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SouthernBoy
Monday, August 8th, 2005, 01:53 AM
SouthernBoy's Firearms Thread

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
-George Washington

SouthernBoy
Monday, August 8th, 2005, 02:02 AM
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http://code10.kalashnikov.guns.ru/sturmgewehr.jpg

"The Maschinenpistole 43, Maschinenpistole 44, Sturmgewehr 44 (MP43, MP44, Stg44) were names for a light automatic rifle developed for Nazi Germany during World War II as part of the Maschinenkarabiner (machine carbine) program and developed from the Mkb 42(H). The many names of the Mkb 42(H)'s successor results from the complicated events in the bureaucracy of the Third Reich."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44

Links:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as51-e.htm

newenstad
Monday, August 8th, 2005, 04:02 AM
I prefer the Mg42...;)

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5614&stc=1&d=1123470955

@SouthernBoy: Have you ever shot with the StG 44 or the Mg 42?

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 09:49 PM
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5614&stc=1&d=1123470955

@SouthernBoy: Have you ever shot with the StG 44 or the Mg 42?

No, I haven't shot either of them yet, but we can legally own them here, at a hefty price of course:
German MP43 Transferable (http://www.impactguns.com/store/product3669.html)
German MG-42 (http://www.impactguns.com/store/product2279.html)
The MG-42's sell for in the range of $15,000 USD, and the MP43's usually go for about half that. ;)

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 09:55 PM
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http://gungallery.euweb.cz/Pict/Kalasnikov%20AK-47.jpg
"The Kalashnikov assault rifle, also known as the AK-47 (Avtomat Kalashnikova - 47, Kalashnikov automatic rifle, model of 1947), and its derivatives, also known under the common name of AK, is the most prolific small arm of the 2nd half of the XX century. It had been and still is (in more or less modified forms) manufactured in dozens of countries, and used in hundreds of countries and conflicts since its introduction."
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm

Links:
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/
http://www.ak-47.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:03 PM
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http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f2/250px-Usarmy_m16a2.jpg

"The M16 is still a general-issue rifle with the US Armed forces. It is also widely used by the US Law Enforcement agencies, either in military form (for example, the LAPD had some M16s, retired from Army), or in "civilian" semi-automatic only form. The AR-15 style rifles are made in the USA by at least dozen large companies, such as Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, FN Manufacturing, Hesse, Les Baer, Olympic, Wilson Combat, and by number of smaller companies, many of which do assembly their rifles from components made by some other major manufacturers. M16-type rifles also manufactured outside of the USA, most notably in the Canada, by Diemaco Co."
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_%28rifle%29
http://www.ar15.com/
http://www.bushmaster.com
http://www.armalite.com
http://www.colt.com

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:08 PM
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http://www.sss.no/images/Vaapen%20Steyr%20AUG%20P%205,56.JPG
"The Steyr AUG (Armee Universal Gewehr - Universal Army Rifle) had been in development since the late 1960s, as a replacement for venerable but obsolete Stg.58 (FN FAL) battle rifles for Austrian army. It was developed by the Austrian Steyr-Daimler-Puch company (now the Steyr-Mannlicher AG & Co KG) in close conjunction with Austrian Army. The major design is attributed to the three men - Horst Wesp, Karl Wagner and Karl Möser, who developed most of the rifle features."
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm

Links:
http://www.steyr-aug.com/
http://remtek.com/arms/steyr/steyraug.htm
http://www.pjs-steyraug.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG

perkele14
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:11 PM
http://digilander.libero.it/ak47web/Valmet_Model_rk71_762_Russian_Tube_Stock 1.jpg

:fi: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as43-e.htm

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:13 PM
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http://www32.ocn.ne.jp/~infinity/gun/fn_fal_l1a1/aug-02.jpg
"The FN FAL (Fusil Automatique Leger - Light Automatic Rifle) is one of the most famous and widespread military rifle designs of the XX century. Developed by the Belgian Fabrique Nationale company, it was used by some 70 or even more countries, and was manufactured in at least 10 countries. At the present time the service days of the most FAL rifles are gone, but it is still used in some parts of the world. The history of the FAL began circa 1946, when FN began to develop a new assault rifle, chambered for German 7.92x33mm Kurz intermediate cartridge."
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24f-e.htm

Links:
http://www.falfiles.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:15 PM
http://digilander.libero.it/ak47web/Valmet_Model_rk71_762_Russian_Tube_Stock 1.jpg
The Valmet is supposed to be a fine weapon. ;)

We have a lot of the civilian versions here that were imported during the 1980s.

Son of a gun
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:18 PM
The data shown for Rk.62 only.
Caliber: 7.62x39 mm or 5.56x45mm NATO (export versions only)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 914 mm
Barrel length: 420 mm
Weigth: 4.3 kg without magazine (3.5 kg Rk.76 with stamped receiver)
Magazine capacity: 30 rds

perkele14
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Here´s something that might interest you :)

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/M95.html

SouthernBoy
Friday, August 12th, 2005, 07:36 PM
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http://www.hkpro.com/image/mp5-1.jpg
"The Heckler und Koch submachine gun, MP-5, is one of the most famous and wide-spread firearms of its class, developed since the Second World War. Its development began circa 1964 under the company designation HK MP-54, or simply HK 54. In the 1966, German police and Border Guard adopted the HK 54 as the MP-5, and it was originally available in two forms - MP-5 with fixed buttstock and MP-5A1 with retractable buttstock."
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg14-e.htm

Links:
http://www.hkpro.com/mp5.htm
http://www.mp5.net/
http://www.streetpro.com/usp/hkmp5.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP5

SouthernBoy
Friday, August 12th, 2005, 07:41 PM
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http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9360/hkg3a3bayo4dk.jpg
"During the early- to mid-1950s West Germany, like the other NATO countries, faced the need for rearming its army for the newest common 7.62x51mm NATO caliber small arms. Initially Germans preferred the Belgian FN FAL rifle, and adopted it circa 1956 under the designation of G1. Due to obvious reasons Germany wanted to manufacture its military rifles, and attempted to buy a manufacturing license for FAL, but Belgium rejected the deal. So, Germany turned to the another design, available from Spanish company CETME, and known as the CETME mod. A rifle. Germany bought the manufacturing license for CETME rifle and transferred it to the Heckler und Koch (HK) company, located in Oberndorf. HK slightly modified the CETME design, and in 1959 the Bundeswehr (W.Germany Army) finally adopted the CETME / Heckler - Koch rifle as G3 (Gewehr 3 - Rifle, [model] 3)."
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK_G3
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=221&SITEID=B&PartNumber=G361

SouthernBoy
Friday, August 12th, 2005, 07:52 PM
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http://world.guns.ru/handguns/glock19.jpg
"The Glock family of pistols, once started by famous Glock 17 pistol, was developed by Austrian company Glock Gmbh., previously known for quality knives and entrenching tools. The Glock 17 pistol first appeared at the Austrian Army trials, won it and was adopted by Austrai Army and Police in the early 1980s under the designation of P-80. Since then, the Glock 17 and its descentants become very popular military and law enforcement firearms, being exported in more than 50 countries."
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg15-e.htm

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_17
http://www.glock.com/g17.htm
http://www.topglock.com/
http://www.glockfaq.com/

hauer
Friday, August 12th, 2005, 10:15 PM
Americans and their guns. :speechles

Nightmare_Gbg
Friday, August 12th, 2005, 10:37 PM
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http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9360/hkg3a3bayo4dk.jpg
"During the early- to mid-1950s West Germany, like the other NATO countries, faced the need for rearming its army for the newest common 7.62x51mm NATO caliber small arms. Initially Germans preferred the Belgian FN FAL rifle, and adopted it circa 1956 under the designation of G1. Due to obvious reasons Germany wanted to manufacture its military rifles, and attempted to buy a manufacturing license for FAL, but Belgium rejected the deal. So, Germany turned to the another design, available from Spanish company CETME, and known as the CETME mod. A rifle. Germany bought the manufacturing license for CETME rifle and transferred it to the Heckler und Koch (HK) company, located in Oberndorf. HK slightly modified the CETME design, and in 1959 the Bundeswehr (W.Germany Army) finally adopted the CETME / Heckler - Koch rifle as G3 (Gewehr 3 - Rifle, [model] 3)."
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK_G3
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=221&SITEID=B&PartNumber=G361

I got one of those :D

newenstad
Saturday, August 13th, 2005, 12:05 AM
Americans and their guns. :speechles

Not only Americans are interested in guns...

SouthernBoy
Saturday, August 13th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Not only Americans are interested in guns...
Europe has created the finest firearms the world has ever known; America, second-place. ;)

RedJack
Saturday, August 13th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Guns are cool!

Frostwood
Saturday, August 13th, 2005, 02:01 AM
Heh, I too have a fascination with things that go 'boom' or 'bang', but lately I have developed an interest in longbows, as they require some time to learn how to shoot with them. I can barely hit anything, but practice makes perfect.

As for the Rk62/76/95, it is surprisingly accurate for such a short rifle. Shooting with it was very easy and enjoyable, but I will never forget how it used to jump off to my neck or head when bending even a little bit when "camping" a bit in the woods, as it's strap had to be quite loose anyway. They were frustrating moments to say at the least and I thought then more about how far I could throw it or how much I'd manage to mangle it rather than how pleasing it is to shoot with.

lei.talk
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 01:12 AM
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5847&stc=1&d=1125705309
the marine corps gave my dad some rest and relaxation,
after his return from the korean war.
then he was transferred to camp lejeune,
where his experience would be utilised
training infantrymen in the field.
we moved to the knox trailer park (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=raleigh+drive+28543&spn=0.018828,0.063927&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en)
(instant housing for military dependents).

after the dinner-nook had been cleared,
long into the night,
my dad would sit alone
and repeatedly dis-assemble and re-assemble
his 1911a1 forty-five caliber side-arm (http://bobtuley.com/45/index.html).

