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friedrich braun
Friday, November 19th, 2004, 06:50 PM

Dr. Brandt
Friday, November 19th, 2004, 07:02 PM
But yesterday England fans threw the taunts back in Spain’s face and sang: “One Armada and NO World Cups.”

It was an ironic twist on the terrace chant aimed at German rivals - “Two World Wars and one World Cup”.

If that isn't typical!

Hey - they won 2 world Wars and can now celebrate it with Pakis, Indians and Niggers! Way to go Mr. John Bull[shit].

Saturday, November 20th, 2004, 12:07 AM
1 armada and no worldcup. Spain won the Eurocup, unlike England, and Real Madrid won the champion's league on its own as many times as all English teams combined (9 times, Wank U won it twice). Stupid idiots should just shut up, roll over and die.

Saturday, November 20th, 2004, 10:50 AM
I had a good laugh at this. In the newspapers there was a good screenshot of a Spanish supporter making monkey signs just in the background of a black England player. :biggrin:

Saturday, November 20th, 2004, 01:58 PM
Is the Sun a rag mag? The language used is so 'anti-racist' that I doubt even the NY Times would do something similar.

This is what the British team looked like when they won last? :viking1:


Saturday, November 20th, 2004, 05:28 PM

FIFA to investigate racist chanting in Spain
Thu 18 November, 2004 17:32

By Mark Meadows

LONDON (Reuters) - FIFA will investigate the racial abuse of England's black players during Wednesday's friendly against Spain in Madrid after British ministers condemned the "disgraceful" scenes and called for action.

Monkey noises were heard when Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips touched the ball during England's 1-0 defeat and chants of "If you are not f**king black, jump up and down" rang out from the 55,000 crowd at Real Madrid's Bernabeu stadium.

The Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) said it condemned the abuse before world soccer's governing body issued a statement saying it would demand answers from the federation over Wednesday's chanting and similar scenes in Tuesday's under-21 match between the two countries.

"FIFA will be investigating the circumstances of the two friendly matches between Spain and England as they come under FIFA's ambit," the statement said. "It will demand explanations from the Spanish football association."

The Spanish minister responsible for sport, Maria Jesus San Segundo, deplored the incidents.

"I condemn without doubt the racist displays that may have happened. These kind of comments are deplorable and we do not want them to be made at all, either in sporting events or in society in general," Segundo said.

The RFEF said it agreed with the government's statement and condemned "the racist attitude of a small group of Spanish fans."

The issue prompted Prime Minister Tony Blair to say he was "very disappointed" by the chants, and Carlos Miranda, Spain's ambassador to London, also deplored them.

"We completely condemn any form of racism in football or anywhere else," he told Reuters, adding that he had not had a chance to hear the taunts himself.


Sports minister Richard Caborn outlined what he thought should happen.

"I will be contacting FIFA...hopefully to encourage them to take the stiffest possible penalty," he told Sky Sports News.

"It was quite disgraceful. That is what we had on the terraces 20 or 30 years ago here in England."

Although deploring the incidents, the Spanish foreign ministry said the level of abuse was limited.

"I am certain that it was only a small element of the crowd and Spain strongly rejects such behaviour," a spokesman said.

The English FA had already complained that racist chanting marred the under-21 friendly and has contacted FIFA after Wednesday's scenes.

"Football as a whole should stand up and express its disgust at what has gone on here," FA spokesman Adrian Bevington said.

The Spanish Football Federation's press officer Fernando Garrido said the blame partly lay with English reporters, a sentiment echoed by the Spanish press on Thursday.


Spain coach Luis Aragones was at the centre of controversy in Britain last month when he made a racist remark about France striker Thierry Henry in an attempt to motivate his Arsenal team mate Jose Antonio Reyes.

"Were there racist chants against some players? This hasn't happened in the Spanish league and Spain for many years," he said. "So you (English reporters) should ask yourselves what you have done to contribute to all this."

The British press reacted angrily to the Madrid chants.

"England lost a football match last night but Spain shamefully lost something more important -- Spain lost their right to be considered a civilised football nation," the Daily Telegraph said.

In the 1980s, racism, along with hooliganism, blighted the English game but campaigns involving the top clubs have helped to all but eradicate it.

"Sanctions should include stopping all Spanish participation in European football until Spain comes up with an action plan," Piara Power, director of "Let's Kick Racism out of Football", told Reuters.

The Spanish national side has no black players although Brazilians Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos at Real Madrid, and Ronaldinho of Barcelona, encounter few problems in the Primera Liga. London and Madrid are among five cities battling for the right to host the 2012 Olympics. The International Olympic Committee said it would be making no direct comment.


Spanish fans chant during their friendly International match against England at the Bernabeu Stadium in Madrid. Spain won 1-0 with England players Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips being treated to a chorus of monkey noises every time they touched the ball, and large sections of the crowd joining in racist chants during the game. REUTERS/Darren Staples

Sunday, November 21st, 2004, 10:06 PM

Racism 'to cost [Spain] Olympics'

Whitehall Editor

SUPPORT for Madrid's bid to stage the 2012 Olympics crumbled yesterday after the racist chants at the Spain v England "friendly".

It came as Tony Blair predicted that sports-mad Britain WILL win the race to host the Games.

Bookies William Hill put Madrid's chances out to 10-1 from 8-1 after Wednesday's disgraceful crowd behaviour.

And last night furious MPs called for the Spanish capital to be ruled out of the race.

Ex-sports minister Tony Banks said: "The superb black athletes who will take part in the Games should not be forced to endure the abuse our players suffered in Madrid.

"Nobody should award them the Games now. It would be some justice for what happened this week."

England stars Ashley Cole, Shaun Wright-Phillips and Jermaine Jenas were subjected to Spanish bigots hurling disgraceful monkey taunts as England lost 1-0.

Piara Powar, director of anti-racism in sport group Kick It Out, said yesterday: "Spain has a problem with racism that needs to be dealt with before Madrid hosts the Olympic Games."
TV presenter and ex-Olympic swimmer Sharron Davies called the racist chants "a damning mark on Madrid's bid".

Sprinter Darren Campbell, who won gold at this year's Athens Games, said: "I was glad my five-year-old was in bed."

The Prime Minister yesterday said the passion of British sports fans was the main reason why London should host the Games.

He urged the nation to get behind our £4billion bid and said: "This country gets caught up in the excitement, competition and sheer drama of sport."

He cited the fervour over Kelly Holmes's double gold-winning feats in Athens, England's Rugby World Cup triumph and the support for the national soccer teams.

Mr Blair said he gave his "101 per cent" backing to a 600-page London masterplan, unveiled yesterday, which promises "the best Games the world has ever seen".

London plans to spend £3.87billion on an 80,000-seat stadium, new facilities, fast rail links, 9,000 homes in the Olympic village and new training centres around the UK.

Tickets will start at £10 with half of all seats less than £30.
William Hill makes Paris favourite at 4-9, London 9-4, with New York at 12-1 and Moscow way out at 33-1.

Sunday, November 21st, 2004, 10:23 PM
Sad thing is, they'll get the olympics for this too. Oh well, not as if I liked England before.

Sunday, November 21st, 2004, 11:21 PM

November 21, 2004

Racism in Spanish football

Spanish football is shot through with racism, writes Ian Hawkey. So who could possibly have been surprised by Wednesday’s debacle?

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gifNot long after the monkey chants had finished at the Bernabeu stadium last Wednesday, a trio of men addressed the public with what sounded like the chant of the three wise monkeys. “See no evil,” said the first, fiddling with his Spanish Football Federation (SFS) blazer, covering his eyes and claiming racism had been absent from his country’s arenas for years. “Hear no evil,” suggested the second, a superstar from Real Madrid, explaining that he’d not heard black footballers abused at the Bernabeu before. “Speak no evil,” muttered the last, the head coach of Spain, Luis Aragones, who declined to comment on how members of the crowd had behaved whenever a black England player came in contact with the ball. Aragones had been stained long before the event. He is the manager whose notorious remark about Thierry Henry a month ago had a bearing on how some in the audience for Spain-England conduct- ed themselves, and he had a confusing and unedifying exchange with reporters on the subject a day before the match.

His senior press officer, Fernando Garrido, was the man who said after the match that the racist chanting had been without precedent “for years” at Spanish grounds, suggesting that antagonism between Aragones and the British press had caused it.

The Real Madrid player who spoke also captains England, and although David Beckham’s statements were strong in condemnation of the abuse where Aragones and Garrido had been weak, one thing he said was surprising: the fact that he had never before heard racist abuse at the Bernabeu. That can only be down to the professional focus he puts into his football, the capacity to block out all surrounding sound.

On Wednesday, however, no player could block out the noise. The monkey chants pursued Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips as mechanically as a squeaky brake on an old car. Regulars at the stadium were appalled by the diversity and number of spectators involved, thousands of them chanting in unison, but the chants themselves were no novelty. Go anywhere near the south end of the Bernabeu when a black player opposing Real Madrid has the ball, and you will hear a choreographed “Oogh, oogh, oogh” sound coming from the mouths of hundreds of men. Ask Bayern Munich’s Ghanaian defender, Sami Kuffour, who endured the chant every time he touched the ball during Real Madrid’s Champions League match at the stadium last season.

At a full Bernabeu, that sound might not carry to the upper tiers. The difference on Wednesday night became a matter of volume, even of venom, and it carried as far as Downing Street and to an International Olympic Committee (IOC) weighing up the candidacy of Madrid as the possible host of the 2012 Games. What it was not was unique — not at the Bernabeu, nor in Spanish football. If any of the executives from Garrido ’s federation genuinely haven’t noticed, they should attend an early-round match in the the Copa del Rey, a tournament like the FA Cup, but with a prestige closer to that of the Carling Cup.

The competition’s charm lies in sending the glamour teams to smaller towns and cities. Its problem is that you can hear a chant more clearly. In four years of living in Spain and reporting on football in western Europe, a night at Nastic of Tarragona ranks as one of my definite lowlights, watching the local third-division club entertain the then League champions, Valencia, as men and boys of various ages entertained themselves by tirelessly grunting at the black centre-forward, John Carew. And that was in Catalonia, which likes to think itself more sophisticated, more in tune with vanguard Europe, than Madrid.

What did Carew think, I asked him. “I won’t say these things hurt, because people want to think they can demoralise you. The same supporters have black players in their teams and love them” he replied. Which would be precisely the point Thierry Henry made at Valencia, when he and Patrick Vieira were given the monkey rap by the crowd at Carew’s home ground 20 months ago. Henry pointed at Carew and gestured to his abusers , as if to say: “You know you’re abusing him, too?” Nobody at Arsenal or Liverpool would give much time to the idea that a Spanish crowd doesn’t do racism. Valencia has been a vile place for both clubs to visit.

“These things happen every week at Spanish grounds,” says Momo Sissoko, the Valencia and Mali footballer. “I hear these things in the Bernabeu, but not just in Madrid.” Sevilla have just been fined by Uefa for racist abuse this season.

Sissoko used to play in France and has noticed the difference at his new club. Spain is far worse than England for racism at football grounds, and worse than both its neighbours. In France, black footballers make up a higher proportion of the professional elite than anywhere in Europe, and incidents like last weekend’s confrontation between fans of Bastia and two black players are conspicuous for the outrage they provoke.

Colonial history also means that Portugal’s demographics are unlike Spain’s: black Portuguese citizens make up a much higher percentage of the overall population than black Spaniards. Benni McCarthy, the South Africa striker who has played in three European leagues, noted that being transferred from Celta Vigo in northwest Spain to Porto across the border meant a mere hour’s journey by road, but a significant change of attitude.

Playing in Portugal, he still hears the chants, but sees fewer of the props. “In Spain, they throw you a banana,” says McCarthy. “Unbelievable. Every time you touch the ball or do something good, they make their monkey noise. And then there are five black players in their team. So are they monkeys like me? They think it will make you lose concentration. I’ll never understand it. It’s just small-minded, but it’ s going to take time to change.”

How long? Last week, Spain looked like a country trapped in a different epoch, its image that of the 66-year-old Aragones, clumsy, stubborn and busily arguing his way into disgrace. Nobody in Spanish football will accept that Aragones has racist attitudes, and it has been possible to hear Spaniards arguing that a phrase like negro de mierda — black shit, as he referred to Henry — need not make him one, that all he was being was vulgar. A “colloquialism” he called it, before apologising publicly, although not directly to Henry. Kiki Musampa, the Atletico Madrid winger, says opposing players use those sorts of colloquialisms, too. Spaniards can be very careless about their colloquialisms. Even in educated company, words such as the derogatory moro — a North African — are used casually.

By Tuesday last week, the idea was taking hold among Spanish fans that British outrage at Aragones’s racist remark was an overreaction, a failure of understanding by a nation that bans fox-hunting towards one that fights bulls. By Wednesday, Aragones had become a cause. Spanish newspapers wrote of his being provoked by journalists asking about the Henry story. One claimed that reports of racist abuse at the under-21 match between the two countries were untrue. At the Bernabeu, some spectators drew up a banner: “Aragones 1, Henry 0.” Others decided the occasion had become a legitimate place for arguing political positions. Chants of “Gibraltar, Espanol!” were to be expected. A banner that started with the words “Stop Immigration” and went on so long — about “preserving our culture” among other things — that its owners had difficulty draping it from the second tier of the stadium established one agenda. A song usually restricted to the Ultras — “Jump up if you’re not black” — would later be heard in various parts of the Bernabeu. The monkey chants worked like a contagion, louder in the second half than they had been in the first. A number of appalled Madrilenos noted how many of the chanters looked expensively dressed, moneyed people. Watching on the television from England, Jose Mourinho and Carlos Queiroz, who have coached in La Liga, thought the high number of children and teenagers in the crowd may have contributed.

“I was completely surprised,” says Queiroz, the Real Madrid head coach throughout last season. “I can’t remember anything like that. I prefer to believe it was an exceptional situation and the result of the atmosphere created around the game following the comments from the national coach (Aragones), story after story, built up into a big confrontation. Some fans, some kids, wanted to play that game. From what I know, Real Madrid fans don’t behave like that.”
Most don’t, and Queiroz probably avoided men such as Jose Luis Ochaita, a former leader of the Ultras Sur group who took centre stage at the Bernabeu at the high-profile Madrid-Milan Champions League match in March last year Ochaita was once banned from Spanish stadiums for three years for violent behaviour and is described by Tomas Vera, of the Madrid immigration authority, as “a racist Nazi”.

Still, on the night of Milan’s visit, he joined Raul, the Madrid and Spain captain, in making a public presentation in front of the stadium’s south grandstand to the popular former Madrid player Fernando Redondo. Vera later called the two footballers “imbeciles” for legitimising the Ultras Sur.

Real Madrid have tackled some of the institutional racism attached to a club that has heavy associations with Franco. The Ultras Sur used to be indulged with tickets and given unofficial licence to peddle their right-wing paraphernalia around the stadium. Their offensive insignia and chants have not gone away, but they are quieter, even if that wouldn’t be much consolation to Bayern’s Kuffour.

It’s not just Madrid. Barcelona president Joan Laporta woke up to threatening graffiti near his home when he introduced measures against the Boixos Nois group. Explaining them is hard, too: the Boixos used to have a member who wore a Hitler T-shirt and bellowed, “Fascist!” at opposing players.

These are internal initiatives from Spain’s two most powerful sporting institutions. For the national team, the SFS will be punished for the crowd behaviour at Spain-England, possibly obliged after a Fifa investigation to play Spain’s next international behind closed doors.

Certainly, they will be fined. The threat to Madrid’s Olympic bid depends on how vividly IOC voters imagine a repeat of, say, the 2000 Olympic final — Cameroon versus Spain — might be applauded or jeered in the Bernabeu.

On Friday, the SFS sent an apology to the FA, and has restated its intention to continue the United Against Racism campaign undermined by its constituents during the England match. One newspaper ran a leader on Thursday suggesting that Aragones should go. “A national coach represents Spanish football, and if he doesn’t know how to set an example against xenophobia, he should stop doing it,” said El Periodico. Other papers had devoted more space and soul-searching to the issue by the week’s end, but none followed that line.

Aragones will appear before the National Anti-Violence Commission on Tuesday to explain his comments before the England match and his silent position afterwards.

“If everyone mobilises, you can do something,” says Sissoko. But to expect a dynamic lead from the Spanish federation may be over-optimistic. It is a body most troubled in recent years by allegations of expense-fiddling and vote-rigging. There is an election coming up for leadership of the federation, but anybody imagining that the racism crisis might be an issue will be disappointed. Candidates have barely said a word on it: it’s not a vote-winner.

In contrast, they might look at Holland, where match officials are now allowed to stop games because of what is being said or sung in the stands. In The Hague last month, it happened. Referee Rene Temmink suspended Den Haag’s match with PSV Eindhoven 10 minutes from the end, when he’d heard enough. The mayor then gave his authority to abandon the match, all the points being awarded to the visitors. At the risk of granting loudmouths the power to stop a match, the move at least puts clubs on alert to monitor their fans, makes them more vigilant, and marks out the distinction between what is banter and what is plain bad.

