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Northern Paladin
Wednesday, April 20th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Which Northern European Country has the best stance on immigration?

I'm not sure but I got the impression Denmark and Finland have a good stance on immigration. While the tradionally liberal Sweden and Norway are beginning to lean more to the right as the economic repurcussions of immigration has only strained with system.

What are your impressions? I was informed in Sweden that people are leaning more toward the right. But many young people are still leftist hippies/communists.

Rehnskiöld
Wednesday, April 20th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Good topic. I myself think Iceland or Denmark has the best stance, maybee Finland had a nice stance but they say their politicians has decided to go done the multi-culti road?

A lot of swedes actually think that our immigration politics are "to strict" Those are, as you said, the hippies,the leftist-scum and the communists/anarchists. But also there are quite some others that has an interesting view on immigration,a lot of the members of the swedish church, other religious people, generall nordish-haters,liberals and so on. Also, in fact some of the right orientated people are positive to immigration, one of their arguments are that the immigrants decreases the saluries (never heard it in public but some "moderates" I've spoken to has said so)

my spontanius grading: 1-Iceland 2-Denmark 3-Finland....

TisaAnne
Wednesday, April 20th, 2005, 05:26 PM
Your impressions about Denmark were correct, they do have a much firmer stance on immigration which, of course, is a very good thing. Since they passed their stricter laws on the issue (I believe in 2002, or early 2003... can't remember exactly), it has become much harder for immigrants to get the "cradle-to-grave" welfare benefits that Denmark is so famous for, which can only be a better thing for the native Danes who need the assitance. Still, they will accept immigrants in accordance with the Geneva Convention... which is stupid, IMO, because most immigrants of non-white heritage are, have been, or will be in a situation that they find themselves being prosecuted for their religion, race or political beliefs. So while Denmark's laws are much firmer than say Sweeden or Norway, there is still some flaws and ways for immigrants to get around the system. But any course of action that limits a degenerative influx is always a welcome occurance. Atleast the Danes are thinking on their future, one geared towards their own native peoples, and that immigrants have only caused harm to the quality, economy and social status of their country.


I was informed in Sweden that people are leaning more toward the right. But many young people are still leftist hippies/communists.
I have heard similar things from friends living in the country... It is very disapointing and disheartening, but hopefully things will change there in time. The ill effects of immigration are unnavoidable. Sweden will realize it in the not too distant future, and when they do... Things will change there as well, in consideration of the laws and peoples attitudes. I just hope it doesn't happen after too much damage has been done.

Kalevi
Wednesday, April 20th, 2005, 05:56 PM
Also, in fact some of the right orientated people are positive to immigration, one of their arguments are that the immigrants decreases the saluries (never heard it in public but some "moderates" I've spoken to has said so)

Do you know why there's relatively few immigrants in Finland? Because we already have 300 000-500 000 unemployed people here. It has absolutely nothing to do with abstract ideas like "multiculturalism" or "tolerance", our mercantile elite simply haven't got any use of a bigger supply of unemployed people which are useful for lowering peoples wages. So simple is that. :rolleyes:

Northern Paladin
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 04:35 AM
Good topic. I myself think Iceland or Denmark has the best stance, maybee Finland had a nice stance but they say their politicians has decided to go done the multi-culti road?

A lot of swedes actually think that our immigration politics are "to strict" Those are, as you said, the hippies,the leftist-scum and the communists/anarchists. But also there are quite some others that has an interesting view on immigration,a lot of the members of the swedish church, other religious people, generall nordish-haters,liberals and so on. Also, in fact some of the right orientated people are positive to immigration, one of their arguments are that the immigrants decreases the saluries (never heard it in public but some "moderates" I've spoken to has said so)

my spontanius grading: 1-Iceland 2-Denmark 3-Finland....

Forgot about Iceland. Yes they have a very good immigration policy there too. But as for the salaries what in the world are the right oriented people thinking? Their are barely enough jobs for Swedes. Many swedes I knew were either unemployed or under employed.

Many of the kids I knew around my age despite finishing college were driving taxis. That and taking care of old people. Young people are having a really hard time finding quality jobs.

I just don't understand how the Right in Sweden can think immigrants can help the economy. Sweden isn't using it's immigrants like America. Sweden's immigrants are mostly trash/refugees the refuse of the world. While even the illegals in america find something to do. The immigrants in Sweden are just leeching off the system.

Though I've heard it's getting a bit tougher to get. You have to show your actively looking for a job yet I have heard it's still rather easy to rip off if you know how.

Northern Paladin
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 04:48 AM
Do you know why there's relatively few immigrants in Finland? Because we already have 300 000-500 000 unemployed people here. It has absolutely nothing to do with abstract ideas like "multiculturalism" or "tolerance", our mercantile elite simply haven't got any use of a bigger supply of unemployed people which are useful for lowering peoples wages. So simple is that. :rolleyes:


My goodness! A very high unemployment rate indeed sadly this seems the case in most of Scandinavia. Why do they want to Lower the wages? Isn't socialicism supposed to be about the welfare of the worker?

