe, to encourage these communities to concentrate geographically and later establish democratic bodies that would collaborate on political issues.

I would certainly be in favor of that concept. Communities also need to be in close proximity to transportation, whether it be highways, airports, etc. to commence trade.


I am particularly interested in mail-order businesses, agricultural specialization, Internet hosting, and any other business that might be deemed both "secure" and easily-adaptable.

This reminds me of Sealand. Didn't/Aren't they do Internet hosting? I think that high-tech communities can benefit, particularly in businesses offering certain IT services, such as companies are presently doing in India.

othala
Friday, December 16th, 2005, 03:28 AM
Another idea may be to locate a town that is "dying" and move there in sufficient numbers to run the town. This situation is occuring throught the mid-west and I have had personal experience with it in northern Maine. There was even a town in northern New Jersey that was undergoing the same situation. Basically, the population is aging and there is not enough people left to keep the town incorporated, so a lot of towns revert back to state control. The benefits are that the infrastructure is already there. The downside is that it takes cooperation, and I am too cynical to believe that that is possible right now.

lei.talk
Sunday, January 8th, 2006, 05:01 AM
"it is as if god had lifted the east coast
and shaken it:
all of the fruits, nuts and flakes
ended up in california
and became the grainola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granola) generation."

after experiencing the californian
endless summer of love (http://www.summeroflove.org/sol.html),
many of these immigrants realised
their spouse had been selected
from an extremely limited pool.

the "no-fault" divorce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fault_divorce) became acceptable.

how to do your own divorce (http://www.nolotech.com/CA/dyod.html) became a best seller
in my store.
women's groups purchased them in volume.

following the trend
initiated by how to profit by setting up your own corporation (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0767902254/104-1873986-7432701?v=glance&n=283155),
nolo press carried it a step further (http://www.nolo.com/resource.cfm/catID/CE94A6B3-EFB6-4036-8498D5414328FD73/111/262/).

a co-ed ásatrú religious community (monastery/church),
properly organised as an association sans but lucratif (http://www.irs.gov/charities/churches/index.html),
would be legally unassailable
and tax-free
(as would be all of the church's "not-for-profit" enterprises (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uppsala_%C3%B6d))
in the united states.

i do not know what the regulations are
in other countries.

have a wood-worker carve your pillar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irminsul).
http://www.forums.skadi.net/image.php?u=834&dateline=1136435241 (http://www.irminenschaft.net/Irminentsul.htm)
install it in the courtyard with the three statues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_at_Uppsala#Adam_of_Bremen)
and your ash tree.
hold your meetings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_%28assembly%29) and blóts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%B3t)
(your annual disting should be staffed
by the society for creative anachronism (http://www.sca.org/newcomers.html)).

with this cash-flow,
you should be able to replicate these communities.

Arkwright
Tuesday, January 17th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Self-sustainable communities are indeed the way to go, specially in United States. In scandinavia, a political change trough the system might be possible in long run, as unprobaple it sounds. When TSHTF knowledge of strongholds becomes very valuable. I see formation of such communities for example in southern Sweden very useful. Immigration of white people from overpopulated parts of Europe would be easy.
Also communities should be structured so that there are groups with different idelogical stands supporting eachother. Aim is that those fleeing the crises and wars for work can immigrante to communities that they can relate to. For example conservative - liberal, christian - pagan, so that those who have strict values of life won't get too uncomfortable. Probaply communities would also be divided by languages.

I wonder what would be useful products for communities to produce in post-oilpeak world? refitting current cars to electric ones? :)

lei.talk
Tuesday, January 17th, 2006, 07:59 PM
those are important considerations
that definitely should be integrated
in to the over-all plan.
I wonder what would be useful products
for communities to produce
in post-oilpeak world?
refitting current cars to electric ones? :)after we have wrung every drop of petroleum
from the planetary crust,
the "oil age" need not be over (http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=110576#post110576).

Arkwright
Wednesday, January 18th, 2006, 11:26 PM
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic8366-0.html

Worthwhile discussion about local/complementary currencies. I can see our communities sharing common currency as a good protective step.
What I think we should aim for here is, well naturally create communities, but gather and distribute a good how-to databank for forming such. "Idiots guide to creating self sufficient communities and managing them" It would need to be easy to variate for different needs/groups and hopefully have good amount of examples. So that there is ready high-quality free resource available for masses when reality shows its ugly end.

Blutwölfin
Wednesday, January 18th, 2006, 11:43 PM
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Thank you.
BW

fog
Saturday, January 21st, 2006, 02:48 AM
The factors I am pondering at the moment are: location, size, cost, and the avoidance of restrictive-legislation. I vote for a Nordicist fishing community on an island in Alaska.

brian
Saturday, January 21st, 2006, 04:11 AM
I vote for a Nordicist fishing community on an island in Alaska.

Also, if it has rich fertile soil, and can support livestock. Does it exist up there?

fog
Saturday, January 21st, 2006, 03:48 PM
Also, if it has rich fertile soil, and can support livestock. Does it exist up there? I am not sure.

Clearly there are many islands with little to no populations, and I have heard that the fishermen make good money.

The Aleutian islands are very beautiful, and they appear viable. As you can see on the map, there are many other islands to the north or east of them as well; it looks like there are many along the thin strip bordering British Columbia, and at least a few in every region of the state.

I do not really know much at all about Alaska, but it seems like the logical location since we always idolize the North.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_islands



The growing season lasts about 135 days, from early in May till late in September, but agriculture is limited to the raising of a few vegetables. With the exception of some stunted willows (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Willow), the islands are practically destitute of trees, but are covered with a luxuriant growth of herbage, including grasses (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Poaceae), sedges (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Sedge) and many flowering plants. On the less mountainous islands, the raising of sheep (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Domestic_sheep) and reindeer (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Reindeer) was believed to be practicable.


The only problem I have found is that much of Alaska is a wildlife refuge.

http://alaska.fws.gov/nwr/akmar/wildlife-wildlands/wildlands/biosphere.htm
http://alaska.fws.gov/nwr/akmar/wildlands.htm

I am not sure how restrictive or expansive the refuge is, because at least one of the islands is developed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unalaska%2C_Alaska



Unalaska is a small city on Unalaska Island (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Unalaska_Island) in the Aleutian Islands (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Aleutian_Islands), off the coast of the U.S. (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/United_States) state of Alaska (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Alaska). As of the 2000 (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/2000) census, the population of the city is 4,283. The port area is on neighboring Amaknak Island (http://www.skadi.net/wiki/Amaknak_Island) and is known as Dutch Harbor. Dutch Harbor is within the city limits of Unalaska and is connected to Unalaska by a bridge.


The port of Unalaska/Dutch Harbor has been the largest fisheries port in the United States, in terms of volume of fish caught, for nearly every year since 1981.
Looking through a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aleutian_Islands , it appears that most of the islands have are uninhabited.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/National-atlas-alaska.png

Slĺ ring om Norge
Thursday, March 2nd, 2006, 10:29 AM
No phantasmagorias, just real estate...

All we need is a capitalist or four. The idealists, we have. To the case:

The Norwegian Army is selling out bases and I am in touch with their agents.
In December/January Nes Fort by Lřdingen in Norway was sold for 10,5 mill Nok. The bid of our group was 9,5.

http://www.skifte.no/Eiendomsprosjekter/Nes%20fort%20prosjekt/index_html

A great advantage for the new owners are that the local community has been partially economical dependent on the activities of the base, so they are very welcome, and the communes are eager to cooperate, to make the wheels go round for all.

The fort have a building mass of 12 000 square meters, land areas, deepwater quay, and a beutiful island at 47 square km. Accomodations for 400 persons, garages, workshops, stores, huts. It is sold.

There are other projects. Larger and smaller. Those I like to discuss with a thinktank of capitalists and idealists, we keep the cards a little close...

The possibilities with such a property, is forexaple to establish a community based on our axioms in Skadi. The bases always lays at some distance from other houses, and in beautiful and clean nature, and there usually follows rights to fishing and hunting with.

Income can come from courses, web related labor, arts and crafts, workshops, fishing , hunting. Remember there are rooms for hundres and thousands of privates and officers. Could be a cultural holiday/course community for norse inspired from the whole world. And it is in Sagaland...( a good name, S.)

We have a wide net of connections, so we could probably fill up with paying guests soon enough. We need no PR, we got it all free. Many would also love to work there on a idealistic basic just to be there. A bowl of rice and a blanket, uknow...:D . Joking. We make the area threadless online, and we have a free propaganda machinery.

Theres some other interesting projects coming up. If any of you capitalists are interested, send me a bill... The unemployed idealists can`t wait...: Found raising is also an interesting topic.