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Loki
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 10:27 AM
I have done no such thing, but I'm sure you're aware of the overt irony of his opinions.

The irony of the matter is that you call people "racial impostors", yet no-one have had the privilege of seeing your picture yet. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it that you're a tall, dolichocephalic, blue-eyed blond Nordic superman. :P

The Blond Beast
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 02:44 AM
I guess we'll just have to take your word for it that you're a tall, dolichocephalic, blue-eyed blond Nordic superman. :P

You summed it up perfectly:
Height: 6'1"
CI: 76
Eyes: Light Blue/Grey
Hair: Medium/Dark Blond

;)

Awar
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 03:45 AM
The sixth guy got my vote too :)

Anyway, we all know who's the most 'Nordish' Montenegrin here :rotfl

Loki
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 07:11 AM
The sixth guy got my vote too :)

Anyway, we all know who's the most 'Nordish' Montenegrin here :rotfl

AWAR, I think there is a definite possibility that you might be more Nordic than all three of them. ;)

Evolved
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 08:25 AM
Trønder! Like myself he has a portion of the fierce Arctic blood of noble Sámi warriors. :)

Awar
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 10:30 AM
Aren't you 100% Indo-European?

@Loki: this nordic 'thing' has become a fetishism, and I'm glad that I'm not infected with it. I'm very proud of what I am, and my roots, and everyone else should be also,
no matter if they're Ladogans or Iranians.

Loki
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Trønder! Like myself he has a portion of the fierce Arctic blood of noble Sámi warriors. :)


Trønder has Sámi heritage? Now that is news to me... must be what he is referring to as his "Scandinavian" ancestry. :P

Also explains why this super-Nord doesn't want to share his lovely countenance with us... :|

EDIT: add a healthy amount of Turkic/Turanid Ukrainian blood to the racial ingredients, and you have our beloved Trønder! :D A fine example of a Nord who criticizes racially purer Mediterraneans of their alleged non-European genes. Truly, this same "Trønder" (misnomer?) is the fiercest anti-Med I have met online... LOL!! :dfu

galvez
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Trønder has Sámi heritage? Now that is news to me... must be what he is referring to as his "Scandinavian" ancestry. :P

Also explains why this super-Nord doesn't want to share his lovely countenance with us... :|

The last thing we need is more Arthur Kemps. :ape :rotfl

galvez
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 07:26 PM
A fine example of a Nord who criticizes racially purer Mediterraneans of their alleged non-European genes. Truly, this same "Trønder" (misnomer?) is the fiercest anti-Med I have met online... LOL!! :dfu

I suspect a lot of the racialism expressed online -- intraracial and interracial -- is the result of individuals wanting to boost themselves by putting others down. I suspect "Nordishism," for some (not all), is an attempt to be a part of an exclusive group based not on talent but phenotype. Phenotype! What you are born with. Thus, the lowliest person -- like the young, blond-haired panhandler I saw recently -- automatically becomes "superior."

Tore
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Trønder has Sámi heritage? Now that is news to me... must be what he is referring to as his "Scandinavian" ancestry

It is certainly a possibility taking into account the location by which my Norwegian ancestors hailed from.


Also explains why this super-Nord doesn't want to share his lovely countenance with us...

Perhaps I shall attach a mysteriously vague and obscure photo of poor digital quality to my avatar.


EDIT: add a healthy amount of Turkic/Turanid Ukrainian blood to the racial ingredients, and you have our beloved Trønder!

Unlike yourself, my Ukrainian ancestors show no signs of central Asian or Near Eastern (in your case) admixture.


A fine example of a Nord who criticizes racially purer Mediterraneans of their alleged non-European genes.

Pure Mediterraneans; dark-eyed, convexed nose "Nordish" Northern Europeans...

What's the difference?


Truly, this same "Trønder" (misnomer?) is the fiercest anti-Med I have met online... LOL!!

I wouldn't call it a misnomer.

It represents my racial type to an extent (although I am admittedly a Trønder/East Baltic intermediate type as I have said earlier).

