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OneEnglishNorman
Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 11:43 AM
I know about Godwin in Normandy from post-conquest settlers. And the French Marshall MacDonald.

But what about other influences? For example in the Hanseatic cities, or British soldiers serving as mercenaries in Germany and Northern Europe.

It would be interesting to hear of any examples and if these British names were ever slightly altered?

Galaico
Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 03:42 PM
In Spain there are quite a few surnames of Irish origin, from the Irish refugees that ran away after the British occupation:
Obregón, Morán, Galvin, Doldan, Obrayan, etc. These are "Spanishised".

There are also some other Irish/Welsh/English/Scot surnames from recent migration in the XIX and XX century, such as O'Donnell, Smith, Terry, Osborne, Byas, etc.

Mercator
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 01:18 AM
In Spain there are quite a few surnames of Irish origin, from the Irish refugees that ran away after the British occupation:
Obregón, Morán, Galvin, Doldan, Obrayan, etc. These are "Spanishised".

There are also some other Irish/Welsh/English/Scot surnames from recent migration in the XIX and XX century, such as O'Donnell, Smith, Terry, Osborne, Byas, etc.

Castro is a Celtic surname too. O'Donnell is very common here.

Info about Irish genealogy in Argentina:

http://www.irishgenealogy.com.ar/

luke
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 10:43 AM
Good topic guys. Yes the phenomenon of Irish names throughout Europe is part of what is known in history as the 'flight of the wild geese'. It started in Ulster at Lough Foyle when, in 1607 Hugh O'Neil (Aodh O Neil) and Red Hugh O'Donnell (Ruadha Aodh O Donmaill) and hundreds of the Gaelic aristocracy left Ireland for Hapsburg Spain because they were under increasing pressure from English and Scottish Protestant adventurers and 'planters' (ie. settlers) on their traditional territories in the north of Ireland (Ulster). After this initial wave of aristocratic immigration, another wave of Irish went abroad after defeat by Cromwell in 1651-2 (many of them soldiers) and finally, there was a mass exodus of over 30,000 of them after the final defeat of the Irish Jacobites after the Battle of Athlone in 1691 and the capitulation of Limerick city during that year. This final wave saw lots of Irish go to France - many of which were prominent in French history down until present times. While I have not heard of Field Marshal McDonald suggested in the above post, there certainly was Field Marshal McMahon - and from whom McMahon Avenue in Paris was named after. His family was an ancient family from Co Clare in the west of Ireland and he was related to that family's famous chieftain who was slain by English forces at the battle of Kinsale in 1601 (during High O'Neil's 9 year long war against English aggression).
Over time some of the Irish changed their Gaelic surname. For example, the McEneiry family of Co Limerick served in the French armies during the 18th century and several of them eventually changed their names to Mannery. Dillion is also an Irish family who went to France, as was the famous Hennessy family who later established the cognac company. Edward MacLysaght's book "Irish Surnames" can give further details on the Irish 'wilg geese families".
I do know, however, that the Taffes family went to Austria, with the famous Field Marshal of the Austro-Hungarian empire a Taffe, while the Rourke family went to Russia and served under Catherine the Great. These are but a few examples....

PS; some of the direct descendents of the ancient Irish clan chieftains (toiseach) are still resident in Spain - as the 'O'Neil', and I think the 'O'Donnell', still live there and their titles are recognised by those countries (as a courtesy title).

Galaico
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 03:56 PM
PS; some of the direct descendents of the ancient Irish clan chieftains (toiseach) are still resident in Spain - as the 'O'Neil', and I think the 'O'Donnell', still live there and their titles are recognised by those countries (as a courtesy title).
Sure, there was a very famous general and politician in the XIX century called Leopoldo O'Donnell, Duke of Tetuán, Count of Lucena, and Viscount of Aliaga, son of José Enrique O'Donnell, Count of La Bisbal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopoldo_O%27Donnell

Mercator
Tuesday, August 8th, 2006, 02:46 AM
Pacho O'Donnell, Argentinean writer and politician.

Cnooc
Tuesday, August 8th, 2006, 05:18 AM
The Irish diaspora on the European continent, known as the Flight of the Wild Geese, was mostly Irishmen, expelled by British authorities, served in several European armies, most notably: France, Spain, Austria, and Russia. Many Jacobites supporting the Catholic King James in the failed Jacobite rising settled in France and Spain as well.

The Irish Brigade was a famous military unit formed by Jacobite exiles in France and served in every major French battle between 1690 and 1789.

During the Spanish Civil War, many Europeans served in the Republican army as volunteers. Ireland is notable for having volunteers for both sides. Many Irish catholic joined Franco's forces as they saw Catholicism as being under attack by the godless republicans, whereas many Dubliners joined the Republican cause. Read Jame Joyce's novel "Portrait of an Artist" to get a good understanding of the searing divisions within Irish society at that time. Nevertheless, Irish units did face eachother in battle during the Spanish Civil War. (Similarly during WWII, Spanish volunteers fought for both sides in the Russian campaign as well. Spaniards fought for Hitler in the Blau Division, while many other Spaniards joined the Soviet partisan forces against Hitler).

I started a thread few months ago about Irish in Mexico (specifically Irish Americans who defected to the Mexican cause during the Mexican-American War).

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=435982#post435982

Some famous continental Europeans of Irish descent:

Maxmillien Robespierre - Needs no introduction. His parents emigrated to France during the Reformation

Peter von Lacy - The most successful Russian general before Suvorov. He served in the Irish Brigade in France, before following his commander into Russian service. He is credited for helping Peter the Great win the Great Northern War against the Swedes, which allowed St. Petersburg to be built. He is of Norman Irish descent.

Joseph Cornelius O'Rourke - Was a Russian general during the Napoleonic Wars. He is most well remembered for defeating the Turks at Varvarin, Serbia.

Etienne-Jacques-Joseph-Alexandre MacDonald - French general under Napoleon

Bernardo O'Higgins Riquelme - First Chilean head of state, former independence fighter.

Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese