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Guest
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 06:11 AM
Greetings everybody!
This is my first post here; after having read my way through many of the very interesting existing threads, I got curious if you could and would recommend me some books that you consider to be of particular importance to your current view on different aspects of the principle of nationality.

What I would like to know is therefore especially which books you consider to have contributed the most to your understanding of the characther (either in general or more specific) of nations, national identity and nationalism...

I'm looking a lot forward to some interesting recommendations of great litterature, whether they'll be wide or deep in their scope :)

NSFreja
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 10:27 AM
Greetings everybody!
This is my first post here; after having read my way through many of the very interesting existing threads, I got curious if you could and would recommend me some books that you consider to be of particular importance to your current view on different aspects of the principle of nationality.

What I would like to know is therefore especially which books you consider to have contributed the most to your understanding of the characther (either in general or more specific) of nations, national identity and nationalism...

I'm looking a lot forward to some interesting recommendations of great litterature, whether they'll be wide or deep in their scope :)After studies about Naionalism in University, i can recommend the books we used there.
Don't know if they would help you in whatever you want to know, but still, they are good reading about the history of nationalism...

- Den svenskaste historien - Nationalism i Sverige under sex sekler by Patrik Hall
- Nationens röst by Sverker Sörlin
- Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson
- Nations and Nationalism by Ernest Gellner
- The invention of traditions by Eric Hobsbawn & Terence Rangers

/M

Guest
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 04:42 PM
Hi Guest, yeah those are indeed interesting books - I have allready read them though... you recommended two of them to me a short while ago on msn. ;)

This time I'm a bit more interested in which books that has helped to form, or at least influence, other nordic patriots national conciousness.

I, for my part, believe that I've found some of the best, most basic and fundamental arguments for the adherence to the principle of nationality in the ontology of the German philosopher Martin Heidegger, and of course one of my favourite books is therefore his "Sein und Zeit", and naturally also Hans-Georg Gadamers follow-up "Wahrheit und Methode". But also socio-biology as practised by the likes of Pierre L. van den Berghe, fascinates me.

There are of course many more than the above mentioned thinkers and books that have inspired me, but for the moment I would very much like to see which sources of inspiration the regulars of this forum primarily base themselves upon in their views and interpretations.

NSFreja
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 04:54 PM
Hi Guest, yeah those are indeed interesting books - I have allready read them though... you recommended two of them to me a short while ago on msn. ;)

This time I'm a bit more interested in which books that has helped to form, or at least influence, other nordic patriots national conciousness.

I, for my part, believe that I've found some of the best, most basic and fundamental arguments for the adherence to the principle of nationality in the ontology of the German philosopher Martin Heidegger, and of course one of my favourite books is therefore his "Sein und Zeit", and naturally also Hans-Georg Gadamers follow-up "Wahrheit und Methode". But also socio-biology as practised by the likes of Pierre L. van den Berghe, fascinates me.

There are of course many more than the above mentioned thinkers and books that have inspired me, but for the moment I would very much like to see which sources of inspiration the regulars of this forum primarily base themselves upon in their views and interpretations.You should have told me it was you... ;)
Nice to see you signed up after all :)

/M

Guest
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 05:11 PM
hehe, yeah... I'm sorry, but I haven't seen you on msn lately and I thought I shouldn't post something with only personal relevance here... I chose this name because that is what I allready use on www.danskfront.dk

NSFreja
Monday, September 27th, 2004, 12:07 AM
Doesn't seem like anyone else is reading books about this ;)

/M

Guest
Monday, September 27th, 2004, 01:04 AM
nah, but I'm actually a bit surprised by that - I thought this was something which a lot of patriots would be interested in, since it is something that lies at the root of what we are about...

