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Bodewin
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 07:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swing_Movement_in_Nazi_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_Pirates

I would appreciate your thoughts.

Oskorei
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 12:29 PM
On October 25, 1944, Heinrich Himmler ordered a crackdown on the group, and in late November of that year, a group of thirteen Edelweißpiraten were publicly hanged in Cologne. Among the victims was Barthel Schink, a sixteen-year-old leader of the local "Navajos."

If that is true, it is shameful. We dont hang our own children.

The general suppression of the Swing youth culture I find healthy, but it has to be within certain limits.

Evolved
Thursday, October 14th, 2004, 11:55 AM
The government as cultural babysitter? No thanks.

Dr. Brandt
Thursday, October 14th, 2004, 02:12 PM
If that is true, it is shameful. We dont hang our own children.

The general suppression of the Swing youth culture I find healthy, but it has to be within certain limits.

There s nothing "shamefull" in hanging traitors! We hanged no one for listening to the wrong music, but for crimes they commited. Hiding deserters, draftdodging, spreading anti-propaganda during a war for our national survival isn't a petty crime.
Also children couldn't be punished to death. So they were for sure over 18!

If 17year old Kids die at the front for Germany, then these scumbags can just as well die on the gallows.


The government as cultural babysitter? No thanks.

It depends on the Goverment, doesn't it. If the "Goverment" doesn't watch over the purity and cleanness of our cultural heritage, who else will? We could leave it to Haim Saban and other jewish media-moguls, eh?

Oskorei
Thursday, October 14th, 2004, 03:24 PM
There s nothing "shamefull" in hanging traitors! We hanged no one for listening to the wrong music, but for crimes they commited. Hiding deserters, draftdodging, spreading anti-propaganda during a war for our national survival isn't a petty crime.
Also children couldn't be punished to death. So they were for sure over 18!


On Wikipedia it said that one of them was 16 years old, and if true, that is too early to take the consequences of ones actions 100%. Then again, this was during total war, but I still dont agree with every single action that the Reich made.

Argonaut
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 11:15 PM
Quote from the article :

Despite this, not all jazz was forbidden in Germany at the time. Due to the popularity of this type of music, they permitted a milder, slower, "Germanized" version under strict regulations. Swing was tolerated to some degree at least until 1940, when a Swing festival, held in Hamburg, attracted over 500 youths.

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The following link should be of interest. It gives the dance band regulations during the Reich, as written by SS Reichsmusikführer Baldur von Blodheim :

http://www.shellac.org/wams/wnazi02.html

Stig NHF
Monday, August 8th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Youths above the age of 14 were deemed old enough to be held accountable for their actions in NS-Germany.

TisaAnne
Monday, August 8th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Youths above the age of 14 were deemed old enough to be held accountable for their actions in NS-Germany.

One must also take into consideration that the mind-set of young people back then was much different than it is now... There was much more responsibility and maturity present among the youth of that era than is present among the pampered and swaddled teenagers of today.

While holding a child of that age accountable in modern times would seem inconcievable by most, 50 or 60 years ago it was normal, and expected.

Stig NHF
Monday, August 8th, 2005, 12:33 PM
Exactly.