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Northern Paladin
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Estimated Racial Composition in Europe

Sweden = 70% Hallstatt Nordic (Carleton Coon described Sweden as a refuge area for the classic Nordic race), 10% Borreby (most common in the southwest coastal region, Upper Palelithic remains or UP), 10% Falish (most common in Dalarna (Kopparberg) and the southwest coastal region, UP+Nordic mix), 5% Tronder (most common near the central Norwegian border, UP+Nordic mix), 5% East Baltic (UP+Nordic mix) = 70% Nordic / 30% UP+Nordic mix (UP+N)

Norway = 45% Tronder (most common in the W), 30% Hallstatt Nordic (most common in the SE area around Oslo, pure Nordic), 10% Borreby (most common in the SW, UP), 7% Falish (most common in the south, UP+N), 5% East Baltic (most common in the far north, UP+N+L, L is semioriental Lagodan), 3% Palaeo-Atlantid (found in western coastal areas) = 30% Nordic / 52% UP+N / 10% UP / 5% UP+N+L / 3% Med.

Denmark = 40% Borreby (UP), 30% Falish (UP+N), 20% Hallstatt Nordik (N), 5% Anglo-Saxon (UP+N), 5% Istocni Baltik (UP+N+L) = 40% UP / 35% UP+N / 20% Nord. / 5% UP+N+L

Iceland = 60% Tronder (UP+N), 22% Borreby (UP), 15% Brunn (UP), 3% Palaeo-Atlantid (Med.) = 60% UP+N / 37% UP / 3% Med.

England = 30% Keltic Nordic (derived from pre-Roman Iron Age invaders ), 20% Anglo-Saxon (post-Roman Germanic invaders, most common in the southeast, especially East Anglia), 15% North-Atlantid and 10% Palaeo-Atlantid (blend of Mesolithic Atlanto-Mediterranean invaders with both earlier and later arrivals; most common in the Midlands and northwest), 8% Hallstatt Nordic (of Viking and Norman derivation, although it is said for Normans they spoke Latin and had dark hair), 5% Brunn, 5% Tronder (of Norwegian Viking derivation; most common in the northeast), 3% Borreby and 2% Falish (again of Viking and Norman derivation; associated with the landed gentry; source of the "John Bull" type), 2% Noric (from Bronze-Age invaders, depegmented Dinarics, Dinarics are 2/3 Med + 1/3 UP) = 57% UP+N / 25% Med / 8% N / 2% Dinarik.

Scotland = 30% Keltic Nordic, 22% Tronder (most common in the NE), 10% North-Atlantid (most common - W), 10% Anglo-Saxon (most common - SE), 10% Palaeo-Atlantid (most common - SW), 5% Brunn, 5% Hallstatt Nordic, 4% Borreby, 4% Noric = 62% UP+N / 20 Med./ 9% UP / 5% N / 4% Dinaric

Ireland = 40% Brunn (indigenous Paleolithic inhabitants, most common in the west), 30% Keltic Nordic (most common - E ), 9% North-Atlantid, 9% Borreby, 3% Palaeo-Atlantid, 3% Tronder, 2% Noric, 2% Anglo-Saxon, 1% Hallstatt Nordic =49% UP / 35% UP+N / 12% Med / 2% Dinaric / 1% Nordic

Wales = 35% North-Atlantid, 30% Palaeo-Atlantid, 30% Keltic Nordic, 5% other types = 65% Med. / 30% UP+N / 5% other

The Netherlands = 50% Keltic Nordic (of Franks), 20% Borreby, 10% Anglo-Saxon (most common in Frisia), 10% Falish, 10% Hallstatt Nordic = 70% UP+N / 20% UP / 10% Nord.

Belgium = 60% Keltic Nordic (most common in Flanders, derived from the ancient Belgae and Franks), 35% Borreby and 5% Alpine (both most common in Wallonia , Alpine is upper-paleolithic remians or UP) = 60% UP+N / 40% UP

Luxembourg = 80% Alpine ( UP remains ), 15% Borreby, 5% other types = 95%UP / 5% ?

Germany = 25% Borreby (most common in the Rhine and Ruhr valleys and the north), 20% Falish (most common - N), 15% Alpine (most common in Baden and Bavaria, UP ), 15% Noric ( depegmented Dinarics, name originates from Roman Province of Noricum in todays Austria ), 6% Keltic Nordic (most common in the old Frankish country in the southwest), 5% Anglo-Saxon (most common - NW), 5% East Baltic, 5% Dinaric, 4% Hallstatt Nordic = 40% UP / 31% UP+N / 20% Dinaric / 5% UP+N+L / 4% Nordik.

