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Telperion
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 02:18 AM
Estonia Unveils Nazi War Monument

An Estonian town has unveiled a controversial monument to honour those who fought with Nazi forces against the Soviet Union in World War II. The monument depicts an Estonian soldier in German military uniform.The local authorities in the western town of Lihula said they wanted to honour those Estonians who had to choose between the two sides.



But the Estonian Prime Minister, Juhan Parts, described the monument as a provocation. An investigation is underway into whether it could incite political hostilities.




'Less evil one'

About 2,000 people attended the unveiling ceremony on Friday."This monument is for people who had to choose between two evils, and they chose the less evil one," Tiit Madisson, the governor of the Lihula parish, was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.


"They had already experience of the Soviet occupation, and they didn't want it to come back," he added. A plaque on the monument reads: "To Estonian men who fought in 1940-1945 against Bolshevism and for the restoration of Estonian independence."



Correspondents say no official protest had been received from Russia, which was widely expected to condemn the monument.



Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3585272.stm (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc .co.uk%2F2%2Fhi%2Feurope%2F3585272.stm)

Vlad Cletus
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 02:18 PM
The monument shouldn't be condemned if it's only for the memorial of a good cause. For the average citizen, Communism can be horrifying and limiting.

Weren't there Estonian SS Units though?

Son of Thor
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 03:22 PM
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1931

Evolved
Monday, August 23rd, 2004, 10:50 AM
Correspondents say no official protest had been received from Russia, which was widely expected to condemn the monument.

How is this offensive to Russians? Maybe to Communists. I think it is funny how they write 'Russia condemns Estonia', as if they took a vote or something. :D They really should clarify that it is a representative of some obscure 'Ministry of Condemnation of Statues' or Putin's speech writer doing the condemning.

Telperion
Monday, August 23rd, 2004, 04:20 PM
Yes, journalists often conflate the opinions of a government with those of an entire people. Even so, I suspect that many ordinary Russians would find a pro-German war monument to be offensive (although many Estonians probably find the Soviet war monuments in Estonia to be just as offensive).

Stríbog
Monday, August 23rd, 2004, 04:25 PM
Given the threat Russia and the USSR have presented to Estonia's independence as a nation and very existence as an ethnicity, I don't think the monument is really unjustified. Everything is going to offend *someone.*

Telperion
Monday, August 23rd, 2004, 04:54 PM
The monument is certainly justified from the point of view of Estonians. I was simply speculating on how Russians would view it.

NSFreja
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 07:39 PM
09.08.2004
Estonia determined to erect monument to SS legionaries
Tallinn.(Interfax) - The authorities of the Estonian town of Lihula are planning to install a monument to the soldiers who fought with the 20th Estonian SS division during WWII, an idea the city of Parnu earlier rejected.

It is planned to unveil the monument at the Tamme park on August 20, the anniversary of the restoration of Estonia's independence, the regional newspaper Laane Elu reported on Saturday. Lihula district culture advisor Kersti Ajaots said the monument "should also remind the people of the students of the Lihula gymnasium [high school] who fought and died in WWII."

Chairman of the Lihula district assembly Jaak Kastepold said, however, that the this local government body has yet to consider the installation of the monument next week. "It is not yet finally decided upon. I personally believe the Estonian soldiers should be commemorated," he said.

The monument depicts a soldier wearing a German army uniform and a helmet, with the German Iron Cross on his chest.

Estonian soldiers in World War 2 fought with the German army against the Soviet Union, which had invaded the Baltic states, along with Finland, between 1939-1940. After German forces began their retreat from the Soviet Union towards the end of the war, the Red Army's advance was held up for some 8 months in Estonia, as Estonian fighters, many working with the German army, held off the Red Army.

The monument was erected in downtown Parnu in 2002, but the city administration had nothing to do but remove it under public opinion's pressure nine days later. The Russian Foreign Ministry also condemned the idea at the time.
http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Est&pg=0&id=5746096&req=


24.08.2004
Moscow calls Estonia monument to SS soldiers "blasphemous"
Moscow. (Interfax) - The Russian Foreign Ministry has called a monument to servicemen of the 20th Estonian SS division in Lihula, Estonia "blasphemous," a source in the ministry's press department told Interfax on Monday.

