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Loki
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 08:51 PM
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2693

Lessons for Britain as Fearful Dutch Turn Their Backs on Multi-Cultural Society



David Paul The Sunday Express December 20, 2004

Beside a giant Christmas tree in Amsterdam's Dam Square last night a Rastafarian was cheerfully selling lumps of cannabis to passers-by.

A few hundred yards away dozens of almost naked girls from all around the world were standing in floodlit shop windows selling their bodies to any man with 30 in his wallet.

Drugs and sex openly on sale are familiar scenes to anyone who has visited Amsterdam, whose residents have long adhered to the maxim "Leven en laten leven" or "Live and let live".

But beneath the surface, Dutch society, hailed for many years as a model of liberalism and racial tolerance, is in crisis.

And there are some disturbing lessons for Britain in the alarming breakdown in the social order of a European nation just a one-hour flight from London or Manchester.

Rising religious and ethnic violence has erupted across Holland, with attacks on immigrants and revenge attacks by them in response.

In just one week last month, more than 20 mosques, churches, Islamic and Christian schools were either petrol bombed or vandalised.

Half a dozen Dutch politicians accused of being "enemies of Islam" have received death threats. Two are deemed to be in such danger they are living in police safe houses.

The Speaker of the Dutch parliament, Jozias van Aartsen, said: "Holy war has come to the Netherlands."

Holland's educated, white middle class fear for the future, despite having an income per head that is higher than in any major country in Europe, and they are leaving their homeland in droves.

Last year, more people left The Netherlands than arrived as migrants or asylum seekers, for the first time since the end of the Second World War. In the first six months of this year, the net loss to Holland's population was 13,313 people.

Those leaving are engineers, nurses, computer experts, lawyers, accountants and businessmen.

They have had enough of the multiculturalism of Holland and are heading for the wide open - and, though few will publicly admit it, almost exclusively white-populated - lands of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Just last month, Dutch immigration and integration minister Rita Verdonk, who is one of those to have received a death threat, admitted: "We were naive in thinking people would exist in society together." The chairman of the independent MigrationWatch UK pressure group , Sir Andrew Green, believes the Dutch "white flight" phenomenon may already have also begun in Britain, but because we have more space, people here still have the option to settle in different areas of the country, rather than move abroad.

"There is clear evidence from a recent survey by the London School of Economics that people are moving out of London at the rate of 100,000 a year, and people are leaving other city centres, " said Sir Andrew.

"It could be that this is a pattern similar to that developing in Holland.

We need more research into the reasons for these very significant movements."

The Office of National Statistics last month predicted a population boom in many areas of Britain, caused by immigrants. Numbers living in London and the South-east are forecast to swell by 15 per cent, to about 30million by 2028. The population of East Anglia will rise the most - by 16.8 per cent - with a 16.5 per cent increase in the South-west.

"Immigration now accounts for 85 per cent of our population growth, " Sir Andrew said. "These figures confirm there will be still further pressure on the south of England. London and the South are already twice as crowded as Holland, the most crowded country in continental Europe."

Home Office officials are monitoring the situation in Holland closely, while scores of British MPs have visited the Netherlands in recent months to see for themselves what has happened.

The wave of anti-Islamic violence in Holland is also being watched nervously in Germany, which is home to more than three million Muslims, most of them Turkish. Former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, caused outrage last month by saying that allowing the Turks who arrived in Germany as "gastarbeiter" or guest workers, to prop up the economy in the 1960s, had been a mistake.

The present Chancellor, Gerhard Schroder, has recently adopted a much tougher line on his country's immigrants, warning they must integrate better into German society.

But in the sleepy Dutch town of Alphen Aan Den Rijn, employment office worker Ibolya Fransen is not particularly interested in the debate about European states and multiculturalism. She just doesn't like having two mosques near her home.

"In some places 'white flight' is happening, " said Ibolya, a 35-year-old mother of two. "I don't live in an ethnic neighbourhood, but when you go to our big cities you think to yourself 'Where am I? I am the only person who speaks Dutch'.

"In Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague or Utrecht, there are places where immigration is out of hand.




