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Jorich
Friday, June 30th, 2006, 02:09 PM
I have seen some pictures of the Hottentotten and Khoi Khoi and in some u can see some strange details. Some have a very strange face (bright,chinese eyes) and they have a dark color.
http://www.namibiana.de/photos/art_z/0969z.jpg


I'm not sure about this picture ,but I think its a comparison between negros(left) and capoid!
Well ,maybe some one have some information about them!
I think its a very intressting thing,because the bushmans looks so different to normal negros!

Horagalles
Friday, June 30th, 2006, 02:43 PM
I have seen some pictures of the Hottentotten and Khoi Khoi and in some u can see some strange details. Some have a very strange face (bright,chinese eyes) and they have a dark color.

I'm not sure about this picture ,but I think its a comparison between negros(left) and capoid!
Well ,maybe some one have some information about them!
I think its a very intressting thing,because the bushmans looks so different to normal negros!Hottentotten and Khoi is the same group. You think of Hottentotten and Boesman (or in pc: Khoi and San). Together they are refered to as Khoisanides. They are both Khoisanides. One possibly a Boesman, while the other is a Hotentott. Some of them are darker more negroid, which is due to admixture.
http://www.omroep.nl/ikon/werelden/eden/eden31.jpghttp://www.omroep.nl/ikon/werelden/eden/eden2.jpg
http://www.ngheuwelkruin.org.za/Sending/Buitelandsesending/Tsumkwe/Tsumkwe10.jpg
http://www.ngheuwelkruin.org.za/Sending/Buitelandsesending/Tsumkwe/Tsumkwe4.jpg
http://www.ngheuwelkruin.org.za/Sending/Buitelandsesending/Tsumkwe/Tsumkwe9.jpg
Source: http://www.ngheuwelkruin.org.za/Sending/Buitelandsesending/Tsumkwe/fotoblad.html
There are few Boesman left in Botswana and SWA. Some are also in Angola and South-Africa. There are Hottentotts in SWA (Nama) in South Africa they are usually counted as Coloureds. Almost all coloureds have some Hottentott or Boesman ancestry. Examples of Coloureds:
http://www.forgottenpeoples.info/images/DSCN0061.JPGhttp://www.africaguide.com/travel/images/uploads/1103/WC08_Kleurling_met_druiwe_F.jpghttp://cesa.imb.org/stories/Forgotten_peoples/NCape_sm.jpg

Agrippa
Friday, June 30th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Khoisanids being mostly the result of a gracialisation and reduction of the archaic Southern sapiens spectrum, represented with the Boskop and Boskop-like findings. The original form was taller and more robust, whereas Sanids being at the same time infantile and leptomorphic.
The Khoids being less reduced in comparison and have stronger other influences, especially Aethiopoid and Negrid (Kafrid). Therefore they are in comparison to Sanids more progressive and their subsistence pattern was different too, they being specialised herders.

Enibas
Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 12:05 AM
I found this in Wikipedia about the Khoi Khoi and the Hottentotten:

Khoikhoi



The Khoikhoi ("men of men") or Khoi, sometimes spelt KhoeKhoe, are a historical division of the Khoisan ethnic group of south-western Africa, closely related to the Bushmen (or San, as the Khoikhoi called them). At the time of the arrival of white settlers in 1652 they had lived in southern Africa for about 30,000 years, and practised extensive pastoral agriculture in the Cape region.



Name

They were traditionally - and are still occasionally in colloquial language - known to white colonists as the Hottentots, a name that is nowadays considered offensive by the Oxford Dictionary of South African English. The word "hottentot" meant "stutterer" in the colonists' northern dialect of Dutch, although some Dutch use the verb "stotteren" to describe the clicking sounds (klik being the normal onomatopoeia, parallel to English) typically used in the Khoisan languages. The word lives on, however, in the names of several African animal and plant species, such as the Hottentot Fig, or Ice Plant (Carpobrotus edulis).
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History


Khoikhoi social organisation was profoundly damaged and, in the end, destroyed by white colonial expansion and land seizure from the late seventeenth century onwards, which ended traditional Khoikhoi pastoral life. As social structures broke down, some Khoikhoi people settled on farms and became bondsmen or farmworkers; others were incorporated into existing clan and family groups of the Xhosa people.
Although there is no longer any 'pure' ethnic group in southern Africa with an exclusively Khoikhoi identity, mixed race groups such as the Coloured people of the Cape area; the Griqua people of the Western Cape and the Oorlams people of Namibia all possess Khoikhoi heritage or ancestry, as do many Xhosa (mainly Bantu) people of the Eastern Cape, and some people who identify as white South Africans.
Hottentot women were displayed in Europe in the eighteenth century because of their presumed sexual powers. The most notable of these was a woman known as Saartjie Baartman. In his book Regular Gradations of Man (1799), Dr. Charles White, a historical race scientist, claimed blacks were half way between whites and apes in the great chain of being. He used the example of Hottentot women to show the supposedly primal sexuality of blacks. He claimed Hottentot women had overdeveloped breasts, showing a more animal nature. Also cited were the elongated labia minora which among Khoisan women could hang down as many as four inches outside the vulva, and steatopygia; their tendency to develop large deposits of fat on their butts, in a very specific way far beyond that of Western women.

Thorburn
Thursday, March 22nd, 2012, 05:03 AM
I have seen some pictures of the Hottentotten and Khoi Khoi and in some u can see some strange details. Some have a very strange face (bright,chinese eyes) and they have a dark color.

Well ,maybe some one have some information about them!
I think its a very intressting thing,because the bushmans looks so different to normal negros!

Brenna Henn and Marcus Feldman genotyped 650,000 „single-nucleotide polymorphisms”, i. e. individual changes in the DNA, in people from 25 African populations. Apart from the click-speaking hunter-gatherer populations from South Africa and Tanzania (the Bushmen and the Hadza), they also studied Pygmies and 21 agriculturalist populations. Statistical analysis showed that the Bushmen (which are the proto-Capoids, some studies suggest an age of 100,000 years) had the greatest genetic variation and are most likely to be the source population from which all other African populations diverged.