my mom would find reasons
to traverse the length of the trailer,
so she could pass him
and make pleasant remarks
as he silently stripped the parkerised automatic
and restored it (http://web.archive.org/web/20041009190156/http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/toolbox.htm) - over and over and over.

i sensed her anxiety,
but as a pre-schooler - i did not comprehend the cause.

as will any young animal,
i found the activities of larger animals fascinating
and his repetitious hand-motions mesmerised me
(the actions seemed tremendously important
and i felt that i needed to learn them).

i would stand on the built-in couch
and gaze, unblinkingly, over the room-divider
(and his shoulder) as his fingers
clickity-clacked the smaller and larger pieces
apart and together.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=5848&stc=1&d=1125705398
inevitable was the evening
when the neatly-aligned steel budweiser (http://www.budweiser.com/) cans
(flanked by the "church-key" from his pocket),
that barricaded his side of the table,
sent him to the bath-room
- leaving the partially assembled weapon
lying on the stained towel
(a trophy from his long stay
in the naval hospital).

robotically (thoughtlessly), i climbed to the table
and (in flawless imitation)
slipped the next three pieces in to position.

my father leaned down to my left ear
(the one that does not, now, register any high tones),
opened his throat
and relaxed his abdomen for better projection,
with his best parade-ground command-voice
(for the very first, but far from the last, time) - bellowed,
"marine! do...not...ever...touch...my...side-arm...again!"
he inhaled.
"do you understand me?"

i was frozen. refuting the "fallacy of composition",
every cell was frozen: my heart was stuck,
there was no breathing, i could not see,
there was no electrical-flow between the synapses.

i suspect that all of our neighbors froze.

"do you understand me?!"

i bobbed my head, stiffly
(the muscles of my neck resisting one and the other).

at that range, reception was five-by-five.

his giant hand wrapped around my upper-arm
and lifted me, still frozen in position,
then tossed me on to the couch.

DreamWalker
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 01:44 AM
45 ACP is an exc sidearm choice.:viking1:

A couple of Springfield Armory versions, M1911A1, the civilian version of the military pistol, and the very concealable Ultra-Compact model, if one does not wish to alarm the ladies in one's party;)

DreamWalker
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 01:51 AM
Europe has created the finest firearms the world has ever known; America, second-place. ;)
The American John M Browning is considered the most prolific of firearms inventors, although his early designs made Winchester famous, his later designs were produced at Fabrique Nationale in Belgium.

Nightmare_Gbg
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 02:00 AM
The American John M Browning is considered the most prolific of firearms inventors, although his early designs made Winchester famous, his later designs were produced at Fabrique Nationale in Belgium.

I like F.N's Work.Their FNC is one of my favorite assult rifles.Never given me any trouble.

Heidenlord
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 04:12 AM
My friend has one of these...

http://armyadvice.org/images/armyadvice_org/armysteve/9/o_2004-08-30-05%20Dragunov%20SVD.JPG

.308.

Quite fun to shoot. I think he paid about $1900 for it 8 or so years ago.

Death and the Sun
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 08:26 AM
Sako Tikka hunting rifles: (http://www.tikka.fi/)

http://www.tikka.fi/images/rifles/lite/lite.gif

http://www.tikka.fi/images/rifles/hunter/hunter.gif

http://www.tikka.fi/images/rifles/varmintreg/varmint_reg.gif



"Tikka" means woodpecker, btw. Sako also produces guns for military and law enforcement purposes.

Death and the Sun
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 08:29 AM
More Finnish hunting rifles: the Lynx rifles, produced by Pirkan ase in Tampere.

http://www.hjorth.fi/Lynx/Lynx_kuvat/lynx_target.GIF

http://www.hjorth.fi/Lynx/Lynx_kuvat/lynx_hunter_birch.GIF

DreamWalker
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 09:31 AM
Old guns, from top;

Model 91/30 Soviet Mosin-Nagant Sniper rifle, mfg 1942 at Ishevsk

Model 1891 Mosin-Nagant mfg 1916 at Peter the Great Imperial Arsenal at Tula, Finnish capture and so marked, Finnish restocked. (Probably taken in 1918 as the bolsheviks removed any reference to the Czar and Russian markings are intact.)

3 Model 1896 Swedish Mausers by Carl Gustaf, mfg in 1914, 1919, 1904, top 2 are target rifles.

Model 1898 German K98, mfg 1936 by J P Sauer and Son, reworked in E Europe, possibly Czechoslavakia as it has the Czech sight protector.

Model 1898 German K98, unknown manufacturer, rebarreled by Yugoslavs.

DreamWalker
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 09:53 AM
Real old guns, from top;

Mk IV Martini-Henry, mfg 1886 at Enfield, former Ghurka rifle with Nepal markings.

Model 1872 New York State Militia Remington Rolling Block in caliber 50-70.

Model 1867 Swedish Rolling Block mfg 1870 at Husqvarna, caliber 12.7MM Swedish

Model 1867 Danish Rolling Block mfg 1886 at Kobnhavn, caliber 11.7MM Danish

Model 1866-74-80 French Gras, mfg 1874 at St Etienene, caliber 11 X 59MM French.