They recreate their own country



They have their own shops, their own schools, their own places of worship.

"In my town, we have a population of 70,000, but we already have two mosques. In five years time it will be three or four. They will take over."

The facts back up Ibolya's argument to some extent. Dutch Government experts believe that by 2010 Rotterdam, Amsterdam, The Hague and Utrecht will have Muslim majorities.

Holland has a population of 16.2million, of which almost one in five is of foreign origin. White Dutch children are already the minority in four Dutch cities.

Fearful for their safety and convinced there is a better life to be had away from Holland, Ibolya, her oil engineer husband Marc, 37, and their two daughters Kinga, five, and eightmonth-old Odett, are emigrating to Alberta, Canada, in May next year.

Experts from the Buysse Immigration Consultancy are helping the Fransens to move abroad.

Last month the Buysse website had 13,000 inquiries from Dutch people seeking information on how to leave their country for good.

"I have seen what has happened to a civilised country like ours, and I think I will be happier somewhere else, " said Ibolya.

"If people in England believe they have the same problem, they should do the same as us.

"There is a growing intolerance of immigrants in Holland. It's a shame - the good ones will suffer because of the bad ones.

"The perception in Holland is that the immigrants are responsible for the increased violence."

The events of one Tuesday morning early last month convinced Ibolya she is right to quit her homeland.

Dutch artist and TV personality Theo Van Gogh, great-grandnephew of the painter Vincent Van Gogh, was cycling to work through the centre of Amsterdam when a Muslim extremist shot him eight times. As Van Gogh pleaded for his life, his attacker tried to chop off his head with a knife. The murder had seemingly been provoked by a film Mr Van Gogh had made, highlighting the treatment of women under Islam.

IBOLYA said: "After Van Gogh was murdered there were revenge attacks on mosques and Muslim schools. It has developed into a hate campaign.

"I don't want my daughters to end up in the middle of this fight.

The killers are attacking people in the streets, people are on the streets with knives and guns."

Van Gogh's murder followed the May 2002 assassination of Holland's firebrand homosexual politician Pim Fortuyn.

He was shot by a left-wing activist after denouncing the Netherlands' 30-year "experiment" with multiculturalism as a "disastrous error".

Mr Fortuyn launched a mass movement he said was to defend Holland's tolerant way of life from the radical Muslim clerics based in his country, who are often subsidised by Dutch taxpayers. He was killed just nine days before an election that might well have seen him become Prime Minister.

"When Pim Fortuyn was shot everyone said it was just a one off, " Ibolya said. "Now it's happening more and more. These Muslim extremists want their 15 minutes of fame. We've already got Dutch MPs living in hiding - this is crazy."

Ibolya is excited about the future she believes her family will enjoy 6,000 miles away from Holland.

"When you go to live in Canada as an immigrant you become part of the rest of the population there, " she said.

"But in Holland and elsewhere in Europe there is an Us and Them mentality. I think this is happening in England and Germany as well.

"People say we are turning our back on our country of birth, but we can't change things on our own.

The Netherlands has too many people and not enough space."

Guest
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 09:55 PM
I don't really know what to say to all this... *sadly shaking my head*

The truth is that I actually hate to read this kind of stuff because it always makes me feel the same kind of depressing and destructive emotions; first it scares and worries me and nearly brings tears to my eyes, but then I just get mad as hell feeling an incredible rage urging me to fight and kill the enemies of my kind rather sooner than later... Unfortunately it's just not yet the right time for doing the latter.

I hate what is going on, I sincerely hate it, and I feel the utmost contempt for those who are doing nothing to change the direction of the current "development" that we are forced to witness, experience and suffer under, not to mention those who actively supports it one way or another. And all this I feel just because I love my people and my homeland as much as I do.

...Oh, how I long for that dear day of retribution and revenge!

Loki
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 10:05 PM
..... then I just get mad as hell feeling an incredible rage urging me to fight and kill the enemies of my kind rather sooner than later... Unfortunately it's just not yet the right time for doing the latter.

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...Oh, how I long for that dear day of retribution and revenge!
The time will come, dear Jonas. It will come... I hope. Wotan help us. I am willing to fight to death for this noble cause.

Constantinus
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Shit is gonna hit the fan man, you'll see.

Loki
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 10:42 PM
Shit is gonna hit the fan man, you'll see.
When it does, I want to come help you guys fight in the Low Lands. :viking1:

beowulf wodenson
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Very depressing. Much the same thing is happening here in America, except it's mostly mestizo mexicans and the like. :costumed- It pains me that native Dutch and Englishmen are being replaced in their own countries by third world filth, it's insanity. I always hear 'blame the jews' for the situation here in America, and it's true they actively campaigned and helped bring the situation about here,but it took collaboration from 'white' traitors. :violent-s The jews couldn't have effected the changes without gentile collaborators IE the Celler/KENNEDY immigration bill in '64. I hate to think that the land of most of my ancestors, once fair Britain, will be populated mainly by foreign filth in 100 years. Englishmen,Welsh,Scotsmen a minority in their own land :viking4: Woden help us indeed.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 11:31 PM
It won't be long before the immigration laws are abolished, or repealed. Let's hope that when that day comes we will still be able to reverse our situation.

Stig NHF
Wednesday, January 19th, 2005, 09:44 AM
Immigration is one thing, it was already too late 40 years ago to simply "Stop immigration", there are bigger errors in our societies than the immigration. Even if we had stopped immigration in 1960 the number of immigrants in our nations would have destroyed our peoples in the long run anyway. 3 negroes in a Indo-European nation have the potential to destroy thousands of 40 000 year long ancestrylines. A battle will come, I guess anyone can see this, so in a way we should be glad we have the moslems in our nations, they will start a semi-war long before they are ready for it. The moslems always were too quick for their own good, but this will not be before 10-30 years ahead, depending on the nation. So what we need to do in that period is fill more and more Europeans with real European culture and way of thinking, so that when the shit hits the fan as you say, we will be ready. We won't do this through "politics" or "skinheads on the street" type of strategy, sorry but its just not that simple.

NormanBlood
Wednesday, January 19th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Seems many of them are fleeing to Canada. Unfortunately, as they will discover, we are very much in the same boat. Unfortunately a nation like Canada will most likely refuse to follow in Dutch footsteps until the very end:( . We are a far too tolerant and passive people. All I can say is good luck to the Dutch. On the "brighter" side, it seems this increased violence is leading to an understanding in certain European nations. Unfortunately we in North America seem to love finding excuse upon excuse for non-White immigrants who cause us problems. What was stated below is correct, and I believe I've said it before. This "skinhead/neo-nazi" way of going about things is not the way to stop this. Educate yourselves, is what I believe is first and foremost. Uneducated nationalist types are usually thought of as nothing but a joke. For there to be a change, the person who wishes to make the change needs to have a certain amount of respectability. Its harsh but it's the truth.

Constantinus
Wednesday, January 19th, 2005, 05:57 PM
When it does, I want to come help you guys fight in the Low Lands. :viking1:
Hehe, always welcome, I'll lend you a place to sleep.

Guest
Thursday, January 20th, 2005, 08:57 PM
Seems many of them are fleeing to Canada. Unfortunately, as they will discover, we are very much in the same boat. Unfortunately a nation like Canada will most likely refuse to follow in Dutch footsteps until the very end:( . We are a far too tolerant and passive people. All I can say is good luck to the Dutch. On the "brighter" side, it seems this increased violence is leading to an understanding in certain European nations. Unfortunately we in North America seem to love finding excuse upon excuse for non-White immigrants who cause us problems. What was stated below is correct, and I believe I've said it before. This "skinhead/neo-nazi" way of going about things is not the way to stop this. Educate yourselves, is what I believe is first and foremost. Uneducated nationalist types are usually thought of as nothing but a joke. For there to be a change, the person who wishes to make the change needs to have a certain amount of respectability. Its harsh but it's the truth.
I totally agree with you that education is the way for us to go, but what I meant with my first post here, which actually wasn't much more than a completely spontaneous reaction after having read the article above, was just that being presented with what's going on sometimes affects me a lot and that I at times seem to feel a big contrast between what is actually happening around me and what I'm currently doing on one side, and then on the other side what I'd like to happen and do - it's a classical dilemma of acknowledging reality and mastering the possible while at the same time passionately wanting and fighting for something radically different against all odds.

NormanBlood
Friday, January 21st, 2005, 12:46 AM
Yes of course. It wasn't your post I had in mind when writing my reply. I believe all of us feel the way you do, I was mainly thinking of many individuals from all over who fail to see past the idea of violently taking back our lands. A rather broad statement on my part.

SaveEurope
Friday, January 21st, 2005, 03:57 AM
The Dutch must expell the invaders before they are outnumbered by them. Also, they cannot allow the invader to infiltrate their armies.

I believe they will always be able to cleanse their country as long as they don't let the above happen.

Guest
Sunday, January 23rd, 2005, 03:55 PM
The immigrants have already infiltrated both the army and the police force, and this unfortunately counts for pretty much all of Europe, though to a various extent from country to country. :frown: :mad:

Aistulf
Sunday, January 23rd, 2005, 05:58 PM
So did this Dutchman, already decades ago ;)

USS Dixiecrat
Sunday, January 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM
Shit is gonna hit the fan man, you'll see.

And the same thing that happened to the Serbians will happen to the Dutch. Old Uncle Sam, won't let them have an ethic cleansing of their own. But if my government does this, anti-Americanism will boil over in Europe, leading to war. Then the "anti-Bushism" in this country will boil over, and there will be quite a mess on the homefront. I'll do my best to make as much a mess as possible :)

SouthernBoy
Sunday, January 23rd, 2005, 06:30 PM
And the same thing that happened to the Serbians will happen to the Dutch. Old Uncle Sam, won't let them have an ethic cleansing of their own. But if my government does this, anti-Americanism will boil over in Europe, leading to war. Then the "anti-Bushism" in this country will boil over, and there will be quite a mess on the homefront. I'll do my best to make as much a mess as possible :)

I'll make sure to keep my 12 gauge loaded. :viking2:

Constantinus
Monday, January 24th, 2005, 12:02 PM
If the USA would intervene, Holland is lost. :(

USS Dixiecrat
Monday, January 24th, 2005, 01:49 PM
If the USA would intervene, Holland is lost. :(

No, it would be a rallying cry for Europe. The Netherlands is the "pearl" of Europe, Europe would not stand for an attack.

Aistulf
Monday, January 24th, 2005, 04:50 PM
The USA won't intervene in Western Europe, but if they do, I doubt the rest of (Western) Europe will take it lightheartedly...

Siegfried
Monday, January 24th, 2005, 04:51 PM
The USA won't intervene, even for that, in Western Europe. If they do, I doubt the rest of (Western) Europe will take it lightheartedly...

It would be an appropriate time for them to develop a spine, yes, but I'm not so sure it'll happen.

Aistulf
Monday, January 24th, 2005, 04:52 PM
I have a spine!! :mad:

Siegfried
Monday, January 24th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I have a spine!! :mad:

I wasn't referring to you, BATAVIER, but to the Western European states like Germany and France. :) Do you think they would risk war with the USA over the Netherlands, especially if the Dutch were committing 'genocide'?

DreamWalker
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 09:26 AM
I wasn't referring to you, BATAVIER, but to the Western European states like Germany and France. :) Do you think they would risk war with the USA over the Netherlands, especially if the Dutch were committing 'genocide'?

Hopefully the US military will be too bogged down in Iran, N Korea, Taiwan, or all of the above to interfere. With the number of European countries, it seems logical to expect a pro-White government to arise somewhere, whether from voting, palace coup, or civil war.

And the US military would be a concern if they are not occupied elsewhere.

solkorset
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 12:37 PM
Nobody thinks of Israel. Do you realize they have nuclear weapons and missiles which can reach Europe? They will never tolerate a racialist white goverment in Europe. They will nuke us, or unleash their deadly strains of virus, engineered in israeli laboratories to target nordic people. And we have practically no organized defense, no organizations at all.

