PDA

View Full Version : Sperm/Egg Donation, Sperm Banks and DNA Breeding Programs



Ljót-fulfr
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 02:06 AM
Has anyone thought of 'breeding farms' post-WWII ?

What about a dating service where DNA samples are required for proven racial purity?



I'm sure many of you are used to filtering out propaganda by now -- so below I have posted an article related to the children of these 'breeding farms.'

I would like some comments and discussion on the matter. Thanks

Ljót-fulfr
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 03:37 AM
Hitler's Children

They were the offspring of a Nazi program to create a racially pure 'Master Race.' Behind the painful search to discover their roots.

Newsweek International, March 20, 2000
By Joshua Hammer



From the time she was a small child, Helga Kahrau always sensed that she was different. Born in Nazi Germany at the start of World War II, Kahrau has hazy memories of elegant surroundings, important-looking men in crisp uniforms, a life of privilege and comfort. Helga's mother, she knew, had been a secretary in the offices of both Hitler's top aide, Martin Bormann, and Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels, but other than admitting that fact, Mathilde Kahrau refused to say anything about the war. It was only after Mathilde's death in 1993 that Helga began to examine her family's past,and was horrified by what she discovered.

Her parents barely knew one another. An ardent Nazi, her mother met Helga's father, a German Army officer, in Berlin at a party celebrating Hitler's conquest of France in June 1940. They had a one-night stand, and nine months later Mathilde gave birth in a "Lebensborn",or "Source of Life",home outside Munich. The home was one of several set up by Heinrich Himmler's dreaded SS to care for unmarried pregnant women whose racial characteristics,blond hair, blue eyes, no Jewish ancestry,fit the Nazis' Aryan ideal. At birth, Helga was anointed as one of the Fuhrer's elect, part of a generation of "racially pure" children who would populate the German Empire as it ruled a conquered Europe for the life of the 1,000-year Reich.

Helga's early years unfolded in an atmosphere of palpable evil. When she was 6 months old, her mother returned from Munich to work in Goebbels's ministry in Berlin, and dispatched Helga to the foster care of a high-ranking Nazi secret policeman. She grew up in a Nazi enclave outside the city of Lodz in occupied Poland while her foster father helped to oversee the gassing of thousands of Jews at the nearby Chelmno concentration camp. At the end of the war she returned to Munich, then a bomb-shattered ruin, where she was raised for the first time by her natural mother. Now, as she fits together the pieces of the first years of her life, Helga admits to being tormented by feelings of self-loathing. "I spent the first four years raised and tutored by the Nazi elite," she says. "I was involved, in a fundamental way, with murderers."

Kahrau and thousands of other middle-aged Europeans are struggling with the consequences of one of Nazism's most troubling social experiments: the creation of a "Master Race." During the 12-year history of the Third Reich, roughly 10,000 infants were born in Lebensborn homes in Germany. An equal number were born in homes in Nazi-occupied Norway after the German invasion of 1940, because Himmler admired the Norwegians' "Viking blood," and encouraged procreation between German soldiers and Norwegian women. There were also Lebensborn homes in France, Belgium and Luxembourg. After the war, many of the Lebensborn children grew up scorned as Nazi progeny and tormented by dark uncertainties about their origins. Those who tried to get answers were often stymied by Germans long reluctant to confront their Nazi past. Their natural or foster parents often kept mum about the Lebensborn program; the German media didn't report on Himmler's racial experiments for decades. The destruction of thousands of German Lebensborn files by SS troops during the last days of World War II deepened the mystery of the children's real identities.

But recently some of the 20,000 Lebensborn children have been getting answers. Last December, German TV reporters uncovered 1,000 long-unnoticed Lebensborn files at the German government archive in Berlin, and two Norwegian Lebensborn organizations are now helping many local war children trace their parents. For many Lebensborn children, the revulsion they feel as they learn more about their backgrounds often goes together with a sense of relief at assembling the missing fragments of their lives. "They have reached the end of their careers, their children are grown and they have time to think about who they really are," says Georg Lilienthal, a German scholar who in 1985 wrote the first authoritative book about Himmler's racial-engineering program. "For many it has been nothing but a black hole."

Himmler planned it that way. The Lebensborn homes sprang from a central tenet of Nazi ideology: the idea that no Germanic baby should go unborn. In 1933 the newly installed Nazi dictatorship outlawed all abortions and later executed doctors who violated the law. In August 1936 Himmler opened the first Lebensborn home at Steinhöring outside Munich, offering Aryan women a place where they could deliver their illegitimate babies and keep the births secret from the outside world. Himmler's SS built nine such homes in Germany,refurbished hotels, villas, ski chalets and schools,and 10 in Norway. The identities of the mothers were recorded in tightly guarded Lebensborn files, which the SS kept separate from municipal and church ultimately decided to keep their babies, but hundreds,out of shame or financial necessity,turned the children over for adoption by high-ranking SS officials, or abandoned them.

Himmler considered no method too extreme in the pursuit of his lunatic goal: the propagation of the Germanic master race. The SS also kidnapped Aryan-looking children from Poland and other occupied lands and brought them to the Lebensborn centers across the Third Reich, where they were "Germanized" and turned over to Nazi foster parents. SS administrators expelled Lebensborn babies who were born disabled,and sometimes dispatched them to euthanasia clinics, to be poisoned or starved to death. Wehrmacht commanders exhorted lower-ranking soldiers serving in Norway to father as many children as possible, and many Norwegian women were eager to oblige them. Himmler also offered promotions to SS men,Nazi zealots who served as Hitler's bodyguards, ran concentration camps and massacred "racially inferior" people in occupied lands,on the basis of the number of offspring they produced. The SS chief took a keen interest in the day-to-day running of homes in Norway and Germany, conducting inspection tours and even devising a high-protein diet for the Lebensborn children.

By the spring of 1945, the 1,000-year Reich was in ruins, and with it, Himmler's master-race baby program. The collapse of the Nazi regime would have lasting consequences for thousands of now adrift small children and infants. As the Allies swept across Germany in the spring of 1945, the SS hurriedly shut down one Lebensborn home after another, collecting hundreds of remaining babies and their secret files and taking them to the original home in Steinhöring. In early May, American troops marched into Steinhöring. According to one account, Nazi Storm Troops burned all the records in a huge bonfire before they fled. In another version of the story, U.S. forces stopped the Nazis as they tried to escape to the mountains. During the confrontation, the files were dumped into the Isar River and washed away. Either way, the true identities of many children were lost forever.

The fate of the children would be cruelest in Norway. The SS never destroyed the Lebensborn files there, but after the Third Reich capitulated on May 8, 1945, thousands of Lebensborn babies and their mothers faced the wrath of their liberated countrymen. Many women and their kids were harassed, beaten and called "Nazi swine" by teachers, schoolmates and neighbors. Police sent some 14,000 women and girls who had slept with Wehrmacht soldiers to internment camps. The head of Norway's largest mental hospital stated that women who had mated with German soldiers were "mental defectives" and concluded that 80 percent of their progeny must be retarded.

Paul Hansen bore that label for decades. The progeny of a brief affair between a Luftwaffe pilot and a cleaning woman who abandoned her child at birth, Hansen, 57, spent his first three years in relative comfort in a Lebensborn home north of Oslo. But his life took a terrible turn after the war, he says, because of his German parentage. Hansen was moved to a collection center for unclaimed Lebensborn children. An epileptic, he was passed over for adoption and was thrown together with 20 other Lebensborn children at this center who could not find homes with relatives or adoptive families. Ministry of Social Affairs officials classified these half-German children as retarded and shipped them to mental institutions. Hansen recalls days of being insulted and beaten by guards, and remembers nights spent in feces-splattered dormitories listening to the psychotic screams of fellow inmates. "I told them 'I'm not insane, let me out'," Hansen says. "But nobody listened." Hansen didn't get his freedom until he was 22 years old.

He found a tiny apartment and a job in a factory,and began a search for his parents. The Lebensborn files in Norwegian archives were off-limits, but through the help of the Salvation Army in Norway, he learned that his father had died in Germany in 1952. His mother had married another Wehrmacht soldier and lived in the East German town of Pasewalk. In 1965, Hansen traveled by train and ferry to see her, and remembers the excitement he felt as he approached her flat. But the reunion was a deep disappointment. "I expected she would open up her arms to me, and say 'Oh, my son.' But she didn't care," he remembers. "When I told her that I had spent my life in mental institutions, she replied, 'So what? You weren't the only one'." Hansen left, and never went back.

In recent years, Hansen has found a measure of peace. He was briefly married, but the relationship broke up because, after years in institutions, he found it impossible to share space with another person. What has made life endurable, he says, is the growing willingness of Norwegian Lebensborn children to go public and confide in one another about their experiences. Hansen says he's found "new brothers and sisters" through his membership in a support group; the recent declassification of the Lebensborn files has allowed many to discover their parentage. Last month Hansen joined six other Lebensborn in a lawsuit filed against the government, asking for millions of dollars in damages for decades of brutal treatment. On New Year's Eve, Norway's prime minister seemed to acknowledge his government's responsibility by apologizing publicly for the first time for "the harassment and injustice done" to the war children.

Helga Kahrau has never found such peace. Growing up with her mother Mathilde in Munich, Kahrau often wondered about her origins. "I was big, blond and Aryan,different from the southern Germans,and everyone asked me, 'Where did you come from?' " she says. "I couldn't answer them." Kahrau's mother concealed the truth, saying only that her soldier father had been killed during World War II. Her only birth record was a cryptic certificate from an "SS Mother Home" that contained her mother's name but not her father's. Her mother kept largely silent about her own role during the war. "Nobody talked about the Nazis back then," Helga says.

Then, one night in the mid-1970s, Helga happened to watch a German television documentary about the Lebensborn program and the SS-run home at Steinhöring. Suddenly, she says, "everything clicked." Still, she asked her mother nothing: "I was afraid. I didn't want a confrontation." But when Mathilde Kahrau died in 1993, Helga traveled to Pullach, near Munich, the onetime home of her foster parents and the current site of the postwar German intelligence headquarters. There she uncovered Nazi files that provided detailed information about her foster father and his crimes committed in the service of the "final solution." She spent hours in libraries, digging up the little scholarship that existed about the Lebensborn. The last pieces fell into place on her birthday in March 1994, when she received a phone call from a man who identified himself as her real father.

Kahrau was shocked. "I said, 'Why are you calling me after 53 years?' " In his 80s and stricken with cancer, he explained that his thoughts had returned to the daughter he had fathered during the war. They met the next day. "He was charming," she says. "It was love at first sight." He told Helga about the night of passion with her mother, about his military duty in occupied Paris,and his postwar real-estate career. "He had become a millionaire," Helga says. As her father's health worsened, she nursed him round the clock, expecting to receive some share of his estate. But after her father died in 1996, Kahrau received a letter from attorneys stating that he had left no will. As an illegitimate Lebensborn child, she would inherit nothing. "All I got were debts," she says. In the four years since then, Kahrau has found some solace talking with a psychologist friend about her upbringing. She has visited her birthplace, the old Lebensborn home at Steinhöring, several times. But Kahrau hasn't yet come to terms with her identity. Unlike Norway, no support groups exist in Germany for Lebensborn children, nor has she found a willingness to confront the issue in German society. Kahrau still worries that people will assume she's a Nazi because "I grew up on the side of the murderers," she says. Meeting a NEWSWEEK correspondent at a hotel in downtown Munich, she was visibly nervous, tensing when the word "Lebensborn" was uttered too loudly and insisting on speaking about her life only in the privacy of a secluded booth. "Being a Lebensborn child is still a source of shame," she admits. That shame is the Nazis' bitter legacy to those who they once thought would inherit the earth.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 09:00 AM
The Lebensborn idea was good but it didn't come out well. To add confusion and guilt, they kidnapped Polish children, sometimes from their parents, for this program.

We are concerned with European racial, cultural and spiritual preservation. What if we had a small, isolated, defenseable country, which already had all the necessary genetic material within its borders. What if that country was one of the most culturally conservative in Europe. What if that country already had a genome project to catalogue the entire genetic make-up of that country. We already have such a place, Iceland.

What if Iceland were to become interested in a more modern form of eugenics. In this form of eugenics, seed from only the most highly qualified, intellectually and physically gifted males would be collected and given to women who wanted children but not necessarily a husband or to childless couples. Eggs could be collected and given in the same way to women who wanted them. In a small country like Iceland, this is all possible.

Imagine just 100 Wernher von Brauns, each heading a science department and working on problems which now threatens our planet. It wouldn't be too long until our problems would be over. This is all possible.

Ljót-fulfr
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 09:12 AM
Dr. Solar Wolff,

That sounds so exciting! I landed in Iceland twice at the airport coming and going from Scotland. I regret not having toured the countryside.

What are the immigration laws there?

Siegfried
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 12:04 PM
I dislike the idea of 'breeding farms', but I endorse ethnic/racial dating services.
Check, for example, EuroDateLink (http://www.eurodatelink.net).

Awar
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 12:25 PM
Interesting, there are so many spelling and grammar errors on that EuroDateLink site.
It doesn't look too professional.

I've signed up to see if there are any pictures of Serbs/Montenegrins for classifications.

rusalka
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 08:27 PM
I've signed up to see if there are any pictures of Serbs/Montenegrins for classifications.
Suuuuuuuuuuure. ;) :P

No Code
Sunday, October 17th, 2004, 01:50 AM
i saw a tv program talking about the "hitler's children" and show those people nowday...they were all blonde, fat and ugly

B4HXTA
Wednesday, October 27th, 2004, 11:53 PM
What if Iceland were to become interested in a more modern form of eugenics. In this form of eugenics, seed from only the most highly qualified, intellectually and physically gifted males would be collected and given to women who wanted children but not necessarily a husband or to childless couples. Eggs could be collected and given in the same way to women who wanted them. In a small country like Iceland, this is all possible. I suspect the rejected men would want to leave. Many of us are racialists for selfish reasons. Maybe the non elite men could leave to whiten the rest of the world. With modern technology, men are no longer really necessary. Maybe a 1:10 ratio would be ideal, with the inferior men leaving the country.

The nongenic mothers would be convinced to staty through propaganda.

After the island reached optimal population emigration would increase.

King Yngvar
Saturday, October 30th, 2004, 07:12 AM
What are the immigration laws there?
Appearantly fragile. While in Reykjavik I saw endless amounts of kebab resturants. By the way, there was a gay parade going over there at that time. Stayed indoors at the hotel, making sure not to go out until the next day when the streets had been freed from the lunatics. So Iceland is definately not heading in the right direction!

