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Chlodovech
Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 03:07 AM
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Perhaps the most wild claims still circulating about the Vril Society, and its offshoot The Thule Society, is the legends of a secret Nazi UFO program. Presumably the Vril Society established contact with the "Secret Chiefs" or the Vril-ya themselves, and secretly began cooperating with certain German scientists in the late 20's.

As early as 1936 Hitler was sending teams of "Spelunkers" into caves and mines all over Europe searching for the Vril-ya. The Nazi's had also explored Antarctica extensively during the years 1937-38. In search of the fabled hole of the South Pole they apparently had success, like Admiral Byrd, in discovering these entrances. It was here that some say they made contact with the "Unknown Superman" who lived in the fabled "Rainbow City".

"In his controversial presentation UFO Secrets of the Third Reich, Vladimir Terziski draws a connection between alien beings and such German secret societies as the Tempelhoff,the Thule, the Vril, and the Black Sun. Terziski tells of an "alien tutor race" that secretly began cooperating with certain German scientists in the late 1920's in underground bases and began to introduce their concepts of philosophical, cultural, and technological progress." (The Rainbow Conspiracy, p.62)

"With help from extraterrestrial intelligences, Terziski postulates, the Nazis mastered antigravity space flight, established space stations, accomplished time travel,and developed their spacecraft to warp speeds. At the same time the aliens "spread their Mephistophelean ideas" into the wider German population through the Thule and Vril Societies."

"Terziski maintains that antigravity research began in Germany in the 1920's with the first hybrid antigravity circular craft, the RFZ-1, constructed by the Vril Society. In 1942-43 a series of antigravity machines culminated in the giant 350-foot long, cigar-shaped Andromeda space station, which was constructed in old zeppelin hangars near Berlin by E4, the research and development arm of the SS."(ibid p.62, Brad Steiger)

A familiar tune by now for those familiar with UFOlore. Many books have claimed this as well although none of them seem to agree on one particular scenario. Many photographs have also turned up as would be expected. Some have been exposed as hoaxes while others remain "unknowns". The Allies confiscated every scrap of Nazi documents, and most are still classified to this day. It is well known that the Germans had some out-of-this-world research for the time. Incidentally, the Vril Society's existence was verified in the pilfered records and is in the possession of the British.

If in fact the Vril-Ya do exist and the Nazis did indeed establish contact with this superior race, then we could assume that this antigravity propulsion worked on the principles of Vril force. On the other hand, the Nazis, it has already been established, were driven by occult groups, like the Vril society, whose workings extended into the reaches of just such a force that would lead to the discovery Vril. So whether the tale of the Vril-Ya is for real or not is besides the point. Many have discovered this force independently of Lytton's work. It will continue to be suppressed. And for exactly the reasons that Lytton warned about in his book.

Chlodovech
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 03:27 AM
The video lasts only 7 minutes, you might give it a try: The Flytrap German Saucer? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8158786628311217291&pl=true)

Destruit productions.


"Der Riese", ("The Giant" in English), is located in the"Gory Sowie" or Owl Mountains of modern-day Poland. It ... all consisted of seven underground complexes which concerned themselves with the mining, refining, research and development of uranium both for energy producing machines and weapons of war. The tunnels of the larger complexes are almost two miles in length. Courtesy of Robert Lesniakiewicz. Mr.Lesniakiewicz is a Polish engineer and a member of the research group responsible for opening, exploring and mapping of "Der Riese".

A mountain fortress or "Alpenfestung" was to be set up in the German held areas of Northern Italy, Austria and Germany in roughly the areas in which these countries converged with each other and Switzerland. A fortress was to be set up in the Harz Mountains of Thruingia including several large underground complexes. This would extend from Nordhausen in the north down through Kahla and into the Jonas Valley. Another similar fortress complex was scheduled for the Owl Mountains separating Poland from Czechoslovakia including "Der Riese" mentioned earlier. Another fortress was to be set up in the Black Forest of Southern Germany. Other minor islands of resistance were to be set up in Norway, the Bohemian forest and the Bavarian forest.

Chlodovech
Tuesday, August 8th, 2006, 02:20 PM
More video on the context of this matter.

Vril/Black Sun/ NS contacts with outer space (!)/ a German base on Antartica... I guarantee you wil love this.

Secrets of the third reich (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8291386537788537096&q=reich)

Graf Spee
Tuesday, August 8th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Secrets of the third reich (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8291386537788537096&q=reich)

Just for more information. That film is the same as the german "Ufo Geheimnisse des 3.Reichs" (whos forerunner is "Ufos das Dritte Reich schlaegt zurueck") It is based mostly on the writings of Ralf Ettl and Norbert Rattenhofer.
Altough many of their points are questionable there is also some truth to it.

Here you can get some of there books http://www.arcanorum.de/webshop/

I can especially recommend the novel "Z-Plan" from Ettl. Unfortunately there is no english translation.

teutonicscult
Wednesday, November 19th, 2008, 01:18 PM
Ever heard of Nazi UFOs?
Could someone elaborate on this topic?

Hersir
Wednesday, November 19th, 2008, 06:44 PM
http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Vril%20symbol2.jpg

The Vril Gesellschaft (Society) was said to have been founded to explore the origins of the Aryan race. It was founded as "The All German Society for Metaphysics" in 1921. The Society was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Maria Orsitch (Orsic) of Zagreb, who claimed to have received communication from Aryan aliens living in Alpha Tauri, in the Aldebaran system, since 1919. These aliens had once visited Earth and settled in Sumeria. Allegedly, Vril is the shortening of "Vri-Il", which in the ancient Sumerian language translates as "Like God". The Vril medium was a woman that called herself Sigrun. Sigrun is based on Sigrune, one of the Norse God Wotan's nine daughters and also a Valkyrie.


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The Society allegedly taught exercises in concentration designed to awaken the forces of Vril (the inner light of the Godhead), but their main goal was to achieve Raumflug (Spaceflight) to reach Aldebaran. To achieve this Vril joined the Thule Gesellschaft and DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) to fund an ambitious program involving an inter-dimensional flight machine based on psychic revelations from the Aldebaran aliens.

In 1922, Thule and Vril constructed Germany's first flight disc, the JFM (Jenseitsflugmaschine) or "Other World Flight Machine", in Munich, for channeled flight testing that lasted two years. The project was led by W.O. Schumann of the Technical University of Munich, but the project was halted in 1924 with the machine dismantled and shipped to Messerschmitt's Augsburg facility, where it was stored for future research.

Professor Schumann developed a levitation unit from the research which was called the Schumann-Munich, or SM-Levitator.

Members of the Vril Society are said to have included Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Gring, and Dr. Theodor Morell. These were original members of the Thule Society which supposedly joined Vril in 1919. The NSDAP was created by Thule in 1920, one year later.

With Hitler in power in 1933, both Thule and Vril Gesellschafts received official state backing for continued disc development programs aimed at both spaceflight and possibly a war machine.

The new RFZ (Rund flugzeug) or "Round Aircraft" series began in 1937, after Vril bought the fallow land surrounding the Arado-Brandenburg aircraft facility. RFZ discs 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 were tested there under Vril supervision while Thule was helped by special SS technical branch unit E-IV, which was tasked with developing alternative energies. Thule worked on a seperate disc at a secret location in NW Germany referred to as Hauneburg from 1935 on. As such their product was known as the H-Gerat (Hauneburg Device) but this was shortened to Haunebu in 1939 once the disc's Triebwerk (Thrustwork) engine was perfected. Haunebu I was briefly designated as RFZ-5 when Thule moved from Hauneburg to Arado-Brandenburg.

The Thule Triebwerk was a revolutionary EMG (electro-magnetic-gravitic) engine also known as a Tachyonator 7. It used a modified Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat (a gravitic free-energy battery) turned into a converter that was coupled to a Van De Graaf band generator and a Marconi dynamo (spinning tank of heated mercury). Once activated, the Triebwerk produced strong rotating EMG fields that affected gravity. The rotating fields also turned the dynamo, creating a reduction of mass at incredible Rpms.

Vril also developed its own Triebwerk by 1941 with the RFZ-7, which was re-designated Vril-1 Jager (Hunter).

After 1941 Hitler forbade secret societies, so both Thule and Vril were documented under the SS E-IV unit. Vril also became secretly known as "Die Kette" - "The Chain", which refers to their mental links to their circle of members. Vril had strong contacts with Canaris of the Abwehr, the Ahnenerbe (SS occult bureau), and worked with the engineers at Arado.

Both the Thule and Vril discs were built from 1939-1945. Thule produced the Haunebu I-III series of large discs while the Vril series were more concerned with resuming channeled flight. By 1944, construction of a Vril 7 Geist (Ghost) channeled flight disc was achieved, as well as a huge 139 meter long cylindrical mothership called the Andromeda-Gerat (Andromeda Device).

A special unit named Sonderburo (Special Bureau) 13 was created by the Luftwaffe to "officially" investigate strange aerial phenomenon over the Reich but "unofficially" was created to cover-up these reports of flight discs and flying cigars. In September 1944 a Me-262 jet pilot caught site of one of the Andromeda craft and reported it. Sonderburo 13 immediately tried to feign ignorance of such a device.

Meanwhile, as the Allies advanced further into the Reich, Vril planned to evacuate its technology to bases outside of Europe, especially to a secret Antarctic base - Base 211, while their own personal plan was to evacuate their circle of mediums to the stars by channeled flight of the Andromeda. They left in March 1945 and were never found again.

Videos
http://anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4oO_B6dOrc
http://anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EIStFjGso


Read more:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_vril.htm

(Posted by Blutwlfin at NoFo)

Herzbluth
Friday, May 15th, 2009, 08:22 AM
The problem about this subject is that big number of, where just one author copies the other, without making any own research – but adding new phantasies. If you follow bck the traces of these publications, we'll find only very few sources. As said above, one of the writers who coined the believes of a certain "esoteric" scene, is Ralf Ettl. If you read his (very cheap made) pamphlets in original, it appears rather weird. Which mustn't say it's all wrong – but he doesn't name his sources, which makes an own research become more difficult.