DreamWalker
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 06:41 AM
Do you know why there's relatively few immigrants in Finland? Because we already have 300 000-500 000 unemployed people here. It has absolutely nothing to do with abstract ideas like "multiculturalism" or "tolerance", our mercantile elite simply haven't got any use of a bigger supply of unemployed people which are useful for lowering peoples wages. So simple is that. :rolleyes:

Interesting. I should think Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia have even fewer invaders, but an even worse economy.

So it seems we must be underemployed or have swarms of invaders :icon_sad:

Death and the Sun
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 09:08 AM
My goodness! A very high unemployment rate indeed sadly this seems the case in most of Scandinavia. Why do they want to Lower the wages? Isn't socialicism supposed to be about the welfare of the worker?

Well, the keyword is often SUPPOSED, I am afraid. But Finland is not a socialist country -- except perhaps compared to the USA it might seem that way.

Rehnskiöld
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 03:19 PM
I just don't understand how the Right in Sweden can think immigrants can help the economy. Sweden isn't using it's immigrants like America. Sweden's immigrants are mostly trash/refugees the refuse of the world. While even the illegals in america find something to do. The immigrants in Sweden are just leeching off the system.

I hardly think it's an official standpoint of the right,but some right-sympathisers I've spoken to(2-4) has justified the immigration like that and I guess some employers without any bond to folk and land can think like that.

Anyways the immigration ought to be compromising itself to more and more swedes as you say and I sincerely hope that a immigrant-sceptic party will get into the parliament next election. In the best case it might even manage to affect the immigrationpolicy in a healthy way.

However I gather that Icelands politicians are getting more fond of the multicultural idea I've heard that most of the common icelanders have a very healthy and harsh scepticism towards foreigners.So I guess that in that respect Iceland could be admirable.

Kalevi
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 11:14 PM
Why do they want to Lower the wages? Isn't socialicism supposed to be about the welfare of the worker?

It's called globalization. When it's made profitable to manufacture everything in the third world countries and import the goods here, our industry will move there, and we're forced to lower our employment costs. And because there is no developed infrastructure and high education in the low-cost labour countries, the preferred choice is to transfer the low-cost labour to the places of developed infrastructure and high education. (The problem is just that developed economy is a product of high wages, which enable people to buy more, thus extending the markets.)

Usually the consumer makes the business to compete for his favor, but in this system the business makes the countries (and their peoples) to do so. And why do we have to participate? Don't ask me; despite the fact that in the 20th century we have risen from a civil war ripped, almost-developing country to one of the world's wealthiest countries (by applying the concepts of national state and controlled market economy), the only explanation I have heard is: "We just haven't got any other choice."

Gustavus Magnus
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 11:42 PM
I'd say Iceland, or Denmark. We'll see the outcome of the Danish election.

János Hunyadi
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 11:47 PM
The Best

1. The Baltic States/Poland
2. Iceland/Faroe Islands
3. Finland
4. Denmark

The Worst

1. England
2. Holland
3. Sweden

Lissu
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 11:49 PM
I planned on saying Finland, but then I noticed "northern" in the topic. I'd say Iceland, or Denmark. We'll see the outcome of the Danish election.:rolleyes:

So you are saying that Finland is not a part of Northen Europe.

Would you like to tell us why do you think so?

Gustavus Magnus
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 11:51 PM
:rolleyes:

So you are saying that Finland is not a part of Northen Europe.

Would you like to tell us why do you think so?

Well, basically, I think it belongs to eastern Europe. The baltics are always thought of as eastern European, so why not Finland?

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 01:43 AM
I see two different opinions here. Argue relevant points to which the opposition can not countre-retort, or cast further animosities and resolve spitefull demeanours within the STAFF areas. Takk/Kiitos. The theme of this thread is which northeuropean country bears the best policy at emigration. Ready? Go.

:grouphug:

János Hunyadi
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 02:33 AM
Immigration stats for Iceland

Yes there's actually a few thousand in fact.

Here are some stats

Wow, finally.

