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Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, January 23rd, 2004, 08:39 AM
From another forum:

http://www.faem.com/natvan/bassou.htm

Picture of a North African Homo ?, you tell me.

Evolved
Friday, January 23rd, 2004, 09:01 AM
I think he's a mentally retarded and deformed microcephal.

Descendant
Friday, January 23rd, 2004, 09:29 AM
LOL- good one.
Our friend Mr. Bassou doesn't look like he has a gorilla for a daddy, notice his excellent Homo Sapien posture. And lack of body hair, LESS than the average human in fact. Someone should have drawn him a pelt. Hey if your going to do it do it right, right?

Cheap and tacky neo-Nazi propaganda.

Notice this quote:


With arms so long his fingers hang below his knees when he stands uprightThen notice the picture. The two lines I have added are the same length. I guess they didn't have enough money to buy a ruler. There is nothing at all abnormal about his arm length. (Note, the reason that East Africans often have very tall and slender bodies is that they confer greater survivablity to malaria induced fevers)

morfrain_encilgar
Friday, January 23rd, 2004, 10:03 AM
From another forum:

http://www.faem.com/natvan/bassou.htm

Picture of a North African Homo ?, you tell me.


Frans mentioned Azzo Bassou to me in connection with the Aterians. (He says he is going to write about this subject soon.) Frans thinks he shows some reemergence of the Aterian race of North Africa, which was not modern.

Awar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 02:22 AM
Who the hell knows, maybe the man is really a re-emergence of some old race.
The comments on that site were totally idiotic nazi propaganda ( that will be their doom anyway ), as Descendant already said: cheap.

There are much weirder humans with retardations, who in more civilized countries inhabit mental institutions etc.

Here is an example of a microcephalic child. :(
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/HumanBioogy/tcge010.jpg

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 02:30 AM
Who the hell knows, maybe the man is really a re-emergence of some old race.
The comments on that site were totally idiotic nazi propaganda ( that will be their doom anyway ), as Descendant already said: cheap.

There are much weirder humans with retardations, who in more civilized countries inhabit mental institutions etc.

Here is an example of a microcephalic child. :(
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/HumanBioogy/tcge010.jpg


I'm not familiar with the appearence of microcephaly in adults, but, I know it is the lack of a gene related to brain size. So it can be thought of as a re-emergence.

Evolved
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 02:33 AM
I don't think many of them survive to adulthood. ;(

Awar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 02:42 AM
good point.

( I still doubt that man is a man+ape mix ).

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 03:29 AM
good point.

( I still doubt that man is a man+ape mix ).

I don't think it is possible, that he can be a hybrid of the sort they are implying that he was. And besides those apes aren't found in North Africa.

Awar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 03:40 AM
I guess they just weren't paying attention to details when they wrote
the accompanying text.
:)
This is of course just another evidence that
most racist groups either consist of low IQ members/sympathizers, or they try
to attract low IQ members/sympathizers. Or both.

( this can only hurt serious preservationists/racialists ).

AngryPotato
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 03:46 AM
The first two head pictures looked photoshoped to me. The upright picture makes me believe that all three are unaltered. It's a freak. I don't think it can be classified.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 07:30 AM
A German language site has another good picture showing the nose and mouth. They say Bassou has been know since the 1930s and visited by a couple "expeditions". A final 1970s trip found that Bassou had died. The grave was located but the locals would not permit him being dug up. There is some news, though, it seems Bassou has two living sisters who share his strange features.

http://de.geocities.com/anubiscly/azzo.htm

The Blond Beast
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 07:43 AM
I see frightening congruency...

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/HumanBioogy/tcge010.jpg

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=7085

Evolved
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 07:48 AM
:upset Hey, don't compare that innocent little baby to that hideous deformed Oriental creature! :grind :ababy

Zimmer Mann
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 07:58 AM
I guess the Elephant Man must have been the freakiest of them all, having the reemergence of those ancient elephant genes. They dish out the tripe and you gobble it right up. They know how to play the field.

Razmig
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 10:18 AM
:upset Hey, don't compare that innocent little baby to that hideous deformed Oriental creature! :grind :ababy
LMAO Why so much hate for the Assyrians? All the better to breath your pretty perfume with.

That Africans head seems fairly symetrical, his face seems african, but its the back of his head and ears that are similar to a monkey, weird stuff, the man barely has any facial hair either.

Awar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 03:50 PM
I guess the Elephant Man must have been the freakiest of them all, having the reemergence of those ancient elephant genes. They dish out the tripe and you gobble it right up. They know how to play the field.

What do you mean?

Awar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 03:53 PM
The ape-guy doesn't have a very negroid face or head.
He looks partially caucasoid at least.

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 03:58 PM
The ape-guy doesn't have a very negroid face or head.
He looks partially caucasoid at least.


He lived in the Maghreb, so I would imagine that he was of Caucasoid ancestry.

Agrippa
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Then notice the picture. The two lines I have added are the same length. I guess they didn't have enough money to buy a ruler. There is nothing at all abnormal about his arm length. (Note, the reason that East Africans often have very tall and slender bodies is that they confer greater survivablity to malaria induced fevers)


Never heard this, were do you have this hypothesis from?

Im really interested in reading more about this hypothesis if you have further information.

Razmig
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 07:29 PM
The ape-guy doesn't have a very negroid face or head.
He looks partially caucasoid at least.
There are many full blown negroids in Maghreb. How does he not look like a full negro? Hes deformed.

Frans_Jozef
Saturday, January 24th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Frans mentioned Azzo Bassou to me in connection with the Aterians. (He says he is going to write about this subject soon.) Frans thinks he shows some reemergence of the Aterian race of North Africa, which was not modern.

I deal with the cultural aspect on a later instance, but the reemergence of the Atherian race, sparsely and contained in time, as a relict of the Homo erectus is not far-fetched.
Leaky, Aguirre and particularly Jelinek have argued favourably for dismissing a distinction of HE with the sapiens form, invoking the lack of clear boundaries between these two species.
Jelinek went further saying that the anatomical links between Middle and Late Pleistocene populations in several regions made it impossible for seperating HE with contemporary HS and that these links warranted a regional continuity where changes occured only in a subspecies level.

Here is a picture of a modelled Homo erectus:

http://www.geocities.com/palaeoanthropology/Herectus.html

morfrain_encilgar
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 12:34 AM
I deal with the cultural aspect on a later instance, but the reemergence of the Atherian race, sparsely and contained in time, as a relict of the Homo erectus is not far-fetched.
Leaky, Aguirre and particularly Jelinek have argued favourably for dismissing a distinction of HE with the sapiens form, invoking the lack of clear boundaries between these two species.
Jelinek went further saying that the anatomical links between Middle and Late Pleistocene populations in several regions made it impossible for seperating HE with contemporary HS and that these links warranted a regional continuity where changes occured only in a subspecies level.

Here is a picture of a modelled Homo erectus:

http://www.geocities.com/palaeoanthropology/Herectus.html

I've imcluded the description of Homo caprensis. Included in it is a discussion of the relationships between various hominids besides modern sapiens and the neanderthals.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, January 25th, 2004, 03:04 AM
So, Frans Jozef, is the subject in question Homo erectus or Homo ergaster? Or is this a freak? Please state your reasoning.

Descendant
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 09:38 PM
Never heard this, were do you have this hypothesis from?

Im really interested in reading more about this hypothesis if you have further information.
This was work that my professor and his graduate students were completing a few years ago in Ethiopia. I'm sorry but I could not find anything about it online and I do not know where they published it.

Agrippa
Wednesday, January 28th, 2004, 11:48 PM
This was work that my professor and his graduate students were completing a few years ago in Ethiopia. I'm sorry but I could not find anything about it online and I do not know where they published it.

Of course its true that long extremities have a cooling effect in heat and that it is something problematic in the cold (just compare Tungids and Nilotids) but how big the effect would be in fever I dont know even if I can imagine that there is some effect at all.

Frans_Jozef
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2004, 11:02 PM
So, Frans Jozef, is the subject in question Homo erectus or Homo ergaster? Or is this a freak? Please state your reasoning.

Inconclusive.

A microcephalic person has a small skull, Homo erectus was the first large-brained human, but Bassou strikes by the presence of archaic traits which however problematically overlap some physical marks of recognisation pertaining to microcephaly, the great discordance between the face in regard to the brain case, the low and retreating forehead with protuberance of the browridges, but while Homo erectus had a projected transverse torus, in microcephalics the occiput is simply vertical, steep.
The head of microcephalics is called a "bird head" by its special shape, now strange enough a pathological type, called by Lundman *Kubiformer Typus*, does exist among the pariah-like lower ranks of Indonesian society, the face is abnormally stretched and the jaws stands out as ape-like muzzle; Lundman is vague on its origin, but traces it back to residual fully absorbed Veddoid elements, notwithstanding that Veddoids are orthognatious;
Weinert makes mention of a special *weddider Gesichtsbildung* whereby the whole face seems to jut forward, the cranial capacity is about 1200cc but usual lower and the limbs very equatorial in design...

Frans_Jozef
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2004, 11:41 PM
He lived in the Maghreb, so I would imagine that he was of Caucasoid ancestry.

A fragment of a human mandible from the Hana Fteah site in Cyrenaica, Lybia would fall within the Mount Carmel series in size, resembling Tabun 1 and 2 but with non-neanderthaloid features.
Coon contemplates the possibility of a refuse area for the Levalloisio-mousterian industry of the Levantine, though not contemporay but far younger in age(38000BC).

"...this evidence suggests by the time of the Göttweig Interstadial a presumably sapiens Caucasoid people, like the Mount Carmel population, may have penetrated northeast Africa.
These people must have been in contact with the northwest Africans of that period, and may have perhapsoccupied the Nile Valley.
If the northwest Africans had not already become sapiens by local evolution, here was their opportunity to rise to the sapiens grade through gene flow, and to acquire a measure of Caucasoid characteristics some 25000years before the arrival of the Mouillians."
(The Origin of Races)

morfrain_encilgar
Wednesday, February 4th, 2004, 01:59 AM
now strange enough a pathological type, called by Lundman *Kubiformer Typus*, does exist among the pariah-like lower ranks of Indonesian society, the face is abnormally stretched and the jaws stands out as ape-like muzzle; Lundman is vague on its origin, but traces it back to residual fully absorbed Veddoid elements, notwithstanding that Veddoids are orthognatious;
Weinert makes mention of a special *weddider Gesichtsbildung* whereby the whole face seems to jut forward, the cranial capacity is about 1200cc but usual lower and the limbs very equatorial in design...


The "weddider Gesichtsbildung" is a type I would like to see, and is this type from, India?

Maj.Mathis
Wednesday, September 27th, 2006, 04:49 PM
Yea That Is Really Mature . But Also Takes One To Identify One. Lol