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HIM
Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 02:24 AM
So we were talking about immigration and what not on another forum that I'm on and I mentioned that I was sick and tired of this big new wave of Mexican and other non-white immigration into the United States. Well one guy totally flipped out on me and among many other things he e-mails me this:


America has always been a country of all cultures. It is not, and has never been, a "white" country. Read some more and you'll realize that every culture in this world is interconnected in some way or another. Better yet, go to Europe sometime and see how s**t really is. Go to Dublin, or London, or Berlin, or Paris and see all the different shades, languages, religions and cultures that occupy them.Those cultures have lots of positive things to offer the societies there, just like they do here. The attitude you have is one of a typical xenophobic, it is fear based on presumption rather than real education or knowledge. America is not a WHITE country...it is a MULTICULTURAL country. Immigrants from all over the world made it what it is today, not just WHITE PEOPLE. The sooner you learn this s**t the better off you'll be.

Rather than cussing and spouting out insults, I tried to calmly show this guy some facts that support my opinion. However it was no use trying to sway him even a bit. What do you all think about those kind of comments that I received? How should I best respond to them? The members on this board are by far the most intelligent people I have ever had the pleasure of conversing with so I thought that I'd ask everyone what their thoughts were.

RedJack
Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 03:10 AM
I'd just point out to him that he is spouting the multicult party line like a pro and ask him how much brainwashing it took to get him to ignore historical facts. :D

Death and the Sun
Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 10:51 AM
That argument is very easy refute -- not that this person will admit it, or probably even understand that he has lost the debate (idiots are notoriously impossible to make understand that they are idiots).

Northern America may not be a White continent, but the Unites States of America most definitely is a White country. It was founded by White people according to White values, and its present wealth and succes by created by Whites (at this point your opponent will start spouting some nonsense about slavery; just respond to him that to claim that blacks built America is like saying that horses built America).

Another thing this person misses completely is that while there may be some SOME justification for America being/becoming a multiracial society (since it is based on immigration) there is none for Europe being so. I wonder if this person has him/herself been to Europe to see how the "s***" really is -- I very much doubt it.

Don't ever sink down to the level of these people. Just refute their arguments with facts and logic. Since they are wrong, they can only answer with insult or change the subject. If they insult you just ignore them. If they try to change the subject point out that they haven't answered your previous points/questions yet, and in a debate, refusing answer your opponent's points means defeat by default.

Which discussion forum is this?

HIM
Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 03:47 PM
That argument is very easy refute -- not that this person will admit it, or probably even understand that he has lost the debate (idiots are notoriously impossible to make understand that they are idiots).

Northern America may not be a White continent, but the Unites States of America most definitely is a White country. It was founded by White people according to White values, and its present wealth and succes by created by Whites (at this point your opponent will start spouting some nonsense about slavery; just respond to him that to claim that blacks built America is like saying that horses built America).

Another thing this person misses completely is that while there may be some SOME justification for America being/becoming a multiracial society (since it is based on immigration) there is none for Europe being so. I wonder if this person has him/herself been to Europe to see how the "s***" really is -- I very much doubt it.

Don't ever sink down to the level of these people. Just refute their arguments with facts and logic. Since they are wrong, they can only answer with insult or change the subject. If they insult you just ignore them. If they try to change the subject point out that they haven't answered your previous points/questions yet, and in a debate, refusing answer your opponent's points means defeat by default.

Which discussion forum is this?

The guy was born in Ireland and then moved here at what age I don't know.

The discussion forum is on KCSR.org, a Kansas City forum with a bunch of punk kids. There are a few intelligent ones that I enjoy talking to, but most of them are quite ignorant. Last week I got flamed for 16 pages when I defended the Führer when some people thought it was clever to make random, idiotic comments about him. However I was used to this type of debate and totally defeated all attacks be remaining calm and citing all my facts with sources. I had a lot of people who didn't totally agree with me but still side with me because of my attitude of being very civil and not cursing at anyone and also because I provided good facts to back up everything I said.

This debate yesterday was new to me though. I hadn't ever had a serious debate about immigration so I was new at the topic and I kept getting cursed at so it made it a little more aggrevating. (probably the most cursing in a debate I have ever seen!) It is kind of fun debating a lot of the people on there because they clearly know nothing about what they're talking about, but I still don't know why I even bother posting there.

I appreciate the advice, Eldritch. :)

IvyLeaguer
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 02:12 AM
HIM,

I am looking at your quote. I take it you already knew Heinrich Heine was Jewish, right?

HIM
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 02:17 AM
HIM,

I am looking at your quote. I take it you already knew Heinrich Heine was Jewish, right?

Yes. Someone already gave me crap about that a month or so ago. I didn't put the quote there because of who it was written by, but what it says.

IvyLeaguer
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 02:42 AM
I wasn't giving you any "crap," just letting you know in case you didn't know. :coffee: He was, of course, a fervent German nationalist, and started to blurr the distinction between inner and outer fatherlands, just like most other German writers of his time who had been influenced by Pietism. I just run into a lot of people online who think of him as something he clearly was not. That is all. :bacio000:

The Horned God
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 02:56 AM
We Irish are known for turning the air blue, and tis an accurate stereotype I'm afraid. It can often be quite comical if used in the right way.

However when used in a debate, unless the curser is quite skillful it usually looks really pathetic and desperate.