Sunday, November 21st, 2004, 11:27 PM

November 21, 2004

Spain confronts its fascist demons

Ed Owen, Madrid and Peter Conradi

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gifFOR those who turned out yesterday in the pale autumn sunshine that lit up the Guadarrama mountains, northwest of Madrid, it was the most sacred day in the calendar. Thousands of mourners, many wearing sunglasses and blue shirts reminiscent of the fascist uniform, travelled to the last resting place of General Francisco Franco for a mass marking the 29th anniversary of the Spanish dictator’s death.

Joined by Franco’s daughter, Carmen Franco Polo, the crowd watched as the shadow of a 500ft-high cross above his tomb lengthened across the sierra. Then they moved inside the cavernous basilica which Franco had carved for himself out of the sheer rock by political prisoners.

This annual reminder of its fascist past came at an uncomfortable moment for Spain, which found itself under scrutiny last week after a football friendly with England was marred by racist chants directed at the visiting black players.

Displays of the type seen on Wednesday at Real Madrid’s Bernabeu stadium sit uneasily with Spain’s image as one of Europe’s most dynamic and progressive countries. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the socialist prime minister swept to power in March in the aftermath of the Madrid train bombings, has championed liberal causes such as the legalisation of gay marriage.

The Spanish media and football authorities glossed over the incident at first, accusing their British counterparts of a witch-hunt. Some hinted the fuss was little more than an attempt to spoil Madrid’s hopes of beating London to host the 2012 Olympics. But as the week went on and Miguel Angel Moratinos, the foreign minister, apologised on behalf of the government, the mood changed.

The Spanish football federation must have known it was taking a risk by staging the first international in 10 years at Bernabeu. For years Real Madrid has been criticised for appearing to tolerate on its stands Ultra Sur, a band of neo-Nazi supporters only recently banned from waving the swastika flag. Its members are believed to have led the chanting.

It has emerged that a number of black footballers at Spanish clubs, such as Samuel Eto’o, Barcelona’s star striker from Cameroon, regularly suffer racist abuse during matches.

Although Eto’o has said he accepts praise and insults as a fact of football life, Momo Sissoko, 19, from Mali, a midfield player for Valencia, is having as bad a season as his club.

“They insult me every week in Spain,” Sissoko told Marca, a sports paper. “Things need to change. This happens every week at football grounds in Spain. The situation is serious.”

Spain has been struggling to assimilate an rise in the number of immigrants — increasingly from Africa — that has transformed it in less than 10 years from a largely homogeneous nation into a multicultural one. The infrastructure is struggling to cope. With unemployment at 10.5%, job prospects are not as rosy as the new arrivals hoped.

A clear alarm was sounded in El Ejido, a dusty provincial town near Almeria, southeast Spain, to which Moroccans and other immigrants flock to tend salad, vegetable and fruit crops grown under plastic sheeting. In February 2000 the worst race riots seen in Spain broke out after a mentally ill Moroccan killed a local woman.

Although there has been no repetition of such violence, experts say anecdotal evidence suggests racist attacks — though not recorded by police — have increased. The strain intensified after the Madrid train bombings by Islamic extremists that killed 191 on March 11. Last month 150 in Siguerlin de Santa Coloma de Gramenet, near Barcelona, shouted insults outside a mosque during Ramadan.

There have also been claims that the police and judiciary are biased against minorities. A provincial court in Huelva, south-west Spain, this month absolved three men of killing a 60-year-old Moroccan at a bus station. In Madrid 50 people, mainly Africans, demonstrated after a Spanish nightclub bouncer was found not guilty of killing a 16-year-old Angolan.

Analysts warn against singling out Spaniards for criticism at a time when race relations in some European countries have been imperilled, apparently by surges in immigration coupled with heightened fears of Islamic terrorism.

The phenomenon was demonstrated by the backlash in Holland after the killing in Amsterdam this month of Theo Van Gogh, a Dutch film-maker whose work outraged Muslims.

Paul Preston, a professor of Spanish history at the London School of Economics, said Spain was almost alone in Europe in not having a strong anti-immigrant party.

“A lot of Franco’s rhetoric was about evil foreigners and getting back to the quintessence of Spanishness and a lot of that has left some kind of legacy, especially among older people,” Preston said. “Franco tried to keep alive the burning hatreds in Spain between victors and vanquished in the civil war. The irony is that a huge swathe of the population, probably 90%, completely reject violence and dictatorship. Spain remains a place of contradictions.”