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Sigurd
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 11:40 AM
Maybe some credit should also be given to former member Vinlands Hammer who took the trouble to revise some of this, when it was first revisedly posted at Odinist Forums.


Odinism, What Is It?
The Odinic Rite


1. What do you mean by Odinism?

Odinism is the indigenous religious faith of the Scandinavian, British and other peoples of Northern Europe; it is an amalgam of attitudes, ideas and behavior, both a personal faith and a communal way of life. In its beginnings Odinism is probably as old as our race. Historically it may be divided into three periods:
Before the coming of Christianity
Its gradual merging with Christianity and the ensuing Period of Dual Faith, and
Its efforts in the present century to free itself of Christian influences and to reassert its ancient independence.
2. How have the tenets of Odinism been preserved? Is there an Odinist holy book?
The ancient oral traditions of Odinism were during the Middle Ages embodied in writings, the Odinist books of wisdom, the principle of which are the Eddas. The poetic Elder Edda presents the Odinist cosmogony, the mythological lays and the heroic lays, including the story of Sigurd and Brynhild which were in later times molded into the Lay of the Nibelungs. The Younger Edda is a prose synopsis of the Odinist faith.

3. When did Britain and the rest of Europe cease to be Odinist?

The first of our Northern countries to succumb to the false promises of the new religion were the Goths, in the fourth century of the Christian era; the Icelanders became Christians by official decree in the year 1000 CE, to be followed by the Scandinavian countries over the next two hundred years. England was "converted" between 597 and 686 CE and Scotland somewhat earlier (although some of the people of Ross-shire were still worshipping the old Gods as late as the seventeenth century). Ireland, when Patrick the Proselytizer landed there in the year 432, was described as "a heathen land"; Dublin and the other principal Irish towns were actually founded by Odinist Vikings, who dedicated the country to the god Thor.

4. Well, the people were converted to Christianity. Would you have denied them their freedom of choice?

They had no choice. Most of those who were "converted" had little knowledge of Christian doctrine; the new religion was imposed on them by sword and sermon. The Rev. S. C. Olland's Dictionary of English Church History is explicit: "The adoption of Christianity generally depended upon State action: the king and his nobles were baptized and the people largely followed their example The wholesale conversions could not have implied individual conviction." On one day alone in the year 598 more than ten thousand English "converts" were baptized in a mass ceremony; it is unlikely that they had received a great deal of instruction in the Christian faith. Even in the twentieth century the vast majority of Christians are still quite ignorant of Christian doctrine. It was always so.

5. Why do you say that Odinism was practiced in the Church during what you have called "the Period of Dual Faith"?

We can see the evidence everywhere, even today. When the foreign missionaries subverted Britain what they could they repressed and what they could not they ignored or adopted. The ancient spring renewal festival of Summer Finding was transformed into the Christian feast of the resurrection; the Mid-winter festival of Yule became Christmas. Not only the folk festivals connected with the great changes of season - May Day and Midsummer and Harvest - but numerous customs associated with life's milestones, birth and marriage and death, all showed that the old Gods lived on in the life and in the language of the people. Many of the external signs of the ancient faith were retained: water was consecrated and wood was blessed. A Christian writer, Professor P. D. Chantepie de la Saussaye DD, has said, "We recognize in this folklore a form of historical continuity, the bond of union between the life of the people in pagan and In Christian times." Even today when we say, "Touch wood!" we are recalling the sacred nature of an important symbol of our ancient religion; and how many people are aware that they are paying unconscious tribute to the Gods of Odinism when they light their Christmas or Paschal candles or their bonfire on the fifth of November? Or that the very "Christmas tree" is itself the World Ash of Odinism? Even the sign of the cross is really the sign of Thor's hammer!

6. How long did the Period of Dual Faith last?

The period during which Odinism was actually practiced within the Church extended in Britain from about the seventh century CE right down to the 1930's, when the purity of ancient worship was revived by a number of groups working outside the Church for the first time for more than a thousand years.

7. But the adoption of Christianity, a creed that preaches peace on earth and the equality of all men was, surely you must agree, a step forward in the civilizing of our people?

Odinists were happy enough to put up with the new doctrines so long as they were allowed to go on practicing their own faith in peace. But the inherent contradiction at the heart of Christianity is that it denies in action the faith that it professes verbally. There is no history of religious warfare in Europe before the coming of Christianity. It is ironic indeed that the message of peace on earth has been propagated with so much bloodshed. As for the equality of all men, we just do not believe in it; and even the Christian god has his "chosen people".

8. Why is it now necessary to reassert what you describe as Odinism's ancient independence? Why can you not , in the present unsettled state of society, leave well alone. Surely we should be getting together, not creating more divisions amongst ourselves?

First of all it is necessary to state that because of its organic origins and development Odinism is a religion of visual truth. Nevertheless, for just so long as Christian and Odinist ethics coincided - even superficially - it was possible for Odinists to worship the Gods under their Christian designations; but only for so long as they remained adequate interpretations of the true divinities of Odinism (the nature of a god being of greater importance than his name).

The Churches are today opposed to many of the things that Odinists hold sacred: they sin against nation and people by espousing causes whose ultimate aim is our destruction; they condone legislation that has given statutory approval to unnatural sexual deviance and perversion; they encourage criminal activities by calling for the exemption from punishment, or even prosecution, of whole categories of lawbreakers; they provide financial aid for revolutionary propaganda and even terrorist activities against our own people; they remain totally indifferent to the rape of our countryside in the short-term interests of economic gain and technology; and they have successfully divided the people of our own islands against themselves (e.g., in Ireland). Life in Northern Europe is today, after fifteen hundred years of Christianity, almost entirely concerned with material wealth and self-indulgence and the Christian clergy have largely forsaken their spiritual vocations in order to preach the causes of subversion and revolution.

The people yearn for spiritual bread but have been offered by the Churches only a political stone. It is no longer possible for anyone who is aware of his debt to our past or who has concern for the future of our nation and race to remain within the Christian Church. This must not, however be taken to imply that Odinists bear hatred towards Christians; we recognize that there are many good and sincere people within the Christian community from whose example Odinists themselves could not fail to profit. But the Church is itself largely responsible for the "present unsettled state of society". Odinists see it as their duty to oppose those who menace the things that they regard as holy. If we cannot in justice always blame the sheep we should and do attack the shepherds.

9. But surely it would be preferable to have one god for all mankind?

Why? One god or many Gods, it really does not matter. Our true Gods are actually worshipped by peoples all over the world, using their own mythologies and adapting their worship to local cultures and conditions. We prefer to worship the Gods in our own way with people of our own kind. And we respect the right of others to their own beliefs. It was an Odinist gothi (priest), Sigrith, who told the foreign missionaries, "I must not part from the faith which I have held, and my forefathers before me; on the other hand I shall make no objection to your believing in the god that pleases you best."

10. You have mentioned the "Gods of Nature". Does this mean that Odinists are nature-worshippers?

Odinists recognize man's spiritual kinship with Nature, that within himself are in essence all that is in the greater world, which perform within him the same functions as in the world. Thus there are in man the four elements, the vegetative life of plants, an ethereal body - the god- soul - corresponding to the heavens, the sense of animals, of spiritual things and reason and understanding. Because in this way man comprises all the parts of the world within himself he is thus a true image of the Gods.

Also containing the essence of the universe within themselves, the Gods are everywhere and in everything: they show themselves to us as fire, as a flower, as a tree. Odinists believe that all life should be lived in communion and in accord with the mind of the Gods. Christianity turned away from Nature and concentrated its adherents' attention on the human soul and became obsessed with the fall of man, by which it was implied that man had brought all Nature down into sin with him. Christian teaching encouraged man to see Nature only in her physical form whereas Odinists regard Nature as a true manifestation of the divine. "We and the cosmos are one," wrote D. H. Lawrence, "The cosmos is a vast living body, of which we are still part. The sun is the great heart whose tremors run through our smallest veins. The moon is a great gleaming nerve-center from which we quiver forever Now all this is literally true, as men knew in the great past and as they will know again." Whoever shall properly know himself and all things in himself shall know the Gods. The Odinist, because of his awareness of his relationship with Nature, is able to feel a consanguineous kinship with plants and animals and the land - a complete oneness.

11. You speak of "the Odinist mythology". Do you really expect anyone to believe in a myth?

Every religion is mythical in its development. Mythology is the knowledge that the ancients had of the divine; it is religious truth expressing in poetical terms mankind's desire for personal and visible gods. The mythology of Odinism consists of a group of legends, fables and tales relating to The Gods, heroes, demons and other beings whose names have been preserved in popular belief. Our object must be to discover, with the help of our mythology, the Gods who manifest themselves throughout Nature: in the streets and in the trees and in the rocks, in the running streams and in the heavy ear of grain, in the splendor of the sun by day and in the star-strewn sky at night. But it is not the myth that Odinists believe in but the Gods whom that myth helps us to understand.

12. What, then, is the Odinist mythology?

Briefly, our mythology unfolds in five acts (which may be compared to the evolution of the seasons of the year):

the Creation (spring)
the time preceding the death of Balder (summer)
the death of Balder (summer's end)
the time immediately after the death of Balder (autumn)
Ragnarok, the decline and fall followed by the regeneration of the world (winter and spring)The first effort of speculative man has always been to solve the mystery of existence, to ask what was in the beginning. The condition of things before the world's creation is expressed in the Eddas negatively; there was nothing of that which sprang into existence:

Nothing was
Neither land nor sea,
Nor cool waves.
Earth was not ,
Sky was not,
But a gaping void
And no grass.

Ymir was a frost-giant, e.g. chaotic matter:
From Ymir's flesh
The world was made,
And from his blood the sea.
Mountains from his bones,
Trees from his hair,
And the welkin from his skull.

There were as yet no human beings upon the earth when one day as the Gods Odin, Hoener and Loder were walking along the seashore they saw two trees from which they created the first human pair. Odin gave them life and spirit, Hoener endowed them with reason and the power of motion and Loder gave them blood, hearing, and a fair complexion. The man they called Ask ash)-and the woman Embla (elm). As their abode the newly-created pair received from the Gods Midgarth and from them is descended the whole human race.