France = 30% Alpine ( UP ), 30% Noric (most common in the north), 20% Mediterranean (most common - S and Corsica ), 15% Dinaric, 3% Borreby (in the NE), 2% Nordic = 45% Dinaric / 33% UP / 20% Med. / 2% Nordic

Switzerland = 40% Keltic Nordic and 30% Noric (most common in the N, W and center), 15% Dinaric and 15% Alpine (most common - S and E ) = 45% Dinarik / 40% UP+N / 15% UP

Austria = 35% Noric ( depegmented Dinaric, word Noric s derived from Roman province of Noricum - todays Austria ) , 25% Dinaric, 20% Alpine ( UP ), 15% Keltic Nordic, 5% Hallstatt Nordic = 60% Dinaric / 20% UP / 15% UP+N / 5% Nord..

Poland = 55% Neo-Danubian ( Baltic or Real Slavs/Slavics, Lagodan or L + N ), 10% Ladogan ( UP - Mongoloid ) , 10% Alpine ( UP)), 10% Dinaric, , 5% Hallstatt Nordic, 5% Noric , 5% East Baltic = 55% (L+N), 15% Dinaric, 10% L(agodan), 10% UP, 5% UP+N+L, 5% Nordic.

Finland and the Baltic States = 50% East Baltic, 15% Hallstatt Nordic (most common in the Swedish-settled areas of Finland), 30% Neo-Danubian (most common - SE Lithuania and NE Finland), 5% Ladogan ( UP - Mongoloid ) = 50% (UP+N+L), 30% L+N , 15% Nordic, 5% L(agodan)

Czech Republic and Slovakia = 40% Alpine ( UP ) and 15% Noric (most common in Bohemia), 25% Dinaric (most common in Moravia), 20% Neo-Danubian (most common in Slovakia) = 40% UP / 40% Dinarik / 20% L+N

Hungary = 35% Neo-Danubian (most common or m.c. - NE), 25% Turanid (of Magyar derivation, semi-mongoloid), 20% Dinaric (m.c. - SW), 15% Alpine (m.c. - S, UP), 2% Nordic ( Germanic invasion impact ), 2% Noric, 1% E.Mediterranean = 35% L+N / 25% T / 22% Dinaric / 15% UP / 2% Nordik / 1% Med.

Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine = 40% Neo-Danubian (most common in Belorussia and western Ukraine, Baltic Slavs ), 35% Ladogan ( UP - Mongoloid ), 8% Nordic( Germanic invasion impact ), 7% East Mediterranean (most common near the Black Sea coast), 5% Dinaric (m.c. - E. Ukraine), 5% Noric = 40% L+N / 35% L / 12% Dinarik / 8% N / 7% Med. .

Spain and Portugal = 85% West Mediterranean, 9% South Mediterranean,, 5% Dinaric ( among Basques ), 1% Nordic (most common in the remnants of the Visigoth aristocracy, remains of Germanic invasion ) = 94% Med / 5% Dinaric / 1% Nordic

Italy = 50% D.M. or Dinaricized Mediterranean (m.c. in the south and Sicily, descendants of Greek colonist when the region was known as "Magna Graecia" or "Bigger Greece" for which is said to have had more Greeks then Greece ), 20% Dinaric (m.c. - N, Venets ), 15% Alpine (m.c. in the northwest, UP ), 10% West Mediterranean (m.c. in Sardinia), , 4% Noric (m.c. - N ), 1% Nordic (remains of Germanic invasion ) = 50% D.M. / 24% Dinarik / 15% UP / 10% Med. / 1% Nordic

Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia and Macedonia = 75% Dinaric ( preslavic Illyrians) , 10% West Mediterranean (most common on the coast), 10% Noric ( depegmented Dinaric ) and 5% Neo-Danubian (most common in the north and Pannonia, Baltic Slav ) = 85% Dinarik / 10% Med. / 5% L+N

Romania = 35% Dinaric (m.c. in the W ), 25% East Mediterranean (m.c. the coast ), 20% Neo-Danubian (m.c. in the NE, Baltic Slav), 10% Alpine ( UP ), 7% Noric and 3% Nordic (m.c. in the W, German colonists) = 42% Dinarik / 25% Med. / 20% L+N / 10% UP / 3 Nordik

Albania = 75% Dinaric ( Illyrian ), 10% West Mediterranean (m.c. on the coast), 10% Alpine ( Epirus, Dorians), 5% Noric = 80% Dinarik / 10% UP / 10% Med..