USS Dixiecrat
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 03:27 PM
Nobody thinks of Israel. Do you realize they have nuclear weapons and missiles which can reach Europe? They will never tolerate a racialist white goverment in Europe. They will nuke us, or unleash their deadly strains of virus, engineered in israeli laboratories to target nordic people. And we have practically no organized defense, no organizations at all.
Let my tell you why Isreal dosn't bother me. On big nuke would kill them all.

Constantinus
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 03:46 PM
Let my tell you why Isreal dosn't bother me. On big nuke would kill them all.

No reason to be cheap on something as importan as this, let's use 10 nukes. :biggrin:

EAEric
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 03:49 PM
Nobody thinks of Israel. Do you realize they have nuclear weapons and missiles which can reach Europe? They will never tolerate a racialist white goverment in Europe. They will nuke us, or unleash their deadly strains of virus, engineered in israeli laboratories to target nordic people. And we have practically no organized defense, no organizations at all.

If an openly pro-white government came to power, and Israel nuked them, how long would it take for the rest of the white world to wake up?

solkorset
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 07:37 PM
If an openly pro-white government came to power, and Israel nuked them, how long would it take for the rest of the white world to wake up?

Oh God, you boys were born yesterday. A pro-white goverment arose in Germany in 1933. The jews whipped up the whole world to destroy it, and 60 years later most white people still regard it as a VICTORY!!! A victory for peace and justice and democracy and freedom and you name it. They didn't use A-bombs against Germany because the bomb didn't become available in time, but Japan suffered that fate. Has the US been condemned? Of course not. If a pro-white goverment arose in Europe today, most white people would be willing to wage war on it, and they would find it understandable if Israel nuked it. Indeed, they would believe that Israel had saved us all from a big evil and THANK Israel for it. Most people are jew-programmed and have no thoughts of their own.

EAEric
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 07:56 PM
Oh God, you boys were born yesterday.

Optimism springs anew in the hearts of the young, regardless of your deity. :)


If a pro-white goverment arose in Europe today, most white people would be willing to wage war on it, and they would find it understandable if Israel nuked it.

I disagree; if a pro-white government was attacked by Israel without provocation beyond their very existance, I would expect to see the opinion of the world swing even more firmly against Israel. They're not very popular, despite their disproportionate influence. Such open aggression on an international scale would make the condemnation of their treatment of the Palestinians look positively friendly.

If this did not occur, I would truly judge our people beyond hope.

solkorset
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 08:47 PM
Optimism springs anew in the hearts of the young, regardless of your deity. :)



I disagree; if a pro-white government was attacked by Israel without provocation beyond their very existance, I would expect to see the opinion of the world swing even more firmly against Israel. They're not very popular, despite their disproportionate influence. Such open aggression on an international scale would make the condemnation of their treatment of the Palestinians look positively friendly.

If this did not occur, I would truly judge our people beyond hope.


Through the jewish media monopoly most of us will be convinced that the pro-white goverment was the aggressor. Don't we all believe that about Hitler's Germany, even today? "The poor darling jews acted only in selfdefense against evil neonazis who were trying to eradicate them." The world opinion is private jewish property. Even after a great lot of exposes have become available on the web free for everyone, the holocaust remembrance can proceed as before. The reason why palestinian suffering is considered is that they are non-white non-europeans. The far greater suffering of europeans, especially germans, has no place in history.

USS Dixiecrat
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 09:07 PM
I disagree; if a pro-white government was attacked by Israel without provocation beyond their very existance, I would expect to see the opinion of the world swing even more firmly against Israel. They're not very popular, despite their disproportionate influence. Such open aggression on an international scale would make the condemnation of their treatment of the Palestinians look positively friendly.

If this did not occur, I would truly judge our people beyond hope.

I agree. Isreal is hated by more than it is loved. If you would look at the anti-semitism reports :mad: you would see that it is on the rise everywhere, including Europe.

This is a funny read. (http://www.yashanet.com/anti-semitism/articles/european_antisemitism.htm)

If anyone keeps track of anti-semitism it's the ADL (http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism_domestic/)

Last but not least..... (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm)