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Loki
Sunday, September 11th, 2005, 11:52 PM
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forumpost1.shtml?pid=373839

AP (Associated Press)

FBI Watches Hate Groups

The FBI has publicly declared they have been using the new anti-terrorist laws to trace Internet users who have group hate affiliations. Since the attacks on 9/11 happened, the FBI has gained entrance into the high-tech spy game based solely on Internet activity.

*°With basically an IP address, which is a unique user identifier, they can trace internet activity directly to the source,*± Says Ben Holden a top level software engineer at one the countries most technically advanced security firms who wrote the software in conjunction with FBI computer engineers. *°With the laws open to speculation the FBI has been watching and mapping the users of hate groups*±. Those IP addresses are just like phone numbers, no two are alike, they are unique to each individual on the Internet, even if the user uses a proxy service.*± A proxy service is a way for a user to hide their IP address. It works for the general hacker trying to gain access to your grandmother*¯s email. But to the FBI it means nothing.*± Even users who use dial-up connections and are given a new IP address every time they dial in to their ISP, are not immune.*± Holden states, *°The IP address is till unique to their ISP and ISPs also keep detailed logs of user activity, the code we wrote effectively translates users multiple IPs into one user identity. The users identity is very defined: Street addresses, name, families, work addresses, cross references with any users we have in our database and even comprehensive online history. It*¯s all in the database.*±

Hate groups have been around for a long time but since the proliferation of the Internet they now have an easy way to communicate over long distances via web based forums. Web based forums have been around since the beginning of the Internet, originally called BBS, as an acronym for *°bulletin board system*±. They allow users to post questions and answers from anywhere in the world. Groups such as www.stormfront.org/ or www.skadi.net now use Internet based forums to spread their beliefs. However the FBI now has a huge database of users, which they constantly keep track of. *°Those users are all being looked at. As soon as they sign up for an account we start tracking them. As soon someone goes to a hate group site they are tracked.*± Says FBI Internet Specialist Colm Fiorne. However when the question of the shear quantity of people on the net is raised, some completely innocent users, Fiorne responds, *°Of course if we didn*¯t fit users into categories we*¯d be tracking everybody. For instance if a college students visits a hate group site for scholastic purposes he or she will go into an initial database or a watch list. If their activity doesn*¯t flag our computers they*¯re of no concern to us. It*¯s the hardcore users, the ones who have been posting for years or the ones who post often, say more than a few hundred times. After that it*¯s easy to just flag *°key words*±. We are a few days behind them, they post it, and a real person looks it. The threat is calculated, files are updated.*±

Does the tracking of users stop solely at hate groups? *°No, even if a user posts to non-hate group, certain words or groups of words are easily flagged.*± Foirne continues, *°We can track in dozens of languages, in every continent, especially if we are already tracking their IP, hate group user are never immune. They leave a trail of bread crumbs where ever they go.*±

However the way some user attempt to gain stealth on the net is staggering. Some users will scour Internet cafes and always post from different computers often using ten or more computers spread over the city in a single day. However Fiorne assured us that, if they want retain some identity on the net then it*¯s not hard for them to be tracked. Some users keep the same handle (internet name) for years. *°In that case,*± Fiorne says, *°we can pretty much read what they*¯re reading and writing in real time. Race supremacist are a persistent, if uneducated bunch. They*¯ll hang out in non-hate forums and continually post over and over again just agitate regular users, it just makes our job easier.*±

*°Basically we don*¯t want another Okalahoma bombing*±, Says Colm Fiorne. *°The users think that they are completely anonymous when surfing the Internet, but in reality we can track their use with the greatest of ease. Asked why they don*¯t use this technology to bring down child pornography trading, organized crime and especially foreign threats to the US, Fiorne responded *°Most hate group users aren*¯t very smart. They*¯re actually kind of simple. Those other groups, such as the kiddie porn traders, realize that complete secrecy on the net is just a myth. Their use of the Internet is much more covert. But hate groups users seem completely oblivious to our presence.

