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visigodo
Wednesday, August 9th, 2006, 08:57 AM
The Mediterranid/Osteuropid type.

They are short to medium stature, the pigmentation always disharmonic, the cephalic index variable, but in most cases dolychocephalic or mesocephalic, less leptoprosope and less lepthorrine if we compare with the Nordid/Mediterranid type:

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=61305

Their descriptive characters present a curious mixture of Mediterranid and Osteuropid characters (Ph. 15a, 15b and 16a, 16b):


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http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2584/medost2vv6.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medost2vv6.jpg)

The variability of the cephalic index, the size that usually doesn't pass the average, the pigmentation disharmonic, denotes the miscegenation of two races, all two of small to medium size, but with different pigmentation and cephalic index.

The cœxistence of some characteristic particularities of the Mediterranean and Osteuropid, indicate the origin of the Mediterranid/Osteuropid type.

It is however interesting to note that when the individuals are mixed from more or less pure lines normally the mixed type come closer to the Mediterranean race that to the Osteuropid. Would it be here a dominance of the Mediterranean characters on the Osteuropid ones? It is difficult to say whatever it is thereon, before having more precise documents on the heredity of the characters inhaled. However that may be, in this blend, a bigger variability comparing with the Nordid/Mediterranid type.

This blended type corresponds to the formulas of the M-O type of v. Eicstedt.

From Olga C. Necrasov. Bucarest, 1941.

Pro-Alpine
Wednesday, August 9th, 2006, 09:07 AM
Aren't South-Eastern Europeans(espically Romanians and Bulgarians) between Mediterranid and Osteuropid?

Agrippa
Wednesday, August 9th, 2006, 06:48 PM
Aren't South-Eastern Europeans(espically Romanians and Bulgarians) between Mediterranid and Osteuropid?

They have such mixtures and both components, but also Dinarid, Alpinoid, Cromagnoid and Nordid. Especially Romania has in some parts very strong Dinarid forms and Osteuropid is not that strong.

visigodo
Thursday, August 10th, 2006, 10:12 AM
Aren't South-Eastern Europeans(espically Romanians and Bulgarians) between Mediterranid and Osteuropid?

To answer you question I think would be interesting to know what Necrasov wrote about the racial composition of the Romanian people. According to Necrasov the main racial type among Romanians belongs to the Dinarid type where the pigmentation, the most frequently disharmonic, distinguish the type, in the first place, the classic Dinarid. This Dinarid core finds its best expression in the mountainous regions of the country.
It is necessary to underline well that the Romanian "Dinaroids" are quite variable, often keeping more or less typically the skull shape of the classic Dinarid type (but also the Alpine) but frequently presenting in the facial region the characters of transition verse other types: toward the Mediterranid, toward the Alpinid, the Osteuropid and toward the Nordid type. To these variations, it is necessary to add again some rare representatives of the pure classic Dinarid type, as well as, the even rarer representatives (but identified well in some regions of the oriental Carpathes of a type blond Dinarid type).
All this "Dinaroids" variants that contributes to the constitution of the Romanian Dinaroid complex is present in all the territory while seeming to offer bigger concentrations in some regions. The Dinaroides can show characters of transition toward the Mediterranoides is more often identified in OltÚnie, Valachie, in some zones of Transylvania as well as in the regions of the hills and the plains of Moldavia. Those that offer characters of passage toward the Nordid seem to be more frequent in the oriental Carpathes and in Transylvania.
But the "Dinaroid complex" doesn't exhaust the variability of the human types in Romania. Together with Dinaroides, we find there, more or less often, some Alpinoids and Mediterranoids (belonging to the variant Pontid the most often - to the face less narrow and less high than the classic Mediterranid and presenting by addition the tendency in a stronger rounded shape of the skull, that there is often mesocephalic or sub-brachycephalic. These Mediterranoides can be found more often in OltÚnie and in Valachie, in South Moldavia and in the central regions of Transylvania. They is necessary to add the Nordoids and Osteuropids aswell, however they are very rare in pure form, as well as some representatives of Cromagnoids (either blond, either dark pigmented) identified by Necrasov to the Country of the Motis and to the Country of Vrancea. Finally, to close this list, let's note the presence of some Turanoids, Armenoids and Orientalids shapes, again nearly exceptional.


According to Coon “ The Bulgarians are a composite people, with the following racial elements easily discernible: (a) a medium to tall-statured Atlanto-Mediterranean; (b) a partially blond Neo-Danubian, of typical snub-nosed form; (c) a Nordic; (d) a Dinaric, with the usual Alpine corollary; (e) a brachycephalic central Asiatic Turkish or Tatar form. The basic element is the Atlanto-Mediterranean, which probably goes back to the Neolithic; the Neo-Danubian is probably of both Slavic and Ugrian introduction, although some of it may be older; the Nordic may be of several origins, including Thracian; the Dinaric is simply the result of Bulgarian admixture with local elements in Macedonia; the Turkic is found mostly in eastern Bulgaria, and then among townsmen and shepherds rather than among agriculturalists. Of these varied elements, the first two are the most important, and the first more than the second. The presence of a strongly entrenched Atlanto-Mediterranean population of Neolithic date in all of the lowland Balkans south and east of the Iron Gate is becoming increasingly evident. In Bulgaria it is geographically most concentrated along the southern ethnic periphery, and among Bulgarian colonies abroad, as in the Crimea”.




According to Droncilov the Bulgars there is four fundamental types, often mixed among them and with elements well specified not of origin Uralo-Altaic and Mongolian origin. In his investigations he mainly keeps in mind stature, cranial form and pigmentation, and it distinguishes two dolychocephalics and two brachychephalics types: the two first have elevated stature, but they can be differentiate for the pigmentation; the dark pigmented must to represent a European variant (Pontid) of the Mediterranean race; the one with light pigmentation, rarely pure, must be reported to the Nordid race. The brachycephalics that he considerer to belongs to "Sarmatid type", in which the Bulgar anthropologist finds similarities with the Dinarids from Yugoslavia. Especially as it regards the brachycephals in which the Dinarid element would be the most numerous, and that fits with the analysis of the somatic characters of the Bulgars. In number enough important it is found the Alpine type, while very scarcer type it would be the Osteuropid element (4,8%). However among the Alpinids types perhaps we can include the "Carpatid" of Biasutti, a pigmented variety of the Osteuropid/East-Baltid race.
Still discussed it is the origin of the pigmented dolychocephalics type of Bulgaria. Droncilov believes that he was be able to identify them with the ancient population of Russia, or rather with the Rjsan type, derived from the epoch of the Kurgans, but Loritz, at least for the dark dolychocephalics types of southern Bulgaria, think about a southern origin instead (Mediterranean in broader sense).

Euclides
Friday, December 29th, 2006, 06:10 AM
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The first man has the ''semi mongoloid uralic/'slavic-look' ''