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friedrich braun
Wednesday, October 27th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Germans lay on 5-star visit to lure British teachers away from Nazi image of history

Rare 'freebie' brings night at the opera and penthouse suite

Luke Harding in Berlin
Tuesday October 26, 2004
The Guardian

Sitting on a stool in one of Berlin's most expensive Italian restaurants, Peter Liddell recalled the moment when he had been asked whether he would like an all-expenses paid trip to Germany. Mr Liddell, a comprehensive schoolteacher in Burgess Hill, west Sussex, gave the offer a brief thought. "You don't get many freebies in teaching," he explained. "And so I thought: 'Why not? Quite frankly who wouldn't?"
Yesterday Mr Liddell was one of 20 English history teachers taking part in an unprecedented exercise in re-education, paid for by the German government.

Fed up with Britain's continuing obsession with Hitler, the Germany embassy in London came up last month with a novel plan. Why not invite a group of English history teachers to Germany, put them up in a five-star hotel, throw in an opera, and hope that their positive experience of modern Germany rubs off on what they teach?

And so yesterday Mr Liddell and his colleagues found themselves wandering in front of the Reichstag, Germany's imposing parliament building, courtesy of the German taxpayer. Over the weekend they visited the Berlin state opera "It wasn't a great experience," Mr Liddell said. "The woman next to me fell asleep." He had a tour of the Brandenburg Gate; and met top officials at Germany's foreign ministry.

The unusual invitation followed an attack last week by Germany's foreign minister Joschka Fischer, who accused the British media of perpetuating a "goose-stepping" image of Germany that was three generations out of date. Germany's ambassador to Britain, Thomas Mattusek, had complained that English history teaching focuses excessively on the Nazi period. The history curriculum was "unbalanced". It said little about the successes of post-war Germany, ignored German reunification, and glossed over other crucial chunks of German history.

Speaking after a three-course Italian lunch, Mr Liddell yesterday said he did teach his students about Hitler and the Third Reich. But keeping the attention of 14-year-old GCSE pupils was no mean feat. "Kids find the Nazi period interesting. A lot of things happen. There is plenty of violence. You have to bear in mind that at 14 kids can drop history altogether."

He added: "Post-war German history is more sophisticated and convoluted and is therefore harder to teach."

What about Germany's great post-war chancellor Willy Brandt, who ushered in a historic period of detente between east and west Germany? Could he teach that? "It's a bit dry isn't it," Mr Liddell said.

Other teachers invited on the six-day trip, which includes visits to Berlin, Dresden and Bonn, admitted that Germany's image in the UK could be better. "British children can be bigoted and uninterested. The general impression is that Germans are all Nazis who steal sun loungers," Stephen Daughton, who teaches history at a Newcastle comprehensive and spent teenage holidays in Germany, said. "This is obviously a cartoon-style view. The problem is that if you ask them seriously they have no view of Germany at all."

Other teachers blamed England's prescriptive curriculum, which left huge chunks of history out. "Europe disappears entirely after the Norman invasion and only reappears in the 20th century," Gerald Clarke, a teacher at Torquay Boys Grammar School, said. "I think the problem with the Nazis is that they are sexy. Evil is fascinating."

Yesterday German officials defended their decision to pay for British teachers to come to Germany - and said that Mr Fischer had a point. "We didn't know that he would say what he said. But for sometime we have had the feeling that we have to do something about this misperception," one official said.

"The problem is that on British TV you get endless movies that show goose-stepping SS soldiers. The level of ignorance is stunning. We've even met postgraduates at Oxford who didn't know about [communist] east Germany." The trip cost the German government 52,000 (36,000) and it might be repeated if the money was well spent, the official said. Last year the education secretary Charles Clarke said he sympathised with German complaints about English history teaching but refused to downgrade the role of Hitler.

"Do I think there is a systematic distortion through the national curriculum of German history designed to misrepresent modern Germany? No, I don't," he said, during a visit to Bonn. Last night one British official said there was an ongoing debate about teaching history in Britain and that no firm conclusions had been reached. "This isn't just confined to Germany. Should children learn about the potato famine in Ireland, the American constitution or about feminism in Victorian England? There is a wide debate in the UK."

Before setting off to Dresden last night, meanwhile, some of the teachers said they were astonished at the lavish hospitality provided by the German government.

"I found myself in the penthouse suite of a five-star hotel," Mr Daughton said, before a German government tour bus whisked him off to the Reichstag. "We discovered later that even the mini-bar was free. We would never have been able to stay anywhere like that normally as teachers."

Had the trip worked? Would he teach Germany differently now? "I'm doubtful," Mr Daughton said.

Dr. Brandt
Wednesday, October 27th, 2004, 10:16 PM
This is laughable and outragous!
With our tax-money the establishment pigs of the allied puppetregime are trying to "bribe" english teachers to like Germans. they complaint that the english are to focused on the NS-period, while at the same time you get the NS-period shoved down your throat in germany almost every single day of the year. Not a week passes without them reporting about this time period.

I can asure you that this will change nothing. And frankly I'm quite happy about it. I don't want the Anglos to like us.

Wednesday, October 27th, 2004, 10:24 PM
I don't want the Anglos to like us.

May I ask why not? :scratch: :confused:

friedrich braun
Wednesday, October 27th, 2004, 10:56 PM
The general impression is that Germans are all Nazis

HAH!!! I only wish that was true!!!

The German limp-wristed lemmings I meet here all want to apologize to the world for being German. They have no backbone whatsoever. I laugh at these cretins who think that they're "good" because they're weak.

What a scandal!!! A great way to spend Germans' money -- on fucking Brits!!! -- they hate us even more, you can only have contempt for someone who licks your feet like that "...oh...like us...please...like us...will you like us if we give you money?", my hatred for the anti-German, illegitimate, judaised, Bastardstate has no bounds.

Thursday, October 28th, 2004, 08:07 PM
The unusual invitation followed an attack last week by Germany's foreign minister Joschka Fischer, who accused the British media of perpetuating a "goose-stepping" image of Germany that was three generations out of date.

Well, what are mind- and power-controlling left-liberal assholes like Joschka doing here all time? Aren't they telling us 24 hours the day that "Auschwitz", the "shame for the past", the "German guilt" etc. must be the focus of German thinking, mentality, and politicy?

Wednesday, November 3rd, 2004, 08:49 PM
I hate the English and I live here.

You should remember that there a few like-minded people in Britain (I mean a few, I couldn't pretend there are many, but there are LOADS of lemmings in England, and I freely admit that).

It is difficult finding a decent Englishwoman, they have been Jewed over beyond belief.

I would have no problem apologising to Germans. You were on the right side, there's no doubt in my mind about that.