Balder is the god of the summer, the favorite god of all Nature and a son of Odin; he is one of the wisest and most eloquent of the Gods and his dwelling is in a place where nothing impure can enter. The story of Balder, well-known in the Northern countries, finds explanation in the seasons of the year, in the change from light to darkness; he represents the bright and clear summer and his death is the impermanent victory of darkness over light, of winter over summer, of death over life. When Balder is dead, all Nature mourns. His death presages the disaster of Ragnarok, the consummation of the world, followed by its cleansing and return to the primal state.

Ragnarok, the Twilight of the Gods, represents a great conflict between good and evil powers. The idea is already suggested in the story of the Creation in which the Gods are represented as proceeding from giants, that is from an evil and chaotic force. And whatever can be born must surely die. In the seasons and activities of Nature we see a constantly recurring picture of the necessity for death and the equal certainty of its being overcome. At Ragnarok all the worlds of Nature will be destroyed and even the giants must die. But from that catastrophe will emerge a renewed world and the Gods themselves will be born again. We see this drama enacted every year in miniature when autumn heralds the period of decline and decay until with the spring we witness the magic of resurrection and new life.

This, briefly told, is the myth that explained to our ancestors their origin and the origin of the world, the creation of life from chaos and the emergence of evolution and harmony.

13. Who is Odin?

Odin is the first and eldest of the Gods, the all-pervading spirit of the sun, the moon, the stars, the hills, the plains and of man. With his help were made heaven and earth and the first man and woman. All knowledge came from him; he is the inventor of poetry and discovered the runes; he governs all things, protects the social organization influences the human mind, avenges murder and upholds the sanctity of the oath. He is well named Allfather. And because he chooses to surround himself with a bodyguard of those who have fallen in battle he is also known as Valfather, Father of the Slain.

In the mythology Odin's single eye (the other he sacrificed in exchange for wisdom) is the sun, his broad-brimmed hat the arched vault of heaven, his blue cloak the sky. A conspicuous passage in the Edda is Odin's sacrifice of himself to himself:

I know I hung
on the windy tree
nine nights through:
I know I hung
I know I hung
myself to myself,
on the tree
that springs
from roots unknown.

Order is the basis of Odin's government. Nature the garment by which he manifests himself. Odinism says: study the natural laws, conform to them and you will prosper; ignore them or violate them and you must suffer. Just so far as you study and obey Nature exactly so far will Nature reward or punish you. For under Odin the government of Nature is harmonious and unchangeable.

14. Who are the other Gods of Odinism? What kind of Gods are they?

We have already spoken of Odin and Balder. Of the other Gods the best- known is Thor, the most famous story concerning whom tells of this Warrior-God crushing the powers of chaos. He rules over clouds and rain and makes his presence known in the lightning's flash. He is the protector of the farm worker, the chief god of agriculture, a helpful deity who makes the crops grow and who also blesses the bride with fertility. In the words of Professor P. V. Glob, " He wishes all men well and stands by them in face of their enemies and against the new God, Christ." Tyr is the God of martial honor, the most daring and intrepid of the Gods. He dispenses justice in time of peace and valor in war. He it was who sacrificed a hand when overpowering the evil Fenris Wolf, showing us that we ourselves must be prepared to make sacrifices in order to protect ourselves and our kin from those who seek to cast our society into anarchy and chaos.

Frey is God of the harvest and is therefore also a God of fecundity and growth; some authorities believe that he and Christ may have become blended, in England at least, in so a God of fecundity and growth; some authorities believe that he and Christ may have become blended, in England at least, in the new religion of Christianity. Freya is a Goddess of love and the sister of Frey: barren women may invoke her and she is also the Goddess of death for all women. Another God, Vali, is called he Avenger because when he was yet only one night old he avenged Balder's death, thus demonstrating the moral obligation we have of punishing society's enemies. Other Gods include Brage, Heimdal, Vidar, Frigg and Forsete.

The Gods of Odinism are the ordaining powers of Nature clothed in personality. They direct the world which they themselves created. They are referred to collectively as the Aesir, of whom every living thing forms a part (thus not all the Gods are necessarily good ones). Objects and phenomena that are regarded as greater or lesser Aesir are qualities such as thought and memory, and natural things such as the sun, rivers, mountains and trees as well as animals and ancestral spirits. There are also the guardian Gods of the land, of skills and occupations and the spirits of national heroes, the Einheriar and other men and women whose outstanding deeds and virtues have contributed to our civilization, culture and well-being.

15. Is there a table of commandments that sets out the rules to be followed by Odinists?

The main rules of Odinist conduct are listed in the Nine Charges which are:

To maintain candor and fidelity in love and devotions to the tried friend: though he strike me I will do him no scathe.
Never to make a wrongsome oath: for great and grim is the reward for the breaking of plighted troth.
To deal not hardly with the humble and lowly.
To remember the respect that is due great age.
To suffer no evil to go unremedied and to fight against the enemies of family, nation, race and faith: my foes will I fight in the field nor be burnt in my house.
To succor the friendless but to put no faith in the pledged word of a stranger people.
If I hear the fool's word of a drunken man I will strive not: for many a grief and the very death groweth out of such things.
To give kind heed to dead men: straw-dead, sea-dead or sword-dead.
To abide by the enactments of lawful authority and to bear with courage and fortitude the decrees of the Norns.
The Charges are based on the rules of life indicated by the High Song of Odin and in the Lay of Sigurd in which the Valkyrie gives counsel to Sigurd. They may be summarized as demanding in the struggle for life a self-reliance which should be earned by a love of learning and industry, a prudent foresight in word and deed, moderation in the gratification of the senses and in the exercise of power, modesty and politeness in intercourse and a desire to earn the goodwill of our fellow men.

16. The first four Charges seem fairly innocuous, but I must say the Fifth Charge sounds rather sinister! Isn't it all very violent and retributive?

"To suffer no evil to go unremedied," does appear to run contrary to the trends of modern progressive thinking. And the idea of fighting "against the enemies of family, nation, race and faith" would be anathema to many people. Unlike the Christian, whose duty it is to "turn the other cheek" (advice that is more often observed ub tge breach than otherwise) and to be patient and long-suffering under the most grievous attacks, it is the duty of the Odinist to punish wrongs and above all those wrongs offered to his own family and kin. Society's enemies already know the basic law of life: that the race is to the strong and that the meek will inherit the earth only when the earth inherits them dust to dust. Others should also learn to recognize this truth.

17. What do you mean by "kinship loyalty"?

We must of course give loyal service to anyone or any concept to whom or to which loyalty is due. But we owe our loyalty in the fullest degree to our immediate family and to those who are related to us by blood-ties or blood-brotherhood. A husband owes loyalty to his wife, for instance, and vice versa, just as a son owes loyalty to his parents to a greater extent than to anyone outside the immediate family circle. Beyond that we owe allegiance to our own country and racial kindred before we can even consider giving it to strangers who must therefore have the last call upon us. But there may be occasions when loyalty to nation and kin must transcend even our loyalty to our own family.

This concern for kin is an essential part of Odinist teaching. More than twelve centuries ago the Christian proselytizer, Boniface, wrote of the Odinists, "Have pity on them, because even they themselves are accustomed to say, "We are of one blood and one bone". Filial love, patriotism and kinship loyalty are religious principles still adhered to by Odinists. In the words of the Edda:

We shall help our kinsmen as foot helps foot
If one foot stumbles then shall the other restore balance.

18. You seem to have an exaggerated respect for things like law and order! What about unjust laws?

No, not an "exaggerated respect for law and order"; just regard for the rules by which civilized man must live. But laws, to be just, must apply equally to all citizens and groups without discrimination. Odinists certainly have a duty to oppose what they regard as unjust laws but in doing so they accept the consequences of their opposition and do not expect to be given exemption or favorable treatment.

19. What view do Odinists take of modern, enlightened substitutes for traditional, repressive forms of punishment? Do you agree that the wrong-doer in our society is more often than not the victim of his environment and that we are thus all guilty?

Odinists refuse to accept responsibility for the actions of others. Just as it would be wrong to accept credit for another person's merits so it is wrong to relieve the wrong-doer of responsibility for his actions. "Crime should be blazoned abroad by its retribution," wrote Tacitus. Punishment should be an unpleasant and memorable experience. Those in authority who neglect to punish the criminal adequately place themselves in the position of being accessories after the fact. Odinists believe that anyone who seriously or continually flouts the law should forfeit for a period of time his rights to protection under that law; enemies of the community should not be permitted to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds!

20. The Sixth Charge speaks about putting no faith in the pledged word of a stranger people. What is meant by "a stranger people"?

By "a stranger people" we mean those from different cultures than our own. It is a warning that words often mean different things to different peoples, that their standards are not always the same as our own. It is simply one of those things in life that ought to be widely known and appreciated but does not seem to be!

21. Please explain the Ninth Charge, which speaks of "the decrees of the Norns". Who or where are the Norns?

The Norns are the three Fates of Northern mythology, the Goddesses of time. They are named Urd (the past), Verdande (the present) and Skuld (the future). They watch over man; they spin his thread of fate at his birth and mark out with it the limits of his sphere of action through life; their decrees are inviolable destiny, their dispensations inevitable necessity. Urd and Verdande, the past and present, may be seen as stretching a web from the radiant dawn of life to the glowing sunset, while Skuld, the future tears it to pieces!

Man's fate must be met but the way in which it is met rests with the individual; and by the way in which he meets his fate man is able to demonstrate his free will. This important principle shows a man that it is worth while fighting life's battles courageously while at the same time fate's inexorable nature allows no room for careful weighing of arguments for and against or for anxiety about the nature of things that are in any case destined to happen.

22. What other aspects of human behavior are admired by Odinists?

The Noble Virtues are held in high esteem. They are:

Courage
Truth
Honor
Fidelity
Discipline
Hospitality
Industriousness
Self-reliance
Perseverance
The Odinist must do what lies before him without fear of either foes, friends or the Norns. He must hold his own council, speak his mind and seek fame without respect of persons; be free, independent and daring in his actions; act with gentleness and generosity towards friends and kinsmen but be stern and grim to his enemies (but even towards the latter to feel bound to fulfill necessary duties); be as forgiving to some as he is unyielding and unforgiving to others. He should be neither trucebreaker nor oathbreaker and utter nothing against any person that he would not say to his face. These are the broad principles of Odinist behavior, features of the spirit that made our Northern peoples great.