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, June 24th, 2005, 03:39 AM
I am talking about Iceland doing this within Iceland. They have enough genetic diversity and don't need any "inputs" from the rest of us.

Abby Normal
Friday, June 24th, 2005, 08:52 AM
What about a dating service where DNA samples are required for proven racial purity?

I have encountered more than enough ill-tempered, unintelligent, violent, physically repulsive, and otherwise repellant white people to recognize the futility of participating in such an endeavor.

The rest of you can (and will) do what you please, but I would take a decent person with a dab of "alien" DNA over someone whose most redeeming feature is a certificate proclaiming the "purity" of his DNA.

The concept of human "breeding farms" is too ludicrous to address with any semblance of seriousness -- for tonight, at least.

Oswiu
Saturday, September 16th, 2006, 06:03 AM
This was brought to mind by the recent articles bewailing the lack of donors in the UK.

Years ago at university my friends and I were discussing the ethics of sperm donation. Without thinking very long I expressed a general willingness to donate, considering the unfortunate plight of couples unable to have children for infertility reasons [and the consequences of this in terms of nationalism], and was rather surprised when one lad of our circle expressed a total moral objection. Upon reflection, I could appreciate many of his points, and presently am rather unsure where I personally stand on the matter.

As I see it, there's the ethical consideration of having your child, your own flesh and blood, raised totally apart from you by complete strangers.

And then there's the question of taking money for the service [though I hear that you can of course donate as an unpaid volunteer].

And what if, years down the line, your child contacts you and you have a family of your own. How would the different sets of children, or wife, feel then?

What do you think on the question????

OneEnglishNorman
Saturday, September 16th, 2006, 06:17 AM
There are problems, for example the donor could be short-sighted, had it corrected and the clinic does not know. True for many ailments.

So that would be bad quality. In the market for sperm, surely excellent physical and mental health are desired.

Regarding the morality, it should be 100% anonymous, the state should not get involved by delegating "rights" to the child. The parents should pretend that the child was naturally concieved, if possible.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, September 16th, 2006, 06:36 AM
I can't do this poll since this idea is a good one but there are better donors than myself and the poll is personalized. How could I be against anything which would give us more Caucasians? I would suggest that sperm banks use male and female donors from colleges and universities in Iceland, native Icelanders.

Spirit of Fire
Saturday, September 16th, 2006, 07:04 AM
How could I be against anything which would give us more Caucasians?

I think the same way, but one has to make sure the white people's sperm/eggs are not used by nonwhites for genetic upgrade, which is quite disturbing.


(http://www.nordiccryobank.com/default.asp)

Spjabork
Saturday, September 16th, 2006, 07:12 AM
Years ago at university my friends and I were discussing the ethics of sperm donation. Without thinking very long I expressed a general willingness to donate, considering the unfortunate plight of couples unable to have children for infertility reasons [and the consequences of this in terms of nationalism], and was rather surprised when one lad of our circle expressed a total moral objection. Upon reflection, I could appreciate many of his points, and presently am rather unsure where I personally stand on the matter.
Sperm donation is a perversion. The only strong point it has is it does 100% fit into the Jewish-liberalist framework.

Jews want to anonymize each & everything. They don't want you to know where your food comes from. Years ago, I bought a golden necklace for my girlfriend. The artwork I liked much and so I asked the jeweller where it was made? He couldn't answer. He said, all his stuff came from a "grocerer". Ha, ha, ha.

Later on, before the second Gulf War, there was at a moment a "crisis" when it seemed, war could break out soon and the oil supply could be severely affected. In a German magazine a Jew said: "The oil will flow on!" Why? "Because all oil of this world, no matter where it comes from, is poured into one big pot, and from there it is delivered to the markets". Ha, ha, ha.

Germanic people, especially Germans, do want to know with whom they have to do, who is giving what, and who is asking what in turn.

Jews want do destroy this very feeling, for it is an obstacle in the way toward their final aim.

As for the argument "infertility" etc.: Do you really think some Negro-sperm will enhance Anglo-Saxendom? Why the girl does not - if they have that problem - ask her friend's brother or cousin or colleague or her colleagues etc.?? This would be a clean & safe solution. Do they feel ashamed? Do they feel "guilty"? Why they don't feel ashamed of letting something inside they don't know at all??

RedJack
Saturday, January 20th, 2007, 02:09 AM
That's a very good idea, mate. I'd like to see a private foundation along those lines. They could even have a sperm bank and breeding program.

Ulex
Saturday, January 20th, 2007, 02:17 AM
That's a very good idea, mate. I'd like to see a private foundation along those lines. They could even have a sperm bank and breeding program.
The solution is in your own hand: http://www.scandinaviancryobank.com/

Pro-Alpine
Saturday, January 20th, 2007, 02:21 AM
That's a very good idea, mate. I'd like to see a private foundation along those lines. They could even have a sperm bank and breeding program.

Start convincing the Swedes :thumbup

Slå ring om Norge
Saturday, January 20th, 2007, 02:25 AM
That's a very good idea, mate. I'd like to see a private foundation along those lines. They could even have a sperm bank and breeding program.

Sounds reasonable...

It would be a waste if the superiorist boys did not go together to create a such pool.

I really thought they had for some time already?... :|

Bridie
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 05:43 AM
Honesty is overrated. :P I'm rather manipulative myself.

:lol You're a cheeky bugger. :wsg



That's a very good idea, mate. I'd like to see a private foundation along those lines. They could even have a sperm bank and breeding program.Doesn't sound very romantic. :voteno

Jäger
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 11:15 AM
Doesn't sound very romantic. :voteno
One would just have to see if there is an actual demand for it, it seems like a practical solution nevertheless, people would be more "free" in their partner selection, or most likely in their selection of no partner at all.
Then again I wouldn't want to encourage it too much either, but if their is much demand I am not sure if the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.

Aistulf
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 01:29 PM
That's a very good idea, mate. I'd like to see a private foundation along those lines. They could even have a sperm bank and breeding program.
Say, wasn't that one of the great things that ‘Britannia’ heroically "liberated" us from when they - and their allies - attacked evil racist/supremacist "Nazi-"Germany?

Bridie
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 02:08 PM
One would just have to see if there is an actual demand for it, it seems like a practical solution nevertheless, people would be more "free" in their partner selection, or most likely in their selection of no partner at all.
Then again I wouldn't want to encourage it too much either, but if their is much demand I am not sure if the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.

OMG... so you guys were serious?? :-O Sperm bank and breeding program?? Very, very bad idea in my opinion. Children have the right to know both of their parents intimately and to feel special... not like a number created in a production line. Strong and healthy family units must be the foundation of our communities... and "breeding programs" which may make use of "sperm banks" would totally undermine strong, secure, tightly knit, harmonious families.

To disregard the importance of emotional, mental, social and spiritual considerations and consequences would be a big mistake.

Jäger
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 02:38 PM
Children have the right to know both of their parents intimately and to feel special... not like a number created in a production line.
So you think every child born thorugh artificial insemination is not "special"? Even if this is clearly an act of the willingness of the parents to concieve a child in contrast to the millions of unwanted, but naturally concieved, children?


Strong and healthy family units must be the foundation of our communities... and "breeding programs" which may make use of "sperm banks" would totally undermine strong, secure, tightly knit, harmonious families.
Good that you put breeding programs in quotation marks, since it is not even clear, nor was it really discussed, how they would look like, and you jump already to some conclusions based on your own idea of it.