"The opening of the monument in Lihula is a disgraceful act, which insults the memory of victims of fascism throughout the world. It looks particularly blasphemous against the background of recent celebrations of the 60th anniversary of D-Day in Normandy and preparations for the 60th V-Day," said a commentary issued by the press department.

Moscow "is seriously concerned about the growing revanchist tendencies in the country, which has recently become a member of the European Union and NATO," the commentary said.

The ministry wondered at "the attitude of Brussels to the intensified activities of former accomplices of fascists in Estonia, who are trying to revise the results of the Second World War."

"It is not a secret for anyone, including people in Estonia, that the process of presenting servicemen of the 20th Estonian SS division as heroes is obviously escalating in that country," the commentary said.

For details, see the Interfax Diplomatic Panorama for August 23.
http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Est&pg=0&id=5749619&req=


06.09.2004
Moscow expects Estonia to stop turning SS legionaries into heroes
Moscow. (Interfax) - Moscow expects Tallinn to further oppose attempts to turn SS legionaries into heroes, the Russian Foreign Ministry information and press department said.

"We naturally noticed yesterday's dismantling of a monument in Lihula at the Estonian government's instruction and the public statements by Estonian officials negatively assessing its erection, which preceded this event," it said.

Moscow expects that Tallinn "will continue to oppose attempts to turn SS legionaries, whose activities were recognized as criminal by the Nuremberg Tribunal, into heroes," it said.
http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Est&pg=0&id=5752859&req=


07.09.2004
Estonia's Lihula Monument Removed
The Lihula monument, which was to commemorate Estonia's WWII freedom fighters, was removed by police Thursday evening by order of the Estonian government.
Police used batons and pepper gas on a crowd of over 100 local residents. The locals threw stones at the removal crew and police vehicles, injuring the operator of the crane that was to put the monument into a truck. Eleven police and rescue department vehicles were damaged.
The monument depicted a soldier wearing German uniform and was, according to the government, illegal and "damaged the image of Estonia regardless of the goals pursued by its initiators." A government statement stated, "The Estonian government does not consider it appropriate to built monuments that may be interpreted as an attempt to commemorate totalitarian regimes that had occupied Estonia."
Upon unveiling, the monument had been condemned by Russian and Jewish interest groups.
The government expressed readiness to work with the local government in erecting a more appropriate monument.
http://www.balticsworldwide.com/wkcrier/daily_news.htm




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Zyklop
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 08:14 PM
What a pitiful story.
Hail to the proud men of the Waffen-SS!

Nightmare_Gbg
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 08:18 PM
I go along whit what zyklop said.

NSFreja
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 08:21 PM
What a pitiful story.
Hail to the proud men of the Waffen-SS!Yes...I totally agree with you...

I personally know the guy that let this monument be made, he paid for it etc and it's not the first time it have been removed...and i guess it's not the last time they will raise it...

/M

NSFreja
Monday, September 13th, 2004, 12:59 AM
Tuesday—September 7, 2004

Estonia's Lihula Monument Removed
The Lihula monument, which was to commemorate Estonia's WWII freedom fighters, was removed by police Thursday evening by order of the Estonian government.
Police used batons and pepper gas on a crowd of over 100 local residents. The locals threw stones at the removal crew and police vehicles, injuring the operator of the crane that was to put the monument into a truck. Eleven police and rescue department vehicles were damaged.
The monument depicted a soldier wearing German uniform and was, according to the government, illegal and "damaged the image of Estonia regardless of the goals pursued by its initiators." A government statement stated, "The Estonian government does not consider it appropriate to built monuments that may be interpreted as an attempt to commemorate totalitarian regimes that had occupied Estonia."
Upon unveiling, the monument had been condemned by Russian and Jewish interest groups.
The government expressed readiness to work with the local government in erecting a more appropriate monument.

http://www.balticsworldwide.com/wkcrier/daily_news.htm

svartabrandr
Monday, September 13th, 2004, 03:19 AM
:burnThis makes me mad. :burn

Awar
Monday, September 13th, 2004, 04:05 AM
I guess Russians did object, only more efficiently than just talk.

Telperion
Monday, September 13th, 2004, 05:46 AM
I am not surprised, since Russia is still capable of exercising at least some influence (albeit in varying degrees) in all of the former Soviet republics.

Ogmios22188
Monday, September 13th, 2004, 09:43 PM
This is a shame. All soldiers deserve to be honored.

Siegmund
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 08:29 PM
Upon unveiling, the monument had been condemned by Russian and Jewish interest groups. The government expressed readiness to work with the local government in erecting a more appropriate monument.
Sixty thousand Estonians died at the hands of the bolsheviks, so it's no wonder many Estonians welcomed the Germans as liberators. Himmler has been quoted as saying that racially Estonians (and Latvians) "could not be distinguished from Germans. The Estonians really belong to a few races that can, after the segregation of only a few elements, be merged with us without any harm to our people."

Many Estonians fought the Soviets with great ardor and success in German uniform, including 15,000 men in the all-Estonian 20th SS Waffen Grenadier Division, 1,000 in the Luftwaffe (including 140 pilots), and 300 in the Kriegsmarine. It is estimated that 100,000 Estonians were fighting for the Reich in various capacities by autumn 1944.

These statistics are drawn from an excellent book entitled Hitler's Renegades: Foreign Nationals in the Service of the Third Reich, by Christopher Ailsby (Brassey's, 2004), pp. 139-48, passim. Click here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1574888382/qid=1095793611/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-8175662-2293543?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) for more information.

So... it's NO surprise that "Russian and Jewish interest groups" would condemn and suppress this memorial to Estonian heroism. I can't wait to see the "more appropriate monument" they have in mind. :spider

NSFreja
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 09:25 AM
20.09.2004
Another monument to Soviet soldiers in Estonia vandalized

Tallinn. (Interfax) - Another monument to Soviet soldiers fallen in Estonia during World War II has been vandalized in Estonia.

Unidentified individuals made an inscription, "Long Live, Comrade Parts [Estonian Prime Minister Juhan Parts]!," with white paint on the monument put up in the memory of Soviet soldiers killed while crossing the Emajogi river in the village of Maksa in Estonia's Tartu region, the SL Ohtuleht newspaper reported on Monday. The inscription has already been removed. Police are investigating the incident.

A wave of monument vandalism hit Estonia following the government's September 2 resolution to dismantle a monument to Estonian citizens who joined Nazi troops during WWII in the town of Lihula. All vandalized monuments, which were located in Saaremaa Island, the towns of Parnu, Haapsalu, Rekvere and some other places, were dedicated to Soviet soldiers killed in Estonia during WWII or Red Army soldiers executed in 1919.

Investigations are in progress, but no culprits have been found yet.

http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Est&pg=0&id=5756232&req=

jagdmesser
Wednesday, July 10th, 2019, 10:01 AM
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.07/xxs/5d24f72efc7e930a128b45d5.jpg

Estonia’s plans to bring back a monument to a soldier dressed in Waffen SS uniform.



The stela with a bronze bas-relief depicts an armed trooper in Nazi gear, and a tablet reading: “To Estonian men who fought in 1940-1945 against Bolshevism and for the restoration of Estonian independence.” It caused a lot of controversy after being erected at the cemetery in the town of Lihula in August 2004.


The government ordered its removal less than two weeks later, saying that the memorial created unnecessary links between Estonian independence fighters and the German invaders. Nazi sympathizers staged rallies on the spot where the stela once stood. Last year, one such demonstration attracted around 200 people.


https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.03/xxs/5c9ca26afc7e93dc1a8b4664.JPG

However, this June, a local MP for the Conservative People’s Party (EKRE) in the Laaneranna Parish Council suggested that it was high time to restore the SS monument. On Tuesday, his idea was backed by the speaker of the Estonian Parliament in the capital Tallinn. “It’s a very good undertaking because it’s a memorial to Estonian men,” Henn Polluaas, who is also an EKRE member, explained.


The Russian Embassy vigorously condemned the plan, saying that “attempts to glorify the former Waffen SS fighters in Estonia look especially blasphemous in the year when the 75th anniversary of the country’s liberation from the Nazis is celebrated.” “Among tens of thousands of the Red Army soldiers, who died during the battles on the Estonian land, there were a lot of Estonians, who didn’t spare their own lives to banish the Hitler forces,” it stated. Bringing back the monument to those who joined the SS will become “an insult to the memory of all who died fighting the Nazis on Estonian soil.”



‘Insult to all who fought Nazis’: Russia blasts Estonia for plans to restore SS soldier monument (https://www.rt.com/news/463801-estonia-nazi-monument-russia/) 10 Jul 2019.





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