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Euclides
Friday, December 5th, 2003, 04:21 PM
Brazil started attracting European migrants for two reasons: the gradual abolition of slavery during a period of agricultural expansion, and a racial desire of 'whitening' the country's population, an unspoken thesis which became quite outspoken in the early 20th century.

Its prime exponent was Oliveira Vianna who, in a series of books, professed the view that the Blacks are an inferior race and dragged Brazil downwards—only Aryanization could help the country.

There's a self-congratulatory sign before Itajaí: "500 years em paz—Parabéns, Brazil". (500 years in peace—Congratulations, Brazil). Have these people never been to school? There have been hundreds of conflicts in this country.

The Italians, who made up about 50% of new arrivals, any Spanish who made the move and of course the steady wave of mainland Portuguese were acculturated easily. Not so the Germans, who formed the fourth largest immigrant group, for the language was very different, their customs Northern European and their demeanor more exclusive.

They started building their own schools in their own towns and only learned sufficient Portuguese to communicate outside their sheltered existence which under other circumstances might have been called a ghetto. This isolationism combined with the doctrine of Pan-Germanism in Europe, which fuelled Prussian expansion in the end of the 19th century and continued in Hitler's time, created mistrust between the German immigrants and the Portuguese establishment.

www.brazzil.com/blaapr02.htm

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The first group of German immigrants arrived in Brazil shortly after the country became independent, as part of a settlement programme devised by the Brazilian Government to develop agriculture and ensure settlement in the southern tip of the country.

The concentration of German immigrants in the southern region coupled with the fact that they maintained their language and cultural traditions, besides establishing a Germanized press, schooling system and a clutch of associations, paved the way for the emergence of a Teuto-Brazilian ethnic identity. The immigrants and their offspring thus generated a sense of belonging, first and foremost, to an ethnic group characterized by its German origin.

This attitude led to a long series of conflicts with the rest of Brazilian society culminating in the nationalization campaign sponsored by Getúlio Vargas' Estado Novo régime (1937-1945) to speed up the process of assimilation. The ideals underpinning the German community's sense of ethnic identity, though toned down somewhat, did not entirely fade after World War II. Indeed, it is still perceptible in the areas predominantly settled by Germans in Brazil.

http://www.mre.gov.br/cdbrasil/itamaraty/web/ingles/consnac/imigra/alemaes/index.htm


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In case of an "extra continental" (italics sic) war, Brazil could only defend itself with a preventative policy. Internally, it would have to control the immigrant population, spreading it throughout the country to avoid concentrations of those with the same origins, neutralizing direct assistance from foreign governments, forbidding foreign colonization companies, insisting on obligatory teaching and use of Portuguese, and imposing an "intense nationalization" (italics sic) of those born in Brazil to cut their ties to the countries of origin

http://www.tau.ac.il/eial/VI_2/mccann.htm

http://an.uol.com.br/2001/jul/15/0ger.htm

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In Brazil, blond-haired Caucasians are called "Alemao" (which means "German") and blacks are called Bahiano. But not all blond-haired Caucasians are German. Anglo-Saxons, Jews, and Russians are also blond, but Brazilians don't care about this at all. And it appears that Israeli- and Russian-Brazilians don't mind being called "Alemao"

http://www.gse2660.com/gse96/2660eb/Hasegaw.htm

Euclides
Sunday, December 7th, 2003, 07:05 PM
German immigration to Brazil

German immigration to Brazil started in 1824 -- just after Brazil won independence from Portugal -- as a result of Brazilian Emperor Dom Pedro I's (1798-1834) need to populate uninhabited regions of the huge country. Such regions were being disputed with neighbouring countries such as Argentina and Paraguay. Uruguay was just becoming independent. Those countries were by then former Spanish colonies, as all of South America was becoming independent, and all of them were interested in receiving European knowledge, expertise and labor.

Some Brazilian states received higher inflows of Germans than others. Such was the case in Rio Grande do Sul, where the first "wave" of immigrants was settled in the 1820s. In 1827, a group of Germans migrated to Brazil from the region of Trier. This was the first official German migration to Brazil. Part of this group (mainly Catholic married men) came to the farm called "Fazenda Guarei," which is today a small town in the state of São Paulo called Guarei. These Germans are considered the founders of Guarei.