You might remind your Irish oponent that he's not at a late bar and that there's no need to get like that as you are only trying to look out for his best interests as well as your own. That'll probably drive him nuts!
Good luck the next time! :D

Valhöll
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 03:10 AM
Normally attacks I have gone under come from punk kids who don't know what they are talking about.

I was on a gaming forum not to long ago and this guy makes the most random thread I have ever seen: "Racists are Stupid Ass Clowns". In this thread all he did was rant and rave with fragmented senteces and horrible spelling. After reading this idiotic post and deciphering what I could from the mess of letters I calmly stated my defense and then signed off. The next day my Private Message box was FLOODED with angry replies from this guy and a few of his companions who supported him with half - baked replies throughout his whole thread. After that it was a full blown war about Interracial Relationships, immigration, etcetra, etcetra. All I could do was laugh the whole time. After I had posted an array of links and excerpts they could only respond with "F*** You" and "Go to hell you Nazi piece of ****"

When I am attacked I respond with a calm attitude,

infoterror
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 03:16 AM
Rather than cussing and spouting out insults, I tried to calmly show this guy some facts that support my opinion. However it was no use trying to sway him even a bit. What do you all think about those kind of comments that I received? How should I best respond to them? The members on this board are by far the most intelligent people I have ever had the pleasure of conversing with so I thought that I'd ask everyone what their thoughts were.

You might want to contribute to the Anti-Anti-Racialism FAQ:

http://bbs.anus.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000130

infoterror
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 03:18 AM
He was, of course, a fervent German nationalist, and started to blurr the distinction between inner and outer fatherlands, just like most other German writers of his time who had been influenced by Pietism.

Well... sounds like someone worth supporting, if the rest of his beliefs aren't degenerate (some great writers who are not National Socialists are worth supporting).

I'm in favor of supporting violent Jewish nationalists/zionists as well. If they want to go to Israel, and remove all Jews to that vicinity... GOOD!

HIM
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 03:26 AM
Normally attacks I have gone under come from punk kids who don't know what they are talking about.

I was on a gaming forum not to long ago and this guy makes the most random thread I have ever seen: "Racists are Stupid Ass Clowns". In this thread all he did was rant and rave with fragmented senteces and horrible spelling. After reading this idiotic post and deciphering what I could from the mess of letters I calmly stated my defense and then signed off. The next day my Private Message box was FLOODED with angry replies from this guy and a few of his companions who supported him with half - baked replies throughout his whole thread. After that it was a full blown war about Interracial Relationships, immigration, etcetra, etcetra. All I could do was laugh the whole time. After I had posted an array of links and excerpts they could only respond with "F*** You" and "Go to hell you Nazi piece of ****"

When I am attacked I respond with a calm attitude,

Nice work. I have found that keeping a calm attitude is very important. I too was on a local car forum when someone randomly made a thread about Hitler. It wasn't a biased one, just one with some pictures. But then of course numerous people had to make rude and negative comments so I immediately jumped to the Führer's defense. I got cursed at by a few people, but I remained calm and presented my facts with sources to back them up. Three people told me that they didn't totally agree with me, but they liked my agruments and were impressed with my knowledge on the particular subject. They even offered to buy me a beer sometime. Those comments made the attacker even more angry and he left with one last comment.


Clearly the hitler praising thor worshipping racist is the rational one here.

Please poison his beer?

:rofl: I got a kick out of that! I often find it rather amusing to argue with punk kids, but it becomes a bit more difficult when I have to deal with adults who only curse at me and barely provide anything close to a logical statement. This last guy cursed at me 10 times more than anyone else ever has before. He had a terrible attitude!

Valhöll
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 03:41 AM
I've gotten into arguments over pictures before. Some Jewish girl e - mailed me this picture. Above in plain black letters it said "Join Your Leader" and below it had Hitler shooting himself in the head.

Of course she thought this was hilarious. I just defended myself with some pretty funny Anti - Jew jokes that only a racialist or White Nationalist would find humorous. :D

IvyLeaguer
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 06:08 AM
Where on earth did you find that Skull and Bones picture??????? :beer-smil

Valhöll
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 06:20 AM
Ohhh yes. I'm glad to see someone who knows who they are! :)

I found it while searching on Google. :D

I am just starting to research American secret societies and I have great admiration for the S & B. One day I hope to go to Yale and join them.

Did you happen to have any family that were members?

IvyLeaguer
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 06:30 AM
No, I did not have any family members who were ever Bonesmen. I did, however, attend Yale.

I had to pass by their building regularly on the way to class. For a long time I wasn't even sure what the building was used for.

IvyLeaguer
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 06:33 AM
I recognize the "DUB-YA" :gay: standing right next to that clock.

Valhöll
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 06:36 AM
The infamous tomb, as they called it.

There have been several myths regarding that building. Such as they worshipped Goddesses, had the remains of Geronimo, and worshipped Pirates. The most intriguing legend is that the Bonesmen have a knife in a glass case that they used to kill a man who threatened to release information about their fraternity.

Very good topic to research :)

IvyLeaguer
Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 06:43 AM
I don't think you would ever want to join Skull and Bones. I hear you have to drink out of that skull when you are initiated. :beer1: :O :O :O :guinness: Also, that skull is supposedly Geronimo's. It was stolen from its grave in Fort Sill, Oklahoma....FYI

It's incredibly hard to become a member anyway.