23. You call industriousness a Noble Virtue? What is so spiritual about that?

Industriousness is a virtue which, partly inherited, is nevertheless acquired largely through training and self-discipline; it is at once something we owe to ourselves, to our family and to the community. There is a time for relaxation as there is a time for most things but it is not, for instance, during our working hours; neither should it be at the expense of other members of the community by way of the so-called welfare state.

24. What about material possessions?

A principle of Odinism is the realization of the worthlessness and fleeting nature of worldly possessions. Enough should be enough. Adam of Bremen, a Christian, remarked how Odinists with whom he had come into contact "lack nothing of what we revere except our arrogance. They have no acquisitive love of gold, silver, splendid chargers, the furs of beaver and marten or any of the other possessions we pine for". One thing alone is worth while in this life: the stability of a well-earned reputation. "Goods perish, friends perish, a man himself perishes," says the Edda "but fame never dies to him that hath won it worthily."

25. You describe self-reliance as one of the Noble Virtues. Surely even you must admit that none of us is, or can be, self-reliant in these days?

Self reliance does not, as you appear to suggest, imply selfishness or mean that a man must live in isolation from his fellows. We recognize that men are dependent upon Nature and on the community of which he forms part; he has obligations to that community as well as to his employer (or employees). He receives from society and he owes a debt to society. Odinism teaches that people must be encouraged to stand on their own feet and not to ask continually, "When is somebody going to do something for me?"

26. Do Odinists believe in prayer?

Odinism is not a philosophy invented to ease mankind's comfort or to assuage his fears; that kind of religion acts against rather than in man's interests because it takes from him his independence and self-respect and makes of him a humble supplicant by encouraging him to shed his responsibilities. The person who prays to a saint or God asking for help or guidance is seeking to shift the responsibility from his own shoulders, surrendering his own faculties of thought and physical action, unless he also does something to help himself. To pray is to beg and plead; it is self-abasement ("we worms of the earth"). That is not the object of true religion which, as Carlyle has told us, is "transcendent wonder": wonder without limit or measure, reverent admiration alike for the immensity of creation, the inspiration of the human heart and the capability of the human brain.

Odinists in their inveitan (praise); singular, inveita) call upon the Aesir to approach them in their thoughts as they themselves strive towards the Aesir. Through increased understanding is achieved wholeness, a unity with the Gods that helps us to think out our problems and how they may be overcome. We project the Gods within ourselves and that, externally realized, speaks to the divine in others. Through their invetian Odinists express gratitude for life and the world they live in and resolve to try to make it better - not just to leave it to "someone up there" or hope for something better in the next world.

27 How do Odinists regard good and evil?

Evil of itself cannot originate in man but must always be regarded as an intruder, like an illness or an affliction; as such it must be opposed and expelled. Good and evil are relative: there can be no absolute norm and actions must depend upon circumstances and motives as well as time and place. The ethical standards relating to custom and tradition are flexible and responsive to the specific demands of different ages, so that moral judgments of what is right and wrong cannot be placed in a fixed system of standards but must vary according to time and situation. Just as the world is constantly changing so are values constantly changing, so that nothing can be regarded as unconditionally good or evil in all ages. In general, that which disturbs the social order and peaceful evolution and causes unhappiness - including such natural disasters as floods and earthquakes, disease and pollution - obstructs the natural development of the world and must be regarded as evil. As for sin, Odinism knows but two major sins - perjury and murder: that is sin against the Gods and sin against one's fellow man.

28. Do you believe in Original sin?

Man is inherently good and the world in which he lives is good. There is no sin in man which has been inherited from his first, or any other, ancestor; it is enough that he should be held responsible for his own actions. But although his spirit is good, his flesh and his senses may succumb to evil, especially when by neglecting his own spiritual well- being he has left his defenses weakened. So it is necessary for him to be able to distinguish between what is good and what is evil.

29 What do Odinists believe about marriage - and divorce?

Odinists support the institution of marriage and marital fidelity. But a broken marriage is and unhappy marriage and traditional Odinic law allows great latitude to separation of husband wife, at the will of both parties, if a good reason exists for the desired change. It is recognized that the worst possible service is rendered to those who are forced to live together against their will; but it must be borne in mind that marriage is basically a solemn exchange of vows between two people and as such can only be ended by agreement between the same two people.

30. Does Odinism offer salvation to those who believe?

Odinism offers no salvation in the sense in which that term is used by Christians. Instead, the Odinist seeks liberation by bringing the Aesir into the world of man and into his daily life - whether at home or at work. Liberation refers to the human condition as we know it, which is subject to birth and death and decay. It is not, " the kingdom of God which is with in you," but the Gods themselves which exist within man.

31. Does man possess an immortal soul? Is there a life after death and will people go to Odin in heaven?

Odinists believe that man consists of body (i.e. matter) and spirit or soul. Physical man is born, produces young and eventually dies. But the whole of Nature shows us that death is not final: the material body decomposes and recombines, it is regenerated and lives again. As it was in the beginning so it is now; every atom continues to exist and must exist as in the beginning. There is nothing new under the sun and what we call death is really nothing more than transformation.

Spiritual man is divided into two distinct souls, one passive, the other active, the divine and the human, which we call God-soul and human-soul. The first is in the fullest sense a divine being, contemplating a past eternity and a future immortality, occupying itself in contemplation rather than in action and to be regarded as a kind of guardian spirit. Although the God-soul and the material body are associated in this life, the former is not bound to man in the way that, say, a limb is (it may indeed absent itself from his body during sleep or periods of unconsciousness). Without the spirit there can be no motivation: when the physical change (i.e. death) takes place the God-soul passes to another living organism -a human being, a tree, an animal, perhaps a bird. This is the element that gives man his mystical attachment to a particular district or country (which is what we call patriotism): because it is where the God-souls of countless generations of ancestors dwell. It is because of this that man is compelled to nurture, love and defend his country, which is, in the purest sense, a holy land. The philosopher Fichte said, "Death is the ladder by which my spiritual vision rises to anew life and a new nature." This is also the reason why Odinists regard all life as sacred and unnecessary violence as criminal.

The human-soul (or self-soul), is essentially individual to a particular person. It may be likened to his personality, his fame or his infamy. Because the whole of man's life is a continuing struggle of the good and light Gods on the one hand and the offspring of chaotic matter (the giants, Nature's disturbing forces) on the other, the human-soul is extremely active. It is involved in a struggle that extends to man's innermost being: both the human-soul and the God-soul proceed from the Gods; but the body be longs to the world of giants and they struggle for supremacy. If the human-soul conquers by virtue and courage then it goes after death to Valhalla, to fight in concert with the Gods against the evil powers. If on the other hand the body conquers and links the spirit to itself by weakness then after man's death the human-soul sinks to the world of the giants and joins itself with the evil powers in their warfare against the Gods. Long after his individual identity has been forgotten a man's human-soul, absorbed into the corporate spirit of the regiment, college, village, nation or other group, continues to demonstrate its immortality by inspiring future generations to noble deeds - or to acts of degradation.

32. If the God-soul migrates to other living things after death, how can you square this with, for example, the need to slaughter livestock in order to sustain human life? Isn't it rather like killing a God?

The God-soul must not be confused with the being that it inhabits. Animals, birds and trees have always been regarded by Odinists with respect; it is indeed probable that the domestication of some creatures arose from their former sacred character. Every living thing is a manifestation of the divine and its spirit is immortal: every time a tree is felled or an animal slaughtered it is indeed a kind of sacrifice. But the tree or the animal is only a temporary dwelling-place for the immortal God. Everything in Nature has a purpose and it is necessary in order that life may be sustained in others for such "sacrifices" to be made. Such an attitude encourages consideration and reverence for Nature and discourages its wanton despoliation. It is the unnecessary, cruel or unnatural killing of animals (or of human beings), the unjustifiable destruction of trees or landscape and the defiling of natural resources, that is wrong.

33. You have mentioned "ancestral spirits". Does this mean that Odinists believe in ancestor-worship?

The human-souls of one's own family ancestors provide us with moral strength and inspiration. Just as we received our spirit from Odin, so we received our physical being through our parents and our ancestors from time memorial. Our respect for ancestors maintains the continuity of the family, the kin and the race. We have a duty to try to attain the ideals of our ancestors and an equal duty of cherishing our descendants so that they in their turn will come to understand and realize our own hopes and ideals. Life is continuing process: we must try to visualize ourselves as ancestors; for ancestors and descendants are genealogically one. Edmund Burke once remarked that society was a partnership between those who were living, those who are dead and those yet to be born; past and present and future are seen as a continuing evolvement and must be looked upon as complete being.

34. What kind of status do women have within the Odinist community?

Odinists do not need reminding of women's rights! Our religion anciently held women in high honor: not only are Goddesses included in the Odinist pantheon, but, when the Odinist priesthood is restored, all offices will be open to women just as they were before the Christian usurpation relegated them to permanent backbenches of religious life.

35. What are the chief festivals of the Odinic Rite?

In ancient times there were three great festivals: Yule (the Mid-Winter Festival), Summer Finding (or spring equinox) and Winter Finding (autumn equinox). To these we nowadays add the Midsummer Festival.

Yule, the popular Festival of Mid-Winter (sometimes called the Festival of Light), heralds the beginning of the Odinist year. It is the birthday of the unconquered sun, which at this time begins to new vigor after its autumnal decline when, having descended into darkness, it pauses, kindles the fire of germination and ascends renewed with the fruit of hope. The Mid-Winter Festival includes the Twelve Nights of Yule, encapsulating the twelve months of the year in miniature, and culminates in the celebration of Twelfth Night.

Summer Finding, in March, is the Festival of Odin. It celebrates the renewal, or resurrection, of Nature after the darkness of winter. It was transformed by the Christians into their Easter (named after the Odinist Goddess of the Saxons, Ostara), Rogation and Whitsun and was also recalled in folk custom by the festivities of May Day.

The Midsummer Festival, the Feast of Balder, is the great celebration of the triumph of light and the sun.

Winter Finding mourns the death of summer and heralds the coming of autumn. It is dedicated to the god Frey, patron of the harvest, and is also sometimes called the Charming of the Fruits of Earth, when we render thanks for the years supply of life-giving foods.

36. What other Odinist festivals are there?

Besides the great festivals there are a number of secondary festivals and also some commemorations of local Gods or various aspects of life.