A second "wave" went to Santa Catarina in the 1850s, but also to Rio de Janeiro, in smaller number, mainly to a city called Petropolis, where the Emperor Dom Pedro II's summer house (nowadays the Imperial Museum) was located. Other German immigration waves occurred in the 1890s, as well as after the First and Second World War. The latter emigres were not necessarily only refugees, but also people who were tired of the war. They had different destinations: to the states of Sao Paulo, to Paraná, and to the other Brazilian states.


http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/WELT/brasil.html

Euclides
Sunday, December 7th, 2003, 07:12 PM
''One of the strange things that happened in Brazil was miscegenation. While in North America one can observe immigrant nucleus living in a kind of isolation, in Brazil its very common to trace your heritage having to appeal to Germans, Italians, French, Portuguese, and so on.

Probably one of the reasons for the fast integration of the German and Italian colonies were the Second World War. Brazil fought with the allies, and so German and Italian languages were prohibited in schools.

Nevertheless, even now, there are small cities where Italian and German are spoken in the streets and cafés. The uncle of one of us learned to speak Portuguese only at twelve, keeping his Dusseldorf accent.''

http://cyberg.curtin.edu.au/members/papers/32.shtml

Necronomicom
Monday, December 8th, 2003, 07:55 AM
The Brazilian Dictator Getúlio Dornelles Vargas was from the Southern state of Rio Grande do Sul, like most white Brazilians Getulio didn't identified himself with any European group, he was a Brazilian Nationalist and he wanted to promote nationalism in Brazil because he didn't want Brazil to be divided between different groups.

Although there are many rumors that say Getulio secretly admired Mussolini, Italy and Germany were still enemy nations after Brazil declared war on them, and also promoting Brazilian nationalism between the imigrants of those countries (and any other European country) was the best way to ensure they would fit in with the other white Brazilians.

However Getulio didn't promote any race-mixing with non-white groups, like most Brazilians of that time he was white, and he didn't want to mix with non-whites, the Penal Code of 1940 doesn't say anything about racism or prejudice, making it legal, and in one of his most famous speechs in 1939 he says:

"We have a destiny to accomplish, we have a large territory, we have the same racial origin, we speak the same language, we have the same history, the same religion, the same social formation, the same feelings of nation unity. We must populate, work, educate, construct, build wealth, develop our culture, and fortify the National conscience."

Blacks, mestiços, Japs, and Amerindians, obviously don't have the same racial origin, history, and social formation of white Brazilians, Getulio clearly gave this speech to the white Brazilians, who were the majority during that time.

Getulio Vargas the the greatest leader Brazil ever had, Brazil had its best years when he was a dictator, he is the guy in my new avatar.

The Brazilian government only started to promote multiracial integrity later on in the 1950's to now.

Euclides
Monday, December 8th, 2003, 05:41 PM
Brazilian ''whites'' ( Germans, Portugueses, Italians...) don´t have the same racial origin too.

Brazilian nationalists under Vargas forged and propagated an all-inclusive national identity which promoted the idea of a racially harmonious Brazilian national family that include racial mixing. Vargas' generation succeeded in encouraging Brazilians to identify with `the nation' above other possible communities such as racial, ethnic or regional ones. In the process, nationalists marginalized white europeans cultures.

Necronomicom
Monday, December 8th, 2003, 06:14 PM
Brazilian ''whites'' ( Germans, Portugueses, Italians...) don´t have the same racial origin too.

Like most politicians Vargas didn't differ the different sub-races that are part of the "white" race, if Germans wanted special treatment they should have stayed in Germany.


Brazilian nationalists under Vargas forged and propagated an all-inclusive national identity which promoted the idea of a racially harmonious Brazilian national family that include racial mixing. Vargas' generation succeeded in encouraging Brazilians to identify with `the nation' above other possible communities such as racial, ethnic or regional ones. In the process, nationalists marginalized white europeans cultures

He didn't promote race mixing, he didn't care that much about other races, Brazil was a white country during that time.
and here we speak Portuguese, its our only official language, people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here, people were always allowed to speak whatever language they wanted to, but all schools must use Portuguese as the first language, and he didn't ruin European culture either, European culture is still very strong in Brazil, many small cities still use Italian and German as their second language.

Euclides
Tuesday, December 9th, 2003, 05:15 PM
Like most politicians Vargas didn't differ the different sub-races that are part of the "white" race, if Germans wanted special treatment they should have stayed in Germany.