Bulgaria = 60% East Mediterranean ( mainly hellenistic Thracians ), 15% Alpine ( UP, Celtic impact? ) , 15% Dinaric , 5% Turanid ( NW Bulgaria, remains of semioriental Turkic Bulgars ), 5% Nordish ( Germanic invasion impact ) = 60% Med. / 15% Dinarik / 15% UP / 5% T / 5% N

Greece = 40% East Mediterranean ( Aegean, present among Minoans, Aheans , 25% Dinaricized Mediterranean ( also present among ancient Hellenes) , 20% Alpine (most common in Epirus , Dorians ), 10% Dinaric ( Dorians were partly Dinarics ), 5% Nordish (partly assimilated remnant, or genetic recombinations from solution; most common in the N, Germanic invasion impact) = 40% Med. / 25% D.M. / 20% UP / 10% Dinarik / 5% N

Turkey=35% Dinaricized Mediterraneans ( Greek colonists), 20% Mediterraneans ( Aegean coast, greek colonists), 25% Irano-Afghans ( eastern Turkey, Kurds ), 20% Turanids ( original semi-oriental Turkics, inhabits continental parts of central Anatolia one of them being region around Konya ) = 35% D.M. / 25% I.A. / 20% Med. / 20% T.

I believe this is Coon's chart. What are you feelings? Accurate/somewhat accurate or totally off?

http://www.geocities.com/zakus_1999/Races.html

Triglav
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 03:16 AM
I believe this is Coon's chart.

Those are McCulloch's figures.



What are you feelings? Accurate/somewhat accurate or totally off?


He hasn't even been to these areas. I challenge everyone to even prove the existence of the so-called Neo-Danubian type.

SouthernBoy
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 03:25 AM
McColloch's estimates aren't very reliable. I wouldn't put too much faith in them. :annoysigr

Gorostan, I have seen a Neo-Danubian before... he wanted to know if I could go play poker on Saturday with him the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Boogey Man. :laugh: :rolleyes:

Skåne!
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 03:14 PM
I seriusly doubt that 70 % of the population of sweden are hallstatt.

Väring
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 05:58 PM
McCulloch's works are excellent but i think Bertil Lundman is a better reference when it comes to matters such as this. Personally i'd say that Sweden is 40 % Trönder types, 25 % Göta types, 20 % Västmanlands types, 10 % Tydals types and 5 % East-Baltic types.

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/bilder/rastyper-karta09.jpg


SVN = sydvästnordiska folkstocken (folkstock förkortas hädanefter FS): Götatyp renast inom de prickade områdena; de starkare alpint blandade trakterna äro tvärstreckade. Vid den geografiska begränsningen av SVN FS har främst tagits hänsyn till den "geografiska harmonin" mellan bygdens rikedom och det alpina inslaget (se härom nedan!) samt den förhållandevis höga kroppslängden.

IN = innernordiska FS; av övervägande västmanlandstyp, begränsad genom låg kroppslängd i förhållande till låg B L I. (De små fyllda cirklarna beteckna de områden där tydalsrasen är starkt företrädd; begränsade av mörkheten).

T = tröndiska FS av övervägande tröndetyp; begränsad av den höga kroppslängden. Den lilla cirkeln betecknar den övervägande innernordiska enklaven kring Östersund.

VB = västerbottniska FS övervägande stornordisk ras (möjligen mest av tröndetyp men osäkert) och mer eller mindre starka inslag av tavasttyp. Främst begränsad av relativt högre BLI i söder, relativt högre kroppslängd i norr.

SL = sydlapska FS mot norr begränsad av högre HLI. - NL = nordlapska FS av förr övervägande nordlapsk ras, nu med minst lika starka, snarare starkare inslag av sydlapsk ras.

VF = västfinska FS av ostbaltisk tavasttyp och nordisk ras, begränsad mot öster av relativt hög kroppslängd mot väster av hög HLI. En innernordisk enklav intecknad.