But for those of you who also can handle this subject with a littly irony – there's a movie worth waiting for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEueJnsu80

svennio
Saturday, September 19th, 2009, 12:41 PM
http://www.greyfalcon.us/
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/HTMLdosya1/vriltechnology.htm

frippardthree
Sunday, October 11th, 2009, 08:27 AM
I had once read about this in one of Art Bell's books.

http://www.alien-earth.org/books/aitem.php?keyid=75&author=41&letter=a

http://www.alien-earth.org/books/images/75.jpg

John_Rinehart
Monday, October 12th, 2009, 08:01 PM
First, I would like to extend my greetings to the members of this forum.
I do have a question that may sound odd. If the Vril-ya existed or still exist to this day, how can one contact them? It was accomplished in the past - perhaps it can be performed again. Feel free to contact me either on this post or via my email address: jrinehart@charter.net

frippardthree
Friday, February 5th, 2010, 07:04 AM
This looks like it would be an interesting read! I can't say that I would be convinced though, but it still sounds interesting!


A UFO DIGEST BOOK REVIEW

The Nazi UFO Controversy: Banned In 22 Countries"
"UFOs, Nazi Secret Weapons?"
by Mattern Friedrich
Reviewed by Sean Casteel

Posted: 15:25 September 2, 2009

The Nazi UFO Controversy: Banned In 22 Countries
When Timothy Green Beckley chose to publish "UFOs, Nazi Secret Weapons?" he realized he was taking a risk of no mean proportions. Beckley even carefully declares on the book's cover that this edition is not endorsed by himself, any known UFOlogists or conspiracy theorists, and most certainly not the Space Brothers.

Why all this care and concern? After all, there has been much written already about the possibility that some UFOs were designed by Nazi scientists working feverishly against the clock as the eventual defeat of Germany in World War II came to be seen as more and more inevitable. Even renowned author and conspiracy theorist Jim Maars talks about the flying saucers on the drawing boards of Nazi weapons designers without so much as ruffling the feathers of everyday UFO believers in his recent book "The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten To Take Over America."

The difference with Beckley's new offering is that "UFOs, Nazi Secret Weapons?" was written by a genuine, unapologetic Nazi sympathizer named Mattern Friedrich, who also went by the pseudonyms Christof Friedrich and Ernest Zundel. However he was named, one learns in Beckley's cautious introduction that Friedrich originally wrote the book in the 1970s and it was the very first to put forth the idea that some flying saucers were of Nazi design. All other treatments of the subject followed in its wake, although usually with a more morally palatable point of view. Friedrich did time in jail in both Canada and the U.S. for various hate crime violations and at one point stated that pursuing his vision had cost him some years of freedom but the public notoriety that came with it had also given him more free publicity than he could have ever imagined.

The worth of this document some thirty or so years down the line is purely as an historical artifact. In a manner similar to the 1935 Nazi propaganda film "Triumph of the Will," directed by Leni Riefenstahl, it is undeniably a work of true evil. But it is also, in its own specialized context, a museum piece of 20th century UFOlogical theory that may have some merit in purely speculative terms.

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Schopenhauer
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 03:12 AM
Interested parties might also want to check out this interview with Joseph Farrell regarding the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toNd_5mh8c4

Here's another link to a different interview with Farrell where he goes a little more in depth on the post war ramifications of the Bell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp8MqaEutew

frippardthree
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 06:30 AM
Interested parties might also want to check out this interview with Joseph Farrell regarding the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toNd_5mh8c4

Here's another link to a different interview with Farrell where he goes a little more in depth on the post war ramifications of the Bell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp8MqaEutew

He also has a new book out.


Hi friends:

Sorry I havent been here in a while but I was finishing up a new book which is now at the publisher (Adventures Unlimited Press) and due out in a couple of months. But before I get to that there is some other business to take care of. First, Ive had several comments and inquiries and emails, and in some cases people ask why I dont respondits very simple: I dont have enough time to respond to each and every one. Second: Id like to thank those who have continued to help me with donations.one of my publishers is now in arrears (seriously so) with an advance (in this case, a matter of months) and I am seriously considering having the other publisher handle all my business, or finding a new one. But anyway, in this context, the help has helped! Thirdly, a plea: there are some of you issuing me challenges in the comments, so I ask you to bear one thing in mind..debate and commentary does not pay my billsBOOKS do, which is why I devote much more time to that that to engaging in internet drama. I research, read, and write almost non-stop, so please bear that in mind. I have increasingly less time to respond to emails, comments, challenges and so on, though I would like to do so. Finally, Id be very grateful for some conferences and speaking engagements.if you know or have a favorite conference or would like to hear me speak, suggest me to the conference organizers as a guest speaker.

Ok thats the old business, so down to the matter at hand. The second new book Roswell and The Reich is now at the publisher, Adventures Unlimited Press, and should be out February-March of next year. The book is available at amazon.com for pre-order but heres my advice: order it from Adventures Unlimited Press directly, as they will get the book from the printer long before it makes its way through the distributors to the stores and to amazon. Their number during normal business hours is 1-800-718-4514so call them and place an order and theyll place it on backorder and ship it when it comes it.Who knows? Lots of orders might it printed sooner.
More:http://www.gizadeathstar.com/

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chrisjqb
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 07:48 AM
The difference with Beckley's new offering is that "UFOs, Nazi Secret Weapons?" was written by a genuine, unapologetic Nazi sympathizer named Mattern Friedrich, who also went by the pseudonyms Christof Friedrich and Ernest Zundel.

So Beckleys new offering does not even get the name of the author correct.

Ernst Zndel is his real name, see http://www.zundelsite.org/

frippardthree
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 08:13 AM
This is a very recent article, that I found.


THURSDAY, 11 FEBRUARY 2010

Early Claims Of Nazis Having UFOs

The earliest non-fiction assertion of Nazi flying saucers appears to have been an article which appeared in the Italian newspaper Il Giornale d'Italia in early 1950. Written by Professor Giuseppe Belluzzo, an Italian scientist and a former Italian Minister of National Economy under the Mussolini regime, it claimed that "types of flying discs were designed and studied in Germany and Italy as early as 1942". Belluzzo also expressed the opinion that "some great power is launching discs to study them".

The same month, German engineer Rudolf Schriever gave an interview to German news magazine Der Spiegel in which he claimed that he had designed a craft powered by a circular plane of rotating turbine blades 49 ft (15 m) in diameter. He said that the project had been developed by him and his team at BMW's Prague works until April 1945, when he fled Czechoslovakia. His designs for the disk and a model were stolen from his workshop in Bremerhaven-Lehe in 1948 and he was convinced that Czech agents had built his craft for "a foreign power". In a separate interview with Der Spiegel in October 1952 he said that the plans were stolen from a farm he was hiding in near Regen on 14 May 1945. There are other discrepancies between the two interviews that add to the confusion.



In 1953, when Avro Canada announced that it was developing the VZ-9-AV Avrocar, a circular jet aircraft with an estimated speed of 1,500 mph (2,400 km/h), German engineer Georg Klein claimed that such designs had been developed during the Third Reich. Klein identified two types of supposed German flying discs:

A non-rotating disk developed at Breslau by V-2 rocket engineer Richard Miethe, which was captured by the Soviets, while Miethe fled to the US via France, and ended up working for Avro.

A disk developed by Rudolf Schriever and Klaus Habermohl at Prague, which consisted of a ring of moving turbine blades around a fixed cockpit. Klein claimed that he had witnessed this craft's first manned flight on 14 February 1945, when it managed to climb to 12,400 m (41,000 ft) in 3 minutes and attained a speed of 2,200 km/h (1,400 mph) in level flight.
Aeronautical engineer Roy Fedden remarked that the only craft that could approach the capabilities attributed to flying saucers were those being designed by the Germans towards the end of the war. Fedden (who was also chief of the technical mission to Germany for the Ministry of Aircraft Production) stated in 1945:

I have seen enough of their designs and production plans to realize that if they (the Germans) had managed to prolong the war some months longer, we would have been confronted with a set of entirely new and deadly developments in air warfare.

Fedden also added that the Germans were working on a number of very unusual aeronautical projects, though he did not elaborate upon his statement.

In 1959, Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, editor of the U.S.A.F.'s Project Blue Book wrote:

When WWII ended, the Germans had several radical types of aircraft and guided missiles under development. The majority were in the most preliminary stages, but they were the only known craft that could even approach the performance of objects reported to UFO observers."

Source: Wikipedia
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arcticdoctor
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 10:33 AM
This is my 1st post here at skadi. I noticed the UFO thread, and decided to check it out. My interest in UFOs always gets a laugh from my "scientific" friends and co-workers. I generally don't bother to point out to them that
" Intellectual curiosity " is the basis for most scientific discoveries.
I have read most of Farrell's books and Marrs' book, among others. There seems to be a veritable cottage industry cranking out books warning of the imminent take-over of the world by aging, unreconstructed, WWII "nazis".
According to these authors most of the ills affecting our modern world are due to these "nazi death cults". hmmm.
Anyway, the actual technical stuff about German UFOs and advanced technology in Farrell's books is pretty interesting and, apparently, fairly accurate.
Last year I was in the "secret" nuclear research facility in Argentina that Farrell describes in one of his books. It is a State Park now, complete with signs pointing to the "Nuclear Reactor", to the "German Nuclear Physicist's house", and to the public restrooms. According to Farrell, Juan Peron, and the signs at the site, in 1947 the German physicist and his team achieved
a "controlled nuclear explosion". The team I was with went through the entire complex with geigercounters looking for residual radioactivity.
See <www.sharkhunters.com> for some interesting photos of the site.
Anyway, just to clarify that I'm not dissing Mr Farrell, I think his research on German UFOs/advanced technology from WWII is very interesting and has been corroborated by a number of other researchers.
It's just that I find the conclusions that Farrell, Marrs, et.al, then draw about the "Fourth Reich" taking over the world are not supported by the facts.
And the idea that Angela Merkel might be a secret agent of this mythical "4th Reich" is really off the charts.

Ralf
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 09:29 PM
Dont forget the Alied reports of "Foo Fighters" during the war.

As for the Nazis contacting whoever for advanced technical knowledge, its nothing new and certainly not confined to the Nazis, it was much more prevalent in the early days of man, days that some say man was more advanced than he is today, a claim backed up by certain discoveries of the ancients that it is beyond our current technology to replicate.

Heres a few lines from "The Book of Enoch", translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls.


6

And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjz, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samazz, their leader, Arkba, Rml, Kkabl, Tml, Rml, Dnl, zql, Barqjl, Asl, Armrs, Batrl, Annl, Zaql, Samspl, Satarl, Trl, Jmjl, Saril. These are their chiefs of tens.
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And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
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And Azzl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjz taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armrs the resolving of enchantments, Barqjl (taught) astrology, Kkabl the constellations, zql the knowledge of the clouds, Araqil the signs of the earth, Shamsil the signs of the sun, and Saril the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...
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Gardisten
Monday, February 15th, 2010, 10:10 PM
Last year I was in the "secret" nuclear research facility in Argentina that Farrell describes in one of his books. It is a State Park now, complete with signs pointing to the "Nuclear Reactor", to the "German Nuclear Physicist's house", and to the public restrooms. According to Farrell, Juan Peron, and the signs at the site, in 1947 the German physicist and his team achieved a "controlled nuclear explosion". The team I was with went through the entire complex with geigercounters looking for residual radioactivity.

Wasn't this in one of the episodes of Destination Truth?


And the idea that Angela Merkel might be a secret agent of this mythical "4th Reich" is really off the charts.

Yeah, but her life-story really does make one wonder. Speaks Russian fluently, former member of the FDJ. How she got to be leader of a "Christian" conservative party and now Chancellor is beyond me.

frippardthree
Tuesday, February 16th, 2010, 04:14 AM
There are always the Thule Society connections with Nazi UFO technology, as well.


HOW THE THULE AND BLACK SUN SECRET SOCIETIES SPAWNED MANMADE UFO TECHNOLOGY *PIC*

Posted By: Patriotlad
Date: Tuesday, 20-Feb-2007 11:12:34

In Response To: NAZI BASES IN ANTARCTICA (Rayelan)
FROM YOU TUBE POSTER 'INVASIONOFTHEEMPIRE', COMES A RARELY SEEN DOCUMENTARY ON THE NATIONAL SOCIALISTS OF GERMANY AND THE THULE, BLACK SUN, AND VRIL SECRET SOCIETIES -- AND THEIR CONNECTION TO MANMADE 'UFO' TECHNOLOGIES --

Part 1. The Thule Society is conceptualized in Vienna, 1917 --

Four men and a woman are said to have created the template for the secretive Thule Society, which gained the allegiance of scores of distinguished aristocrats, immediately following the collapse of the German empire at the end of The Great War. It was officially founded in 1919. The Thule Society was instrumental in helping the tiny German Workers Party transform itself into the National Socialist German Workers Party or NSDAP ( the German acronym ). The later formation of the S.S. or protective staff of the party was closely aligned, behind the scenes, with the Thule Society and its allies in the Vril Society.

Complete Article:http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=99815


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arcticdoctor
Tuesday, February 16th, 2010, 07:23 AM
Gardisten: I agree, Ms Merkel is definitely a mysterious lady. And her history
and politics would seem to make her more likely to be an "agent" of the
" 6th International" rather than the "4th Reich".
On an other humorous note, did you see the pictures going around the Net a
few years ago of a much younger Ms Merkel along side Aunt Eva?
The resemblance was uncanny.

Gardisten
Tuesday, February 16th, 2010, 02:23 PM
No, can't say that I do, but I do remember the one of Bush giving her a massage...

Dropkick
Wednesday, June 23rd, 2010, 03:48 PM
Heres a project camelot interview with Joseph Farrell. Its almost 2hours long and very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJboIFKCFU

ohrdruf
Sunday, August 15th, 2010, 05:10 PM
I have never believed in the Aldebaran business or Haunebu. The evidence we have, and which has escaped the attention of all those interested in such paranormal ideas, seems to indicate that towards the end of the war the Germans came into possession of an advanced technology in its experimental stages, which enabled them to operate their U-boats and aircraft within a spherical ray giving complete protection. How this spherical ray would look from within at a base such as Antarctica, or to the eyes of a somebody outside it, is also a mystery.

wittwer
Tuesday, August 17th, 2010, 06:48 PM
There was a Research and Development Sector under the control of the Luftwaffe and German Aviation Industry that was investigating "Coanda effect Fan" Vertical Takeoff and Landing Air Frame Vehicles during the thirties and forties. These are the fabled "Nazi UFO's". At the end of the War the scientists and researchers were pulled out and shipped to the West to continue the development of the technology in conjunction with Allied developments. Vogt Air developed operational prototypes as well as Avro who named it the "Avro Air Car".

Nothing magical, mystical and mysterious about this.

The V-2 was a far better development.

teutonicscult
Tuesday, August 17th, 2010, 07:23 PM
So is this what's taking place in Area 51? ie. investigating the principles of "Coanda effect Fan" Vertical Takeoff and Landing Air Frame Vehicles and the like. Mixing the story with Aliens as a cover up to divert attention, with it the knowledge, of the public as for what is really going on?

Neophyte
Tuesday, August 17th, 2010, 08:31 PM
So is this what's taking place in Area 51? ie. investigating the principles of "Coanda effect Fan" Vertical Takeoff and Landing Air Frame Vehicles and the like. Mixing the story with Aliens as a cover up to divert attention, with it the knowledge, of the public as for what is really going on?

When it comes to secret government/military stuff ou always have to ask yourself: Is there something secret there, or are they just f***ing with my mind? Or both?

Maybe the Air Force wants you, and everyone else, to believe that there are UFOs at Area 51? Maybe. ;)

wittwer
Tuesday, August 17th, 2010, 09:07 PM
So is this what's taking place in Area 51? ie. investigating the principles of "Coanda effect Fan" Vertical Takeoff and Landing Air Frame Vehicles and the like. Mixing the story with Aliens as a cover up to divert attention, with it the knowledge, of the public as for what is really going on?

Sounds about right too me. ;)

Ragnar Lodbrok
Wednesday, August 18th, 2010, 03:30 PM
Sounds about right too me. ;)

So in other words a hoax to divert attention from what they were really working on? Given the amount of phony evidence found in connection with area 51 it does sound about right.

Despite all of the hoaxes and lies, the possiblity of something like the Vril-ya and other lifeforms from other areas of the universe is still a possiblity is it not?

wittwer
Wednesday, August 18th, 2010, 10:48 PM
So in other words a hoax to divert attention from what they were really working on? Given the amount of phony evidence found in connection with area 51 it does sound about right.

Despite all of the hoaxes and lies, the possiblity of something like the Vril-ya and other lifeforms from other areas of the universe is still a possiblity is it not?

A possibility yes. A fact no. There is a difference and many play to the gullible and incredulous. For whatever their reasons and much of the time simply for their own personal financial gain. Beware, "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably isn't". ;)

frippardthree
Thursday, August 19th, 2010, 06:18 AM
This perspective does give one the notion, that "Nazi Germany" is now finally being credited in mainstream circles, as to their technological contributions and influence on "NASA" and the former "Soviet Union"'s space programs. Now, I am not saying that the "Nazi's" developed "UFO's", but their V-2 Rocket Program had the potential to develop beyond our understanding, if the "Axis" would have won WWII. The United States & the Soviet Union had borrowed more ideas, than you can imagine from Hitler's Germany.


This will reveal my prior ignorance of the stories behind our history in space, but as we entered the museum portion of the Cosmosphere, the very first thing I noticed was a large Nazi swastika and exhibits of Nazi Germany. Specifically, the displays told the story of the German V-2 rocket program and of some of the human horrors involved in its development and use in World War II. I didn't know the technology that eventually led to Neil Armstrong's first human footprint on the surface of the moon had a short and direct lineage to that V-2 rocket program in Nazi Germany.
The story did not end there. As WWII drew to a close, the United States moved behind the scenes to gather up and move the entire V-2 rocket program to a location more out of harm's way. To be more precise, it was moved quickly out of Russia's grasp. In defiance of a treaty agreement with this WWII ally, the U.S. quickly got the program and its people headed "home" while the final fog of the war played itself out in Europe. In record time for the day, 130-plus people and 434 train car-loads of V-2 rocket equipment and components soon arrived in White Sands, N.M.
This was quite a contrast to the space history I had anticipated when I stepped into the museum, and I was still only a short distance in. The story behind the history continued with the ongoing development of the rocket program, the eventual election of President John F. Kennedy and his bold commitment to putting a man on the moon. I just never grasped all the political intrigue involved behind the scenes and the competitiveness playing out on the world stage between the Soviets and the U.S., of which the space program became somewhat of a proxy battlefield.


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Rev. Jupiter
Friday, August 20th, 2010, 09:51 PM
Realistic explanations aside, I think that the heavily romanticized idea of a secretive Vril society getting involved with saucer-flying extraterrestrials is an incredibly powerful tool, on the mythological level, for engaging in kulturkampf.

Dropkick
Friday, August 20th, 2010, 11:27 PM
The Nazis sent scientists all over the ancient world mainly to Tibet and India among other places. They were on a mission to gather information about ancient flying machines which the Indians called VIMANAs. Theres many cases of it throughout ancient history but it has been surpressed by the hidden world leaders of today.


http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

ohrdruf
Sunday, September 12th, 2010, 04:36 PM
As a German-English translator for fifteen years working on commission for British publishing houses, these being mainly war books from the German angle, I am aware what material in these military books is unwelcome on the English language market. It is not difficult to identify where the most sensitive areas are.

In 2001 when it became known that I had been given a certain SS technical document, I was approached by a security agency and warned in the strongest terms (publish and die). In 2009 when I submitted my own manuscript The German Navy in Argentine Waters to my usual publisher, I was advised quietly that it could never be published in the United Kingdom, and that I should try abroad. In both these cases intervention came from "above".

I shall give a clue to what one should be looking for.

(1) Obtain the article in the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio dated 5 March 1947 quoting the interview with Admiral Richard Byrd. Either he was crazy or a serious threat was made against the United States in Antarctica.

(2) The USAF stated in a 1947 document that the UFOs seen over the United States and Canada that summer were believed to be man-made, and might be a German design, in particular a variation on the Horten brothers' Parabola glider from 1942. The only capability displayed by these aircraft which could not be emulated by "home machines" was the ability to materialize and dematerialize at will. This technology placed the Germans a thousand years ahead of the field at the very end of the war.

(3) From the evidence I have gathered, at least three German submarines, U-234, U-530 and U-977 (the latter two surrendered to Argentina after the war ended) were able to sail within some kind of spherical ray which gave them total protection up to three kilometres in all directions. When within this ray they may not have been very visible.

(4) The so-called foo-fighter was also not very visible. Very probably it was a small remote-controlled model aircraft with a strange shape (the Germans called it die fliegende Schildkrte - the flying tortoise) which sheltered within a spherical ray. It had an H2O2 engine and an ion-mercury engine, the purpose of the latter being unknown. On a few occasions during contact with Allied aircraft, a "slip" occurred and Allied aircrew would see a wingtop or part of the fuselage emerge from the glowing ball. The "foo-fighter" or Kugelblitz was simply an experimental project in its early stages. As in (3) above, while within the protective sphere, the protected aircraft or vessel cannot attack targets outside the sphere.

(5) One translation I did three years ago concentrated mainly on German rocket development. This book has not yet been published and I suspect it will not be. The primary evidence of interest here was the Amerika Rakete. The A9/10 two-stage rocket of this name was not what the Germans were developing. There was a rocket testing site at a place I must call "X" near Ohrdruf in Thuringia. This book had two photographs of "X" from the air, one before and the other after a rocket launch. All vestiges of this site have now been totally eradicated. I saw it mentioned on quite a few webpages, and a few months after I submitted the translation of the book I noticed that all mention of "X" was deleted from these websites.

In October 1942 the Reichspost had a contract to investigate the possibility of increasing the range of rocket fuel tenfold using radioactive material. The following year they were apparently successful based on statements from reputable Allied sources that in the last months of the war the Germans "had a V-2 which could fly 3000 miles" (ten times the range of the conventional V-2). If this is true, they must have had access to a highly advanced scientific technology millenia ahead of Western science. Incidentally work continued at Peenemnde until the last day of the war. Something I am thinking of is that there is a "portal" there. This would explain the launches of rockets over Sweden with trajectories indicating a launch base at Peenemnde and Hardanger Plateau, Norway, after the war finished. The area which I suspect, Prfstand XII, remains off-limits to visitors to this day.

Talking of portals, when those five Avenger aircraft out of Fort Lauderdale got lost in December 1945, the only explanation which fits the facts is that they slipped into the adjacent dimension and could not find the way out. You can see this clearly from the Board of Enquiry Report. All 14 crewmen being advanced navigators, they reported at once that their compasses were malfunctioning and their calculated position was 250 miles east of where it could possibly be. They were in radio contact with the shore for five hours, and in all that time flying they never saw a ship nor a yacht nor a fishing boat, never once saw another aircraft, never saw an island which had any sign of human or animal life, and they could not fly West "because they did not know where it was." This would mean they were either all crazy or flying in a sky where they could not see the sun.

If we work on the premise that German scientists obtained, from some exterior source friendly to their aims, scientific knowledge about the immediately adjacent dimension guaranteeing them Endsieg in a future war, here is a line of research one might fruitfully pursue, and leave aside for a while all ideas of Haunebu and Aldebaran.

oxoter
Monday, October 11th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Nazi UFO is a little like the Loch ness monster. Stories about them began as early as the 50's then everybody forgot about it until it popped again in the 80's (Ernst Zndel admitted to have made a big hoax just to attract readers on his thesis of another type). Then people mixed it up with the "Vril society" for which there is no proof of historical existence but The Morning of the Magicians (Pauwels & Bergier - 1960) mentioning German scientist Willy Ley who fled with Wehrner von Braun to the USA. He heard vaguely of such crazy sects in the Berlin of the 30's. Add to that Antarctic expeditions of the Nazis in 38/39 and Admiral Byrd's in 46 and there you have the Nazi UFO soup. All pictures circulating on the net are fakes. it's so easy to age and manipulate a toy saucer. Look at : http://nazi-secret.com/en/secret-weapons/75-nazi-ufos

Ocko
Monday, October 11th, 2010, 09:51 PM
About Ohrdruf, Thueringen:


If the structure was built like a wheel, the Fhrer headquarters would logically be at the hub, and Amt 10 was at the hub. Allen's description of Amt 10 as having two floors on April 1945 conflicts with the evidence of two persons who worked there: one hinted that there were more than two floors, the other testified there were three. The latter witness also stated that Amt 10 was two great bunkers of the same size, each of three floors, but not connected except by underground piping. Each bunker was guarded on each level by an SS sentry and passes for each entrance were not common to both. The most likely explanation is that the second bunker was constructed in 1944 at the same time as a third level was added to the first Amt 10 bunker as the Fhrer-suite.

As regards the second bunker, a witness stated that in 1944 there was an installation below the Ohrdruf Truppenbungsplatz which created an electro-magnetic field capable of stopping the engines of a conventional aircraft at seven miles. During the war, the Allies never photographed Ohrdruf from the air, nor bombed it, even though their spies must have assured them it was crawling with SS and scientific groups. A German electro-magnetic field which interfered with their aircraft at altitudes of up to seven miles is admitted by a 1945 United States Air Force Intelligence document . The USAF suspected that it was a device to bring down their bombers, but it obviously had some other purpose, or it would have been operating below Berlin.

Many Arnstadt witnesses described occasions when electrical equipment and automobile engines cut out. They always knew when this was about to happen, for the ship's diesel engine at Amt 10 would smoke. A diesel motor is not affected by an electro-magnetic field. In 1980, Russians scientists were still able to measure the field on their equipment, but they were never able to identify the source.

source (http://greyfalcon.us/Located%20near%20Ohrdruf.htm)


from the same article


The Magnetic Ray.

A similar device to the one operating below Ohrdruf finds a place in declassified literature as follows: On December 6, 1944, the US Military Intelligence Service commenced Research Project 1217 "Investigation into German Possible Use of Rays to Neutralize Allied Aircraft Motors". This resulted from "recent interference phenomena occasionally experienced on operations over Germany in the Frankfurt/Main area." It was usually described as "freakish interference to engines and electrical instruments" over the north bank of the Main River, about ten miles from Fhrer headquarters Adlerhorst.

In a top secret report entitled "Engine Interference Counter-Measures" addressed to the Director, Air Technical Service Command, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, reference was made to OSS discussions about a German unit somewhere near Frankfurt/Main operating:

...an influence interfering with conventional aircraft... however incredible it may appear to project from the ground to a height of 30,000 feet sufficient magnetic energy to interfere with the functioning of the ignition system of an airplane, it must be concluded that the enemy not only intends to interfere with our aircraft by some immaterial means, but has also succeeded in accomplishing this intention...

frippardthree
Wednesday, October 13th, 2010, 07:19 AM
Let us not forget some of the more humorous "Nazi UFO" conspiracy theories, relating to the "Hollow Earth" conspiracy theories.:D



It is the last days of World War Two....
The Allies are closing in....
Berlin is crumbling under the weight and impact of hundreds of Allied bombs....
Deep in his fortified bunker, Adolf Hitler, once unshakable in his confidence in Nazi world domination, now admits that defeat is at hand. But Hitler is determined never to suffer the humiliation of being captured by his enemies. There is only one escape route - one he has planned for should he ever face just such a turn of events. Suicide is out of the question. Instead, Hitler and his corps of elite traverse through an underground tunnel to an isolated airstrip. There they board an unmarked plane and fly south. South to the pole. To the opening at the South Pole where they will enter the hollow Earth and disappear from history.
This alternate scenario to history is actually accepted as fact by some proponents of the hollow Earth theory. And as incredible as
it sounds, the genesis of this story lies in some facts that carry
some merit: some of Hitler's top advisors - perhaps even Hitler himself - believed that the Earth was hollow; and there was at least one expedition by the Nazi military to exploit that belief for strategic advantage during the war.

As with all such stories, it's often difficult to sort out facts, exaggerations, and outright fabrications. But it's an intriguing tale, and one that requires a little background.

Hitler's Nazis were convinced that they were destined to rule the world, and they came to this warped conclusion through the acceptance of many occult beliefs and practices, including
astrology, the prophecies of Nostradamus, and the hollow/inverted Earth theory... hohlweltlehre. Because they suspected that our surface is on the interior of a concave Earth, Hitler sent an
expedition in April of 1942, including Dr. Heinz Fischer and powerful telescopic cameras, to the Baltic island of Rugen to spy on the British fleet. Fischer did so not by aiming his cameras across the waters, but by pointing them up to peer across the atmosphere to
the Atlantic Ocean. The expedition was a failure, of course.
Fischer's cameras saw nothing but sky, and the British fleet remained safe.

When the Nazi exponents of the Hollow Earth hypothesis sent the expedition to the island of Rugen, they had complete confidence in their pseudo-scientific vision. Those nearest the Fuehrer shared his belief that such a coup as discovering the entrance to the Inner
World would convince the Masters who lived there that the Nazis were truly deserving of mixing their blood in the hybridization of a master race.

An important element in the Nazi mythos was the belief that representatives of a powerful, underground secret race emerged
from time to time to walk among Homo sapiens. Hitler's frenzied desire to breed a select race of Nordic types was inspired by his obsessive hope that it should be the Germanic peoples who would
be chosen above all other humans to interbreed with the
subterranean supermen in the mutation of a new race of heroes, demigods, and god men.

Nazi UFOs
Then there's the legend... that Hitler and many of his Nazi minions escaped Germany in the closing days of World War II and fled to Antarctica where at the South Pole they had discovered an entrance to the Earth's interior. According to the Hollow Earth Research Society in Ontario, Canada, they are still there. After the war, the organization claims, the Allies discovered that more than 2,000 scientists from Germany and Italy had vanished, along with almost
a million people, to the land beyond the South Pole. This story gets more complicated with Nazi-designed UFOs, Nazi collaboration with the people who live in the center of the Earth, and the explanation
for "Aryan-looking" UFO pilots.

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whatif ?

Is it possible that the list of secret weapons produced by Nazi Germany included flying saucers? Did they actually deploy disc shaped fighters or at least experiment with them?

Victor Schauberger
Some of the earliest stories about German flying saucers date back to an inventor named Victor Schauberger. Schauberger was born in Austria in 1885 and was considered by many to be a crackpot. Schauberger himself said, "They call me deranged. The hope is they are right..." Schauberger believed that machines could be designed better so that they would be "going with the flow of nature" rather than against it.

One of Schauberger's projects was to produce a flying machine, saucer shaped, that used a "liquid vortex propulsion" system. His theory was that "if water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation, known as a 'colloidal,' a build-up of energy results, which, with immense power, can cause levitation."

According to stories Schauberger built several models, one of which was almost five feet in diameter and was powered by a 1/20 hp electric engine. Some reports indicated that one of the models actually flew. There are also reports that, according to letter Victor Schauberger wrote to a friend, a full-sized prototype of one of his designs was constructed using prison labor at the Mauhausen concentration camp. This craft flew on February 19th of 1945 near Prague and obtained an altitude of 45,000 feet in only 3 minutes. The letter goes on to say the prototype was destroyed by the Nazis before it could be captured by the Allies.

After the war Schauberger moved to the United States, where some contend he worked on secret projects for the U.S. government. He died in 1958, apparently claiming his ideas had been stolen.

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did the germans have secret bases at the south pole?

Hitler and Occultism
One should not underestimate occultism's influence on Hitler. His subsequent rejection of Free Masons and esoteric movements, of Theosophy, of Anthrosophy, does not necessarily mean otherwise. Occult circles have long been known as covers for espionage and influence peddling. Hitler's spy apparatus under Canaris and Heydrich were well aware of these conduits, particularly from the direction of Britain which had within its MI5 intelligence agency a department known as the Occult Bureau. That these potential sources of trouble were purged from Nazi life should not be taken to mean that Hitler and the Nazi secret societies were not influenced by mystical and occult writers such as Madame Blavatsky, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Guido Von List, Lanz Von Liebenfels, Rudolf Steiner, George Gurdjieff, Karl Haushofer and Theodor Fritsch. Although Hitler later denounced and ridiculed many of them, he did dedicate his book Mein Kampf to his teacher Dietrich Eckart.

A frequent visitor to Landsberg Prison where Hitler was writing Mein Kampf with the help of Rudolf Hess, was General Karl Haushofer, a university professor and director of the Munich Institute of Geopolitics. Haushofer, Hitler, and Hess had long conversations together. Hess also kept records of these conversations. Hitler's demands for German "Living Space" in the east at the expense of the Slavic nations were based on the geopolitical theories of the learned professor. Haushofer was also inclined toward the esoteric. as military attache in Japan, he had studied Zen-Buddhism. He had also gone through initiations at the hands of Tibetan Lamas. He became Hitler's second "esoteric mentor", replacing Dietrich Eckart.

In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of "Vril". Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff).

Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan Lodges that possessed the secret of the "Superman". The lodge included Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Goring, and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler.

Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the "secret" psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan Lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon.

Rudolf Schriever
Another German designer involved with the Nazi effort during the war was Rudolf Schriever. Schriever, along with some other engineers named Habermohl, Miethe and Bellanzo, apparently came up with several disc-shaped aircraft designs that used more conventional power sources than those Schauberger envisioned. One of Schriever's drawings shows an egg-shaped cockpit surrounded by a rotating fan-like disc that provided the lift. A Mieth drawing depicts a smooth flat saucer with an elongated hump on its back for the cockpit. Both would have been powered by jet engines.

As with Schauberger, there were reports that some of these designs were actually built. The Schriever machine was said to have been tested in 1945 and to have reached an altitude of 12 kilometers in a little over three minutes. It had a top speed of 2000 kilometers an hour.

There is no real, solid evidence, though, that a test flight ever took place and Schriever himself, who relocated to the United States after the war, indicated that any prototypes of the craft were destroyed, before flying as the Germans abandoned their facilities in the face of advancing Allied troops.

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Drones
Stories also persist that the Germans's also had developed small automatized flying discs. One version was called the Feuerball. Another, capable of vertical takeoff, was referred to as the Kugelblitz. According to stories, these craft were only armed with devices designed to interfere with the electronics of nearby airplanes.

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NorthernDawn
Sunday, October 17th, 2010, 03:10 PM
You can't just simply "contact"....supranatural entities who exist outside of even the aetheric plane. The Vril Society was a very advanced esoteric organization who dedicated many many decades to learning, and mastering a wide variety of ancient occultic spiritual exercises for the sole purpose of communicating with what they considered the progenitors of not only the "aryan" race....but the human species in general.... in the very own language of the "gods".....(ie- trance like channeling and spiritual initiation). These initiates lived and breathed the occult and esoteric......and what we know about them is but a teardrop in an ocean of lost knowledge. Unless you are prepared to dedicate the rest of your human existence solely to the pursuit of ancient esoteric initation, with an all knowing, and legitimate spiritual master...then I say spare yourself the delusion that somehow you will make "contact" with the aetheric entities of the aldebaran star system....ok?

Ostara
Friday, April 1st, 2011, 02:34 PM
This whole area of research is fascinating and Viktor Schauberger's work is well worth having a look into for anyone interested in the scientific and propulsion side of this topic.

The Vril are shrouded in mystery, but I have spent many, many years researching them and other Occultist groups. They are extremely interesting for a variety of reason, not least the idea that Vril power connects into the lost knowledge of the Knights Templar and the alleged existence of an energetic grid within the landscape that can somehow be activated or channelled by the right architecture/rituals in specific locations.

There is a a bit of information out there on Templar Mechanics and I personally feel that there is a vast array of lost knowledge, perhaps much of it being hidden by institutions like the Vatican, which could help mankind to evolve and be more akin to how I feel we should be in terms of longevity, extra sensory abilities, increased IQ etc. Of course equally it could all be a pile of nonsense, but it makes for interesting reading when there's nothing on the telly, lol. ;)

NordenWolf
Thursday, March 8th, 2012, 02:20 PM
maybe Nazi Ufo didn't exist bet some experiments like foofighters were carried on by American to develope the modern war planes

ohrdruf
Friday, March 9th, 2012, 02:26 PM
Ostara

A greater part of the knowledge to which you refer is hidden from us "in plain sight".

Recently I picked up a book on hypnotism published by an eminent practitioner in 1903, and in this one finds much to support what you suggest in your closing paragraph.

NAZI UFOs

As regards the remainder of this thread, the critical point overlooked by all is the matter of Nazi USOs (Unidentified Submarine Operations), far better proof for the existence of which exists than for the Haunebu Project or any of the other ideas. Through USOs the Third Reich in Exile will eventually achieve Endsieg.

U-boats which cannot be sunk will survive the Flood.

ohrdruf
Monday, March 12th, 2012, 03:55 PM
For the first trial of equipment in the last months of the war endowing U-boats with invulnerability, see my posting "The Miracle Weapon aboard U-boats 1945" posted today.

Tom Schnadelbach
Monday, March 12th, 2012, 04:56 PM
I like time travel stories. But I'm agnostic about this subject. If they had time travel, why did we lose the war? If we were tight with the space aliens, why did we lose the war?

ohrdruf
Tuesday, March 13th, 2012, 06:31 PM
Tom Schnadelbach

The situation as I understand it is that coexistent with us is a parallel world inhabited by the descendants of a supercivilization.

The danger presented to both worlds by the current human inhabitants renders it necessary to eliminate them all, and repopulate the world with an advanced clairvoyant humanity based on Nordic-Germanic stock.

The slogan "Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein Fhrer" expresses the idea underlying the New World. A single commonweath made up of one race, totally clairvoyant, in a world led by one absolute leader. Humanity cannot go forward from our current political and religious situation, and there may be no escape from it.

The purpose of the two wars was to transfer power from this world to the adjacent world. This was achieved by the 50 million human sacrifices occurring in the Second World War, and this was Hitler's mission. No greater burden ever rested on trhe shoulders of a world hero.

I suspect from the recent prophecies I have seen that the world population will be annihilated in a global catastrophe brought about by the science of the other civilization. This is due to occur within a few decades.

If you can get to mountainous country above 13,000 feet before it happens you may be one of the survivors who can convince the new race you are clairvoyant and Nazi. You may now understand the significance of my article on the invulnerable U-boats operating from islands off the world's maps.

Tom Schnadelbach
Tuesday, March 13th, 2012, 11:48 PM
Ohrdruf, thank you for the explanation. It is true that the way things are in this reality cannot go on for much longer, but I really don't think that THAT is a world where I would like to survive into. One world one nordic-germanic race one absolute leader yes, yesterday if not sooner, but somehow you are making it sound unattractive. Not your fault, I realize. You are simply answering my question.

SaxonPagan
Thursday, March 22nd, 2012, 01:25 AM
The situation as I understand it is that coexistent with us is a parallel world inhabited by the descendants of a supercivilization.

The danger presented to both worlds by the current human inhabitants renders it necessary to eliminate them all, and repopulate the world with an advanced clairvoyant humanity based on Nordic-Germanic stock.

The slogan "Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein Fhrer" expresses the idea underlying the New World. A single commonweath made up of one race, totally clairvoyant, in a world led by one absolute leader. Humanity cannot go forward from our current political and religious situation, and there may be no escape from it.

The purpose of the two wars was to transfer power from this world to the adjacent world. This was achieved by the 50 million human sacrifices occurring in the Second World War, and this was Hitler's mission. No greater burden ever rested on trhe shoulders of a world hero.

I suspect from the recent prophecies I have seen that the world population will be annihilated in a global catastrophe brought about by the science of the other civilization. This is due to occur within a few decades.

If you can get to mountainous country above 13,000 feet before it happens you may be one of the survivors who can convince the new race you are clairvoyant and Nazi. You may now understand the significance of my article on the invulnerable U-boats operating from islands off the world's maps.

Well, ohrdruf, I respect your knowledge on such matters and always read your posts with great interest.

However, even whilst trying to keep an open mind, I have to say that this all seems highly implausible to me :(

ohrdruf
Tuesday, March 27th, 2012, 03:25 PM
Godwinson

There are two prophecies from the 20th century which coincide as to the date when an advanced race will come to the surface of the Earth to take over. That date is within twenty years. We know the date.

The date is preceded by the Apocalypse in the years between then and now. We do not have any indication as to when the Apocalypse will occur. Both prophecies state that the Apocalypse event will destroy civilisation by Fire. The ruination of modern civilisation will facilitate the takeover.

Genuine prophecies change in form to fit the changing circumstances on Earth.

Whereas the original part of the 2nd prophecy stated that the Apocalypse would be by a Flood greater than ever before (the waters at Tiahuanacu in the previous Great Flood reached 13,000 feet), this was changed in 1973 to Fire and confirmed in a statement by Pope John Paul II in 1981.

Thus these are not natural events, there is active planning behind it all.

Godwinson, if you want to know more come to me by PM or E-mail and I will explain further.

Bittereinder
Tuesday, April 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM
The Vril Society


We have now reached the point in our survey of Nazi involvement with the occult where we must depart from what is historically verifiable and enter an altogether more obscure and murky realm, a place that Pauwels and Bergier call the 'Absolute Elsewhere'. (1)



Serious historians (at least, those who deign to comment on the subject at all) regard the material we shall be examining for the rest of this book with contempt - and, it must be said, not without good reason. Much of what follows may well strike the reader as bizarre and absurd in equal measure; and yet, as we shall see, amongst the notions we are about to address (products, apparently, of fevered imaginations) will be found unsettling hints of a thread running through the collective mind of humanity in the late twentieth century - ominous, dangerous and, by the majority, unseen.

As we shall see, the 'twilight zone between fact and fiction' can produce significant shifts in our collective awareness of the world, our place in it and the unstated intentions of those who rule us. The world view of those who subscribe to the idea of genuine Nazi occult power includes a number of outrageous conspiracy theories that revolve around the claim that many leading Nazis (including, according to some, Hitler himself) escaped from the ruins of Berlin and continue with their plans for world domination from some hidden headquarters.



At first sight, these theories can surely have little to do with known reality. And yet, the idea that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) could have smuggled many personnel from Nazi intelligence and the German secret weapons program into the United States in the post-war years might likewise seem outlandish - until we remember that this, too, is a documented historical fact. Project PAPERCLIP proves that some senior elements of the Third Reich did indeed survive in this way, their lives bought with scientific and military knowledge that the American government desperately wanted.

So, for the rest of this book, we shall concentrate on the elements of Nazi occultism that find no home in orthodox history but that nevertheless stretch their pernicious tentacles through modern popular and fringe culture and refuse to vanish in the glare of the light of reason.



The Vril Society, our departure point into the Absolute Elsewhere, might seem to have been better placed in the first chapter, were it not that there is so little evidence for its influence over the activities of the Third Reich. In spite of this, it has come to occupy a central position in the dubious study of Nazi occult power and so demands a chapter of its own.



But what was the strangely named Vril Society?

The first hint of the Vril Society's existence was discovered in a scene that would not have been out of place in one of Dennis Wheatley's occult thrillers.



On 25 April 1945, so the story goes, a group of battle-weary Russian soldiers were making their cautious way through the shattered remnants of Berlin, mopping up the isolated pockets of German resistance that remained in the heart of the Third Reich. The soldiers moved carefully from one wrecked building to another, in a state of constant readiness against the threat of ambush.

In a ground-floor room of one blasted building, the soldiers made a surprising discovery. Lying in a circle on the floor were the bodies of six men, with a seventh corpse in the centre. All were dressed in German military uniforms, and the dead man in the centre of the group was wearing a pair of bright green gloves. The Russians' assumption that the bodies were those of soldiers was quickly dispelled when they realized that the dead men were all Orientals. One of the Russians, who was from Mongolia, identified the men as Tibetans. It was also evident to the Russian soldiers that the men had not died in battle but seemed to have committed suicide.



Over the following week, hundreds more Tibetans were discovered in Berlin: some of them had clearly died in battle, while others had committed ritual suicide, like the ones discovered by the Russian unit. (2)

What were Tibetans doing in Nazi Germany towards the end of the Second World War?



The answer to this question may be found in a curious novel entitled The Coming Race by Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873), first Baron Lytton. A prolific and very successful writer (his output included novels, plays, essays and poetry) Bulwer-Lytton was considered in his lifetime to be one of the greatest writers in the English language.



Unfortunately, his reputation for vanity, ostentation and eccentricity attracted a good deal of hostility from the press and this has damaged his subsequent literary reputation to a disproportionate extent, with the result that today his books are extremely hard to find and his work is seldom - if at all - taught in universities in the English-speaking world. (3)

Throughout his career, Bulwer-Lytton wrote on many themes, including romance, politics, history, social satire, melodrama and the occult. It is perhaps unsurprising, therefore, that he should have turned to the subject of Utopian science fiction with The Coming Race, published in 1871. In this novel, the narrator, a traveler and adventurer of independent means, explores a mine in an unnamed location and discovers a vast subterranean world, inhabited by a superior race of humans called the Vril-ya.



Once tenants of the Earth's outer surface, the Vril-ya were forced to retreat underground by a natural catastrophe similar to the biblical Flood many thousands of years ago. Their technology is far in advance of anything to be found in the world of ordinary humanity, and is based on the application of a force known as 'vril'. Befriended by a young female Vril-ya named Zee, the narrator asks about the nature of the vril force.

Therewith Zee began to enter into an explanation of which I understood very little, for there is no word in any language I know which is an exact synonym for vril. I should call it electricity, except that it comprehends in its manifold branches other forces of nature, to which, in our scientific nomenclature, differing names are assigned, such as magnetism, galvanism, &c.



These people consider that in vril they have arrived at the unity in natural energetic agencies, which has been conjectured by many philosophers above ground, and which Faraday thus intimates under the more cautious term of correlation:

'I have long held an opinion,' says that illustrious experimentalist, 'almost amounting to a conviction, in common, I believe, with many other lovers of natural knowledge, that the various forms under which the forces of matter are made manifest have one common origin; or, in other words, are so directly related and mutually dependent, that they are convertible, as it were, into one another, and possess equivalents of power in their action.' (4)

According to Zee, all Vril-ya are trained in the application of vril, which can be used to control the physical world, including the minds and bodies of others, as well as to enhance the telepathic and telekinetic potentials of the human mind. The vril force is most often applied through the use of a device known as the Vril Staff which, like the vril force itself, requires many years to master.



(The narrator is not allowed to hold one, 'for fear of some terrible accident occasioned by my ignorance of its use'.)



The Vril Staff,

'is hollow, and has in the handle several stops, keys, or springs by which its force can be altered, modified, or directed - so that by one process it destroys, by another it heals - by one it can rend the rock, by another disperse the vapor - by one it affects bodies, by another it can exercise a certain influence over minds'. (5)

During his protracted stay in the subterranean realm, the narrator learns of the system of government by which the Vril-ya live. They are ruled by a single supreme magistrate who abdicates the position at the first sign of advancing age.

Although their society is entirely free of crime or strife of any kind, they consider strength and force to be among the finest virtues, and the triumph of the strong over the weak to be in perfect accordance with Nature. Democracy and free institutions are, to them, merely the crude experiments of an immature culture.

The government of the tribe of Vril-ya ... was apparently very complicated, really very simple. It was based upon a principle recognized in theory, though little carried out in practice, above ground - viz., that the object of all systems of philosophical thought tends to the attainment of unity, or the ascent through all intervening labyrinths to the simplicity of a single first cause or principle.



Thus in politics, even republican writers have agreed that a benevolent autocracy would insure the best administration, if there were any guarantees for its continuance, or against its gradual abuse of the powers accorded to it. There was ... in this society nothing to induce any of its members to covet the cares of office. No honors, no insignia of higher rank were assigned to it. The supreme magistrate was not distinguished from the rest by superior habitation or revenue.



On the other hand, the duties awarded to him were marvelously light and easy, requiring no preponderant degree of energy or intelligence. (6)

After a number of adventures in the subterranean world - and a great many conversations with its denizens - the narrator comes to the following conclusion regarding the ultimate origins of the fantastic Vril-ya race:

[T]his people - though originally not only of our human race, but, as seems to me clear by the roots of their language, descended from the same ancestors as the great Aryan family, from which in varied streams has flowed the dominant civilization of the world; and having, according to their myths and their history, passed through phases of society familiar to ourselves, - had yet now developed into a distinct species with which it was impossible that any community in the upper world could amalgamate: And that if they ever emerged from these nether recesses into the light of day, they would, according to their own traditional persuasions of their ultimate destiny, destroy and replace our existent varieties of man. (7)

Although greatly impressed with the knowledge and accomplishments of the Vril-ya, the narrator is nevertheless terrified by their power and the ease with which they wield it, implying at one point that, should he have angered them at any time, they would have had no compunction in turning their Vril Staffs on him and reducing him to cinders.



This uneasiness, coupled with his natural desire to return to the upper world and the life with which he is familiar, prompts the narrator to begin seeking a means of escape from the subterranean world of the Vril-ya. Aid comes in the unlikely form of Zee, who has fallen in love with him and has attempted to persuade him to stay, but who nevertheless understands that an unrequited love cannot result in happiness for either of them. It is she who leads him back to the mine shaft through which he first entered the realm of the Vrilya.

Upon his return home, the narrator begins to ponder the wonders he has beheld far below the surface of the Earth, and once again hints at the possible dreadful fate awaiting a blissfully unaware humanity at the hands of the 'Coming Race'.



In the final chapter, we read:

[T]he more I think of a people calmly developing, in regions excluded from our sight and deemed uninhabitable by our sages, powers surpassing our most disciplined modes offeree, and virtues to which our life, social and political, becomes antagonistic in proportion as our civilization advances, - the more devoutly I pray that ages may yet elapse before there emerge into sunlight our inevitable destroyers. (8)

It is an assumption of many occultists that The Coming Race is fact disguised as fiction: that Bulwer-Lytton based his engaging novel on a genuine body of esoteric knowledge. He was greatly interested in the Rosicrucians, the powerful occult society which arose in the sixteenth century and which claimed to possess ancient wisdom, discovered in a secret underground chamber, regarding the ultimate secrets of the Universe.



There is some evidence that Bulwer-Lytton believed in the possibility of a subterranean world, for he wrote to his friend Hargrave Jennings in 1854:

'So Rosenkreuz [the founder of the Rosicrucians] found his wisdom in a secret chamber. So will we all. There is much to be learned from the substrata of our planet.' (9)

Some writers, including Alec Maclellan, author of the fascinating book The Lost World of Agharti (1996), have suggested that The Coming Race revealed too much of the subterranean world, and was as a result suppressed in the years following Bulwer-Lytton's death in 1873. Indeed, he describes the book as 'one of the hardest to find of all books of mysticism', (10) and informs us of his own search for a copy, which for some years met with no success.



While doubtless an intriguing piece of stage-setting on Maclellan's part, the rarity of the book can surely be accounted for by the unjust waning of Bulwer-Lytton's posthumous literary reputation (mentioned earlier). The present author searched for some months for a copy of The Coming Race, before finding an extremely affordable paperback edition in a high-street bookshop.

What is the connection between Bulwer-Lytton's strange novel and Nazi Germany?

If there really was a large colony of Tibetan monks in Berlin in the 1940s, what were they doing there?

It seems that the connection was none other than the Bavarian Karl Haushofer (1869-1946) whose theories of Geopolitics gave rise to the concept of Lebensraum (living space), which Hitler maintained would be necessary to the continued dominance of the superior Aryan race and which he intended to take, primarily, from the Soviet Union.



Haushofer, along with Dietrich Eckart (1868-1923) - an anti-Semitic journalist and playwright who influenced Hitler's racial attitudes and introduced him to influential social circles after the First World War - is frequently described by believers in genuine Nazi occult power as a practicing black magician, and the 'Master Magician of the Nazi Party'. (11)

Haushofer excelled at Munich University, where he began to develop his lifelong interest in the Far East. After leaving university, he entered the German army, where his great intelligence ensured a rapid rise through the ranks. His knowledge of the Far East earned him a posting as military attach in Japan.



The idea that Haushofer was an occult adept, with secret knowledge of powerful trans-human entities, was first suggested by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier in their fascinating but historically unreliable book The Morning of the Magicians (which served as the model for a number of subsequent treatments of Nazi occultism in the 1960s and early 1970s).

According to Pauwels and Bergier:

[Haushofer] believed that the German people originated in Central Asia, and that it was the Indo-Germanic race which guaranteed the permanence, nobility and greatness of the world. While in Japan, Haushofer is said to have been initiated into one of the most important secret Buddhist societies and to have sworn, if he failed in his 'mission', to commit suicide in accordance with the time-honored ceremonial. (12)

Haushofer was also apparently a firm believer in the legend of Thule, the lost Aryan homeland in the far north, which had once been the centre of an advanced civilization possessed of magical powers.



Connecting this legend with the Thule Society, Pauwels and Bergier have this to say:

Beings intermediate between Man and other intelligent beings from Beyond would place at the disposal of the [Thule Society] Initiates a reservoir of forces which could be drawn on to enable Germany to dominate the world again and be the cradle of the coming race of Supermen which would result from the mutations of the human species.

One day her legions would set out to annihilate everything that had stood in the way of the spiritual destiny of the Earth, and their leaders would be men who knew everything, deriving their strength from the very fountain-head of energy and guided by the Great Ones of the Ancient World ... It would seem that it was under the influence of Karl Haushofer that [the Thule Society] took on its true character of a society of Initiates in communion with the Invisible, and became the magic centre of the Nazi movement. (13)

Serious historians such as Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke take issue with the claims of Pauwels and Bergier and the later writers who reiterated them. Goodrick-Clarke, who has perhaps conducted more research into primary German sources than any other writer in this curious field, states that the claims regarding the secret guiding power of the Thule Society are 'entirely fallacious.



The Thule Society was dissolved in 1925 when support had dwindled.

'He goes on to assure us that 'there is no evidence at all to link Haushofer to the group.' (14)

Nevertheless, Haushofer's alleged skill in the Black Arts has become an important link in the Nazi occult chain as described by writers on such fringe subjects.

After the end of the First World War, Haushofer returned to Munich, where he gained a doctorate from the university. He divided his time between teaching and writing and founded the Geopolitical Review in which he published his ideas on Lebensraum, which could 'both justify territorial conquest by evoking the colonizing of Slav lands by Teutonic knights in the Middle Ages and, emotively, conjure up notions of uniting in the Reich what came to be described as Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans) scattered throughout eastern Europe'. (15)

While incarcerated in the fortress of Landsberg am Lech following the failure of the Munich Putsch in 1924, Adolf Hitler read and was influenced by Haushofer's books on geopolitics (he had already been introduced to Haushofer by the professor's student assistant, Rudolf Hess). There is no doubt that Hitler occupied his time in Landsberg judiciously, reading widely in several fields, though not for the sake of education so much as to confirm and clarify his own preconceptions. (He later said that Landsberg was his 'university paid for by the state'). (16)

According to Pauwels and Bergier and other fringe writers, Haushofer visited Hitler every day in Landsberg, where he explained his geopolitical theories and described his travels through India in the early years of the century.



While in India, he had heard stories of a powerful civilization living beneath the Himalayas:

Thirty or forty centuries ago in the region of Gobi there was a highly developed civilization. As the result of a catastrophe, possibly of an atomic nature, Gobi was transformed into a desert, and the survivors emigrated, some going to the extreme North of Europe, and others towards the Caucasus. The Scandinavian god Thor is supposed to have been one of the heroes of this migration.



... Haushofer proclaimed the necessity of 'a return to the sources' of the human race - in other words, that it was necessary to conquer the whole of Eastern Europe, Turkestan, Pamir, Gobi and Thibet. These countries constituted, in his opinion, the central core, and whoever had control of them controlled the whole world. (17)

After the cataclysm that destroyed the Gobi civilization, the survivors migrated to a vast cavern system beneath the Himalayas where they split into two groups, one of which followed the path of spirituality, enlightenment and meditation while the other followed the path of violence and materialistic power. The first of these centers was called Agartha, the other Shambhala. (These names have many different spellings: for Agartha, I use the simplest; for Shambhala, the spelling favored by Orientalists.)



We shall return for a closer look to the realms of Agartha and Shambhala in the next chapter.

According to Alec Maclellan, among the many books Hitler read while languishing in Landsberg was Bulwer-Lytton's The Coming Race, which, Haushofer informed him, was an essentially correct description of the race of Supermen living far beneath the surface of the Earth and corroborated much of what the professor had himself learned while travelling in Asia.



Bulwer-Lytton's novel apparently galvanized Hitler's imagination, and he,

'began to yearn for the day when he might establish for himself the actuality of the secret civilization beneath the snows of Tibet ...' (18)

In the following year, 1925, the Vril Society (also known as the Luminous Lodge) was formed by a group of Berlin Rosicrucians including Karl Haushofer.



As Joscelyn Godwin informs us, there is only one primary source of information on the Vril Society: Willy Ley, a German rocket engineer who fled to the United States in 1933 and followed a successful career writing popular science books. In 1947, Ley published an article entitled 'Pseudoscience in Naziland'.



Following a description of Ariosophy, Ley writes:

The next group was literally founded upon a novel. That group which I think called itself Wahrheitsgesellschaft -Society for Truth - and which was more or less localized in Berlin, devoted its spare time looking for Vril. Yes, their convictions were founded upon BulwerLytton's 'The Coming Race'. They knew that the book was fiction, Bulwer-Lytton had used that device in order to be able to tell the truth about this 'power'. The subterranean humanity was nonsense, Vril was not.



Possibly it had enabled the British, who kept it as a State secret, to amass their colonial empire. Surely the Romans had had it, inclosed [sic] in small metal balls, which guarded their homes and were referred to as lares. For reasons which I failed to penetrate, the secret of Vril could be found by contemplating the structure of an apple, sliced in halves. No, I am not joking, that is what I was told with great solemnity and secrecy. Such a group actually existed, they even got out the first issue of a magazine which was to proclaim their credo. (19)

Although they apparently interviewed Ley, Pauwels and Bergier could learn nothing more from him about this mysterious society; however, they later discovered that the group actually called itself the Vril Society, and that Karl Haushofer was intimately connected with it. (Joscelyn Godwin kindly reminds us of the unreliability of the splendid Pauwels and Bergier: although they cite Jack Fishman's The Seven Men of Spandau with regard to Haushofer's connection to the Vril Society, Fishman actually makes no such reference.) (20)

Pauwels and Bergier go on to inform us that, having failed in his mission, Haushofer committed suicide on 14 March 1946, in accordance with his pledge to his masters in the secret Japanese society into which he had been initiated. Once again, the truth is somewhat different: Haushofer did not commit ham kin but died from arsenic poisoning on 10 March.