''Vargas' leadership received Afro-Brazilians support because of the perception that the new era would loosen the control of the rural oligarchs and produce new opportunities for Afro-Brazilian political participation. But his leadership had a particular and long-lasting effect on the political culture and ideology of race in Brazil. The idea of the Brazilian "racial democracy" became the official doctrine of the Vargas regime and its successors''

''Vargas hoped that Brazilian cultural nationalism would unify the diverse political and economic interests among the various factions in Brazilian society. He became a major proponent of the race-relations school of thought promoted by intellectuals like Gilberto Freyre and others. Freyre and his colleagues argued that Brazilians formed a "new race" in the tropics, a "new people" of mixed origins.

Brazilian nationalism of the 1920s attempted to put a positive spin the degree of racial miscegenation in the population. Gilberto Freyre's theory of Lusotropicalism and Lusophonic exceptionalism maintained the idea that Portuguese culture and "racial tolerance" were responsible for the development of a Brazilian racial paradise''

''Despite the officially endorsed doctrine of the racial democracy, Afro-Brazilians continued their efforts to develop a political presence and force in the early years of the 1930s. The Frente Negra (Negro Front) was organized in September 1930 in São Paulo. ''


http://www.brazil-brasil.com/blajan99.htm

The pictures I posted represents Brazilian ''racial democracy '' and ''brazilian paradise''

Euclides
Tuesday, December 9th, 2003, 05:25 PM
Like most politicians Vargas didn't differ the different sub-races that are part of the "white" race, if Germans wanted special treatment they should have stayed in Germany.

He didn't promote race mixing, he didn't care that much about other races, Brazil was a white country during that time. and here we speak Portuguese, its our only official language, people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here, people were always allowed to speak whatever language they wanted to, but all schools must use Portuguese as the first language, and he didn't ruin European culture either, European culture is still very strong in Brazil, many small cities still use Italian and German as their second language.

''people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here''...so we conclude that Italians and Germans, if they want to preserve their own culture and language are not welcome in Brazil.

When you destroy the original´s people language, you destroy their own culture, opening a way to racial mixing, like occurs in Brazil.

Necronomicom
Tuesday, December 9th, 2003, 09:06 PM
He became a major proponent of the race-relations school of thought promoted by intellectuals like Gilberto Freyre and others

Gilberto Freyre was against the Government, meaning he didn't get along with Vargas very well, and if the Government was so much into multiracial integrity why Gilberto Freyre got arrested for writing against racism???

1942
(Gilberto Freyre) É preso no Recife, por ter denunciado, em artigo publicado no Rio de Janeiro, atividades nazistas e racistas no Brasil, inclusive as de um padre alemão a quem foi confiada, pelo governo do Estado de Pernambuco, a formação de jovens escoteiros.

1945
Toma parte ativa, ao lado dos estudantes do Recife, na campanha pela candidatura do Brigadeiro Eduardo Gomes à presidência da República. Fala em comícios, escreve artigos, anima os estudante na luta contra a Ditadura.

http://www.fundaj.gov.br/docs/freyre/gf41.html

also if Getulio wanted to promote multiracial integrity why would he close the AIB (Ação Integralista Brasileira) that promoted multiracial integridy? and also close down all left-wing parties?



''Despite the officially endorsed doctrine of the racial democracy, Afro-Brazilians continued their efforts to develop a political presence and force in the early years of the 1930s. The Frente Negra (Negro Front) was organized in September 1930 in São Paulo. ''

Both white people and black people from Sao paulo during that time hated Vargas, Sao Paulo even had a black battalion to fight against Varga's federal troops.



the pictures I posted represents Brazilian ''racial democracy '' and ''brazilian paradise''

The Brazilians in the pictures you posted were not even born during Varga's dictatorship, except for Pelé who was like 3 years old during that time...


''people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here''...so we conclude that Italians and Germans, if they want to preserve their own culture and language are not welcome in Brazil.

Cultural and language preservation is one thing, making no efforts to learn our language is another

you should also realise that during that time Italy and Germany were enemy nations, its never a good thing to have nacionalists from enemy nations in your own nation. Life for the Russian and Polish people who lived in National Socialist Germany was no fun either.


When you destroy the original´s people language, you destroy their own culture, opening a way to racial mixing,
like occurs in Brazil.

not true, many second and third generation German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Russian-Americans, French-American, etc, don't go around mixing with other races just because they don't speak their ancestor's language.

also in South Brazil, where most germans went, and also many italians, whites were always the majority, there was few non-whites living there during varga's regime, and even today South Brazil has a white majority, despise the fact that most Italian and German Brazilians don't speak Italian and German.

Euclides
Saturday, January 3rd, 2004, 06:57 AM
Quote:''also if Getulio wanted to promote multiracial integrity why would he close the AIB (Ação Integralista Brasileira) that promoted multiracial integridy? and also close down all left-wing parties?''

A = Getulio promoted multirracial integrity promoving the destruction of european cultures. And yes, he was against AIB ... dictators don't tolerate political competition.





Quote :The Brazilians in the pictures you posted were not even born during Varga's dictatorship, except for Pelé who was like 3 years old during that time...

A = The pictures shows the actual situation In Brazil, consequence of centuries of brazilian politics against european Racial/Cultural preservation that Include Varga's time.
In den dreißiger Jahren erfolgte die sogenannte Nationalisierung durch die Zentralregierung in allen von Deutschen kolonisierten Regionen, die die Nationale Identität und Souveränität erreichen sollte. Sie bewirkte jedoch im Gegenteil große Risse in der örtlichen Kultur und hinterlies tiefe Veränderungen im Vereinsleben.


Quote: ''people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here''...so we conclude that Italians and Germans, if they want to preserve their own culture and language are not welcome in Brazil.
Cultural and language preservation is one thing, making no efforts to learn our language is another

A = Die Regierung von Getulio Vargas, besorgt wegen dem Einfluß der Nazis in den deutsch besiedelten Regionen im Süden des Landes, verbot jede geringste Äußerung der deutschen Kultur. Die deutsche Sprache wurde in den Schulen, Kirchen und in der Öffentlichkeit verboten, und die Schul-, Kultur- und Schützenvereine, die zum Teil seit 1890 bestanden, wurden geschlossen. Die Intoleranz war so groß, daß Männer und Frauen, die keinerlei politische oder gar kriminelle Aktivität ausübten, verhaftet wurden, nur weil sie Deutsch sprachen oder Bibeln in deutscher Sprache besaßen. Ja, es mußten sogar Ortschaften umbenannt werden, um den deutschen Ursprung zu verschleiern



Quote: ''When you destroy the original´s people language, you destroy their own culture, opening a way to racial mixing,
like occurs in Brazil. ''
not true, many second and third generation German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Russian-Americans, French-American, etc, don't go around mixing with other races just because they don't speak their ancestor's language.

A= I think you are not atualized about USA's racial situation...

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Martim Moniz
Sunday, January 4th, 2004, 11:32 AM
I really don´t believe Getúlio Vargas or indeed the bulk of the AIB supporters who opposed Vargas (which included many pro-fascist Italian and German immigrants) were engaged in any sort of activities aimed at "destroying European cultures".

Both the Vargas "Estado Novo" regime and the Integralistas (Salgado, Barroso, Reale, etc.) were ardent BRAZILIAN nationalists, and yes, a great many Germanic and Italic Brazilians were patriotic and loved their adopted nation, which welcomed them with open arms after economic circumstances forced them to abandon theirs.

What Vargas opposed was the action of agents of foreign governments in Brazil, be they American, British, Italian, German or whatever. Agents of the German government were engaged in activities which were harmful to the interests of Brazilian state as they discouraged German-Brazilians from integrating into Brazilian society. Whether one likes or dislikes his policies, it is undeniable that in this respect Vargas simply did what was patriotic, and nothing else should be expected from an authentic Brazilian nationalist. The Germans do indeed have every right to remain purely German and live in a purely Germanic state, but it is much more logical that this should be done in GERMANY and not in Brazil. German-Brazilians are absolutely free to apply for German citizenship and emigrate to Germany if they so please.

Agrippa
Monday, January 5th, 2004, 11:29 PM
What is Brazilian or any American identity without the European heritage?
Nothing but a colony without roots and higher culture!

I understand what you mean, but German Brazilians are better for Brazilia than rootless upmixed barbarians like there are to many in the Amazonas region f.e.

The European culture in Brazilia no matter if German, Italian or Portuguese should be preserved to the best of Europeans all over the world and to the best of Brazilia!
Only the European potential of Brazilia can give this country the power to develop itself finally.

Euclides
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 02:30 PM
There was an unprecedented influx of immigrants in the 1880s both in America and Brazil. Germans were welcome. They were intelligent, educated, and wealthy. Their most appealing qualities were their industry, thrift, and honesty. The German male was strongly attached to his family, orderly, disciplined, and stable. The German wife was a model of cleanliness and efficiency. National identity was stressed. Conformity to the dominant culture in language, manners, and religious beliefs was mandatory .The term, Americanization, came into frequent usage. In Brazil, German immigrants were regarded as desirable, not only because they would bring valuable skills with them, but also because they would "whiten” the population, which in 1890 was only 44 percent white.

When world war engulfed Europe in 1914 both the United States and Brazil declared their neutrality. However, in 1917 both countries declared war on Germany because their ocean-going vessels had been torpedoed by German submarines. The war introduced a period of persecution in both countries. In the United States citizens of German origin were oppressed: their music was banned, German streets and towns were renamed, language instruction was restricted, books were burned, and German newspapers were regulated. Germans were even beaten, arrested, and forced to kiss the American flag in public. In Brazil the prosperous Germans evoked even more antagonism. Property was damaged by mobs and seized by the president, German church services were outlawed, and all instruction in the German language was prohibited in the schools. As a consequence many German Brazilians became receptive to the Nazi siren song in the '30s.

http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/info/book_reviews/gnewworldreview1.html

Nordgau
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Not bad. Could be a temporary solution for Germany's Lebensraum problems, as long as Triglav watches like a hawk that he doesn't wake up one morning suddenly as Volksgenosse of the Gau Lower Styria. :D

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=7139

Euclides
Sunday, February 8th, 2004, 11:35 PM
Europeans in Brazil are in Ethnolysis process.



Three Stages of Racially-Induced Ethnolysis ( by Dienekes )


I have coined ethnolysis as a blanket term for the dissolution of an ethnic group. One way that ethnolysis can occur is through racial intermixture, i.e., the genetic dissolution of a people by means of a racially foreign element (*)

Examples of racially-incuced ethnolysis is the creation of the Latin American nations, whereby the Native American people were ethnolyzed via the European colonists, the destruction of the pre-Aryan cultures in parts of India, or the pre-Celtic cultures in the British Isles. In these cases, the racially foreign element achieved its goal by the possession of greater strength. There are also cases where the dominant group was ethnolyzed by the subordinate one, as in e.g., the Lombard element in parts of Italy, the Bulgar element in Bulgaria, or the Spanish element in parts of America. The last example also illustrates that sometimes two ethnic groups (Spaniards/Americans) ethnolyze each other.

I suspect that there are three stages in racially induced ethnolysis. In Stage I, the balance of power/numbers is in favor of one of the two groups, which shrugs off the presence of the other as an inconvenience. Europe is probably in this stage with respect to its racially foreign population, similar to the Roman past where the early penetration of the racially foreign northern element was not checked initially, with the result being the downfall of the Western Empire.

In Stage II, maximum tension between the groups is reached, often resulting in violent conflict. An example of this is White-Black relations in the United States in the 19th and 20th century, or the struggle between Russians and Tatars. It is possible at this stage for the group undergoing ethnolysis to strike back and preserve its identity. Examples of this include the Christians of the Balkan peninsula who survived the Ottoman occupation.

In many other cases though ethnolysis is not halted at Stage II, but rather proceeds to Stage III which is also the terminal condition. We need to look no further than the history books for examples of countless peoples who no longer exist in a cultural-genetic sense, having been ethnolyzed at some point in the past by racial intermixture.

(*) I use "racially foreign" in the sense of genetically distant, rather than the stricter sense of belonging to a different human subspecies.

http://www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/2004_01.html

Víðálfr
Friday, October 5th, 2018, 08:58 PM
Poor Germans who ended up in Brazil!

I don't know too much about the German communities there, it's still an enigma for me, but to me Portuguese language sounds horrible and it is known that India and Brazil are the most dangerous countries for women, with a huge rate of rapes there! :(


“I'm not surprised by the results as they're based on perceptions. India and Brazil have seen a lot of media attention on sexual violence in recent years,” said Rebecca Reichmann Tavares, head of UN Women in India who also worked in Brazil.“Sexual violence in both these cities is, of course, a reality, but there isn't any definitive data to suggest that rates are higher in Delhi and Sao Paulo than any other city.”
Delhi, a city of more than 26 million, came in joint worst place with Sao Paulo in Brazil, out of 19 megacities.
Tokyo was ranked the best city in terms of the least risk of sexual violence faced by women, although campaigners say the issue is simply hidden and not talked about.
Cairo in Egypt was rated the most dangerous city for women overall, while London was rated the best megacity for women.
Source (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/new-dehli-sao-paolo-women-sexual-violence-worst-place-world-india-capital-brazil-a8002541.html)

Anyone who has more knowledge about Germans in South America? Any Germans from South America around here? I'm curious, how do you feel in those countries as a Germanic? I would be interested to hear some personal views from the Germanics living there, not just articles from the web.