Here they are, the stats for Iceland, valdid for December 1. 2003

Europe (7.064 non-Icelandic)

Iceland 280.390
Poland 1.856
Denmark 870
Germany 551
Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) 529
Lithuania 395
Britain 370
Sweden 326
Norway 323
Russia 218
France 131
Holland 123
Spain 111
Ukraine 108
Portugal 103
Italy 97
Bosnia og Herzegovina 88
Finland 87
Latvia 85
Romania 75
Estonia 70
Bulgaria 68
Croatia 61
Austria 53
Hungary 53
Slovakia 53
Belgium 51
Ireland 37
Czech Republic 35
Swiss 33
Albania 29
Belarus 27
Macedonia 18
Moldova 9
Greece 7
Slovenia 6
Luxemburg 2
Malta 2
Armenia 1


Asia (Total 1.796)

Philippines 609
Thailand 474
Vietnam 231
China 174

(Mail order brides and interracial adoptees! :mad: )

India 48
Nepal 41
Japan 34
Turkey 32
Georgia 20
Indonesia 17
Mongolia 16
Pakistan 16
Syria 10
Jordan 9
Malaysia 9
Iran 8
Iraq 7
Israel 7
South-Korea 7
Singapore 6
Kazakhstan 5
Lebanon 4
Afghanistan 3
Azerbaijan 3
Cambodia 3
Taiwan 3
Uzbekistan 2
Kyrgyzstan 1


Africa (Total 332)

Morocco 63
Sri Lanka 42
South-Africa 29
Nigeria 28
Ethiopia 23
Ghana 21
Namibia 19
Kenya 17
Cape Verde 13
Algeria 9
Egypt 9
Guinea 8
Angola 7
Senegal 7
Sierra Leone 7
Mozambique 5
Uganda 5
Mauritius 4
Malawi 2
Congo 1
Cote d'Ivoire 1
Guinea-Bissau 1
Libya 1
Rwanda 1
Somalia 1
Tanzania 1
The Republic of Congo 1
Trinidad og Tobago 1
Zambia 1

South America (Total 199)

Chile 46
Columbia 32
Peru 32
Brazil 26
Ecuador 15
Venezuela 10
Argentina 9
Guiana 8
Uruguay 5
Bolivia 4
Costa Rica 4
Nicaragua 3
Panama 2
Guatemala 2
Paraguay 1


North America (Total 658)

USA (Excluding military personnel) 521
Canada 65
Mexico 25
Honduras 16
Cuba 14
Jamaica 6
Dominican republic 5
El Salvador 4
Barbados 1
Belize 1


Oceania (Total 58)

New Zealand 20
Australia 38


Unknown Origin 38
Unknown Country 25


Finland

Population 5,2 million

Foreigners (2003): 107 003 (2% of total population)

http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/taskue_vaesto.html#Foreigners

Country of citizenship 2003 (most certainly white countries are bolded):

Russia 24998
Estonia 13397
Sweden 8124
Somalia 4642 (No Comments!! :viking4: )
Yugoslavia 1) 4243
Iraq 3485
UK 2651
Germany 2565
Iran 2531
China 2372
Turkey 2287
USA 2149
Thailand 2055
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1694
Vietnam 1661
Ukraine 1317
Afghanistan 1312
Others 25520
Total 107003
1) Former Yugoslavia and Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

Finland also has roughly 8-10,000 Gypsies.

All of which mean Finland is still over 98% White and very Nordish.

Lundi
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 10:33 AM
So according to those stats (which I’ve seen quite often so they are perfectly acceptable) we are %99.16 "white", if only including Africa, Asia and Latin America as non white, I am assuming that the Europeans, North Americans and Australians/New Zealanders are white, although there will be exceptions and most so with the North Americans. Still that’s a whole 0.84 of a percentage off :mad:


:P

Lissu
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 10:57 AM
Finland

Population 5,2 million

Foreigners (2003): 107 003 (2% of total population)

http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/taskue_vaesto.html#Foreigners

Country of citizenship 2003 (most certainly white countries are bolded):

Russia 24998
Estonia 13397
Sweden 8124
Somalia 4642 (No Comments!! :viking4: )Giving the Somalis a citizenship has one positive thing: They get the passport and are able to move elsewhere in EU. Not all do that, but some do.

All of which mean Finland is still over 98% White and very Nordish.I would say Finland is about 99% white country.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 12:00 PM
This entire thread has just been cleansed of ill themed nonsense. If any one wishes to make a posting here, you must read the threadtitle first. I wil remove all ill relevant postings. Thank you every one for your co-operation at this matter.

Náttfari
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
Immigration stats for Iceland


Yes, you're welcome to use the stats I collected :D

Lissu
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 04:04 PM
Yes, you're welcome to use the stats I collected :DLOL :P

As you see, they have been very useful stats :D

János Hunyadi
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 06:42 PM
Yes, the Iceland stats were yours Lundi,

I also got the Finland stats from Louhi!

So none of that was my original research. :P

Náttfari
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 06:50 PM
Yes, the Iceland stats were yours Lundi,

I also got the Finland stats from Louhi!

So none of that was my original research. :P

Ehemm. I posted them on SF. :icon1:

Lundi
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 07:49 PM
LIES THEY ARE MINE, DIRTY THIEF NÁTTFARI :mad:



:P :P :P yes they are Náttfari's but thats probably what you ment Buliwyf, just got us mixed up :animal-sm

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Friday, April 22nd, 2005, 07:50 PM
LIES THEY ARE MINE, DIRTY THIEF NÁTTFARI :mad:

:sofa0000: