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friedrich braun
Thursday, November 25th, 2004, 05:31 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...25/ixworld.html


Turkish workers a mistake, claims Schmidt

By Hannah Cleaver in Berlin

(Filed: 25/11/2004)

Helmut Schmidt, the former German chancellor, has inflamed the country's debate on immigration by saying that multiculturalism can only work under authoritarian regimes, and that bringing millions of Turkish guest workers to Germany was a mistake.

"The concept of multiculturalism is difficult to make fit with a democratic society," he told the Hamburger Abendblatt newspaper.

He added that it had been a mistake that during "the early 1960s we brought guest workers from foreign cultures into the country".

Mr Schmidt, 85, who was the Social Democratic chancellor from 1974 until 1982, said that the problems resulting from the influx of mostly Turkish Gastarbeiter, or guest workers, had been neglected in Germany and the rest of Europe. They could be overcome only by authoritarian governments, he added, naming Singapore as an example.

Yet many would suggest that Mr Schmidt himself was at least partly to blame for the problems he was raising.

Safter Cinar, a spokesman for Berlin and Brandenburg's Turkish Association, said that bringing people into Germany was not the mistake, but refusing to call it immigration and failing to implement the necessary policies was. He said these errors were made during Mr Schmidt's chancellorship.

"When he is talking about mistakes, he is talking about his own mistakes," Mr Cinar said.

"They did not bring in the Gastarbeiter because they were feeling generous, it was an economic necessity.

"They may argue it was a mistake in 1973 when they put a halt on more Gastarbeiter coming in and another in 1974 when they allowed wives and families to join those who were here. It would have been possible, and legally feasible, to reduce numbers, to send back those who no longer had work.

"But if they are allowed to bring their families, that is immigration - and they didn't develop policies for that. And this was when Mr Schmidt was chancellor."

The Turkish population in Germany is the biggest outside of Turkey, numbering 2.3 million among Germany's 82 million population. There are a further 500,000 former Turkish citizens who have taken German citizenship. Germany is home to five million other non-Germans.

Mr Cinar gave warning that the discussion on integration and multiculturalism sparked in Europe by the murder in Holland of Theo van Gogh, and the resulting deterioration in community relations, was being carried out in a manner likely to alienate young Muslims more than ever. "The way that people are talking about it could well encourage young migrants to embrace Turkish nationalism and even Islamic extremism - or worse, both at the same time," he said.[Sounds like more blackmail, no? What if Germans want to revert to a homogeneous society? What if nothing is irreversible? All it takes is political will to fix the problem...repatriations of immigrants is the only viable solution.]

"These are people who are born in Germany and only know Turkey from a couple of weeks holiday there, but are regarded in Germany as foreigners and disruptive elements. If they are assumed to be that way they will eventually decide to embrace it.

"Multiculturalism is not an option, it's not an ideology or a concept, it is a reality. We have many different cultures living in the same society and we have to do that with mutual respect."

Mr Cinar said that there were some values and concepts which should be taken as universal, and there were some people and groups which did not respect them.

"But not respecting those universal values is not a result of a multicultural society," he said.

Nordgau
Thursday, November 25th, 2004, 05:50 PM
One hears these things of him already for several years. One could make a real big anti-multiculturalist Helmut Schmidt greatest hits collection. He also said in the last weeks (probably in the same interview as mentioned above) that the idea of solving the problem of the decline of birth rates by importing Black Africans, Turks etc. is an absurd dream of intellectuals - something that would be characterized as clearly racist if it was someone else who said that.

However also from our perspective we must give that Turk Safter Cinar in one point right: Schmidt has a big anti-multiculturalist mouth for quite a time now - but he was for eight years leader of West Germany, and one didn't see him saying or doing anything against immigration and overalienisation.

Nevertheless what he says is good because one can take it and stick it with joy into the noses of the lefts and liberals. After all Schmidt's greatest hits are a useful melody for the German right-wing movement. ^^

friedrich braun
Thursday, November 25th, 2004, 06:01 PM
He also said in the last weeks (probably in the same interview as mentioned above) that the idea of solving the problem of the decline of birth rates by importing Black Africans, Turks etc. is an absurd dream of intellectuals - something that would be characterized as clearly racist if it was someone else who said that.

Are you saying that even a banal truism ("that the idea of solving the problem of the decline of birth rates by importing Black Africans, Turks etc. is an absurd dream of intellectuals") would be characterized "as clearly racist if it was someone else who said that"? If so, you really live in an Orwellian society where Black means White and White means Black.

Nordgau
Thursday, November 25th, 2004, 06:38 PM
He also said in the last weeks (probably in the same interview as mentioned above) that the idea of solving the problem of the decline of birth rates by importing Black Africans, Turks etc. is an absurd dream of intellectuals - something that would be characterized as clearly racist if it was someone else who said that.

Are you saying that even a banal truism ("that the idea of solving the problem of the decline of birth rates by importing Black Africans, Turks etc. is an absurd dream of intellectuals") would be characterized as clearly "racist if it was someone else who said that"? If so, you really live in an Orwellian society where Black means White and White means Black.

That's the game. Welcome to the BRD.

friedrich braun
Thursday, November 25th, 2004, 06:54 PM
How can you live in the BRD without going insane?

I have this feeling that the BRD hates Germans.

Nordgau
Thursday, November 25th, 2004, 07:10 PM
I have this feeling that the BRD hates Germans.

The inscription "DEM DEUTSCHEN VOLKE" ("[Dedicated] to the German People") on the portal of the Reichstag building was "completed" within the building a few years ago with the vote of a majority of the Bundestag by the stupid "installation" "DER BEVÖLKERUNG" ("[Dedicated] to the Population") of some crap "artist", which was meant explicitely "anti-völkisch" to include the non-German immigrants and thwart the portal inscription. (As you can see, even the same type was used.)

http://home.t-online.de/home/u.gann/berlin/reichst35.jpg

http://www.bundestag.de/bau_kunst/kunstwerke/haacke/bevoelk1.jpeg

Aistulf
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:54 AM
Turkish "workers".

friedrich braun
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 02:14 PM
The fact that the BRD hates Germans shouldn't be all that surprising, after all this illegitimate entity and bastard creation was set up by the German-hating victorious Allies.



The inscription "DEM DEUTSCHEN VOLKE" ("[Dedicated] to the German People") on the portal of the Reichstag building was "completed" within the building a few years ago with the vote of a majority of the Bundestag by the stupid "installation" "DER BEVÖLKERUNG" ("[Dedicated] to the Population") of some crap "artist", which was meant explicitely "anti-völkisch" to include the non-German immigrants and thwart the portal inscription. (As you can see, even the same type was used.)

http://home.t-online.de/home/u.gann/berlin/reichst35.jpg

http://www.bundestag.de/bau_kunst/kunstwerke/haacke/bevoelk1.jpeg

Nordgau
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 12:52 PM
At least Schmidt becomes reasonable in old age and arouses the Turks' anger with his remarks, while his successor, the corrupt and worthless Helmut Kohl, became a good "friend" of the Turks in the last years. Fatso has excellent connections to the Turkish financial nobility since his son married the daughter of a banker from Istanbul, thus multiculturalism and race-mixture being practised directly in his family. Allegedly he also advocates the EU-membership of Turkey now.

GreenHeart
Friday, December 3rd, 2004, 03:33 PM
bringing millions of Turkish guest workers to Germany was a mistake.

I couldn't agree more.

Evolved
Friday, December 3rd, 2004, 07:11 PM
What made the Turkish guest worker program necessary in the first place? Heavy loss of life in WWII which Germany started?

cosmocreator
Saturday, December 4th, 2004, 08:08 AM
What made the Turkish guest worker program necessary in the first place? Heavy loss of life in WWII which Germany started?


No. Why are foreign workers brought into any Europe country -- or even Canada or the US? Keep wages down. Increase tax revenue. Increase corporate profits. Money. Power.