View Full Version : Black Sun and a New Thulean Mythos

White Iceland
Sunday, February 6th, 2005, 01:36 AM
I don't know how many here are familiar with the defunct White Order of Thule. Those who know of it are probably only familiar with the soap opera details surrounding the last secretary's involvement in a record deal gone sour... that's as may be.

What was/is perhaps most interesting about the Order were its attempts at creating a new Thulean Pantheon based on Aryan archetypes. Of course, this project drew heavily from Norse mythology but also encompassed modern concepts such as those (fictionally?) attributed to Nazi Germany and specifically Himmler's SS inner circle.

The organization would have hoped to awaken and embrace ancient folk archetypes and, lest the whole project be nothing more than another chanting new age clique, use them to motivate a revolution. There are but small samples available in the books Gods of the Blood and Black Sun which don't present an accurate picture of the Order. Indeed, almost as soon as it was launched, the group suffered a clash of personalities among its founders. It never came to flower despite 6 fairly interesting issues of the magazine Crossing the Abyss.

I am now in touch with many former members and allied thinkers and will continue this creative project.

If there is interest here I will provide some of the introductory materials.

Read the archived group description (late edition, ca. 1999) at:


and for WOT suggested reading:


Sunday, February 6th, 2005, 02:40 AM
I am interested, though I find the synthesis of Tradition with modern Jungian psychology to be an error. Jung only seemed to elaborate on Gustave le Bon's study of the base, collectivist, aspect of humanity, adding to this his understanding of religion (which he seemed to accept only as an exoteric insititution, as he rejected anything resembling true spirituality). It is thus that I hold spiritual Jungianism in contempt, as it communicates to the lower aspect of man.

I also think that the "Thulean" or Hyperborean faith has changed over the years for a reason as various folks have emerged, died, and evolved. All religions descended from the primordial tradition have a transcendental unity: that is, the esoteric aspect of these faiths leads toward the same thing. The difference between traditions serves to connect an individual with their folk and give them a "path" that they find easy to follow as it originated from their folk. This is the reason that I do not follow Vedantic Hinduism--it does not connect me to my folk nor communicate to me as do the Norse Traditions. Therefore, I think that it may, too, be error to attempt to re-create the ancient Hyperorean/Thulean faith, for it cannot communicate with us or connect us to our folk. Furthermore, as all of the religions descended from the Hyperborean lead to the same thing for the esotericist--namely, Transcendence--the re-creation of the primordial tradition seems un-necessary.

That is not to say that I am uninterested in the White Order of Thule, though; I just would not become a member if it still existed or were reformed.

White Iceland
Sunday, February 6th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Fair enough and well-informed critique...

I don't know that the idea was to re-create any old or lost faith so much as invent a synthetic religion and be very honest about that from the get-go. The work didn't take into account the work of Joseph Campbell and Hilda R. Ellis Davidson either... along with dozens of thinkers I'm sure I've never even heard of.

Viewed realistically, the ruins of WOT could make an interesting literary circle. And should its members go on to stir things up in the real world in the name of whatever invented deity, well and good! Whatever inspires them.

What is your opinion on the Order of the Jarls of Bælder? Stephen Cox had several articles/tracts published in association with the WOT work and I am not all that familiar with him, other than to see that he pastes a quite strained disclaimer on his current Arktion Federation page swearing off anything that could be called "racist." See:


Pick up a zip archive by joining:


White Iceland
Thursday, March 31st, 2005, 09:54 PM
I find it hard to believe there is not more interest in this subject...

Wednesday, April 20th, 2005, 09:34 PM
Well who isnt interested. I´ve been looking for something to read
from Order of the Jarls of Bælder for years but it seems hopeless to find.
Their library is impressive.

White Iceland
Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 02:11 AM
Well who isnt interested. I´ve been looking for something to read
from Order of the Jarls of Bælder for years but it seems hopeless to find.
Their library is impressive.

Best way to acquire at least a few of the more interesting OJB tracts in the US:





Thursday, April 21st, 2005, 02:54 PM
Those books looked very interesting(I got the rest),
has anyone read em? Mostly books I have read its by
people that doesnt approve the movement, although
Nicolas Goodrick-Clarke has some objectivity.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, April 26th, 2005, 04:32 PM
I am extremely interested in occultic things in connection with National Sozialism & Fascism. Blood mysticism, Blood & Soil, power of the Runes, SS rituals, Black Sun mythos, Aryan origins of ancient high civilizations, creation of the Galactic Empire and the Ubermensch...

I have read many articles from White Order of Thule, Temple 88, Black Order, Order of Nine Angels and simelar societies. Yet, much is still not read, much to do.

I have had much help from you White Iceland in finding texts about this subject and I'm thankful. Keep up the good work!

White Iceland
Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 09:21 AM
Just another thread from the forgotten early days of tNp which might deserve another look...

Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 09:36 AM
Just another thread from the forgotten early days of tNp which might deserve another look...

Indeed! I am glad you brought this up, I didn't see this one yet.

It might be of interest to you that the Order of the Templars of the Black Sun has similar goals and ideas. Read about it here: A (spiritual) Knight Order in the modern world (?)

Monday, October 16th, 2006, 03:32 AM
Indeed, as I posted in The Previous post's directed reading, I am greatly intrigued by the direction things are going, the way people's minds and hearts are beginning to lean and open.

I was also interested in what Utopian had to say on alot of things, along with the links he gave to some very interesting ideas and structures.

Please continue, and I will likewise post where and what I can that is of use, or contemplation.

Blut und Ehre

Monday, October 16th, 2006, 03:52 AM
I actually just thought of one more thing I wished to throw in the air.

I was wondering what you think of the ideas and works of David Myatt.

I have been reading through some of things writings lately, and find alot worth considering, alot which seems to echo with something inside of me beyond ideas, or politics, but at the same time has to do in every way with that, or rather, through them.

Blut und Ehre

Desert Fox
Monday, October 16th, 2006, 04:00 PM
This artwork of David Myatt strikes my Aryan soul..... I could spend a lot of time interpreting the symbolism...
To me it looks like we Good ole boys and gals invented another weapon to defend ourselves with.. ;-)

Monday, October 16th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Here is a post where I explain some of my personal religious inclinations.




As many of you know, my Race is my Religion. Therefore, I do not subscribe to internecine religious fighting of our Volk. It is counterproductive at this stage of our development, in my estimation. More and more each day, however, I deeply crave to worship with other like minded White people. I would be rather interested in exploring all different realms of religion as related to our Race.