Even though my questions for litterature on these matters primarily concerns the nation as something central to human existence, identity and action in the world, I would also gladly see recommendations of books on subjects such as patriotism, race and racialism as well. I'm very open-minded so there's no need for anyone to hold themselves back if they've got something to contribute with. ;)

I belief that by now I've read through most of the modern conventional litterature on nations and nationalism (such as Anthony D. Smith; Hutchinson; Huntington; Hobsbawm; Gellner; Andersson; Miller and more), but I'm none-the-less sure that many of you know some litterature on these matters that have missed my attention, and that I should be familiar with in order to enhance my understanding of these important aspects of our existence and the world in which it takes place. It would then be my hope that we could share some insights and benefit from each others reading, and maybe even create some deeper discussions of some of the litterature, authors and theories... :)

Nordgau
Monday, September 27th, 2004, 02:31 AM
:coffee: I've got something nice in my bookshelf:

Lothar Stengel-von Rutkowski: "Was ist ein Volk? Der biologische Volksbegriff. Eine kulturbiologische Untersuchung seiner Definition und seiner Bedeutung für Wissenschaft, Weltanschauung und Politik" ["What is a Folk? The Biological Folk Concept. A Culture-Biological Examination of Its Definition and Its Importance for Science, Ideology and Politics"] (1940)

The author was SS officer and had a leading position in the Thuringian Rasseamt(race office). That book was his thesis for the habilitation (qualifying examination for lecturing at a university). :icon_ques In the point of view which it takes certainly a bit different from Benedict Anderson. :rofl:

cosmocreator
Monday, September 27th, 2004, 06:15 AM
I've thought about your request, but I have nothing to offer. Can't even recall if I've ever read a book on nationalism.

Guest
Tuesday, September 28th, 2004, 02:15 AM
:coffee: I've got something nice in my bookshelf:

Lothar Stengel-von Rutkowski: "Was ist ein Volk? Der biologische Volksbegriff. Eine kulturbiologische Untersuchung seiner Definition und seiner Bedeutung für Wissenschaft, Weltanschauung und Politik" ["What is a Folk? The Biological Folk Concept. A Culture-Biological Examination of Its Definition and Its Importance for Science, Ideology and Politics"] (1940)

The author was SS officer and had a leading position in the Thuringian Rasseamt(race office). That book was his thesis for the habilitation (qualifying examination for lecturing at a university). :icon_ques In the point of view which it takes certainly a bit different from Benedict Anderson. :rofl:


That sounds as a really interesting book. Do you know where (or if...) it can be bought? I've tried to search a bit for it several places the past day, but I haven't managed to find anything particularly usefull, exept for a few modern books about the author and the German scientific environment of his time...

Could you maybe tell me a bit about the main thesis of this book? (It allways makes me sympathetic to hear of someone or something in opposition to Anderson ;) )

NSFreja
Tuesday, September 28th, 2004, 04:49 PM
That sounds as a really interesting book. Do you know where (or if...) it can be bought? I've tried to search a bit for it several places the past day, but I haven't managed to find anything particularly usefull, exept for a few modern books about the author and the German scientific environment of his time...

Could you maybe tell me a bit about the main thesis of this book? (It allways makes me sympathetic to hear of someone or something in opposition to Anderson ;) )Have you tried www.antikvariat.net (http://www.antikvariat.net)?
I use to buy books from there...

/M

Nordgau
Thursday, September 30th, 2004, 12:14 PM
That sounds as a really interesting book. Do you know where (or if...) it can be bought? I've tried to search a bit for it several places the past day, but I haven't managed to find anything particularly usefull, exept for a few modern books about the author and the German scientific environment of his time...

That book is indeed rather seldom, and I was lucky to get a copy of it, but since then I have never saw it offered anymore anywhere.


Could you maybe tell me a bit about the main thesis of this book? (It allways makes me sympathetic to hear of someone or something in opposition to Anderson ;) )

Yes, I can do that, but not in the moment, as some time passed since I read it, and I generally have not much time in the moment.

As a book from 1940 it's of course not on the "modern" level of research, but I guess it wouldn't be really impossible to write a "modern" work with quite the same basic thesis, but considering "modern" theories. That's not more than an ideological claim of our days that the positive-national or racialist position is something automatically "unscientific" or "outdated". Our academic world is so degenerated... I remember one of my academic teachers having made the remark of "the beginning of the so-called German history in the 16th century, even if nobody knew that name at that time". It would have been easy for me to make a complete idiot out of him and to prove that "deutsch" as a clear ethnic designation for the German land and people is in use since the 11th century (and the 10th/11th century is where one dates normally the beginning of German history) and that especially the 15th and 16th century were a time where the nation-idea got new impulses. He was however a teacher of sociology, not of history...