The FBI can also monitor foreign sites with ease. Fiorne says, *°Just because an Internet site is broadcast from a server outside of US soil doesn*¯t mean we can*¯t trace its users. If we can access the site from the US our options are limitless.

And just so the White hate groups don*¯t get lonely the FBI tracks all hate forums including forums for black, Mexicans, and Jewish groups.

Fiorne also recommends citizens be especially vigilant. *°We have an internet site were citizens of any country can leave messages pertaining to any hate crime in addition to acts of actual terrorism, considering hate propaganda is a form of terrorism.*±

perkele14
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 12:12 AM
http://www.altheabraithwaite.net/Feeling%20Scared.JPG

Actually, the article is rather good analysis of the sad mind of the representatives
of the establishment. :coffee:

SaveEurope
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 12:39 AM
I'm being tracked! :laugh:

DreamWalker
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 01:15 AM
Hmmm, good thing TNP is a Nordish preservation site and not a hate-site:coffee:

Kalevi
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 03:44 AM
Me thinks that's bogus.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=fi&q=%22FBI+Watches+Hate+Groups%22&btnG=Hae&meta=

Source? Some anti-racist posted it in an internet forum.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 06:07 AM
We should all feel protected and assured that the FBI is monitoring such groups as the ADL and JDL. Members of the JDL, Jerry Rubin and a co-conspirator, were plotting to blow up a mosque in the Los Angeles area when they were broken up by the FBI. They caught them with bombs at their home. Well, Jerry killed himself in prison and the media managed to drop the story of the other conspirator (another jew) so we never found out how fair American justice can be.

The real story on this is that the FBI contracts this work out to the Israelis and they are most happy to monitor us all and report back to the FBI. The Israelis use their own people in Tel Aviv as well as locals such as the ADL which often brag about their ability to monitor us in real time and trace us home.

The FBI is now a sub-set of Homeland Security, run by Michael Chertoff, a jew, as a sop to all those many jewish groups who funded Bush's re-election. Just think of Homeland Security as a jewish protection organization. It's basic function is to protect jews and jewish interests. Once this is understood, it is easy to see why they waste so much time and money monitoring us and then calling us "hate groups"---old jews are scared people. Ask Southern Law and Poverty. They make a living out of scaring old jews and asking for donations to "monitor hate groups".

Here is the thing. They don't get court orders to monitor conversation on the internet. They can't use any of this in an American court. But they can use the information to make arrests and do dirty work. Also, they have the power to monitor international communications in and out of the USA so they are reading this now. So now all these recent do-gooder college grads and recent law grads with the FBI are finding out who they really work for.

Nordhammer
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 08:09 AM
A few years ago I actually had a guy from the city visit me asking me all sorts of strange questions about the inside of my house. He was doing a census according to him. I think it was totally bogus.

If you're being tracked and investigated it just proves that you're doing a good job!

It's funny how repeated this term "hate" is, as if an emotion is a crime. Furthermore it's used flagrantly and carelessly, like the boy who cried wolf too many times.

For the FBI to associate people in this forum with terrorism such as the Oklahoma City bombing is ridiculous, there is no connection whatsoever. Actually American citiziens have much more validity in associating the FBI with terrorism such as what they did in Waco and Ruby Ridge. They're the "hate" group who has already committed terrorist acts and murder.

DreamWalker
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 08:39 AM
A few years ago I actually had a guy from the city visit me asking me all sorts of strange questions about the inside of my house. He was doing a census according to him. I think it was totally bogus.

They are out there, last winter I had 2 guys ring my doorbell claiming to be Jehovahs Witnesses, I just smiled and said no thanks, not interested. Something did not seem right with them, they did not have the devout humble aura of the JW's, the one who hung back seemed quietly hostile, and they simply had the attitude of hired guns.

My suspicions were confirmed that night, when I saw the one who had done the talking at one of the local nightclubs, well on his way to drunk city, booze is a strict no-no with real JW's, ha ha!:D

palesye
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 09:36 AM
The FBI is now a sub-set of Homeland Security, run by Michael Chertoff, a jew, as a sop to all those many jewish groups who funded Bush's re-election.

Hilarious surname! It's "The Devil's son" in Russian. :confused:

Nordhammer
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Hilarious surname! It's "The Devil's son" in Russian. :confused:

Have you seen this guy? His face fits the name too.

Vapaa Suursaari
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Year by year, day by day, USA is more looking like the former Soviet Union!

I really dont care, if someone is monitoring my opinions etc.

I am more than happy to talk about them and that includes FBI too.

Just call me in advance, so I know to be at home, when you come.I will offer good coffee with sweet cakes, lets have a nice discussion..

By the way, around here we are not afraid about KGB=FBI. ;)


PS. what is interesting is, that are totally diffent opinions are classified to be "hate ones"?
USA, lighthouse of the freedom?

Sigel
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 01:41 PM
I am more than happy to talk about them and that includes FBI too.
They won't do that. It would mean giving your views a platform and that would never do. Easier to just dismiss all your views as "racist hate" - thus demonised, the job is done.

Genuine debate on race only happens on sites like these, elsewhere they're just singing from the same song sheet. Let's hope that any bored 'security' person reading our stuff at least pauses for thought.

Some people think... others just snoop and make notes.

Vapaa Suursaari
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 02:06 PM
I know, they wont, they just want to do "their jobs" and file the people.In the name of the freedom and democracy.

The american mormons (which are said to having big files of western folks) visited twise in my house, but never since. They was really not willing about talk about anything :)


Ok, I understand, things are very different in the USA.

Important is, we feel/show no fear. As long we have not breaked any law, what can they do?


Fight the cause.

Kalevi
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 02:30 PM
Let's hope that any bored 'security' person reading our stuff at least pauses for thought.

Especially when reading through all that scientific evidence about race, etc.

Btw, I wonder how many people's classification images have ended in some file just above the text "Potential hate criminal"..

Zyklop
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 02:51 PM
This article is an obvious fake. It´s just intended to scare away "normal" people from dissident internet sites.
Make a google search for "colm fiore"...

Nordhammer
Monday, September 12th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Year by year, day by day, USA is more looking like the former Soviet Union!

That's because it's the same type of Bolshevik Jews influencing our country.

But I think they will find Americans a bit more rebellious than their former subjects.

They are going for the slow win. They know they can not outright defeat white Americans, so they are slowing turning the country into a nonwhite country. Then they will have a more controllable population.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, September 13th, 2005, 03:43 PM
It doesn't really bother me. I have a lot of similar activities on other forums. I will be careful what I say though. ;)

Heidenlord
Tuesday, September 13th, 2005, 04:42 PM
Even if it is true, these are the same idiots that mailed the 9/11 suicide-pilots their pilot licsenses 6 months after 9/11. These are the idiots that can't stop drugs or mexicans from crossing the border. These are the idiots who have gotten in a quagmire in Iraq after saying it would be a "slam-dunk". These are the idiots that can't catch Ossama. These are the idiots that made the New Orleans disaster even worse.

In my southern sayings "they don't know shit from Shinola", "they couldn't tell their ass from a hole in the ground", or "ain't got as much sense as god gave a baboon's ass".

Loki
Tuesday, September 13th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Even if it is true, these are the same idiots that mailed the 9/11 suicide-pilots their pilot licsenses 6 months after 9/11. These are the idiots that can't stop drugs or mexicans from crossing the border. These are the idiots who have gotten in a quagmire in Iraq after saying it would be a "slam-dunk". These are the idiots that can't catch Ossama. These are the idiots that made the New Orleans disaster even worse.

In my southern sayings "they don't know shit from Shinola", "they couldn't tell their ass from a hole in the ground", or "ain't got as much sense as god gave a baboon's ass".

Well said! I agree with this assessment.