Loki
Monday, January 26th, 2004, 08:31 PM
It represents my racial type to an extent (although I am admittedly a Trønder/East Baltic intermediate type as I have said earlier).

I have strong doubts....

It is very easy to accept an own racial category if there is no-one to verify and scrutinize your claim.

I suggest therefore that before you again call Mediterraneans "mongels" or Northern Europeans "Capoids" or "Jews", you present your own picture for fairness' sake.

galvez
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Pure Mediterraneans; dark-eyed, convexed nose "Nordish" Northern Europeans...

Huh? Are you trying to say something about Mediterraneans? "Nordish" is a vague term, by the way. :retard

Tore
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 12:47 AM
It is very easy to accept an own racial category if there is no-one to verify and scrutinize your claim.

Point well taken.


I suggest therefore that before you again call Mediterraneans "mongels" or Northern Europeans "Capoids" or "Jews", you present your own picture for fairness' sake.

To be fair, I never used such terms as adjectives to describe the afforementioned groups.


Huh? Are you trying to say something about Mediterraneans?

No, it relates back to a discussion on a separate forum.


"Nordish" is a vague term, by the way.

Hence the quotations.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 12:51 AM
I voted for the Blond Beast. It felt like the natural thing to do.

The Blond Beast
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 05:52 AM
AWAR, I think there is a definite possibility that you might be more Nordic than all three of them. ;)

This wouldn't be your perpetual jealousy, Loki, would it?

I have what you don't have: direct Scandinavian Germanic ancestry. Apparently, its eating away at you.

I guess you're just a bitter phony from the Low Countries. ;)

Evolved
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 06:02 AM
While you guys argue about who is the most Nordic, a saucy Serb Dinarid gets all the female attention. ;)

Razmig
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 07:30 AM
and i was ridiculed about my poll...*runs away while sobbing*
hail to #6, for he is worthy, the most nordish of all *bows sarcastically*

Loki
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 07:49 AM
To be fair, I never used such terms as adjectives to describe the afforementioned groups.

To be fair, you have frequently used such adjectives to "describe" members of the afforementioned groups. I know you are only 17 years old (18 now?) but don't play smart boy with me, Mr Lapp. All this time you have masqueraded as a "Norwegian Tronder" on racial forums, and it turns out you are actually Saami. You always struck me as someone with an odd and bitchy attitude, but now I can understand your deep hatred of anything Germanic/Irish/Nordic, and subsequent bitterness. And the only way out for you is to throw personal slurs at people to make you feel better. :|

Loki
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 07:52 AM
This wouldn't be your perpetual jealousy, Loki, would it?

Jealous of an anonymous internet avatar? Where is your pic, so I can see if I want to be jealous or not??


I have what you don't have: direct Scandinavian Germanic ancestry. Apparently, its eating away at you.

Seems you haven't paid close enough attention. I have direct ancestry from Jutland, Denmark.

norda
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 08:05 AM
While you guys argue about who is the most Nordic, a saucy Serb Dinarid gets all the female attention. ;)
Oh Ladygoeth don't you understand it?
An annual Lokis Nordic Award is awaiting a skadi leader who does most to implement the Germanic Slavic concord. And maybe someone will get lucky and win in competition with Dueutschen who are always receiving this Honorary Award! :D

Loki
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 08:09 AM
Oh Ladygoeth don't you understand it?
An annual Lokis Nordic Award is awaiting a skadi leader who does most to implement the Germanic Slavic concord. And maybe someone will get lucky and win in competition with Dueutschen who are always receiving this Honorary Award! :D

:)

The thing is norda, I just find it priceless and ironic that a Saami/Black Sea Turk was the greatest proponent of "Nordic purity" on these forums, insulting Mediterraneans and Germanics on a personal level left, right and centre.... and he thought no-one would notice.

The Blond Beast
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 08:12 AM
Seems you haven't paid close enough attention. I have direct ancestry from Jutland, Denmark.

I'm very proud of you!

Pomor
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 02:41 PM
:)

The thing is norda, I just find it priceless and ironic that a Saami/Black Sea Turk was the greatest proponent of "Nordic purity" on these forums, insulting Mediterraneans and Germanics on a personal level left, right and centre.... and he thought no-one would notice.

As I understand Troender doesn't have a confirmed Lapp ancestry, as he said it might be a possibility considering where his Norwegian ancestors are from, he described his phenotype as Troender/Baltid, not Saami/Turk. He is a blonde, blue-eyed Nordic.

Evolved
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 04:02 PM
I always understood Trønder to be part Sámi. He said so on Stormfront if I'm not mistaken. Keep in mind people can learn much over the course of a year. :)

Ah, yes, here it is..


I believe I'm 1/32 Lapp, but I'm not sure. The weird thing is, my Norwegian Grandpa looks like the archetypal Tronder type, so I'm somewhat confused about my origins. I have reason to believe I'm part Lapp do to my features. Small, deep set eyes, small nose, short stature. As a whole, I have skin that cannot skin and freckles easily, dark blue eyes similar to those found in Western Norway and Ireland ( Brunn origins), and fine light brown hair/sandy hair, as well as being very large boned. My forehead is long, and my cheeks are chubby. I'm not quite fully developed in terms of appearance, so I'm not quite sure if my infantile appearance can be attributed to partial Lapp heritage or simply my age.

[SOURCE (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=280995&postcount=51)]

Trønder (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=282201&postcount=60) is 5'6" tall. Short and sweet, like yours truly. :cheekkiss :)

The Blond Beast
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 04:09 PM
And this putative 3.125% Saami heritage has apparently coloured his phenotype so greatly? I doubt it...

Tore
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 04:54 PM
To be fair, you have frequently used such adjectives to "describe" members of the afforementioned groups.

Source(s)?


I know you are only 17 years old (18 now?) but don't play smart boy with me, Mr Lapp.

18.


All this time you have masqueraded as a "Norwegian Tronder" on racial forums, and it turns out you are actually Saami.

Incorrect.


You always struck me as someone with an odd and bitchy attitude, but now I can understand your deep hatred of anything Germanic/Irish/Nordic, and subsequent bitterness.

I appreciate how you separated "Irish" from "Nordic", indicating that the two don't belong to one another.

I knew accuracy would eventually be becoming of yourself.


And the only way out for you is to throw personal slurs at people to make you feel better.

Yeah, you *never* do that.


Trønder is 5'6" tall.

Not anymore I'm afraid.

That post was written over a year ago, and I have hit my inevitable growth spurt since that time.

I am 5'9 and 145 lbs.

Still short and "small", yet I am still growing.


I always understood Trønder to be part Sámi. He said so on Stormfront if I'm not mistaken. Keep in mind people can learn much over the course of a year.

Seems the product was the neoteny.

I have aged and my features have matured since that time (although I still look surprisingly young).


He is a blonde, blue-eyed Nordic.

It is more of light-brown/sandy colouration to be perfectly correct, although some have described it as blond.

And, yes, unlike the overwhelming majority of the Skadi staff, I am blue-eyed.;)

Loki
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 07:00 PM
I have reason to believe I'm part Lapp do to my features. Small, deep set eyes, small nose, short stature.

Do you ascribe your alleged "Trønder" phenotype to these particular features? Perhaps time for a handle name change? I will assist with pleasure! :D



Trønder (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=282201&postcount=60) is 5'6" tall. Short and sweet, like yours truly. :cheekkiss :)

Brilliant investigation work, ladygoeth33! :thumbsup

Yeah, I don't blame you for loving "Trønder" - after all, he is a "hot little bundle of sexual energy".... awwww :AWW :lol

Scáthach
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 08:24 PM
I picked ''who cares?'' and failed to give rep points to AWAR's first post because i have to ''spread it around'' ;)

galvez
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 09:11 PM
The thing is norda, I just find it priceless and ironic that a Saami/Black Sea Turk was the greatest proponent of "Nordic purity" on these forums, insulting Mediterraneans and Germanics on a personal level left, right and centre.... and he thought no-one would notice.

