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White Iceland
Saturday, February 19th, 2005, 08:23 PM
The hooked-cross, Ţórshamar, sonnenrad, fylfot or svastika represents, at its most primal, the rolling sun. Most Aryanists recognize this solar element, but when asked to add motion to the symbol, will have it roll toward the right, as if the arms were feet or claws.

Accurately, the arms extending right from the main cross are to be recognized as "fire whips" trailing behind the crosswheel as it rolls left. I have tried to explain this to folks on SF in a recent thread and finally had the help of a fellow there in illustrating the motion I am describing here.

http://img214.exs.cx/img214/8993/sonnenrad1ci.gif

If you disagree, of course you are wrong, but feel free to waste your moment in an attempt to justify yourself ;)

See the careless ignorance of several folks (including myself re: the NATO emblem) in the original thread:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=183449

cosmocreator
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 11:20 PM
I agree with you on that. I remember talking to a racialist but devout Catholic guy. He was quite upset that it rotates counter-clockwise. I tried to explain that it's relative. Clocks could have been built were counter-clockwise would now be considered clockwise.

Loki
Monday, March 21st, 2005, 09:04 PM
The fylfot itself has connections to both the worship of the sun and the thunder god Thor (Donar).

In England the fylfot can be found in many places and carved on many objects throughout England. Amongst the Anglo-Saxons this particular symbol seems to have had very strong connections to burial, and maybe also the afterlife, for we find examples of it from graves, and carved on cremation urns from East Anglia.

The Anglo-Saxons also carved the swastika upon their weapons as there is an example of such found on a hilt and sword belt found in Kent. It could be that the Anglo-Saxons believed that carving the swastika upon their weapons gave it the power and strength of Thunor, or maybe the warrior carrying the weapon was blessed with Thor's protection during battle. As well as these more war-like symbolic religious uses of the swastika, we also find it carved on simple items such as brooches. Which could show that that the wearer of the brooch claimed Thor as his/her patron god, or that at times the swastika was used simply as a form of decoration.

Loki
Monday, March 21st, 2005, 09:11 PM
Here is an English fylfot brooch.

Lissu
Monday, March 21st, 2005, 09:38 PM
Here is an English fylfot brooch.How old is it?

Loki
Monday, March 21st, 2005, 09:40 PM
How old is it?
Probably dates from around 550AD to 600AD, is my guess - before England was Christianized.

Vanir
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 03:01 PM
Here's the picture of the Angle Thunor's Hammer pendant that I have saved from that site...

I was going to have a Silversmith make me one matching it as closely as possible. I've tried to find more pictures of it, but haven't had any luck.

I recall reading somewhere that the "cult" of Thor/Thunor was a relatively new one, and had the organic heathen religion been left to evolve free of that toxic hebrew blight, Thunor might have toppled Woden at the head of the pantheon, much the same way that Woden had usurped Tiw's place centuries before.

Interesting to gain just a glimpse of in what way our indigenous spirituality evolved to meet our needs over time..

I really think the Heathen way was a far more subtle, delicate, relevant and complicated psychological toolkit than it is ever given credit for.

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread in my rambling way.
Anders

Väring
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 05:50 PM
The fylfot symbol, also known as the swastika, was a most sacred of symbols to the Heathen Anglo-Saxons, and all the pre-Christian peoples of Europe. The symbol itself has connections to both the worship of the sun and the thunder god Thunor.

The Fylfot is also known as the thunder cross.