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Loki
Sunday, January 11th, 2004, 12:56 PM
THE English, Scottish and Welsh are to be classified as distinct national categories by the government for the first time under new guidelines for monitoring equality.
Last week the Office for National Statistics (ONS) issued a new manual on the country’s ethnic, religious and national groups to be used in conducting all official surveys.

Previously, only groups such as Indians, Bangladeshis, Africans and Irish have been able to tick boxes on most official documents to denote their ethnic background, leading to complaints from white English, Scottish and Welsh people, who could only tick a “white” box.

Now, for the first time, there will be special boxes on a wide array of official forms such as opinion surveys, censuses and job applications which English, Scottish and Welsh people will be able to tick to describe their background. British will also be an option, as will Irish, although there is no separate Northern Irish box.

The 2001 census was criticised because there were no such boxes, leading to complaints that white sub-groups were unable to assert their identities if they wished to. A spokesman for the ONS said: “What we’ve found is there’s a growing interest in how people perceive themselves nationally, as English, Welsh or Scottish.” The move means government, councils and the National Health Service will be able to monitor the treatment of English, Scottish and Welsh people of whatever skin colour, and could easily be called to account for giving them special treatment or discriminating against them.

Public sector employers are obliged to “promote racial equality”, so a council in Scotland that employs only Scottish managers and no English could be accused of failing to observe the race relations laws. Private companies are also likely to use the government’s guidance, meaning English firms will come under close scrutiny for their treatment of Scots and Welsh staff. A spokesman for the Commission for Racial Equality said: “The bottom line is that Welsh is an ethnic group in the same way Afro-Caribbean is, so employers would be subject to the same process.”

In future, government surveys will commonly have two questions on people’s background, one on ethnicity and one on nationality, meaning that people will commonly be described as “Afro-Caribbean Scottish” or “white Welsh”. The ONS guidance, called Ethnic Group Statistics: A Guide for the Collection and Classification of Ethnicity Data, recognises growing national identities, particularly for Scotland and Wales with the establishment of the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly.

There have been numerous cases of white English, Scottish and Welsh people who feel they have been unfairly discriminated against. In May 2002, the English rugby commentator Mark Souster settled out of court with the BBC after he was replaced as BBC Scotland rugby correspondent by Jill Douglas, who is a Scot.

Darren Graham, manager of the London Scotia Bar, said that he has had to stamp out racism by Scottish patrons against English ones. “There was one football match when some Scots lads were hurling abuse at the English and I had to go over and ask them to show respect,” he said. “I told them, ‘We are in their country and they pay our wages’.”


Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-959021,00.html

FadeTheButcher
Sunday, January 11th, 2004, 11:25 PM
In future, government surveys will commonly have two questions on people’s background, one on ethnicity and one on nationality, meaning that people will commonly be described as “Afro-Caribbean Scottish” or “white Welsh”.

LOL Afro-Caribbean Scottish.

Gentilis
Saturday, September 25th, 2004, 04:49 PM
In future, government surveys will commonly have two questions on people’s background, one on ethnicity and one on nationality, meaning that people will commonly be described as “Afro-Caribbean Scottish” or “white Welsh”.
Honestly, the term "white Welsh" is redundant.

A "black welshman" is traditionally a collier who hasn't had his after work bath after a hard days work in the coal mine. ;)

Its a sad that of affairs when the indigenous population, the norm if you will, becomes just another category with no more consideration or due than the most insignificant newcomer.

Do you think the Chinese with will get around to publishing surveys with the category "yellow Chinese" so that non-asian Chinese may feel more inclusive? NOT!

And while we are on the topic of racial profiling, I don't hear anybody screaming that the media was negligent in failing to prefice that it was black hutus killing black tutsies?

[sarcasm on]
In the future we should speak in term of black ethiopians or black sudanese otherwise somebody might get the idea that there are emaciated whites starving in Africa.
[sarcasm off]