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morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 09:06 AM
What race did von Eckstedt imply by Indomelanid or "indomelanicus"?

Agrippa
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 08:02 PM
A darker South Indid type.

Probably Indid-Weddid or a contact race between both.

He said they are even more than the Aethiopids morphologically "white" but "black" is their skin.

The Dravidian populations of the South-West of India are Indomelanid and they are very common in many parts of India. (Typical the region of Kerala)

If you thinkin about typical Southern Dravids, they are neither Indid nor Weddid but = Indomelanid.

Strong pigmentation, long headed, often curly hair, usually mesorrhine, often convex noses, short body with long extremities.

Intermediate between the Gracilindid (general Indid) and Weddid type.

I tried to find some examples but its hard on the net...here are some approximations:

http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~srk/pictures/President-of-India-2.jpg
http://www.developments.org.uk/graphics/0399/kerala.jpg
http://tour.du.monde.free.fr/tosma/kerala.jpg
http://www.panchjanya.com/18-5-2003/KERALA-CIPIA-copy.gif
http://www.rajinifans.com/images/Saamymike.jpg

morfrain_encilgar
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 12:12 AM
A darker South Indid type.

Probably Indid-Weddid or a contact race between both.

He said they are even more than the Aethiopids morphologically "white" but "black" is their skin.

The Dravidian populations of the South-West of India are Indomelanid and they are very common in many parts of India. (Typical the region of Kerala)

If you thinkin about typical Southern Dravids, they are neither Indid nor Weddid but = Indomelanid.

Strong pigmentation, long headed, often curly hair, usually mesorrhine, often convex noses, short body with long extremities.

Intermediate between the Gracilindid (general Indid) and Weddid type.



Thanks Agrippa! I knew that you would know. I've learned a lot from you.

Nordgau
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Relating to their skin colour, Eickstedt writes: "Just as a small bottle of poured out ink is enough to make a whole bucket of water as black as the ink itself."

Close do Veddid does for Eickstedt the (Indo-)Melanids' skin appear, between Veddid and Europid (Indid) the forming of their nose outlines, lips, shape of their and hair texture, rather Europid the shape of their face and their bridge of nose.

Hmm... what do you think about these two from Madras, Agrippa? Could come close.
http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/dilip/saraswati-and-professor-krishna-from-madras.jpg

Agrippa
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 03:43 PM
Relating to their skin colour, Eickstedt writes: "Just as a small bottle of poured out ink is enough to make a whole bucket of water as black as the ink itself."

Close do Veddid does for Eickstedt the (Indo-)Melanids' skin appear, between Veddid and Europid (Indid) the forming of their nose outlines, lips, shape of their and hair texture, rather Europid the shape of their face and their bridge of nose.

Hmm... what do you think about these two from Madras, Agrippa? Could come close.
http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/dilip/saraswati-and-professor-krishna-from-madras.jpg

They are Indomelanids, but more on the Weddid side = the typical Indomelanids.

I think this term is useful in its wider sence too, describing the most people which are of mixed Indid/Weddid heritage on a relatively stabile basis.
To me Mahatma Ghandi is a good example for the meaning in its wider sence:
http://www.vancouveryoga.com/assets/photos/ghandi.jpg

He was of the middle caste and the difference to Nehru from the upper casts is really significant because Nehru is almost pure Europid with a mix of predominantely Nordindid and slight Gracilindid features. He is a really good example of Aryan Indians of the Nordindid type which are morphologically not to far from Northern Mediterraneans and Nordids:
http://www.itihaas.com/nehru-gandhi.jpg
http://www.shashitharoor.com/articles/hindu/images/nehru.jpg
http://www.congresssandesh.com/nov-2001/images/nehru.jpg


Nehru was born on November 14, 1889, the son of a wealthy Brahman lawyer from Kashmir

Kashmir is on the whole more "Aryan" and the upper caste even more.

Nordgau
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Ghandi looks odd. Here is a photo of him when he was younger. If one classes him with Indo-Melanids in a wider sense, as summary term for a couple of shades of Indid-Weddid mixture, then he strikes somehow a bit more towards the direction of Gracil-Indid, I think. The skin is of course quite more "brownish" than this black/white photo could let think.

http://homepage1.nifty.com/boddo/ajia/all/image/ghandi.jpg

Agrippa
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 04:47 PM
Ghandi looks odd. Here is a photo of him when he was younger. If one classes him with Indo-Melanids in a wider sense, as summary term for a couple of shades of Indid-Weddid mixture, then he strikes somehow a bit more towards the direction of Gracil-Indid, I think. The skin is of course quite more "brownish" than this black/white photo could let think.

http://homepage1.nifty.com/boddo/ajia/all/image/ghandi.jpg

He is really a strange type. Morphologically he would fit in very good in the term Indomelanid, but his pigmentation is somewhat lighter but very much.
Or course he is more on the Gracilindid side than typical Indomelanids from Kerala.
Ghandi was from Gujarat. If this picture is real he looks like he had some kind of disease.
http://www.hollandse-hoogte.nl/image/news/previous/gandhi/html/doc2%20mg1b.html