To disregard the importance of emotional, mental, social and spiritual considerations and consequences would be a big mistake.
I specifically said that "I am not sure if the disadvantages outweigh the advantages." Thus I do recognize some disadvantages, yet every coin has two sides and it could be that the advantages are simply stronger for that point.

If people get taught what their race is and what it means, yet can't help themselves than to fall in love with an not really racially pleasing individual, they should have the option to think about artificial insemination.
The question is how realistic such idea acutally is, I almost doubt it would be used very much, but like Lebensborn made a home for "unwanted" or "accidental" children, such a thing can be a small part of a bigger project.

Bridie
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 03:05 PM
So you think every child born thorugh artificial insemination is not "special"? I think it would be understandable that they wouldn't feel special. To know that their biological father couldn't give a rat's ass about them (or indeed even knows them) couldn't be a good feeling. Kids deserve to be loved by their fathers, and to have an intimate relationship with them. We're talking about ideals here remember... what would be acceptable for instated policy or not.




Even if this is clearly an act of the willingness of the parents to concieve a child in contrast to the millions of unwanted, but naturally concieved, children?
Again, we're theorising about ideals.... so to compare one bad situation with another bad situation is misleading and quite irrelevant actually.




Good that you put breeding programs in quotation marks, since it is not even clear, nor was it really discussed, how they would look like, and you jump already to some conclusions based on your own idea of it.
The word "breeding" when applied to humans is actually a fairly emotive term... it implies dehumanisation more to the point, and is quite insulting.

You're right though, specifics weren't discussed... so anyone want to put forth any ideas on what sort of "breeding programs" we'd be talking about here?




I specifically said that "I am not sure if the disadvantages outweigh the advantages." Thus I do recognize some disadvantages, yet every coin has two sides and it could be that the advantages are simply stronger for that point.
By undermining traditional family structures and values I don't think that the so-called advantages could ever outweigh the social, emotional and mental consequences.



If people get taught what their race is and what it means, yet can't help themselves than to fall in love with an not really racially pleasing individual, they should have the option to think about artificial insemination.I disagree. Love is not so rare to come by. If it is a bad match, then they need to put the good of their people ahead of their own selfish desires and not marry undesirable person. Marriage should be considered to affect the couple's family and community, not just themselves... and therefore of concern to all. Rampant individualism in modern times is the only reason that most people hold the opinion that we should all be able to marry whomever we choose, regardless of any negative consequences. Things were not always this way...

Siegfried
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 03:15 PM
OMG... so you guys were serious?? :-O Sperm bank and breeding program?? Very, very bad idea in my opinion. Children have the right to know both of their parents intimately and to feel special... not like a number created in a production line. Strong and healthy family units must be the foundation of our communities... and "breeding programs" which may make use of "sperm banks" would totally undermine strong, secure, tightly knit, harmonious families. To disregard the importance of emotional, mental, social and spiritual considerations and consequences would be a big mistake.

I agree with you on the importance of strong, harmonious families, but do not think such an orientation precludes sperm banks. A couple that is medically unable to procreate could be greatly helped by a germ depository, and if the depositories were to have strict medical requirements for their donors, such banks could certainly be one of the cornerstones of a non-coercive "breeding program" (though I object to that term; we're not cattle, call it population policy or something).

Bridie
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 03:24 PM
I agree with you on the importance of strong, harmonious families, but do not think such an orientation precludes sperm banks. A couple that is medically unable to procreate could be greatly helped by a germ depository, and if the depositories were to have strict medical requirements for their donors, such banks could certainly be one of the cornerstones of a non-totalitarian "breeding program" (though I object to that term; call it population policy or something).

So what are we talking here then? :chinrub Nordid woman marries either, a racially incompatible man, or a sterile one, so she hops off to the local sperm bank? I think she'd be better off divorcing him (or not marrying him in the first place, in the case of the racially incompatible man) and marrying someone who'd be suitable to create a family with.

I agree though that "population policy" sounds much better. ;) :)

Siegfried
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 03:33 PM
So what are we talking here then? :chinrub

As far as I'm concerned, a fairly non-coercive population policy aimed at improving the biological base of mankind.


Nordid woman marries either, a racially incompatible man, or a sterile one, so she hops off to the local sperm bank? I think she'd be better off divorcing him (or not marrying him in the first place, in the case of the racially incompatible man) and marrying someone who'd be suitable to create a family with.

Racial incompatibility in a marriage will most likely result in mongrelised offspring, rather than the woman hopping to a sperm bank. A germ depository is by and large only relevant in the case of an infertile spouse (or the case of single parenthood, or a homosexual relationship; whether germ depositories should provide in such cases is worth a discussion of itself), a condition often only discovered after marriage. The couple is then most likely in love, and in many cases not willing to break up over infertility. A germ depository is a solution in such a case, and if there were sound donor regulations it would have a decidedly eugenic quality as well. I don't have a real objection to such programs; though I acknowledge it is better for child and parents to conceive in a more traditional way, the alternative (namely, no children at all) could be even worse. I think the gobal demographics are bad enough as they are without closing down the option of germ depositories for our people.


I agree though that "population policy" sounds much better. ;) :)

:)

Enlil
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 03:42 PM
I saw a documentary recently about a sperm bank in the US, "Repository for Germinal Choice", where they saught out nobel price winners & other men with high intelligence & achievement, and asked them to donate sperm. It was quite interesting, but of course it was accused of racism because for some odd reason the smart men happened to be white. As far as I understand, it was only used by women whose own men were unfertile, and by some single women, not by ordinary couples to produce more intelligent children or something like that.

There's some info at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Klark_Graham), follow the links or google.

Siegfried
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 05:55 PM
Robert K. Graham was co-founder and director of the "Repository for Germinal Choice". I posted an interview with him here (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=40771).

Jäger
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:50 PM
I think it would be understandable that they wouldn't feel special. [...] We're talking about ideals here remember... what would be acceptable for instated policy or not.
Actually, you are talking about ideals here, I am trying to put it in the context of reality :)
A theory is only as good as it is steady for the real thing.


Again, we're theorising about ideals.... so to compare one bad situation with another bad situation is misleading and quite irrelevant actually.
But the point that it clearly shows the willingness of the parents to get children is not irrelevant.


The word "breeding" when applied to humans is actually a fairly emotive term... it implies dehumanisation more to the point, and is quite insulting.
I wasn't aware of that, yet I can remember a similar discussion here on Skadi about the verb "to breed", maybe Oswiu knows something here? :D


You're right though, specifics weren't discussed... so anyone want to put forth any ideas on what sort of "breeding programs" we'd be talking about here?
In my opinion simply the mere possibility to resort to such a thing, since it is better than to get a rather not so racial pleasant member of society.
It should be part of a greater project, like homes for unwanted children etc.
This is all against traditional family structures, but the advantage of actually getting children, quality children, is more important in our current, or near-future, situation!
The focus on father and mother is actually not that important, people got raised by different people all through history. And the mere biological fact of how humans work restricts the abuse, as long as it is voluntarily.


By undermining traditional family structures and values I don't think that the so-called advantages could ever outweigh the social, emotional and mental consequences.
The "so-called" advantage would be the halt of the degeneration that befell e.g. my people, not entirely, maybe not even that effectively, but remeber I am talking about reality here not ideals. It has to be a part of a greater policy, incl. education etc.


I disagree. Love is not so rare to come by. If it is a bad match, then they need to put the good of their people ahead of their own selfish desires and not marry undesirable person. Marriage should be considered to affect the couple's family and community, not just themselves... and therefore of concern to all.
I totally agree! I don't think we are not that far away actually, yet the whole thread "Are you a Nordicist" is a counter-proof to your assertions. It is the difference between ideal and reality :)

ÆinvargR
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 01:00 PM
I recently read an article in a regular news paper about a guy who sort of had a habit of donating sperm. He has 10+ biological children in this country who according to law can ask the authorities for his name and seek him up when they are 18 years old. He mentioned he has high IQ and good genes that he willingly spreads.

I suppose there's a risk of his children who are half-siblings to fall in love, unaware of their kinship.

What do you think of this?

Fortis_in_Arduis
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 01:26 PM
No, no, no, no.

Totally undignified.

Children need their biological parents for reference. It is totally wrong to deliberately engineer a less-than-perfect situation such as this.

Patrioten
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 01:49 PM
To donate sperm is to support the birth of children under the condition of them not being raised by their own fathers, and to elevate the selfish needs of adults to hold supremacy over the basic needs of children. To me, such an undertaking can only be considered immoral and unacceptable. The desire of adults to have children has nothing on the right of the child to both his biological parents.

How are we supposed to accomplish ethnic preservation when children are being cut off from their own heritage and roots by way of modern science, which is counter to the traditions and values of our people? This is nothing short of marxist family-secularism where the value and purpose of family is reduced to the mere production of units of labor, detached and estranged from all things traditional and thus also human. Families are the cornerstones of community, society and nation. The backbone of civilization, the building blocks of human existence, whatever you prefer to call it. The value of the traditional family cannot be overestimated.

Allenson
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 02:08 PM
You folks make great points and I am in agreement for the most part.

However, hypothetically speaking, I would donate sperm if certain parameters and criteria were in place: Not married or attached with little to no chance of having my own children with my own spouse/partner and that the receiveing woman/family be of similar stock to myself. I feel like I do have a good enough genetic composition to pass along and if there is no chance of doing this myself and in my own situation, I suppose I could share the wealth a little bit.

There are so many people out there with poor genetic constitutions that just continue to breed & breed some more. If this is my only chance to pass along my inheritance, then I would at least consider it.

There's no way that I would donate sperm if it were to go to a recipient of different racial stock to myself though.

Tough question--and, I'm sort of just thinking aloud here. I've never acually mulled this issue over so take my words with a grain of salt. ;)

Maelstrom
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 02:08 PM
To donate sperm is to support the birth of children under the condition of them not being raised by their own fathers, and to elevate the selfish needs of adults to hold supremacy over the basic needs of children. To me, such an undertaking can only be considered immoral and unacceptable. The desire of adults to have children has nothing on the right of the child to both his biological parents.

How are we supposed to accomplish ethnic preservation when children are being cut off from their own heritage and roots by way of modern science, which is counter to the traditions and values of our people? This is nothing short of marxist family-secularism where the value and purpose of family is reduced to the mere production of units of labor, detached and estranged from all things traditional and thus also human. Families are the cornerstones of community, society and nation. The backbone of civilization, the building blocks of human existence, whatever you prefer to call it. The value of the traditional family cannot be overestimated.

I would have to disagree with you, at least in part.

It is one thing to father a child, something completely different to be a child's father. My father was raised by a man who was not his biological father. To me, taking on the responsibility of raising a child that is not your own and making sure you raise him/her as your own is an amasing feat.

Coming back to the part about donating sperm: I would have no problem with it, provided I was able to donate to an ethnically European couple who were for some reason unable to reproduce and who I would entrust with the task of raising a child. What I cannot stand are homosexual couples or single mothers trying to pro-create.


Fathers are made.

Hrodnand
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 04:30 PM
Donating sperm is really disgusting me. How could anyone sell a part of him without knowing who will receive the donation? and even if you know the person it's something unnatural and it's quite sure that the offspring will suffer some sort of physical or spiritual mutation.
Nature designed men and women to reproduce with each other in a natural way, not to jerk off in a flask and then wonder who will pick it up to give birth to the child which belongs to you. :rolleyes:


...an ethnically European couple who were for some reason unable to reproduce and who I would entrust with the task of raising a child...

If one can not reproduce it's their own problem I don't give much about it nor would I follow such an unnatural way to help them reproduce.

Hanna
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 06:29 PM
If I'm a guy, I won't do it in a million years.

Patrioten
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 08:19 PM
It is one thing to father a child, something completely different to be a child's father.It is unfortunate that these two roles have become separated in our modern society, since the two are meant to be inseparable.


My father was raised by a man who was not his biological father. To me, taking on the responsibility of raising a child that is not your own and making sure you raise him/her as your own is an amasing feat.To help raise children whose parents have abandoned them in one way or the other is a noble deed indeed, if speaking of inter-ethnic adoptions and not international ones which are damaging to the ethnic group which harbors them to a degree that outweighs the innate kindness of the adoption as an occurence. Adoption, or some other means of taking care of children whose parents have abandoned them, is quite a different thing from sperm donation. Here's why. Adoptions are about damage control, the child is already born and with its biological parents out of the picture, it is in need of a substitute. Now, this substitute needs to be of a certain quality and composition of course, and resemble what would be the natural living conditions of a child, namely being brought up in a two parent home, with one female substitute mum and one male substitute dad present. This I think is an appropriate demand and criteria.

Now, we get to the matter of sperm donations. Sperm donations and the children that are the product of this procedure are not about damage control, these kids would not exist were it not for the deliberate act of the sperm donor, the parents, and the doctors. It is an act of choice, a choice made by individuals who will not have to suffer the consequences of their decision, a choice which means that the child which is to be concieved, will be born under the pre-existing conditions of it not being raised by its biological father. This is immoral. This is unacceptable. This is social engineering of the worst possible kind.

BeornWulfWer
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 08:34 PM
I personally think it is wrong and disgusting. To sell your ancestry to the highest bidder is the behaviour of the morally twisted society we now live in.

On a lighter note: It isn't nice to be known as the offspring of a W****r ;)

Crimson Guard
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Maybe under extreme emergency conditions. But on the norm, the only person I would donate my sperm to is to the woman I love. :)

Psychonaut
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 11:09 PM
I would no more donate my sperm than I would arbitrarily impregnate dozens of random women. It's completely contrary to my views on racial preservation, familial structure, and sexual ethics.

CrystalRose
Monday, July 28th, 2008, 11:34 PM
Even if I were able, I wouldn't donate sperm. I agree with all or most of the posts.

The Horned God
Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 12:23 AM
I would donate sperm on the basis that it was used only by infertile Irish couples. I don't see much wrong with doing that. :shrug

Æmeric
Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 12:44 AM
I'm probably to old to donate but.... I think it would be a bad idea. I wouldn't want to help a pair of lesbians become mothers, especially to a child that might be genetically prone to disapprove of their lifestyle.;)

There are men out there who are of inferior genetic stock but they tend to breed with women of inferior stock - what would be the point of helping those women become pregnant. And in any case I think most male infertility problems are enviroment. Losing weight, giving up smoking & change in diet, such as avoiding soy products (recently mentioned in another thread) can increase sperm count & quality. Drug abuse can also affect sperm production.

Fortis_in_Arduis
Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 11:36 AM
I would donate sperm on the basis that it was used only by infertile Irish couples. I don't see much wrong with doing that. :shrug

Please, take it from someone who is adopted and has had to appreciate the differential:

Children need their bioloigical parents for reference, even if they are unless, feckless (but adorable) rat-bags like mine are.

Oswiu
Monday, November 24th, 2008, 04:05 AM
I chose "No", but I suppose I might if my brother needed it, having been proven infertile himself (touch wood!). It'd be rather odd to be my 'nephew's' biological father, though. I mused over doing it for a friend, but I'd probably be far too uncomfortable to have a child from me brought up by others.

No way could I have a son or daughter reared by absolute strangers. I'd feel guilty at abandoning them sort of thing, or worry that they were being mistreated or led astray without my input. There'd be somebody out there who'd probably look a bit like me, but not know me. Odd.

What's the going rate these days, anyway? Fifteen quid last time I heard... ;)

QuietWind
Monday, November 24th, 2008, 04:32 AM
What's the going rate these days, anyway? Fifteen quid last time I heard... ;)

Well.... at this California clinic you can get $100 for each ejaculate that meets their minimum sperm count, and $500 when you complete the it exit blood tests...... if you refer someone who completes their program for 6 months then you get a $750 finder's fee.

http://thespermbankofca.org/pages/page.php?pageid=11&cat=11

(Us women can get about $5000 (http://www.donate-eggs.com/) for our eggs. :D)

Anfang
Monday, November 24th, 2008, 04:38 AM
I would not do it. I would not want the enemy to get a "me".:D

Hermelin
Monday, November 24th, 2008, 09:51 AM
No I wouldn't (not that I can ;)). You have absolutely no control whom it goes to. That alone is a good reason enough not to.

Nordic Angel
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 01:13 PM
I'm not a man, so I didn't vote, but if I was a male I wouldn't donate sperm UNLESS I could have an influence on where it is used.

I wouldn't want to help non-Germanic people or lesbian couples to have kids. If I knew that my DNA would go only to heterosexual, Germanic couples, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but unfortunately you can never know that, so I would not do it if I was a man.

Loki
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 02:37 PM
I would no more donate my sperm than I would arbitrarily impregnate dozens of random women.

It would give your genes an evolutionary advantage though, and would possibly see it survive way longer (if the sperm should impregnate various women) than otherwise. As for quality control, you don't have any control over that beyond your generation anyway. So perhaps more is better in evolutionary thinking.

Fact of the matter is, couples who are infertile and use this service are usually from the upper echelons of society. At the very least middle class.

Agrippa
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 02:37 PM
The better traits a male has, the more he should do for spreading his valuable genes. And if there are couples in which the male can't produce children on his own, I would suggest to take the sperm of relatives or if thats not possible, of males which have very similar but probably higher level traits. It the only rational decision and there is no better alternative.

What matters most is the survival of good bloodlines on the long run and if there are caring parents, the better it is, nothing speaks against it. Of course, one could ask whether the child should have the right to know of his real biological father and to get into contact with him, which I would grant, but even that is not primary in the face of the more basic problem, namely an infertile male and the possibility of having valuable children from a good male of same/similar background and appearance.

As I said, it would be more logical to take the sperm of one of the male's relatives if possible, since that way there would be at least a fair share of common genes, but if not, an anonymous donation of a similar type of man on the same or higher biological level would be the 2nd choice. The only real victim is the male who will have, though raising children, no children of his own - but if being infertile there is no other choice and if having very bad genetic traits, a donation would be better as well.

So the only problem I have with sperm donations is a potentially bad quality of the male genes, if thats largely prevented, there is nothing which speaks against it. What woman takes the donation is of secondary importance, since she would get other children otherwise, so she gets some which have at least 50 percent of valuable European genes, which is always a good thing, no matter what. Everything else is a question for more general politic actions, since a spread of positive genetic traits is always a progress for mankind.

Psychonaut
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 10:36 PM
It would give your genes an evolutionary advantage though, and would possibly see it survive way longer (if the sperm should impregnate various women) than otherwise. As for quality control, you don't have any control over that beyond your generation anyway. So perhaps more is better in evolutionary thinking.

Fact of the matter is, couples who are infertile and use this service are usually from the upper echelons of society. At the very least middle class.

With sperm donations, the first question that one must ask is this: who is taking these donations? Women whose husbands are infertile, lesbians, and single women who are unable to attract a mate. I would not wish to give my seed to any of those women. I think that children are and should remain the consequence of marriage between two people. Placing eugenic ideas above family values would, in my opinion, be a bad thing for society as a whole. Anything that encourages non-traditional families and social atomization should be discouraged, and sperm donation most certainly caters to non-traditional "families."

Oski
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 10:50 PM
It would give your genes an evolutionary advantage though, and would possibly see it survive way longer (if the sperm should impregnate various women) than otherwise. As for quality control, you don't have any control over that beyond your generation anyway. So perhaps more is better in evolutionary thinking.

Fact of the matter is, couples who are infertile and use this service are usually from the upper echelons of society. At the very least middle class.

I think healthy germanic men should spread their genes as much as possible (in a healthy way without risk of stds). With low birth rates among whites in europe and north america I believe its a survival issue and besides we have millions of sperm to spare and it doesn't mean we can't have a normal family life.

Psychonaut
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 10:55 PM
I think healthy germanic men should spread their genes as much as possible (in a healthy way without risk of stds). With low birth rates among whites in europe and north america I believe its a survival issue and besides we have millions of sperm to spare and it doesn't mean we can't have a normal family life.

You might have a normal family life with your wife and the children you two had, but what of your donated children? How is this much different from giving away one of your children for adoption? Also, the chances of your sperm donation going to a non-Germanic would be pretty high, would it not? That's a risk you couldn't pay me to take.

Oski
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:04 PM
You might have a normal family life with your wife and the children you two had, but what of your donated children? How is this much different from giving away one of your children for adoption? Also, the chances of your sperm donation going to a non-Germanic would be pretty high, would it not? That's a risk you couldn't pay me to take.

Is it better to waste it on a shirt or towel (excuse how lewd this all sounds)?

Do you think non-germanics/non-whites care if they are "watering down" our race? Why should we care if we are thinning out theirs?

Psychonaut
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Is it better to waste it on a shirt or towel (excuse how lewd this all sounds)?

Do you think non-germanics/non-whites care if they are "watering down" our race? Why should we care if we are thinning out theirs?

It may not be productive to discard your seed, but I still think that's preferable to indiscriminate reproduction. I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't go and mate with a negress the old fashion way, right? The only difference with a sperm donation would be that the half-breed child would've been implanted by mechanical rather than organic means. Either way it's miscegenation.

Æmeric
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Is it better to waste it on a shirt or towel (excuse how lewd this all sounds)?

Do you think non-germanics/non-whites care if they are "watering down" our race? Why should we care if we are thinning out theirs?
According to your logic any intercourse that doesn't result in pregnancy (where pregnancy is purposely avoided) is wasted body fluids.

Oski
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:22 PM
It may not be productive to discard your seed, but I still think that's preferable to indiscriminate reproduction. I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't go and mate with a negress the old fashion way, right? The only difference with a sperm donation would be that the half-breed child would've been implanted by mechanical rather than organic means. Either way it's miscegenation.

Well perhaps in a dream world were eugenics laws were in place we wouldn't have to worry about such things but with every one of the sperm used to create a mullato etc I'm sure there are germanic women that would raise a child up just fine. Do you think only non-germanics should go and donate?

Oski
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:26 PM
According to your logic any intercourse that doesn't result in pregnancy (where pregnancy is purposely avoided) is wasted body fluids.

Are you suggesting men should freeze and preserve every ejaculation? I don't think its a "waste" I just don't think its a horrible sin to go donate.

Æmeric
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:30 PM
No, I don't think it should be frozen. But I don't think it is being wasted if it is not used for procreation. :shrug

Psychonaut
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Well perhaps in a dream world were eugenics laws were in place we wouldn't have to worry about such things but with every one of the sperm used to create a mullato etc I'm sure there are germanic women that would raise a child up just fine. Do you think only non-germanics should go and donate?

OK, well I guess in Skaditopia, we wouldn't have to worry about miscegenation through sperm donation. :D So, scratch that part of my argument if it doesn't jibe with what you were thinking of.

I'm not really concerned with what other races do with their sperm, for me this is mostly an issue of family. Even if I were guaranteed that my sperm would go to another Acadian woman, I would not donate. To me, doing so would be no different than sleeping with a random Acadian woman and forgetting about the consequences of that intercourse, my child. I think that children are an area where we should be much more concerned with quality rather than quantity. Trying to beat Negroes, Arabs, and Hispanics at the numbers game is a battle that we cannot, and I don't think should , be fighting.

Oski
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:47 PM
I think that children are an area where we should be much more concerned with quality rather than quantity. Trying to beat Negroes, Arabs, and Hispanics at the numbers game is a battle that we cannot, and I don't think should , be fighting.

I understand you and in one sense I think sharing our genes with other races is somehow helping improve them (which I don't like the idea of). Quality and quantity of whites could be easily dealt with if schools and every day life were segregated away from other races. What good are quality whites if they are the minority with less rights?

Psychonaut
Sunday, November 30th, 2008, 11:56 PM
I understand you and in one sense I think sharing our genes with other races is somehow helping improve them (which I don't like the idea of). Quality and quantity of whites could be easily dealt with if schools and every day life were segregated away from other races. What good are quality whites if they are the minority with less rights?

Oh believe me, I don't want for our people to be minorities. I am a minority in Hawaii right now and it sucks. However, I just don't think that outbreeding them is the answer.

forkbeard
Monday, December 1st, 2008, 12:11 AM
I've done this already even though I have lots of kids. You do get a veto on who can use it. So lesbiens and miscegenators are out. Looking at the garbage quality of most people I encounter anyone that was half me would have a character like incredible hulk and burst out of any silly environmental constraints.

forkbeard
Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008, 10:01 PM
I want my sons to donate sperm to spread my superior genes. I also think its ethically OK for my daughters to go to a clinic eventually for insemination if they so choose (Which may be necessary considering the shortage of good men about.)
What is good for Germanics is the ultimate good and what is bad for Germanics is evil. We need more babies and we need Eugenics for health and the restoration of our type.The blood loss of our best in wars necessitates the gap in quality is made up. Nordic type DNA is imported to Britain from Denmark which is fine by me as it re-enforces the Nordic element.

Diane
Wednesday, May 25th, 2011, 09:41 PM
I'll cut straight to the chase. I'm a 28 year old female living in Surrey, England. My partner and I have been together for 6 years and we're both desperate for a child. We are both professionals, financially stable, and fairly successful for our age. My partner is infertile so we joined many sperm bank websites looking for "very Nordic" donors. Sadly, after paying many joining fees and extra to see photos, we can't find the type of donor we are looking for.

My partner is Irish/German with very chiseled facial features, when you google search 'aryan' and the 1930s posters appear, his face is almost identical. I am of German/French stock with hazel eyes. My story has an interesting twist, my Grandmother who is still alive today was one of the first Lebensborn program babies, something she doesn't like discussing, but very interesting (to me) all the same.

Without wanting to sound too forward, are there any sperm donors on here who have that Aryan look about them that might be interested in donating? or maybe you know someone who already belongs to a sperm bank that you could put us in touch with? My partner is 6'2, blonde hair, blue eyes, very chiseled facial features, slim. We just want to find a donor that looks like him so that we can pass the child off as our own but it seems we're asking for the impossible.

I was in the London sperm bank earlier, and was shocked that even their own staff imply that there's nothing wrong with using mixed race donors and that it actually produces "stronger, more immune off spring". Erm, no thank you.

I hope this post doesn't sound completely bonkers, and hope I haven't offended anyone. Thank you, Diane.

Northern Paladin
Friday, May 27th, 2011, 05:18 AM
A few years ago I heard that some sperm banks only take sperm from tall, blond-haired men. I guess it changed big time, didn't it. I wish I could be more of a help.


I was in the London sperm bank earlier, and was shocked that even their own staff imply that there's nothing wrong with using mixed race donors and that it actually produces "stronger, more immune off spring". Erm, no thank you

Typical multicultural BS. Are the majority of their donors mixed?

Ocko
Friday, May 27th, 2011, 05:59 AM
I don't want to spoil the fun for skadiites but you can check out those guys

cyros (http://dk.cryosinternational.com/private-customers/donor-search.aspx)

they have mostly danish/skandinavian donors.

Ingvaeonic
Thursday, November 24th, 2011, 03:21 AM
I have been thinking this about for some years. I'm seriously considering donating sperm for the purpose of enabling racially acceptable childless couples to conceive a child or children. This of course is where the male party of the couple is sterile, for whatever reason. But I don't want my sperm going to any Arab, Jewish, Asiatic, or negroid recipients: obviously I don't want my sperm to be used as a means to conceive a child or children among our racial and cultural enemies. What is the view of others on this? And what practical measures can be taken to ensure such sperm donations go to the right parties (apart from the obvious measures)? Any ideas anyone?

For myself, I consider that any means of bolstering our numbers is acceptable and must be used if practically feasible.

Ilva
Saturday, January 21st, 2012, 01:37 PM
I think it is a brilliant idea. Unfortunately I have no clue as to how you could ensure that your DNA was not later mixed with something other than Germanic. Presumably anyone who looks white could ask for donor sperm from any white donor and who would know if the prospective mother had a "dark" ancestry or even had some progenitors originating in the Sinai desert.

Slivers
Saturday, March 10th, 2012, 06:18 AM
It would have to be based on some type of ethnic eugenics- matching accepted appearance types at the very least. I don't know if it's legal in America to do such a thing. But someone could start a clinic or donation center geared only towards peoples of Northern European decent. They would probably get the hell sued out of them at the start, but if someone had the money to do so they could definitely start such an organization.
Any other thoughts on this? Or the legality.

Adalheid
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 04:13 AM
I have been thinking for a while that there should be some way to connect people who are seeking good genes to pass on but don't have the partner required to do so.

For example, if a Germanic woman wishes to have kids, but can't find a man with which to have them in, she may choose a [poorly matched sperm donor or unfortunately choose to adopt a child of another race. If only there was a sperm bank completely devoted to Germanic people where we can promote the growth of our population in ways that may have otherwise been overlooked.

This is merely a thought that I've been having, because I do know women who wish to have children who can't find a suitable partner and vice verse. While raising children in a single parent household is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination, we do have to go outside of our current scope to find ways to help our people conceive, adopt their ethnicity. We need to open our boarders to other Germanic countries in terms of adoption and encourage each other to adopt, so that good White folks aren't tempted to go to another race.

I'd like to hear other member's thoughts on this...if any men on Skadi were ever considering donating sperm, please consider it further, there are too many non-Whites donating that women need a choice of their own kind.

I am surprised that there is yet any type of fertility program (that I know of ) in any Germanic country.

Svartljos
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 04:56 AM
I'm pretty sure at least some clinics already give the woman the option of choosing ethnicity. It's not always done "randomly." If you're looking for good genes, I don't think the internet is the place you should be searching. Most of the people who are heavy internet users tend to suffer from mental problems like Asperger's or other forms of social anxiety and medical conditions.

Huginn ok Muninn
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 06:38 AM
I'm pretty sure at least some clinics already give the woman the option of choosing ethnicity. It's not always done "randomly." If you're looking for good genes, I don't think the internet is the place you should be searching. Most of the people who are heavy internet users tend to suffer from mental problems like Asperger's or other forms of social anxiety and medical conditions.

Speak for yourself, buddy. I've noticed a lot of guys here who should spread their genes around. Skadi is exactly the place to look for good men, because most of us here have resisted the call to mental slavery that generally infects the population, most are young, and many are very good specimens of Germanic manhood.

Possibly a social network which would match Germanic men and Germanic women would help. Potential single mothers could see pictures of their children's prospective fathers, and know something about their intelligence and other qualities before choosing to be a mother to their children.

hyidi
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 07:04 AM
Many years ago, a professor had a Germanic clinic in America specially for matching blonde hair and blue eyes genetics to produce such offspring. I can't really remember the details and what had happen to it but I think it was closed down because something to do with (yes you guess it) racsium! He was an NS and a supporter of Hitler. I wished I knew more, anyone else know any more information on this? I wished it were still in practice, it's a benifacal for Germanic European race.

Adalheid
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 03:38 PM
There definitely needs to be more in terms of connecting Germanic folks around the world. While I love the blond hair and blue eyes of a good portion of Germanics--my own husband and daughter bear these traits--I don't think that it should specifically be a standard. I am half German, half English, and I have green eyes and dark blonde or light brown hair, depending on the time of year. But I would hope that other folks wouldn't be restricted based on such traits, it would be silly.

I personally, am not in need of sperm donation (I'm a married woman, for heaven's sake! Anyone inclined to convince my husband that having more children wouldn't ruin us would get a :thumbup from me though... :) )

I understand that facilities have exsisted before...I'm proposing something a little less extreme though. Something along the lines of a database of Germanic sperm donors with profiles, Germanic adoptions, Germanic egg donors or surrogates.

I think that there are a lot of men in north/western Europe who would love to father children, but there are so many 'career oriented' women now, that it's almost impossible to find a proper mate, or marriage. This way people could form co-parent partnerships and still have children, born into a adult relationship where co-operative parenting is established, or single parenthood is understood.

Frankly, I am surprised that there isn't more being done on a government level to encourage child birth in this manner.

There at least needs to be a financial incentive for couples to have children, so that the financial burdens of parenthood is somewhat relieved in this day and age. It would cost the governments a lot less than it would to pile in immigrants and try to 'integrate' them.

Catterick
Thursday, August 18th, 2016, 09:37 PM
This sounds like a good idea but in the sexual marketplace its easy for men to find sex. Which makes it easy for women to become impregnated. So if women want IVF its for lifestyle choices delaying motherhood. By the time women choose to get pregnant by IVF there is increased risk of age-related complication. If not, she might be old when her kids are adolescents.

Like surrogacy its not immoral in itself but in practice its a whole can of worms.

Shadow
Thursday, August 18th, 2016, 11:49 PM
Sperm banks at one time would use sperm from medical students. They were judged to be above average intelligence if they made it into medical school and more than satisfactory in other characters since there is an in-person interview required for these schools.

Now, I would recommend a woman who wants something better than gutter-sperm to contact a sperm donation service in, say Sweden, which uses sperm from engineering students. They say 30% of Swedish males are engineers. Engineers certainly would have the intellectual qualities and if a sperm bank was used, the woman could choose the phenotype she liked. Also, the man would not be afraid since in most places, if a doctor does the procedure, there is no financial responsibility attached to the man.

Having said all this, a normal family setting is a much better place to raise a child than is usually possible for only one parent. In a normal family setting you not only have two parents, you have grandparents and other relatives.

Everyone wants their own children but adoption is not as terrible an option as people might think. Once you accept someone as a family member all concerns about biology or parent-ology can melt away.

mvbeleg
Friday, August 19th, 2016, 12:16 AM
I have been thinking for a while that there should be some way to connect people who are seeking good genes to pass on but don't have the partner required to do so.

For example, if a Germanic woman wishes to have kids, but can't find a man with which to have them in, she may choose a [poorly matched sperm donor or unfortunately choose to adopt a child of another race. If only there was a sperm bank completely devoted to Germanic people where we can promote the growth of our population in ways that may have otherwise been overlooked.

This is merely a thought that I've been having, because I do know women who wish to have children who can't find a suitable partner and vice verse. While raising children in a single parent household is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination, we do have to go outside of our current scope to find ways to help our people conceive, adopt their ethnicity. We need to open our boarders to other Germanic countries in terms of adoption and encourage each other to adopt, so that good White folks aren't tempted to go to another race.

I'd like to hear other member's thoughts on this...if any men on Skadi were ever considering donating sperm, please consider it further, there are too many non-Whites donating that women need a choice of their own kind.

I am surprised that there is yet any type of fertility program (that I know of ) in any Germanic country.

I promote increased reproduction in European populations, specially in populations native to the so called Germanic countries. Though I have some resistance in supporting such a sperm donation program as it appears largely based on wanting women looking for an alternative method of creating a family whilst bypassing the nuclear family. It is evident to me that the nuclear family is typically a superior family unit in comparison to the single-mother family.




If you're looking for good genes, I don't think the internet is the place you should be searching. Most of the people who are heavy internet users tend to suffer from mental problems like Asperger's or other forms of social anxiety and medical conditions.]

Claiming `heavy internet users tend to suffer from mental problems like Asperger's or ... social anxiety and medical conditions' would be a gross misrepresentation. Five years ago, I would have probably agreed that heavy internet users tend to be introverts. With how much internet usage has grown in the past decade (especially with social media, one would likely be harder-pressed to show positive statistical correlation between internet usage and social introversion.


Possibly a social network which would match Germanic men and Germanic women would help. Potential single mothers could see pictures of their children's prospective fathers, and know something about their intelligence and other qualities before choosing to be a mother to their children.

Like the idea of a social network and dating/match-making network.

Catterick
Friday, August 19th, 2016, 10:13 AM
Everyone wants their own children but adoption is not as terrible an option as people might think. Once you accept someone as a family member all concerns about biology or parent-ology can melt away.

I agree. People are looking at mad science and surrogacy else adopting African babies for status. But how many native babies need adopting? Restrict or ban the NRTs.

Catterick
Friday, August 19th, 2016, 10:15 AM
Frankly, I am surprised that there isn't more being done on a government level to encourage child birth in this manner.

There at least needs to be a financial incentive for couples to have children, so that the financial burdens of parenthood is somewhat relieved in this day and age. It would cost the governments a lot less than it would to pile in immigrants and try to 'integrate' them.

We know from Singapore that incentives don't work. (But they don't hurt either.)

Shadow
Friday, August 19th, 2016, 06:57 PM
I agree. People are looking at mad science and surrogacy else adopting African babies for status. But how many native babies need adopting? Restrict or ban the NRTs.

Here the problem is waiting for a white baby, there is a waiting list, always.