ÖF = östfinska FS av framför allt ostbaltisk savolaxtyp och dessutom en del nordras.

SO = sydostsvenska området utan enhetlig karaktär (alltså ingen FS). Dessutom ha vi medtagit trenne här annars ej nämnda folkstockar, nämligen:

SB = sydbaltiska FS rätt olikartad i olika trakter, står delvis rätt nära VF FS men är mindre högskallig, något mörkare och har mindre av ostbaltisk ras (av tavasttyp?) men mera av diverse mellan- och även något litet östeuropeiska rasinslag. Begränsning vot VF av lägre HLI mot nästa FS av högre BLI och HLI.

W = västtyska, västfaliska FS omfattande Tysklands relativt renaste nordiska områden. Här finns dock redan att framför allt söder ut allt starkare alpint inslag.

GS = gammalslaviska FS i många avseenden lik ÖF men mörkare.

Till slut måste framhållas huru det alpina rasinslaget i den sydvästnordiska folkstocken endast finnes i de jämförelsesvis äldsta och i förhållande till den närmare omgivningen rikaste bygderna. I stort sett avtager alltså nordblodet och tilltager det alpina efter bygdens rikedom. För Götalandsdelen av denna folkstock har förf. uppgjort kartorna 10 och 11 vilka synnerligen vackert visa denna överensstämmelse. Liknande förhållanden äro ej kända från andra länder. Orsakerna äro nästan okända men ett förklaringsförsök skall senare givas.

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/rastyper-04.htm

Väring
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 06:17 PM
He hasn't even been to these areas. I challenge everyone to even prove the existence of the so-called Neo-Danubian type.

For my own part i think that Coon's Neo-Danubian is what Lundman called Savolaxid, which he included in the more general East-Baltic category.


b) Savolaxtypen. 2 Rätt småvuxen (c. 166 cm.), huvudet svagt kortskalligt (BLI c. 81-82) men dess mer högt (HLI c. 77) (A I 80-85); ansiktet brett men ej stort; näsan kort och bred, mindre spetsig än hos föregående. Mest blond, fast håret väl ofta går i något mörkare cendré än hos föregående typ. Utbredning: öster om föregående inåt Ryssland, och söder ut mot Karpaterna.

b)Savolax type. Rather small of stature (approximately 166 cm), slightly short-skulled head (BLI approximately 81-82) but more high(HLI approximately 77) (FI 80-85); the face is broad, but not big; the nose is short and broad, less sharp than in the former . Mostly blonde, even though the hair often transcends into a somewhat darker ash-blonde than in the former type . Prevalence; east of the former type inwards Russia, and south towards the Carpatians.

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/rastyper-04.htm

viking_
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 06:35 PM
those figures are very off. McCulloch's figures are outdated and he was to much of a nordish racist. In countries like Belgium and The Netherlands there is much more non nordish mixing going on. maybe they are correct for the purest nordish countries, but I seriously doubt that.
:viking1:

Triglav
Tuesday, March 15th, 2005, 01:40 AM
For my own part i think that Coon's Neo-Danubian is what Lundman called Savolaxid, which he included in the more general East-Baltic category.


The (semi-)Mongoloid admixture in Neo-Danubian was a bit of a stretch.

Neo-Danubian rather corresponds to Gorid.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, March 15th, 2005, 02:10 AM
The (semi-)Mongoloid admixture in Neo-Danubian was a bit of a stretch.

Neo-Danubian rather corresponds to Gorid.
Gorid, with a blonde Paleo-Atlantid and/or Ost-Baltid is probably the type he was referring to. It is in no way as widespread as he claims, if it even exists at all. I won the poker game by the way. :rotfl:

Väring
Thursday, March 17th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Neo-Danubian rather corresponds to Gorid.

Are the Gorid within pigmentation range for Coon's Neo-Danubian?
I can also see similarities between Alpines and Neo-Danubians.

Triglav
Friday, March 18th, 2005, 04:42 AM
Are the Gorid within pigmentation range for Coon's Neo-Danubian?
I can also see similarities between Alpines and Neo-Danubians.
I'm not sure about the definition of Gorid, but the type itself can often be blond. Western Alpines are usually described as being brunette and brown-eyed, but in reality most Alpinids I've seen were light-eyed.

Coon's examples of Neo-Danubians also appear to have some (high-skulled) Cro-Magnid admixture.