View Full Version : I'll try to explain Turanids but I'm no expert

Monday, November 10th, 2003, 11:46 PM
Differences between Turanids and Uralics are slight and not obvious. Turanids are Europeans hybridized with Mongoloids (or vice versa?). Uralics are *perhaps* a pseudo-mongolid race from the Caucasian-Asian split while Turanids are a contact race created through continuous admixture and not evolution.

Turanid men and women have rounded facial features, wide fleshy faces. They don't always have eyefolds and other Asian traits (blue-black hair color, dark eyes, high-set eyebrows, etc). I notice they can have rounded or rectangular faces. They have broad and forward projecting cheekbones. The nasojugal fold area connecting the nose and cheeks can be weirdly fleshy (see the man below).

http://www.kzchat.com/Gallery/M/murat.jpg http://www.bashedu.ru/konkurs/hayrullin/tip2.gif

Kazakh man and Bashkir woman

Pigmentation can be anything, depending on amount of European vs. Mongoloid but usually tend to be dark like Mongoloids. Their noses are longer than Uralics and not really "snubbed."


Persians considered the Turanid/Altaid people to be beautiful. :D

Archelogical and anthropological studies indicate the original Magyars were largely of the Turanid racial type. The Turanid racial type is the standard racial type of the Turkic peoples and isn't found among Finns or the Ob-Ugrians. The publication of the works by Pal Liptak, Istvan Kiszely, and others show beyond any reasonable doubt (30,000 people examined) that Hungarians are predominantly Turkic physically. There are c. 7% of people who can be associated with Finno-Ugric types, such as East Baltic, for instance.

You can see examples of Hungarians (http://www.kiszely.hu/istvan_dr/016.html) of Turanid and Alföldi ('Homo Pannonicus') types, however I don't think the blonde girl shown is Keleti-Balti (East Baltic). The 'Alföldi típus' older lady looks like an Eskimo.

The ProtoHungarians were at least bilingual. Some of them spoke a Finno-Ugrian type of language, others a West-Turkic (Thranian or Onogur) tongue and some others probably an Iranian-Mesopotamian type of language. Gradually a new, composite language evolved, based on the grammatical structure of the Finno–Ugrian component, a logical, simple, agglutinating tongue. It retained the simplest basic words of that language, with the Turkic-Onogur and the Mesopotamian-Iranian elements enriching its vocabulary.

The name the Hungarians apply to themselves, ‘Magyar", derives from the Ugrian "Mansi– or "Magy–" with the addition of the Turkic "-eri." forming "Megyeri" – "Magyen." – "Magyar", which became the name of the largest tribe Both particles mean "men". The name given to them by the western historians, ‘Hungarian" (Latin: "Hungarus"), is a variation of the name "Hun-Ogur" – "Onogur" – "Hungur" used since the fifth century by foreign chroniclers, a reminder of their association with TurkicOnogur-Hun peoples.

Anthropometric measurements carried out on skeletons from the settlement period indicate a racially composite people. The main components were the Turanoid (Turkic-Onogur), the East–Baltic (Finno-Ugrian), the Uralian or Ugrian (the eastern branch of the Finno-Ugrian) with substantial components of Caucasian, Anatolian, Nordoid, Dinarian, Mediterranean and Alpine racial types.

This linguistically and racially composite nation has obviously evolved from the successive amalgamations of clans, tribes and groups of various racial and geographical origins. The ProtoHungarian people were made up of some Nordic tribes of Ugrian origin who came from the Volga–Kama-Ural region and of a (probably larger) eastern component of Turkic–Onogur (Turanian) people who came from the Caspian region. These Turkic elements included Scythian, Hunnic and Avar types as well and later some Khazars. To these came the third, southern segment, the Caucasian (Sabir, Alanian) and Iranian-Mesopotamian elements.

A Turanid element can leave a "Turanoid" etc., that means: similar to the Turanid race, stamp on an individual of a different race.

I think this girl (http://www.miss3szepe.hu/hu/l_sztanko.php) might be actually Turanoid, though a Neo-Danubian. Here are people from Kazakhstan (http://www.kzchat.com/Gallery/index.htm), some of them are Russians though. Women from Dnepropetrovsk (http://www.ukrainesingles.com/women/women_of_city/dnepropetrovsk_1.htm), Ukraine, 2 (http://www.marriageua.narod.ru). The people there are supposedly Turanid. Maybe some are. ;)

These Bashkir and Tatar women from Ufa, Bashkortostan are mostly some blend of Turanid and mainly Nordic-Ladogan types like East Baltic and Neo Danubian:

Women of Southern Urals Turkic ancestry:


Modern Benoni
Saturday, November 13th, 2004, 09:36 AM
http://www.chessgames.com/chessportraits/peterleko.jpg I think Hungarian chess grandmaster Peter Leko might be Turanid.

Saturday, November 13th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Differences between Turanids and Uralics are slight and not obvious. Turanids are Europeans hybridized with Mongoloids (or vice versa?). Uralics are *perhaps* a pseudo-mongolid race from the Caucasian-Asian split while Turanids are a contact race created through continuous admixture and not evolution. Ancient Turan was populated by Europids and has been fully europid at that time. Since the Turan term and has become part of the -Turkics- identity (through Turkestan), history and culture, the Turanid definition should not refer to the ancient Turanians. In ancient Iranian history the Turanians are connected with the Iranians, with Tur being the son of Feridoun.

Ironically Panturkists -misinterprete- history with geography and thus they claim ancient Turanians to have been Turkic in heart, -race- and soul. There is even a Turk battleship with the name Afrasyab.

Persians considered the Turanid/Altaid people to be beautiful. :D

You are mixing up the past with the present.