The secondary festivals of the Odinic Rite are:

The Charming of the Plough, January 3
The festival of Vali, Febuary 14, which commemorates the family and is an occasion for betrothals, the renewal of marriage vows and vows of kinship loyalty.
The festival of the Einheriar on November 11, known as Heroes' day, which honors the dead.

37. What is the Odinist Committee?

The committee for the Restoration of the Odinic Rite (to give its full title) was set up on April 23, 1973 with the limited objects of restoring Odinist ritual and ceremonies, to define Odinist faith and doctrine and to constitute a teaching order of gothar (singular: gothi, meaning priest of teacher). When these immediate objects have been achieved the Committee will disband. In the past not a great deal of attention was paid to systematizing the doctrinal aspects of Odinism and consequently the body of writing on the subject has remained limited and uneven. The Odinist Committee will place the worship of the Aesir on a more formal and permanent basis.

38. How do I go about becoming an Odinist?

First of all by understanding, then by believing. You do not have to "be born again" but you are expected to live your whole life according to the Odinist precepts. There is a ceremony of reception (or initiation) into the Odinist community for those who wish it. The secretary of the Odinist Committee, 10 Trinity Green, London, E1, will be able to tell you whether there is an Odinist group in your neighborhood or, if there is not one, how you may form one.

39. Can the Odinist Committee supply me with a list of Odinist temples and shall I be permitted to attend some of the inveitan?

There are at present no Odinist hofs (temples) in Great Britain open for public worship. Odinism starts with the individual and extends, through the family, to the community and the world. So with worship, which is at present practiced mostly at family level, the festivals of the Odinist year being celebrated in the home, with friends and other Odinist sometimes being invited to participate. But it is expected that various regional meeting places will be authorized when eventually the ritual of Odinist worship has been fully restored and gothar licensed by the successor body to the Odinist committee.

These things are thought the best:

Fire, the sight of the sun,
Good health with the gift to keep it,
And a life that avoids vice.

The High Song of Odin1

Oskorei
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Great find, Sigurd. :)

I especially liked this part:


Odinists recognize man's spiritual kinship with Nature, that within himself are in essence all that is in the greater world, which perform within him the same functions as in the world. Thus there are in man the four elements, the vegetative life of plants, an ethereal body - the god- soul - corresponding to the heavens, the sense of animals, of spiritual things and reason and understanding. Because in this way man comprises all the parts of the world within himself he is thus a true image of the Gods.
Also containing the essence of the universe within themselves, the Gods are everywhere and in everything: they show themselves to us as fire, as a flower, as a tree. Odinists believe that all life should be lived in communion and in accord with the mind of the Gods. Christianity turned away from Nature and concentrated its adherents' attention on the human soul and became obsessed with the fall of man, by which it was implied that man had brought all Nature down into sin with him. Christian teaching encouraged man to see Nature only in her physical form whereas Odinists regard Nature as a true manifestation of the divine. "We and the cosmos are one," wrote D. H. Lawrence, "The cosmos is a vast living body, of which we are still part. The sun is the great heart whose tremors run through our smallest veins. The moon is a great gleaming nerve-center from which we quiver forever Now all this is literally true, as men knew in the great past and as they will know again." Whoever shall properly know himself and all things in himself shall know the Gods. The Odinist, because of his awareness of his relationship with Nature, is able to feel a consanguineous kinship with plants and animals and the land - a complete oneness.

Sigel
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 03:50 PM
A very good, informative post. Are you an Odinist?

æþeling
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Have a look at the Odinic Rite website for a lot of interesting articles:

http://www.odinic-rite.org/News/newsarchive.htm

:hveðrungur:
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 09:47 PM
Great find, Sigurd. :)

If by find you mean just copy and pasting it from another heathen forum then yes (I posted the original ;) ) Im sure he didn't even take the time to add the bold quotes, probably quoted the old original post and copied it to his clipboard :P

Sigurd
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 10:01 PM
If by find you mean just copy and pasting it from another heathen forum then yes (I posted the original ;) ) Im sure he didn't even take the time to add the bold quotes, probably quoted the old original post and copied it to his clipboard :P

This wasn't actually possible...being a Mod specifically for the German forum doesn't make you able to quote closed topics in a different one...

Apart from which, this is 1) in the Pagan Libary, and 2) it's by the Odinic Rite, so I decided that maybe it wasn't necessary to ask you ;)

Sigurd
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Great find, Sigurd. :)

I especially liked this part:

To be honest, it wasn't much of a find... check a few places, and know the article, easy as that... it is (or was) on the page of the Odinic Rite; it is in the Pagan Library (and yes it is on odinist.com as well...)

:hveðrungur:
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 10:34 PM
This wasn't actually possible...being a Mod specifically for the German forum doesn't make you able to quote closed topics in a different one...

Apart from which, this is 1) in the Pagan Libary, and 2) it's by the Odinic Rite, so I decided that maybe it wasn't necessary to ask you ;)

Hey kid, read the one posted on O.com and read the others posted elsewhere. I revised the version on Odinist.com, that was written before there were 9 noble virtues (which a few I had to add) among other things. I corrected various spelling mistakes, added parts missing since that was written in the early 80's so.

You got my PM. Read it.

Sigurd
Sunday, October 16th, 2005, 12:02 AM
Added reference to the author at the top of the post. Satisfied? ;)

:hveðrungur:
Sunday, October 16th, 2005, 04:58 AM
I didn't write it but if you got that version from Odinist.com then it is the one I edited and revised because that was originally written in the early 1980's by the Odinic Rite. They missed a bit of info in the one version that is currently floating around online, I edited it for mistakes and added what was missing. For exmaple, the original was written before the nine noble virtues were the nine noble virtues and I had to add a few which were missing among other things.

Sigurd
Saturday, November 12th, 2005, 12:02 AM
A very good, informative post. Are you an Odinist?

One could say so, yes. :D

Sigurd
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:45 AM
I think this topic should maybe be a "viktigt". (um, sorry, I mean "sticky" of course...) For it gives people a good general insight into the whole thing.

signofthehammer
Sunday, September 7th, 2008, 06:17 PM
Never really trusted the Odinic Rite. A lot of their assertions about our ancient path seem to be based on dubious scholarship if not outright conjecture. Furthermore, despite their stance, they appear to work subtle tones of judeo-christian morality into their doctrine. Which brings me to my biggest problem with them; they have a doctrine. They seem to want to create some organised religion out of the heathen path. Even the name Odinism is ridiculous. It's not an -ism. It lives in our blood.

Sigurd
Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Never really trusted the Odinic Rite. A lot of their assertions about our ancient path seem to be based on dubious scholarship if not outright conjecture. Furthermore, despite their stance, they appear to work subtle tones of judeo-christian morality into their doctrine. Which brings me to my biggest problem with them; they have a doctrine. They seem to want to create some organised religion out of the heathen path. Even the name Odinism is ridiculous. It's not an -ism. It lives in our blood.

I find it interesting that these assertions come and would certainly care to know where your great experience with the Odinic Rite comes from. I've been a member of the OR, and quite honestly, I can't see where you are coming from.

Dubious scholarship, where? How much have you read, anyway? Only if you've been through all the scholars could you make such a statement. Of course, if your worldview is only restricted to the Eddas, or localised, then I doubt that you'll be able to do that. All that needs to be referenced, I have seen correctly referenced, often in small footnotes. If you demonise the hammer sign, then you should re-read Heimskringla. Then, Rydberg and Grimm for example mention all types of different things. And other than that, don't forget that Odinism is a dynamic faith and that thus not all will be referenced. Sure Runic Stances aren't in the Eddas but if other Indogermanic groups have and had meditational practices, it would only stand to reason that a similar thing existed in our latitudes, so why not practice them?

Also, We don't know how much was lost in the process of Christianisation (It is told that during Charlemagne's campain to Saxony, hundreds and thousands of books were eradicated) so obviously there will always be some room for speculation, and to personal interpretation. It's what makes a difference between the essayist and the philosopher. The former analyses things, the other interprets them. Bear also in mind that for every article written and for every book published, what remains to be said is that it is the personal opinion of a member and not necessarily the overall view in the Odinic Rite.

Also, remember it is is "Odinism in the Modern World". So of course we are going to practice ancient traditions and seek to preserve them, but it doesn't mean we have to stop there. Our ancestors did not engage in anachronisms, in fact were very progressive. Just because we decide that our folk did not stop evolving when Christianity came to these lands, doesn't mean that we take over Judeo-Christian customs. Celebrating St.George's day as Sigurd's day stands to reason since the entire myth of St. George was concocted from the legend of Sigurd/Siegfried. And of course, locally, f.ex. the Perchtenlauf is now associated with more Christian matters but in fact is just a Christianisation of the Wild Hunt, a thoroughly Heathen festival. And even if traditions were invented during Christianity, then it doesn't necessarily mean that they are Christian in essence, unless they are so closely connected to the church that it is impossible otherwise.

As to the Judeo-Christian morality, would you care to point out examples, so I can comment on them?

Finally, to address the "doctrine"/"dogma". That is a heap of bs and I fail to see where you take that one from. Of course there will be a general accepted view of matters, but that is only natural for an organisation. However, members are free to have their own interpretation: Now one has demonised a fellow Ritesman (who also happens to post here as æþeling) for preferring to see the Gods as archetypes, for example. Like everywhere else, there is the facts - the lore and traditions - and there is their interpretation. As concerns dogma, I haven't seen that anywhere in the OR. Sure, many of us will agree on many matters, but that is not because the OR dictates a dogma/doctrine per se, it is rather because people who think alike will gather. Thus the same thing could easily be said about other organisations and/or groups.


Even the name Odinism is ridiculous. It's not an -ism. It lives in our blood.

Says he who quotes his religion as "Anglo Saxon Heathenism" in his profile? :D

If you had taken a brief look beyond the facette and done as much as downloaded the freely downloadable flyers from the OR homepage, then you would know that there is an explanation for using the term "Odinism".

I'm not going to quote, but will paraphrase it for you in my own words.

It is evident that our ancestors did not need a name for their faith: It was the only they knew. Being of a certain folk group immediately meant that you were of a certain faith, as it encompassed all parts of life. But in this day and age where all types of alien creeds are around us, we need a name for our religion to identify it as ours.

One of the main reasons why "Odinism" was chosen for use in the OR is that it was the first name used for the religion by academics in the 19th century and likewise the name used by early prominent figures with whom we see a certain affinity in the revival, such as Alexander Rudd Mills or Else Christensen.

That's it in a nutshell, feel free to ask further questions if needed. But please do not assume about matters you don't know about, as it is clearly always easier to criticise something as an outsider. It is rude to presume merely on the basis of hearsay and then without giving reasons for your rationale.

Thank you. Sigurd hath spoken.;)

Thrymheim
Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Now one has demonised a fellow Ritesman (who also happens to post here as æþeling) for preferring to see the Gods as archetypes,

This is as far as I can see a very common view in the rite, even if it is not classed as doctrine by some, it certainly is by others.

signofthehammer
Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 11:27 PM
The OR does not encourage multiple memberships of organisations as we believe that this dilutes any potential energy available for a specific task. Whilst we may allow members of other organisations to join the OR we would expect that their first loyalty be to the OR.

Sounds like a church to me.


We recognise that one day these people will be released into our communities and so it is in all of our interests to aid them in thier quest to live a nobler life through Odinism.

Again. Reeks of Judeo-Christian morality. Law was pivotal to our ancestors. Hell it's a norse word. Law breakers would be banished. They were literally 'out-of-the-law'. They lost the protection of their community and could be legally killed. We shouldn't want these people released back into our communities. Salvation is for Christians.


Study of the runes is encouraged in Odinism. It should be remembered that the runes are far more than a divination system as is so often portrayed. Moreover they are a part of the Odinic system and the Odinic system alone. Attempts to merge or fit them to other systems, e.g.the Qabbalah, is pointless and will not lead to any deep understanding of our Runic system - though it may and often does lead to self-delusion.
On the other hand, those who believe that runes and runology are the be-all-and-end-all of Odinism have too narrow a vision of the runes, a shallow knowledge of their mysteries and a lack of understanding of the meaning of religion. The runes are the essential mystical ingredient of Odinism but not its sum total.

BS. That's just made up. There's no historical basis for most of those assertions. Furthermore, we have no idea how, or even if in fact, the runes were used for divination. Moreover, magic was not something for the everyday person to practice. Only those with the seidh could practice magic, and they were more often than not women. It was a dangerous and powerful force not to me tampered with by the common man.


Under no circumstances are members permitted to use Odinism as a tool for the promotion of their political views.

If that's the case most people i've encountered from the Odinic Rite should be thrown out of the organisation.


Odinism is a living religion...

Our ancestors wouldn't have understood the concept of having a religion.


And my listed faith as 'Anglo-Saxon Heathenism' is a term most people will understand. I don't consider myself a 'heathenist' and i'd never describe being heathen as a religion. When people ask me about my spirituality I say I follow the old custom or the old ways.

Thrymheim
Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 11:32 PM
BS. That's just made up. There's no historical basis for most of those assertions. Furthermore, we have no idea how, or even if in fact, the runes were used for divination.

I believe Tacticus gives a reference and even says that the runes were written on sticks thrown up in the air, caught on a white cloth and then three were picked out and used for just that purpose. Ok so he doesn't name them runes but I doubt anyone will think of anything else that they could have been.




If that's the case most people i've encountered from the Odinic Rite should be thrown out of the organisation.
No we may have political opinions but you don't use the Rite or Heathenry in general to push them.

Sigurd
Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Sounds like a church to me.

Oh, come off it, will ya? How does this sound like a church?

It is more like a "you can't dance at two weddings at the same time" type of thing. From experience, "badge collectors" are a negative phenomenon. If you are a member of two organisations, then you can only be active for one organisation at a time. Likewise, if there should ever be a conflict of interests between two groups, you can of course only be loyal to one: Or have you ever heard of a country that was allied to two warring sides?

There we go, it's not a clear cut "you cannot be a member of another organisation" but since the OR is an active and dynamic organisation, it advises to be member of only one of them. Professed/oath-bound members of other groups are not accepted at all, because it should be assumed that one who is oath-bound is to give full loyalty to the other group instead.

There are still members who hold dual memberships, but in the vast majority of the cases, their prime loyalty lies with the OR.

This "clause" is not a sectarianist one, it is a common sense one.


Again. Reeks of Judeo-Christian morality. Law was pivotal to our ancestors. Hell it's a norse word. Law breakers would be banished. They were literally 'out-of-the-law'. They lost the protection of their community and could be legally killed. We shouldn't want these people released back into our communities. Salvation is for Christians.

First of all, can you banish the phrase "norse word" out of your vocabular? It is a word common to all Germanic languages, even though German prefers to use the word "Recht" which means "right" instead.

Secondly, you are incorrect about your information here. There were two types of outlawry in ancient Icelandic society. One was surely permanent outlawry, but another was temporary, i.e. the person was outlawed for 3 years and was then allowed to return to their homeland as it was seen that they had served the punishment for their deeds.

Even though I am not impartial to the "outlawry" system I see the difference in the following: A permanent outlaw is now sentenced to life and a temporary outlaw is one released after his sentence has elapsed or has proven good conduct beyond all doubt.

And again, you see things too one sided. It is not salvation to be given another chance after serving your punishment, in fact it would reek of Judeo-Christian mindset if all who misstep once were to be locked away for life: Eternal damnation, original sin ... sounds a little Christian to me.

Odinism instead recognises that sometimes people overstep that which is legal but that they might learn from their mistakes and, upon finding Odinism in prison that will guide them to a nobler lifestyle, they will refrain from doing so in the future. And don't you worry, the OR has the most "rigorous" of the prison outreach systes of all orgs, it doesn't accept just any idiot, but is extremely careful as to whom it accepts, and those convicted of sexual crimes or those involving children are not considered at all.

Our ancestors knew this possibility of proving oneself again: You would only receive permanent banishment for the most serious of felonies, but as a general rule you would have to sit out your punishment but have the chance to prove yourself again afterwards. So in fact, our Law system is less built on Canon (i.e. Church) Law than it is built upon ancient Germanic law traditions.

Futile to argue this one with a Law student, by the way. ;)


BS. That's just made up. There's no historical basis for most of those assertions. Furthermore, we have no idea how, or even if in fact, the runes were used for divination. Moreover, magic was not something for the everyday person to practice.

In "Interview with a Gothi" Heimgest DCG clearly states that whilst not every one can be a rune master, in the same vein that a society also needs the growers, the builders, etc., a certain amount of knowledge is appreciated.

Like Thrymheim said, Tacitus gives reference to Runes being used for divination, and there are several examples of Runes being used by a common man in Egil's Saga, just to name a few.


Only those with the seidh could practice magic, and they were more often than not women. It was a dangerous and powerful force not to me tampered with by the common man.

1. Seidhr was not the only type of "magic", not even the only form of shamanism/divination/etc. The lore knows many. Others were not exclusively practiced by women, and there is a case to be made that through the fact that Odin himself was taught Seidhr by Freya, that it was not only reserved for women ... but that is of course up to debate.

2. No master is born, and practice makes perfect. It is evident that no apprentice carpenter is going to make a table for the royal household and when you learn scuba diving you don't even see water for the first few lessons, and the swimming pool at best. Likewise, whilst I agree that the Runes are not to be tampered with lightly, here applies the common man's common sense, as to how deeply he will involve himself when he clearly lacks the knowledge.


If that's the case most people i've encountered from the Odinic Rite should be thrown out of the organisation.

Heimgest and Asrad, pretty much in conjunction, offered a good way of putting it a while ago: "One should not bring their politics into Odinism, if at all they should bring their Odinism into their politics." Basically, this means, that obviously, where certain matters are congruent, such as preservation of folk traditions, they can be used alongside. But other than that, people may have all types of political views but hold and practice those as free people, not in the function of their membership in the OR.

You know how it's meant. It is to keep away those WP idiots claiming "Hitler did Odin's work 100%" etc.

Besides that, point out to me where you have seen an OR member abusing their Odinism as an excuse for their politics. I fail to see much of that happening. If you're talking about certain "political types" that were present in the past, all of them have been purged a while ago and whilst the OR still holds political activists amongst their membership, when they bear the OR banner, they are first and foremost activists, and are reminded to leave their politics at the door.


Our ancestors wouldn't have understood the concept of having a religion.

Well, if you will, do the Wittgenstein syndrome and nitpick at "misuse" of words. Call it faith then, if you will or something of the like.

Other than that people often confused "religion" with "Abrahamic religion", and you seem to be counted amongst them. I am sure that you would not hesitate to f.ex. label Hinduism as a religion ... yet all it is, is really Heathenry For Indians if you will, and like Odinism originally an organic faith that encompasses all areas of life.


And my listed faith as 'Anglo-Saxon Heathenism' is a term most people will understand. I don't consider myself a 'heathenist' and i'd never describe being heathen as a religion. When people ask me about my spirituality I say I follow the old custom or the old ways.

See above. That is nitpicking. If you practice Blot, then you obviously practice it as a religion/faith, for you are doing active worship of the gods. I know many Christians who follow old customs or old ways that have never even heard of our Gods ... in fact, the best example for those holding at old customs without adding new ones would be the Amish. That is not a way to describe your spirituality, that's a way to define your cultural heritage, really. It may often have religious roots that one chooses to follow a certain type of custom, but it doesn't have to be, which is why one has to differentiate between those who follow the customs and the gods, and those who follow just the gods. One is a culturally interested individual, the other one is a religious person.

emperorlives
Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 02:04 AM
I enjoy reading the bitching back and forth about the OR here.... Quite entertaining.

All heathen orgs have their ups and downs and bad apples, no doubt.... The only thing that we can truly do correctly is support our folk in every way possible.... One should not need an organization for such an endeavor.

I do my part by educating those that are ignorant to the Germanic path, others do money donations, others mod boards, etc.

Kriegersohn
Friday, September 12th, 2008, 01:36 AM
First of all, can you banish the phrase "norse word" out of your vocabular? It is a word common to all Germanic languages, even though German prefers to use the word "Recht" which means "right" instead.

Secondly, you are incorrect about your information here. There were two types of outlawry in ancient Icelandic society. One was surely permanent outlawry, but another was temporary, i.e. the person was outlawed for 3 years and was then allowed to return to their homeland as it was seen that they had served the punishment for their deeds.

Even though I am not impartial to the "outlawry" system I see the difference in the following: A permanent outlaw is now sentenced to life and a temporary outlaw is one released after his sentence has elapsed or has proven good conduct beyond all doubt.

And again, you see things too one sided. It is not salvation to be given another chance after serving your punishment, in fact it would reek of Judeo-Christian mindset if all who misstep once were to be locked away for life: Eternal damnation, original sin ... sounds a little Christian to me.

Odinism instead recognises that sometimes people overstep that which is legal but that they might learn from their mistakes and, upon finding Odinism in prison that will guide them to a nobler lifestyle, they will refrain from doing so in the future. And don't you worry, the OR has the most "rigorous" of the prison outreach systes of all orgs, it doesn't accept just any idiot, but is extremely careful as to whom it accepts, and those convicted of sexual crimes or those involving children are not considered at all.

Our ancestors knew this possibility of proving oneself again: You would only receive permanent banishment for the most serious of felonies, but as a general rule you would have to sit out your punishment but have the chance to prove yourself again afterwards. So in fact, our Law system is less built on Canon (i.e. Church) Law than it is built upon ancient Germanic law traditions.

Futile to argue this one with a Law student, by the way. ;)

I believe the terms you are looking for in this discussion in regards to outlawry are Full and Lesser Outlawry.:D Both require banishment and shunning from society or the community, although some stipulations can be made. Lesser Outlawry was traditionally three years but could be modified by the local/regional Thing or Althing or in the event it went into arbitration (which is also possible). Also, outlawry differed a little dependant on region (ie: Iceland, England, Germany, etc).

References:

Laws of Early Iceland: Grágás. The Codex Regius of Grágás with Material from Other Manuscripts, vol. I, trans. by Andrew Dennis, Peter Foote, Richard Perkins. Winnipeg: U of Manitoba P, 1980

Byock, Jesse L., Medieval Iceland: Society, Sagas, and Power, University of California Press, Berkeley, CA 1990

Byock, Jesse L., Viking Age Iceland, Penguin Books, New York, NY, 2001

Miller, William I., Bloodtaking and Peacemaking: Feud, Law, and Society in Saga Iceland, University of Chicago Press, Chicago, IL, 1997

Kellogg, Robert, The Sagas of Icelanders, Penguin Books, New York, NY 2001

Just a start for those interested. :)

Otherwise, Sigurd: Thanks for posting this!
FFF/HTR
Ragnar

Oswiu
Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 01:41 AM
(although some of the people of Ross-shire were still worshipping the old Gods as late as the seventeenth century).
What did the author have in mind here? The man who slaughtered a bull on an island in Loch Maree in the early modern period (which I dimly remember reading about on a plaque beside this Holy Loch a few months ago)? Was there any specific connection with Germanic deities involved? I doubt it.

Odinist Vikings, who dedicated the country (Ireland) to the god Thor.
I love the sound of that, but who said so? What's the authority for that? It could be interpreted in a nasty way, like how Varus's men were dedicated to the Gods back in the Teutobergerwald... :-O

Ajaxhan
Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 05:21 AM
Even the sign of the cross is really the sign of Thor's hammer!

This is somewhat misleading. The cross didn't actually originate from Thor's hammer. However, its origins are pagan. It is true that it's similarity to Thor's hammer probably made it easier for Germanics to embrace though, so I can definitely see the correlation.


Dr. Bullinger, in the Companion Bible, appx. 162, states, "crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god ... It should be stated that Constantine was a Sun-god worshipper ... The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle."

Rev. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, pp. 197-205, frankly calls the cross "this Pagan symbol ... the Tau, the sign of the cross, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah ... the mystic Tau of the Cladeans (Babylonians) and Egyptians - the true original form of the letter T the initial of the name of Tammuz ... the Babylonian cross was the recognised emblem of Tammuz."

In the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th edition, vol. 14, p. 273, we read, "In the Egyption churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner." Jacob Grimm, in his Deutsche Mythologie, says that the Teutonic (Germanic) tribes had their idol Thor, symbolised by a hammer, while the Roman Christians had their crux (cross). It was thus somewhat easier for the Teutons to accept the Roman Cross. http://www.albatrus.org/english/religions/pagan/origin_of_cross.htm

Dreyrithoka
Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 05:40 AM
I recently met a person who was in possession of OR texts from the formative days, and I must admit they read quite differently from the books I have purchased from them of late. My interest arose due to them seeming to be the only legitimate Odinic group in the UK, although if anyone may tell me of others, do let me know. The Odinic Brotherhood don't count, however, as pseudo-secret societies with published books available in stores fail by default.

Anyway, to get back on-topic, I found the old texts offered read seemed a tad more misogynistic and a fair bit more to the right than the current texts. I have no examples to hand, but I shall see if my friend can come down soon so I may transcribe a few bits. I was wondering if our resident members of the Rite might be able to shed some light upon their plight throughout this time of transition, and maybe help me realise how they managed to come up with so much for "The Book of Blotar", which to me seems somewhat too full, what with monthly rituals et cetera...

Hemming Wotansson
Saturday, May 16th, 2009, 06:58 PM
Whem it comes to Odinism I like this article:

FUNDAMENTALODINISM
by Dr. Casper Odinson Cröwell, 1519-CCG
Herjan, SONS OF ODIN, 1519-Vinland Kindred
HOLY NATION OF ODIN, Inc.
There are many among our folk today in what constitutes the western world, whom subscribe
to one form or another, of what may loosely be regarded as Paganism, or Northern
Heathenry. Arguably, the best known among such spiritual paths, one would find Odinism
and its next of kin, Ásatrú. While the two paths are indeed nearly hard to discern at times,
and even argued by some to be one in the same, they ARE in fact, two separate paths.
More so, many who define their spiritual path as Odinism, bears very little resemblance to
that which Fundamental Odinists adhere to in their spiritual endeavors.
Fundamental Odinists harbor the belief that there is an all pervading divine spirit
which manifests itself throughout the cosmos and the laws of nature and is therefore selfevident
within the realm of nature. For us, that divine spirit is the Allfather Odin, whom
without, all else would fail to be possible. The Allfather Odin IS pure spirit and the primordial
conscious thought of the Aryan people. He too is thereafter, the very will of that first
thought. Our Gods and Goddesses are therefore manifestations of the spirit that is the Allfather
Odin.
We do not bow our heads or bend our knees before our Gods. We do not worship
them as our masters. We honor them as children should their parents. We seek to emulate
their noble qualities and conduct ourselves and live our lives with a great degree of personal
strength, honor and courage, just as our noble ancestors did prior to the advent of
Christianity and their forced conversion thereto said faith! Our Gods are our kin and
friends. We are their descendants...their living folk.
We advocate and promote the Germanic Tribal system as opposed to the minute,
albeit not discounted, Viking Era model which is so popular within the Ásatrú community
at large the world over. We acknowledge that while the Viking Era had indeed made vast
contributions to the overall corpus of what constitutes the history of the Aryan people, it
too was that very era's corruption of our indigenous religious beliefs which ushered in the
alien and Bedouin Christian faith among our unsuspecting ancestors. It must further be
asserted that it was during that era that the noble virtue of loyalty to one's kin/folk, became
bankrupt in lieu of the enticing lures of non-folk fornications in foreign lands. Whereas the
Germanic Tribal system may be traced back in time for millennia prior to the Viking Era
and for all that time, by what was chronicled by the likes of both Herodotus and Tacitus,
our ancestors possessed a great love and respect for the virtue of loyalty to their native culture
and heritage. Such remained inexorably in tact up to the latter part of the Viking Era!

We believe that nothing is more sacred than our blood! For therein lies the
complete entirety of our ancestry, both Gods and Folk. We promote a genuine respect
for our spiritual leadership and Elders and we recognize the full merits of structure, hierarchy
and the ordained Gothar (Priesthood). We hold that tradition does not seek to
store the cold ashes of the past, but rather, seeks to keep the flame alive for future generations.
We hold that our holy and sacred Rites and Ceremonies ARE NOT open to
the general public, for either scrutiny or criticisms. And that only those of our folk may
bear witness to, or participate in our holy Rites, or those of our folk whom are sincerely
seeking to learn about the noble spiritual beliefs of our ancestors.
We fully acknowledge that the Groves are indeed sacred and play a major role
in outdoor Rites. But we hold that the Hof (Temple) is equally as sacred and indeed, to
the HOLY NATION OF ODIN, Inc., our Hofs are as they once were in elder days, and
now are once again, our houses of the holy.
We hold that the Eddas, Sagas, Lore and myths are all certainly valid learning
texts wherefore discovery and comprehension of our spiritual beliefs are in regard. They
are filled with hidden mysteries and knowledge and wisdom designed by elder skalds
and chroniclers to be rediscovered by their descendants one day(us today and future
generations to come) and to be merely tales of entertainment to the unintended peruser
throughout the ages. Albeit, we further fully accept that these chronicles, for all their
value, have long since been tainted with the corruption of Christian scholars and a myriad
of interlopers with deliberate designs to cast an unfavorable light upon the noble
spiritual path which our ancestors both followed and left to us. Furthermore, we hold
that what constitutes the corpus of literary works of the Aryan people from antiquity to
the present time, warrants both the respect and study of our folk, and we vigorously
promote the study of these critical works of history, philosophy, art and all intellectual
medium as a valid means of restoring our own unique indigenous culture and heritage.
We promote fraternal solidarity among the Aryan people, both within and without our
particular spiritual community.
We firmly believe in the genuine concept of fate/destiny as predetermined by
the Norns (the Goddesses which govern all of our fates, including the Gods!) There is
an Old Norse saying; "If you are meant to hang, you won't drown!" This is not to infer
that we are without control over our own lives; for we do indeed harbor an honest belief
in self determination. That is to say that, the destination and time of departure from this
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life to the next may reside in the hands of the Norns (Skuld, more pointedly), but the
journey is ours to control through the vehicle of our own will and self determination.
We are extremely Pro Life! We constitute the world's minority due to low birth rates
and abortions. This is tantamount to self induced genocide… The family unit requires a
family!
We are unapologetically Folk oriented, which is to say that we are antiuniversalist.
We fully comprehend the inevitable destruction of all unique racial groups
and sub groups and their innate heritages and cultures that the seeds of multi-culturism
will one day reap if they are not met with even greater resistance in accordance with the
first law of natural order; the will of any given species/race, to survive!
This is neither an endorsement nor license for anyone to disrespect anyone else. It is
merely an undisputable fact of nature! As Fundamental Odinists, we shall always be
respectful and considerate to all whom extend the same to us, no matter their race,
creed, or color.
Furthermore, we are truly conservative in nature and character. While we place
an immense value upon the qualities of personal freedom and liberty, we equally insist
that full accountability for one's choices and actions must accompany free will.
We are protective of our kin and folk. This includes our DNA (blood, tissue
and organs). While any and all are certainly free to do as they please, a genuine Fundamental
Odinist will not donate his/her blood, organs or tissues. Being protective of, and
accountable for one's DNA (blood, organs & tissue), one must responsibly take into
consideration that when one donates their DNA, it may go to anyone! You may not
choose who will get it, unless it is specific to a friend or family member’s surgery and
you are a living donor. In which case, it would certainly be permissible and a family
duty in addition thereto. Albeit, when one signs an Organ/Tissue Donor card, or you
donate blood at a blood drive, or blood bank, you have no control as to whom will receive
your DNA. One of the problems which plague the advance of both our folk and
faith today is that so many who claim to adhere to our sacred precepts do so in word
only. Our proverbs and axioms of ethical and moral behavior become little more than
mere clichés and catchy phrases to far too many. Actions noble in word most certainly
do not equate with actions noble in deed. I assure you!
If we claim to fully comprehend that every ancestor whom has ever lived in our entire
line, does indeed live in the blood coursing through our very veins, pumping through
our hearts, if we accept this to be the factual reality then how or why would we give it
away so freely and without a care as to whom will receive it? The answer, of course, is
that we would not if we truly believed in the power of our DNA/Blood.
Once more regarding the myriad of cliché hurlers... Why is it that so many view the host
of struggles and hardships we all must face, from a 'victim's' point of view, when they
are all but grand opportunities to rise above the pale. Every day of the true Fundamental
Odinist's life, is pregnant with potential! It is a component required in the exercising of
one's will. It is the process of overcoming weakness and asserting one's will to survive
and excel. Yet so many, who claim the path of our Allfather Odin take the perspective
of life's struggles as something that has befallen, or plagued them. Such simpering are
the weak rantings of the clueless wherefore genuine Fundamental Odinism is in regard!
While we do believe in an afterlife, we don't waste our lives awaiting it. We
live each day in the here and now with vigor, all the while remaining aware of our solemn
responsibility for our future kin. Regarding the conceptual Odinist afterlife, see
"Valhalla Today" (reprinted in this issue). While everyday of our lives are holy, as life
is a sacred and holy event, we hold that Odinsdagr (Odin's day = Wednesday) is the
high holy day of the week. We value the wisdom in sound leadership and organization
as a means of tribal survival, advancement and longevity. We do not submit to oppressive
or ego-maniac whims in our leadership! Lack of personal accountability for one's
actions should never be confused as, nor pass for freedom/liberty. Nor should sound
Rede (counsel) or respect for leadership structure and standards, be confused as oppression.
We recognize the timeless wisdom and worth of loyalty to family, kindred and
folk, as nature's imperative and therefore, our Gods' wisdom.
We recognize the inexorable fact that we are a part of nature and natural order
as opposed to being apart from it! And as such, we further recognize that the laws of
nature are superior to the inferior laws of man. Taking this into account, we temper such
a reality by realizing that while this is so, it is necessary, in order to maintain a society
of order and just laws, to abide by the laws of man and society where they either further,
or complement the laws of natural order. Where they do not, we resist and remain defiant
for survival sake; which once again returns us to the law of natural order and the
will to survive.
We hold that our ancestral past is a valuable compass for our future survival,
albeit, we must take care to apply that wisdom and knowledge to the here and now if
ever we as a folk/people are to have a future at all. Our illustrious past is intended to be
a Guidepost... NOT a Hitching Post!
We honor the Æsirian Code of Nine, the Nine Noble Virtues, the Rede of
Honor, the 14 Codes of Aryan Ethic and all wise doctrine which is conducive to the
survival and advancement of our Faith and Folk.
Fundamental Odinism is an ethnic religion which is indigenous to the native European
people of the Aryan Tribes i.e. Germanic Tribes (e.g. Norse, Teutonic, Celtic and some
Baltic and Slavic Tribes).
We do not promote, practice or preach hate, bigotry or racism. We are racially
aware and proudly so, as should all peoples be of their respective Folks/peoples. We
afford due respect and consideration to all people who return the gesture. We do not
promote or endorse any political program or agenda. We do not endorse, espouse or
condone any gang activity! We do not condone or accept homosexuality as a legitimate
component of the laws of natural order. In this our official position, we are not alone, as
the Catholic, Orthodox Jews and Islamic faiths all have prohibitions against homosexuality
as well. Homosexuality defies the natural order of family procreation and therefore,
our Gods.
For us, the genuine Fundamental Odinists, we acknowledge that for far too long now,
there has existed a severe lack among our people for self reliance, self determination,
industriousness, respect for the plight of our folk and indigenous faith and the future of
both, honor (both personal & Kindred), loyalty to one's own, strength/fortitude and rectitude,
hospitality and perseverance to catalog but a few. Many of those whom exhibit
said lack of respect for the afore stated, wear a Thor's Hammer or other symbol indicative
of our noble way, around their necks! Too many toss about what amounts to mere
clichés that are memorized, but far too few live by them anymore. So many... Too
many, fail to pay their own way, or pull their own weight when they are in a position to
do so. They elect not to and then justify to themselves and others why it is so. These
folks always have their hands out looking for something for nothing. They do not constructively
participate in the process of productivity but they are quick to participate in
the process of levying a host of ill accusations about others whom have towed the line.
They expend their energy and others associated with them, cultivating problems like
they are the spawn of Loki, rather than seek solutions to the problems which face us as a
faith and folk, as would befit the offspring of our Gods!

Too many desire and even demand equality and respect among the folk when they have
not done a thing to warrant such as a peer who positively participates in any beneficial
activity. Everyone wants to ride on the Longship, but far too few are willing to man the
oars and pull their weight. They want their portion of the plunder, but they don't want to
get their hands dirty in the pillage. They all want a free meal, but they don't want to
slaughter the beast and bloody their hands in the killing, cleaning or cooking of it! Even
among those who do pull their own weight today, so many have lost our ancestor's spirit
of yore... Instead of complaining that you pulled your weight and you are not going to
pull Svein's too! You do just that! You resolve to pull Svein's weight too, fully comprehending
that we all make shore together, or we perish in the storm together. When you
do make shore, you get at ol’ Svein and unless the reason he slacked off was because he
suddenly took ill, or the like. You explain to him, “If you've no intention to pull your
own weight, don't try to get back on the boat!” The moral lesson is simple; the Fundamental
Odinist will resolve to do what needs doing in order to succeed both individually
and collectively. While the others either complain, quit, or fall short of the mark!
The genuine Fundamental Odinist says "YES" to life and he/she lives by the old German
proverb which exemplifies so well the noble virtues of self reliance, perseverance,
courage, self discipline, industriousness, and honor above all others; " Lerne zu leiden
ohne klagen ", (Learn to suffer without complaint).
I could go on and on about what constitutes Fundamental Odinism and what does not,
and indeed, I shall at a later date compose a handbook on such. But for now I shall leave
you with this content for your own consideration. May Odin bless you all and may your
Hammer's strike Trú.
I leave you then with the following meditation:"No man may levy a valid indictment
against thee, save for thy own conscience! Then all shall know in time through thy own
actions."
- Herjan, Casper Odinson Cröwell, Ph.D., DD

Hrodnand
Saturday, May 16th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Whem it comes to Odinism I like this article:

FUNDAMENTALODINISM

(...)

- Herjan, Casper Odinson Cröwell, Ph.D., DD


A good article and thanks for posting it. I have only one point to question. Why does he claim fundamental Odinism as the ancestral ethnic belief for slavic and celtic people?

Ragnar Lodbrok
Sunday, May 17th, 2009, 07:48 PM
A good article and thanks for posting it. I have only one point to question. Why does he claim fundamental Odinism as the ancestral ethnic belief for slavic and celtic people?

Gee thats what I'd like to know... These pagan traditions are not native to the Slavic and Celtic ethnic groups, although they have become sort of merged into these other similar pagan cultures.

Sigurd
Sunday, May 17th, 2009, 08:11 PM
I believe the terms you are looking for in this discussion in regards to outlawry are Full and Lesser Outlawry.:D

I wasn't looking for any terms. I was looking for the explanation. Had I looked for terms, I would have referred to them at that. Full Outlawry IS permanent outlawry, and Lesser Outlawry IS temporary outlawry. I felt people are served better with the concept being described by "permanent" and "temporary" than by merely serving them with the 'official terms'. I may freely refer to the Death Penalty as just that, instead of having to refer to it as "Capital Punishment" all the time, no? ;)


This is somewhat misleading. The cross didn't actually originate from Thor's hammer. However, its origins are pagan. It is true that it's similarity to Thor's hammer probably made it easier for Germanics to embrace though, so I can definitely see the correlation.

Actually, what was meant is people "cross-signing" themselves, which we learn from Heimskringla existed as "hammer-signing" in pre-Christian times. The way people cross-sign themselves resembles Thor's hammer more closely than the shape of the actual cross. ;)

Hemming Wotansson
Sunday, May 17th, 2009, 09:42 PM
THE CELTIC CONNECTION

By Dr. Casper Odinson Cröwell, 1519-CCG
Chief Court Gothi, HOLY NATION OF ODIN
and the SONS OF ODIN, 1519-VINLAND


It is a sad reality that our Celtic heritage, more oft than not, is reduced to some sort of second class heritage next to our Norse/Teutonic heritage wherefore our beloved religion is in regards. In fact, next to the Viking age, all else seems to recede into obscurity. What accounts for this historical and religious malady? I would submit that more so than any other reason is probably that when Folk first learn of our religion, whether it be to merely study it, or to adhere to it as a spiritual way of life, most submerge themselves in the literature which is inundated with the old lore pertaining to our Gods, heroes and our ancestors who chronicled or sang the old sagas (Skalds & Scribes).

This is not only unfortunate, it too is erroneous, for any number of reasons. This has led to some of our folk whom are seeking a spiritual connection with both their ancestors and the Gods they honored, to look elsewhere rather than Odinism. Often I have had some young man or another say to me; "Odinism is an awesome Aryan religion and way of life, but I have no Aryan or Viking blood... I'm Irish (or Scottish, Welsh, etc.)" While it is not my intention to sound condescending or as if I am ridiculing, this is a ridiculous assertion! To begin with, the word 'Aryan' is of Sanskrit origin and it means 'Noble or the Noble People'. It is descriptive of the original Indo-European Tribes/ Peoples which includes the Celts, Germans, Balts and Slavs. Its twentieth century employment seemed to afford the Germans exclusivity, albeit an erroneous and dubious one.

Then there is the knowledge that the Celts had not always been in the lands which we have come to know today as Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Britain (now England). They had begun their migration from their original homeland in the Caucasus between 4000 BC and 500 BC. They eventually settled in what is today Southern Germany and Northern Austria where they spent more time than any of the lands which they currently reside within, by thousands of years. It was from there that they migrated further to the British Isles. The Roman conquest of the Celts in the British Isles is responsible for severing the Celts from their pagan past.

Next, one must consider the Viking Age, indeed. For the Norsemen did in fact conquer the British Isles beginning in 795 CE when they raided a small, albeit somewhat wealthy church on Lambey Island, just north of Dublin. Dublin itself was originally a Viking fortress from which they launched their raids and forays. It was established in 841 CE. The name Dublin is Nordic and it means 'Black Water'. The Initial Viking raids had occurred twixt 795 CE and 873 CE, which resulted in large parts of Ireland being raided and falling under Norse
rule. Viking rule, wherever it had existed in Ireland, had ceased in 1014 with Irish King, Brian Boru's victory at the battle of Clontarf. Boru himself had perished in the battle and many of the Norsemen had remained in Ireland permanently.

Though their assimilation there was not the end of their journey. In 795 CE the Vikings raided and sacked a monastery at Iona. Their
terrifying raids would plague the west coast of Scotland for the next fifty years. Eventually they began to settle on the west coast and numerous islands of Scotland. The Islands included the Hebrides, the Orkney and Shetland Isles. Their descendants remain there to this day. Of course, the Viking age began with the raid on England's East coast in 793 CE when the monastery at Lindisfarne was raided. But lesser known raids had in fact occurred as early as the late 780's. The catalog of raids, battles and Norse rule in England are far too numerous to list in this essay. Suffice it to say, they lasted from the late 780's until 1066 at the battle of Stanford Bridge.

In 840 CE Charles the Bald had assumed the throne of Western Europe in Francia (today's France), though this did not go down well with his two brothers Lothar and Louis the German, and while the three brothers argued over the throne's inheritance, the Norsemen were quick to see the opportunities created by the brothers disunity and their Kingdom's vulnerability. The Kingdom was divided twixt the three brothers. Charles the Bald would keep the West of Francia. Lothar would take the Rhineland and Frisia and Louis the German
assumed rule over a large part of what is today Germany. This divided rule of the Frankish Empire was complete by 843 CE. But Francia's problems had only begun and they arrived beneath the standard of Raven from the North! Charles' Kingdom was hardest hit as it was ideally located for the Northmen's taste due to the lengthy coastal access and many rivers which accommodated their longboats. Lothar, on the other hand, had employed a bit of tact with the Norsemen, he granted them land holdings with the provision that they not raid in his land and they loosely ally themselves with him. In 911 CE, Frankish King Charles the Simple had opted for peace with Rollo and his Norsemen when he granted him rule over a territory which would be named for the famed Norsemen, 'Normandy'. The particulars of this negotiated peace and land and title grant? Rollo and his merry marauders would no longer rid in
France, but defend the coast and rivers from other raiding Norsemen. Oh yeah, and they had to convert to Christianity.

In all of the afore discussed lands inhabited by the Celts, the Norse (and even Teutonic) had settled, assimilated and bread and their descendants remain to this day; Ergo, the Celtic Connection to our ancestral religion. Odinism is the original religion of the Aryan Tribes and the Celts are one of those Tribes. Yes, indeed I shall be the first to concede that the Germanic peoples of the Aryan Tribes are what come to mind in most people's initial idea of which heritage constitutes the Odinist way of life. But the Celts, Balts and Slavs have the same valid inherited ancestral right. Two Sagas which quickly come to mind are Njals Saga and Grettir's Saga regarding accounts of Norse adventures in the lands of the Celts. And then there is this to consider where DNA is concerned; Iceland is the last Norse land to convert from the old religion and one of the first to legally recognize once again in the twentieth century. Iceland's people are said to be the purest Aryan people left on Midgard (Earth), genetically speaking. They are a mixture of Norwegian and Irish people! I, myself, am German, Irish and Ukrainian.

So then, the next time someone of Celtic heritage says to you that they are not of the right ancestry to be an Odinist, you tell them; " That is Balderdash! " And then educate them to the Celtic Connection. I remain in your service and that to the Gods. And as always, I remain fraternally yours in Frith. May the blessings of our beloved Gods and Goddesses be upon you and yours, in the venerable name of Allfather Odin. Heil Odin!

"Seek not to assign fault to others. Rather, seek inspiration from their faults to correct your own." - the Chief Court Gothi, Casper Odinson Cröwell, Ph.D., DD

* For additional research of the Celtic Connection, peruse "Orkneyinga Saga" And good reading to you all.

Reynard
Wednesday, June 17th, 2009, 09:42 PM
cant recommend the Odinic Rite enough.

ps the best community site for odinists is www.odinist.net not.com

most of the original moderators behind .com migrated to this site.

Æğele Wiğercwida
Thursday, April 29th, 2010, 04:16 PM
I've recently become more interested in "Odinism" and folkish traditions. The Odinic Rite seem to be the most reliable organisation in Britain for information, the others seeming more like that Wicca nonsense - which is a general thing in Heathenism.
I used to have a deep knowledge of the runes, but now I have lost it because of my return to Christianity :-O . I think I was seeking a comfort, but I realise now how I have removed myself from those folkish traditions that I held so dear.
I think I have a friend who is connected to the Odinic Rite, so I will have to ask him more about it.

It is really good to see so many folkish posting on this thread who are from Lancashire. Do the OR hold any events in this area?

Ocko
Monday, December 6th, 2010, 11:00 PM
I think any description of odinism should start with Odin himself. That clears a lot of misconceptions.

Let's start with a few of his kennings, which can also be used to put some light on his character:

Odin the Allfather
Ygg (meaning the awful)
Gagnrad (he who determines victory)
Herjan (God of battles)
Har (the high one)
Jafnhar (even as high)
Bileyg (one with evasive eyes)
Baleyg (one with flaming eyes)
Boverk (worker of misfortune)
Sigfather (father of victory)
Gaut (creator, great)
Valfather (father to the slain)
Lord of the hanged men
Lord of the gallows

He has been looking for wisdom, sacrifices one of his eyes to drink from mimir's well, hanging himself on a tree for nine days to find the runes and so on.

He was a host to great banquets, he only drank vine, his meat was given to his 2 wolves (Geri and Freki). To be the host was one of his duties as a leader of the Asa.

He was honored with human sacrifices. People were hanged in trees and then stabbed with a spear. The God Njord let himself to be stabbed to death to honor Odin.

He was a terrible God of war, his followers threw a spear over their enemies and in case of victory all enemies were slaughtered/sacrificed

He is also known as a wanderer, who walks the lands of Midgard.

He is also known as a God who looked for wisdom in the magic things, called Seidr.

His wifes were Jord and Frigg, his concubines were the giantesses Grid and Rind. His children were foremost Thor (with Jord) most likely as his oldest son his successor to the highseat., Balder (with Frigg), Vidar (with Grid), Vali (with Rind), his sons were further Tyr, Heimdall, Hod and Bragi. lesser sons are Hermod (the messenger) and Meili.


As his follower one should emulate his traits: courage, strife for wisdom, generous host, leadership, taking on of responsibility for your people, obviously he had many offsprings, he could be cunning and also playful and deceptive to people.

whatever you think, he is not an easy God, not straight forward to put into a system. He contradicts himself and is not predictable as what he is going to do. He is able to change his mind.

He is definetly not your daddy who holds his hand under your butt, so junior can play around. When one approaches him one has to have strength oneself, one has to stand his scrutiny. Though he is beneficial he is also demanding, no half-measures. When one is one of his followers then that's it, no more playing around.

He is an incredible force and power, one has to be able to stand it, otherwise one is crushed and found to light.

He doesn't want Hampelmann-worship, he wants serious commitment.

If you choose this God be prepared. He doesn't shower you with gifts, he puts you to duty.

Black Talon
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011, 11:56 PM
If I might add that not every Odinist walks the way of the Odinic Rite.

My Mentor, who had his traditions from early in the 20th century and earlier, did not walk that way, yet he still honored the Old Ones in his own way.

It is safe to say that there are many faces to what we humans call 'Odinism'.

Perthro
Saturday, January 13th, 2018, 12:14 AM
Sounds like a church to me.



Again. Reeks of Judeo-Christian morality. Law was pivotal to our ancestors. Hell it's a norse word. Law breakers would be banished. They were literally 'out-of-the-law'. They lost the protection of their community and could be legally killed. We shouldn't want these people released back into our communities. Salvation is for Christians.



BS. That's just made up. There's no historical basis for most of those assertions. Furthermore, we have no idea how, or even if in fact, the runes were used for divination. Moreover, magic was not something for the everyday person to practice. Only those with the seidh could practice magic, and they were more often than not women. It was a dangerous and powerful force not to me tampered with by the common man.



If that's the case most people i've encountered from the Odinic Rite should be thrown out of the organisation.



Our ancestors wouldn't have understood the concept of having a religion.


And my listed faith as 'Anglo-Saxon Heathenism' is a term most people will understand. I don't consider myself a 'heathenist' and i'd never describe being heathen as a religion. When people ask me about my spirituality I say I follow the old custom or the old ways


Even three words of quarrelling you shouldn’t have with an inferior (125).

Though there is so much I would like to say though but 125 says it all

My final words are to compare a religion that is known for basically taking other beliefs and faiths for theirs own to our beliefs even if you agree or disagree with a organization or another kindred only weakens all of us we all recognize the 9 noble virtues where is your discipline or your honor with out having anything to back your judgment on a any organization of the same beliefs

Why did odin goto the world tree???