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Vanir
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Late Neanderthals 'more like us'
By Paul Rincon

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Neanderthals are thought to have been replaced by modern humans

Neanderthals were shedding their sturdy physique and evolving in the direction of modern humans just before they disappeared from the fossil record.

Newly identified remains from Vindija in Croatia, which date to between 42,000 and 28,000 years ago, are more delicate than "classic" Neanderthals.

One controversial explanation is that these Neanderthals were interbreeding with modern humans in the region.

Details of the research appear in the Journal of Human Evolution.

Excavations also reveal the Vindija Neanderthals were developing advanced ways of making stone tools that mirror innovations elsewhere by modern humans ( Homo sapiens ).

Researchers have pieced together a partial Neanderthal ( Homo neanderthalensis ) skull from fragments found mixed in with animal bones from the site.

Signs of interbreeding
The skull comes from ground layers dating to between 42,000 and 38,000 years ago. The researchers also found other fragments of Neanderthal bone from later ground layers in the cave.

Analysis of this cranium appears to confirm suggestions from earlier finds at Vindija that the Neanderthals there were evolving a more "gracile" anatomy - less sturdy than classic big-boned Neanderthals.

The skull's supraorbital torus - an arching, bony ridge above the eyes - is not as thick and projecting as in other Neanderthal remains. The specimen also has a higher braincase than is typical in Neanderthals.

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The partial skull has a high forehead and small brow ridges

Co-author Ivor Jankovic, of the Institute for Anthropological Research in Zagreb, Croatia, told BBC News Online:

"You know, the Vindija material is interesting because it is more gracile than classic Neanderthals.

"It suggests some contact between Neanderthals and modern humans but we don't know yet whether there was some interbreeding."

Fierce debate
The suggestion that Neanderthals interbred with modern humans is highly controversial. Many researchers believe they did not contribute genes to present-day populations.

Most researchers now believe that our own species evolved in Africa and then swept across Europe, replacing the Neanderthals - the so-called "Out of Africa" model.

"They were evolving in the same way because they were part of a larger human species"
Dr James Ahern, University of Wyoming

Comparisons of mitochondrial DNA from Neanderthals and modern humans have failed to reveal any signs of mixing between the two populations.

But Dr James Ahern of the University of Wyoming, US, lead scientist in the latest study, thinks the replacement of Neanderthals by modern humans was not a simple process.

"There was a far more complex dynamic going on between 20,000 and 29,000 years ago than some people think.

"I'm sure that there were some things post-Neanderthal populations assimilated from their predecessors, certainly in the biological sense," Dr Ahern told BBC News Online.

Remains of early modern humans from Central Europe often display Neanderthal traits, say the researchers. But these features are no longer as common in present-day European populations.

Neanderthals began to evolve in Europe around 230,000 years ago and dominated the continent until around 35,000 years ago when people with a more modern anatomy entered the continent.

They were proficient hunters and well-adapted to an Ice Age climate. But their distinctive anatomy has led researchers to classify them as a separate species from us.

The Vindija cranium predates the first recorded presence of modern humans in Europe by around 5,000 years.

Common direction
Dr Ahern thinks this suggests that Neanderthals and modern humans in Africa were evolving in the same direction in response to common environmental pressures.

"They were evolving in the same way because they were part of a larger human species. Neanderthals just didn't change as rapidly as some of the other people," he explained.

These pressures may have been rooted in sharp changes in the global climate.

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"Classic" Neanderthals had robust features

The evolution of a modern, or slight, physique by humans in Africa is thought to coincide with an emphasis on cultural and technological ways of dealing with everyday tasks that earlier people - including the Neanderthals - solved with brute force.

Innovations believed to coincide with the appearance of modern human anatomy include hunting with bows and arrows and the use of harpoons for fishing.

Dr Ivor Karavanic of the University of Zagreb found that around 38,000 years ago, Neanderthals began making more use of the mineral chert for stone tools.

Chert is a superior material to the quartz that Neanderthals at the site had previously used.

This behaviour mirrors cultural changes taking place at the same time in modern human populations and may indicate more advanced thinking.

source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/3346455.stm)

Constantinus
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005, 02:18 PM
There has to have been interbreeding. Let's be blunt here: if it looks even vaguely human, some people will f*ck it. This is true today, it more than likely was true back then too. When related species interbreed, the offspring usually isn't as fertile as with pure blood animals. That is true with most mammals, so why not with humans? Put those 2 simple truths together and you'll get a very plausible theory why the two species interbred and why there's almost no result left of that in our present genepools.

I've had this theory for years now.

SouthernBoy
Thursday, July 7th, 2005, 01:13 AM
Homo sapiens blends, indistinguishably, into Homo erectus in East Asia also. There's also genetic evidence for older human lineages.

I think that East Asians assimilated some evolved Erectus, and Europeans assimilated some evolved Neanderthalensis.

lei.talk
Thursday, July 7th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Homo sapiens blends, indistinguishably, into Homo erectus in East Asia also. There's also genetic evidence for older human lineages.

I think that East Asians assimilated some evolved Erectus, and Europeans assimilated some evolved Neanderthalensis.

have you been here http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=102308&postcount=1?