That's OK, us Meds will buy him a little platform so that he can look at us eye to eye. :chinese

Razmig
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 11:22 PM
That's OK, us Meds will buy him a little platform so that he can look at us eye to eye. :chinese
:bravo :clap :lol :jeer :giggle :stupid

Nordhammer
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 02:54 AM
I suspect a lot of the racialism expressed online -- intraracial and interracial -- is the result of individuals wanting to boost themselves by putting others down. I suspect "Nordishism," for some (not all), is an attempt to be a part of an exclusive group based not on talent but phenotype. Phenotype! What you are born with. Thus, the lowliest person -- like the young, blond-haired panhandler I saw recently -- automatically becomes "superior."

Well, you finally figured it out, galvez! Racialism is about belonging exclusively to a racial group, based on your ancestral race! I don't care what anyone says, you're a smart guy.

Tore
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 03:43 AM
Do you ascribe your alleged "Trønder" phenotype to these particular features?

No, I ascribe them to my Trønder/East Baltic phenotype, hence the information seen on my profile, which has existed ever since sub-race became incorporated biographical information here on Skadi.

Gender:
Male
Meta-Ethnicity:
Other
Subrace:
Other
Biography:
17/M Corded type with East Baltic admixture (or vice versa)


Perhaps time for a handle name change? I will assist with pleasure!

Change it to Tore, please.

Razmig
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 07:31 AM
No, I ascribe them to my Trønder/East Baltic phenotype, hence the information seen on my profile, which has existed ever since sub-race became incorporated biographical information here on Skadi.

Gender:
Male
Meta-Ethnicity:
Other
Subrace:
Other
Biography:
17/M Corded type with East Baltic admixture (or vice versa)



Change it to Tore, please.
Perhaps its time that we evaluate your phoentype to properly assure your true identity? Post a picture...it's not that hard to do (buy a 99 cent disposible, go to a supermarket, and scan it, email it to yourself). I would have figured all big talkers would have done this by now.

Loki
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 07:48 AM
No, I ascribe them to my Trønder/East Baltic phenotype

The phenotype you described yourself by is not Trønder. Trønder is a very Nordid type, differing only slightly from Hallstatt, and accounting for a large part of northern Sweden and Norway's population. They look different from you (except in far northern Sweden/Norway, where Lappinoid admixture kicks in). :D


Change it to Tore, please.

Done ;)

I would have complained about the flag, but you're right - Finnmark is politically part of Norway. ;)

Pomor
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 07:59 AM
How do you know he looks different if you never saw his pic? Anyway, Loki, you left our forum for some members being supposedly rude and you are doing exactly the same thing yourself.

Loki
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 08:10 AM
How do you know he looks different if you never saw his pic?

I assessed him according to his own description. See LG's post.


Anyway, Loki, you left our forum for some members being supposedly rude and you are doing exactly the same thing yourself.

Yeah, and I never saw you complaining about that there...

Pomor
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 08:36 AM
Yeah, and I never saw you complaining about that there...

Complaining about what? You and other guys were making fun at each other, why would I complain? I wasn't even there at that time.

Jethro Tull
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 09:27 AM
Tronder, what is "Troender" about you??
I though the eyes and the nose were the signature of Bruenn admixture!

Tore
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 04:48 PM
Tronder, what is "Troender" about you??

I am high skulled/high vaulted with a cephalic index of appoximately 76. My occiput is pronounced. My skin is of a pinkish-white tone which occasionally freckles when exposed to sunlight, equipped with the inability to tan. My eyes are a dark blue in coloration (as opposed to a lighter blue/gray). I have large hands and feet in addition, and my legs are "heavy" boned.

Of course, not all of these traits are unambiguously Trønder.


The phenotype you described yourself by is not Trønder.

Not in its entirety, no. (see above)


Trønder is a very Nordid type, differing only slightly from Hallstatt,

Incorrect.

The Nordid strain among Trønders is of a Corded source, which distinguishes the phenotype from the Halstatt.


I would have complained about the flag, but you're right - Finnmark is politically part of Norway.

"Jewish pattern baldness" bothering you again? :D


Perhaps its time that we evaluate your phoentype to properly assure your true identity? Post a picture...it's not that hard to do (buy a 99 cent disposible, go to a supermarket, and scan it, email it to yourself). I would have figured all big talkers would have done this by now.

Advice declined.

Once I do upload a picture, I'll email to those I respect and trust.

Unfortunately, this will subsequently exclude yourself.

galvez
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 07:46 PM
Well, you finally figured it out, galvez! Racialism is about belonging exclusively to a racial group, based on your ancestral race.

I don't understand what it is about you and those like you who have an obsession with Meds, but hey, it's a free country (for the most part). The funny thing about people like you is that you supposedly espouse a racialist position and yet you focus on a group (Meds) which commits relatively little crime compared to certain minorities and has contributed greatly to the culture and economy of the U.S. given its percentage within the population. Yet you foam at the mouth every other post about Meds. What's the deal? Be open about it. Maybe you had bad experiences with Meds or maybe you are upset because Nordic women are dating outside of the group so often. Surely there must be a reason why you focus all of your attention on Meds. :)

I bet you could talk for hours and hours about Meds. Some of the Med-haters do, yet supposedly Meds are so inferior to them.

By the way, perhaps you misinterpreted my post above, but I was emphasizing identification with phenotype, which alone, IMO, is not "race" (at least in a truly biological sense). I have nothing against those who want to preserve their race or subrace, as I have explained to Loki and Njord. Those who insist on race-mixing and the "melting pot" philosophy and that any other way is racist are narrow-minded idiots.

Loki
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Once I do upload a picture, I'll email to those I respect and trust.


To all those respected and trusted - I am willing to offer a financial incentive in order to get a glance of this fascinating phenotype. :-O

Loki
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 08:46 PM
By the way, perhaps you misinterpreted my post above, but I was emphasizing identification with phenotype, which alone, IMO, is not "race" (at least in a truly biological sense). I have nothing against those who want to preserve their race or subrace, as I have explained to Loki and Njord. Those who insist on race-mixing and the "melting pot" philosophy and that any other way is racist are narrow-minded idiots.

The problem is, galvez, most "Internet Nazis" (or perhaps we are more familiar with the "Internet Soviets") are unable to agree even on the most rudimentary of racial classifications. Add to this, if one looks in the classification sections, just how much people disagree on phenotype. I know perhaps four or five people on this forum who can truthfully discern phenotype accurately, and translate that accurately to ethno-racial origin.

As we have seen in this fine example of a thread, even the most "trained" racial classifiers, or amateur anthropologists, are highly influenced by a bias which translates from a personal ideal. It is a monumental task to seperate idealism from reality, and getting down to the actual stuff that matters. A lot of junk out there, but I guess this is a game where serious and honest individuals will extract that which is vital and important.

Loki
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 08:54 PM
Just open another nick, bash Germanics and Meds for a few months with as much passion and irrationality as possible, and you will be admitted to Tore's respected and trusted club. :D

Free of charge. ;)

- Thorburn

:rofl :thumbsup

Razmig
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 09:16 PM
Advice declined.

Once I do upload a picture, I'll email to those I respect and trust.

Unfortunately, this will subsequently exclude yourself.
If you'll remember correctly, I am not the one who took low blows or included personal attacks to make myself feel better. I honestly don't care what you look like, I've heard enough from the descriptions.

Tore
Thursday, January 29th, 2004, 02:50 AM
I would have complained about the flag, but you're right - Finnmark is politically part of Norway.

I suppose I should make note of the fact (to deter any further attacks from Loki) that none of my Norwegian ancestors hail from Finnmark province.

Loki
Thursday, January 29th, 2004, 06:53 AM
I suppose I should make note of the fact (to deter any further attacks from Loki) that none of my Norwegian ancestors hail from Finnmark province.

Some Saami have been wandering and migrating too, ya know... looking for greener pastures among more prosperous Germanic Norwegians... :P

Tore
Thursday, January 29th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Some Saami have been wandering and migrating too, ya know... looking for greener pastures among more prosperous Germanic Norwegians...

Which is precisely why I'm not willing to dismiss the possibility of Saami ancestry.

Razmig
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 01:11 AM
Some Saami have been wandering and migrating too, ya know... looking for greener pastures among more prosperous Germanic Norwegians... :P
Considering the Norwegens are Nordic and not Germanic. :D

Nordhammer
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 06:39 AM
I don't understand what it is about you and those like you who have an obsession with Meds, but hey, it's a free country (for the most part). The funny thing about people like you is that you supposedly espouse a racialist position and yet you focus on a group (Meds) which commits relatively little crime compared to certain minorities and has contributed greatly to the culture and economy of the U.S. given its percentage within the population.

I don't have an obsession, you do. You're the one trolling Nordish groups and constantly belittling those you deem to be "Nordicist". In my experience it's always been the Mediterraneans who enter Nordish forums and start trouble. First Dienekes, then Racial Myths, and now you and others.

I have never dwelled on Meds and don't think they're all mixed. My stance has been purely one of subracial preservation, regardless of nonwhite admixture in Meds, etc.

America is Northern European in foundation and I think it should remain that way.




I have nothing against those who want to preserve their race or subrace

We don't have a problem then.

Nordhammer
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 06:44 AM
I know perhaps four or five people on this forum who can truthfully discern phenotype accurately, and translate that accurately to ethno-racial origin.


Names? We should appoint them as official classifiers so people won't be misled.

Evolved
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 06:52 AM
Which is precisely why I'm not willing to dismiss the possibility of Saami ancestry.

Sámi are good people. Maybe they are not as advanced, but at least they haven't lost their roots. I don't believe what the settlers say about them, it was the settlers afterall who introduced them to alcohol like the white man did to the American Indian

Glenlivet
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 07:17 AM
Are you sure that you know what you are talking about:fwhat:?



Considering the Norwegens are Nordic and not Germanic. :D

Razmig
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Are you sure that you know what you are talking about:fwhat:?
The Nordics (Vikings) are not the same root as the Germanics (Goths and Gauls) who inhabited the Black Sea, Eastern Europe who were later forced out of their lands into Germany and France by the Slavs, who were in turn pushed west themselves by the Turkics, which land was soon recovered. People confuse Germanic for Nordic, its a really big mistake. The tribes of Anglos in the north show admixture with the modern Germanic Alemans (Germany), as well as the Netherlands, and Denmark (a Viking territory). However, they are as seperate as the Greeks and Romans.

BTW Remember that ALL indo-European languages are similar, and people all root from the same stem, however Norwegen is different from German in that its grammatical pronounciatians and sentence structure are very distant. Descriptive words tend to be similar (like the similarities between many indo-European languages). English is a variant of Germanic (however its people are mixed, Pict, Welsh, Nordic Anglo Saxons Jutes who were Germanics, Normas and Celts. The languages of the Vikings are called North Germanic (Danish, Norwegen/Swedish, Icelandic) because the Vikings had direct contact with the Germanics, who influenced them greatly with literary works pre-adaptation of Christianity. It is the same with the Romans and inherriting Greek language, and creating Latin, however maintaining individuality and a similar yet differed culture.

Razmig
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 10:11 AM
http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/lab/nlp/polylex/polynode15.html

Awar
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 10:54 AM
The Nordics (Vikings) are not the same root as the Germanics (Goths and Gauls) who inhabited the Black Sea,

Goths are Germanic, but the Gauls were Keltic. There is a world of difference between these two. Nordics are a quasi-anthropological term, not related to any ethnos.


Eastern Europe who were later forced out of their lands into Germany and France by the Slavs, who were in turn pushed west themselves by the Turkics, which land was soon recovered.

You're talking about the great migrations which happened some 400 years before the emergence of vikings.


People confuse Germanic for Nordic, its a really big mistake.

That's true.


The tribes of Anglos in the north show admixture with the modern Germanic Alemans (Germany), as well as the Netherlands, and Denmark (a Viking territory). However, they are as seperate as the Greeks and Romans.

That doesn't make much sense.


BTW Remember that ALL indo-European languages are similar, and people all root from the same stem, however Norwegen is different from German in that its grammatical pronounciatians and sentence structure are very distant. Descriptive words tend to be similar (like the similarities between many indo-European languages).

German language has been under heavy influence of some non-IE language that existed in central Europe. Scandinavian languages and Gothic were much closer to Slavic languages.


English is a variant of Germanic (however its people are mixed, Pict, Welsh, Nordic Anglo Saxons Jutes who were Germanics, Normas and Celts. The languages of the Vikings are called North Germanic (Danish, Norwegen/Swedish, Icelandic) because the Vikings had direct contact with the Germanics, who influenced them greatly with literary works pre-adaptation of Christianity.

English language consists of 60% Romance, 30% Germanic and 10% Celtic influences. Most of the Romance influence comes ironically from the Normans ( since 1066. AD ), some of the romance influence was preserved in Celtic languages that existed in that teritory since the time of the Roman empire.

30% Germanic influence came with the Angles, Saxons, Yutes and Vikings.

10% Keltic is what remained of the previous inhabitants of todays teritory of England.


It is the same with the Romans and inherriting Greek language, and creating Latin, however maintaining individuality and a similar yet differed culture.

Latin is basically a Greek-influenced language, but it's of the Centum group of languages, while Greek is Satem. The languages spoken in the teritory of Italy (Ital) are closely related to Keltic and Illyrian.

Gauls, Itals and Illyrians were at that time speakers of west IE languages, while everyone else was speaking mostly eastern variants of IE.

The east group consisted at that time of Balto-Slavic, Germanic, Iranian, Armenian and Greek.

Tocharian language ( spoken in central Asia and China ) was at that time already extinct, but from what was preserved, scientists say that it belonged to the WESTERN IE GROUP!!!

Nordgau
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 02:20 PM
German language has been under heavy influence of some non-IE language that existed in central Europe. Scandinavian languages and Gothic were much closer to Slavic languages.


Hmm... what "heavy influence" of non-Indo-European languages to German do you mean? The Skandinavian languages (North Germanic) as well as German (West Germanic) have a common origin in Germanic which was for over the whole Germanic area quite equal until the centuries around Christ's birth, and which then got devided in development into these branches North, West and East Germanic.

http://www.roman-britain.org/images/language_graph.gif
Also an illustration : http://www.stefanjacob.de/Geschichte/Unterseiten/Sprachgeschichte.php?Multi=4

Germanic as a whole made the special developments which let it devide from the other Indo-European languages. In the first Germanic sound shift to a proto-Germanic language, IE p, t, k became GER f, th, h, IE b, d, g became GER p, t, k, and IE bh, dh, gh became GER b, d, g. All-Germanic is also the regular stressing of the words on the first accent. Also, the adaption of non-IE vocabulary substratum for words of sea-faring, war, society structure and agriculture is all-Germanic, and not something very later west-Germanic or German.

A special further development of the German language, through which German becomes different from other Germanic, also West-Germanic languages, was later, between 500 and 700 AD, the High-German sound shift.

http://www.stefanjacob.de/Geschichte/Unterseiten/Sprachgeschichte.htm

Awar
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 08:25 PM
Yeah, I shouldn't have used the word 'heavily influenced' like that.

Razmig
Friday, January 30th, 2004, 10:06 PM
So am I to understand that the west IE groups (that of Illyr and west of it) were different from that of the Germanic (Germany and Scandinavia) which was more "western" geographically than Illyria, with more similarities to Armenian, Greek, Iranian and Balto-Slavic, than to Illyrian, Keltic, and Tocharian, which is an Iranian dialect?? That doesn't make sence. I was led to beleive the original language of Scandinavia was non IE, non Irano-Slavic, Anatolian, Greek or what have you.

In any case, the Normas influenced English in the romantic sense that literary works from Normandy were introduced to the peoples there (Jutes and other Germanics). The core of the English language is Germanic, not to consider its abundance of Germanic French words. (Did the Germanics adopt the IE Romantic, and previous to such an adoption speak a non IE like the Scands?)

Also what makes a language "Germanic" and "Romance" when in actuallity the two are closer to each other than to other IE's (Iranic, Slavic etc). It doesnt make sense.