In addition, Ley's reference to 'contemplating the structure of an apple, sliced in halves' (thus revealing the five-pointed star at its centre) echoes Rudolf Steiner's suggestion in Knowledge of Higher Worlds and Its Attainment. Indeed, as Godwin reminds us, (21) the Theosophists were themselves interested in the concept of the vril force, which bears some resemblance to Reichenbach's Odic force, and to the Astral Light, also known as the Akashic Records: a subtle form of energy said to surround the Earth, in which is preserved a record of every thought and action that has ever occurred.

In spite of the sober research of writers like Goodrick-Clarke and Godwin, the idea of an immensely sinister and powerful Vril Society secretly controlling the Third Reich has lost nothing of its ability to fascinate. Many still maintain that Haushofer introduced Hitler to the leader of the group of Tibetan high lamas living in Berlin, a man known only as 'The Man with the Green Gloves', and that this man knew the locations of the hidden entrances to the subterranean realms of Agartha and Shambhala. (22)

These rumors doubtless gave rise to the famous legends about Hitler's obsessive search for the entrances to the inner world.



According to Maclellan:

'The first expeditions were dispatched purely under the auspices of the Luminous Lodge, beginning in 1926, but later, after coming to power, Hitler took a more direct interest, overseeing the organization of the searches himself.' (23)

Maclellan also states that Hitler believed unequivocally that 'certain representatives of the underground super-race were already abroad in the world', (24) citing Hermann Rauschning's famous book Hitler Speaks - A Senes of Political Conversations with Adolf Hitler on his Real Aims (1939). The conversations recorded by Rauschning have served as source material for many writers on the Third Reich, including serious ones.



Proponents of genuine Nazi occult power have repeatedly pointed to the mystical elements in Hitler's conversations as relayed by Rauschning, who says that he repeatedly had the feeling that Hitler was a medium, possessed of supernatural powers. It seems that on one occasion, Hitler actually met one of the subterranean Supermen.



Rauschning claims that Hitler confided to him:

The new man is among us. He is here! Now are you satisfied? I will tell you a secret. I have seen the vision of the new man - fearless and formidable. I shrank from him.' (25)

To his credit, Maclellan states that this was more than likely a deranged fantasy on Hitler's part. However, Rauschning's very description should be treated with extreme caution: it should be noted that, in spite of the widespread interest it stimulated, Hitler Speaks has not stood the test of time as an accurate historical document.



In fact, Ian Kershaw, one of the foremost authorities on Hitler and the author of Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris (1998), does not cite Rauschning's book anywhere in his monumental study, and states that it is 'a work now regarded to have so little authenticity that it is best to disregard it altogether'. (26)

As the story goes, Hitler ordered a number of expeditions into German, Swiss and Italian mines to search for the entrances to the cavern cities of the Supermen. He is even said to have ordered research to be conducted into the life of Bulwer-Lytton, in an effort to determine whether the author himself had visited the realm of the Vril-ya. While serious writers ignore these rumors, there is an interesting event on record that Maclellan quotes in his The Lost World of Agharti and that illustrates the frustrating nature of the 'twilight zone between fact and fiction' in which we find ourselves when discussing Nazi occultism.

Maclellan cites the testimony of one Antonin Horak, an expert speleologist and member of the Slovak Uprising, who accidentally discovered a strange tunnel in Czechoslovakia in October 1944.



Dr Horak kept quiet about the discovery until 1965, when he published an account in the National Speleological Society News. In his article, Dr Horak stated that he and two other Resistance fighters found the tunnel near the villages of Plavince and Lubocna (he is quite specific about the location: 49.2 degrees north, 20.7 degrees east). Having just survived a skirmish with the Germans, the three men (one of whom was badly injured) asked a local peasant for help.



He led them to an underground grotto where they could hide and rest.



The peasant told the Resistance men that the cave contained pits, pockets of poison gas, and was also haunted, and warned them against venturing too far inside. This they had no intention of doing, such was their weariness. They attended to the wounds of their comrade and fell asleep.

The following day, Horak's curiosity got the better of him and, while he waited for the injured man to recover enough strength to travel again, he decided to do a little exploring inside the cave.



Presently, he came to a section that was completely different from the rest of the cave.

'Lighting some torches, I saw that I was in a spacious, curved, black shaft formed by cliff-like walls. The floor in the incline was a solid lime pavement.' (27)

The tunnel stretched interminably into the distance. Dr Horak decided to take a sample of the wall, but was unable to make any impression with his pickaxe. He took his pistol and fired at the wall (surely an unwise thing to do, given the risk of a ricochet and with German soldiers possibly still in the vicinity).

'The bullet slammed into the substance of the walls with a deafening, fiery impact,' he wrote. 'Sparks flashed, there was a roaring sound, but not so much as a splinter fell from the substance. Only a small welt appeared, about the length of half my finger, which gave off a pungent smell.'

Dr Horak then returned to his comrades and told them about the apparently man-made tunnel.

'I sat there by the fire speculating. How far did it reach into the rocks? I wondered. Who, or what, put it into the mountain? Was it man-made? And was it at last proof of the truth in legends - like Plato's - of long-lost civilizations with magic technologies which our rationale cannot grasp or believe?' (28)

No one else, apparently, has explored this tunnel since Dr Horak in 1944. The peasants who lived in the region obviously knew of its existence, but kept well away.

In addition to the stories of Nazi mine expeditions in Central and Eastern Europe during the Second World War, occult writers have frequently made reference to the Nazi Tibet Expeditions, allegedly an attempt to locate and make contact with a group of high lamas with access to fantastic power. Once again, Pauwels and Bergier have plenty to say on this subject, which is in itself enough to give pause to the cautious.

The American researcher Peter Levenda experienced a similar skepticism with regard to the supposed Nazi-Tibet connection, until he began to search for references in the microfilmed records in the Captured German Documents Section of the National Archives in Washington, DC. He discovered a wealth of material, running to many hundreds of pages, dealing with the work of Dr Ernst Schafer of the Ahnenerbe.



These documents included Dr Schafer's personal notebooks, his correspondence, clippings from several German newspapers, and his SS file, which describes an expedition to East and Central Tibet from 1934-1936, and the official SS-Tibet Expedition of 1938-1939 under his leadership. (29)

As Levenda demonstrates, the expedition was not so much concerned with contacting Tibetan representatives of the subterranean super-race as with cataloguing the flora and fauna of the region (an activity of little military value to the Third Reich, which accounts for the difficulty Schafer occasionally had in securing funding for his trips).

Born in Cologne on 14 March 1910 into a wealthy industrialist family, Ernst Schafer attended school in Heidelberg and Gottingen, and embarked on his first expedition to Tibet in 1930 under the auspices of the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia when he was only twenty years old. The following year, he joined the American Brooke Dolan expedition to Siberia, China and Tibet. He became a member of the SS in mid 1933, finally reaching the rank of Sturmbannfuhrer in 1942.



In addition to being an SS officer, Schafer was also a respected scientist who published papers in various journals, such as the Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences, Philadelphia. As Levenda wryly notes, Schafer was 'a man of many parts: one part SS officer and one part scholar, one part explorer and one part scientist: a Nazi Indiana Jones'. (30)



Schafer was also deeply interested in the religious and cultural practices of the Tibetans, including their sexuality. (Indeed, the members of the 1938-1939 expedition displayed a somewhat prurient fascination with intimate practices: the film-maker Ernst Krause, for instance, took great care to record his observation of a fifteen-year-old Lanchung girl masturbating on a bridge beam.) (31)

When not cataloguing flora and fauna (and spying on teenage girls), the members of the expedition managed to conduct other research, which included an exhaustive study of the physical attributes of the Tibetan people. Schafer noted height and weight, the shape of hands and feet, the color and shape of eyes, and even took plaster casts of Tibetans' faces.



On 21 July 1939, Der Neue Tag published the following article:

SACRED TIBETAN SCRIPTURE ACQUIRED BY THE DR SCHAFER-EXPEDITION ON NINE ANIMAL LOADS ACROSS THE HIGH-COUNTRY
(SPECIAL) FRANKFURT

20 JULY



The Tibet Expedition of Dr Ernst Schafer, which during its expedition through Tibet stayed a long time in Lhasa and in the capital of the Panchen Lama, Shigatse, is presently on its return trip to Germany. Since the monsoons began unusually early, the return march of the expedition was hastened in order to secure the shipment of the precious collections. The expedition has singularly valuable scientific research results to inventory. In addition to outstanding accomplishments in the areas of geophysical and earth-magnetic research they succeeded in obtaining an extra-rich ethnological collection including, along with cult objects, many articles and tools of daily life.

With the help of the regent of Lhasa it was Dr Schafer who also succeeded in obtaining the Kangschur, the extensive, 108-volume sacred script of the Tibetans, which required nine animal loads to transport. Also especially extensive are the zoological and botanical collections that the expedition has already shipped, in part, to Germany, the remainder of which they will bring themselves. The zoological collection includes the total bird-fauna of the research area.



Dr Schafer was also able, for the first time, to bag a Schapi, a hitherto unknown wild goat. About 50 live animals are on the way to Germany, while numerous other live animals are still with the expedition. An extensive herbarium of all existing plants is also on its way. Furthermore, valuable geographical and earth-historical accomplishments were made.



Difficulties encountered due to political tensions with the English authorities were eliminated due to personal contact between Dr Schafer and members of the British authorities in Shangtse, so that the unimpeded return of the expedition out of Tibet with its valuable collections was guaranteed. (32)

Levenda informs us that he was unable to discover the fate of the Kangschur, the 'core document' of Tibetan Buddhism, although he suspects that it was taken to Vienna.



With regard to the expedition itself, while it must be conceded that it had very little to do with the occult or magical ambitions of the Third Reich, it is possible that the 'earth-magnetic' and 'geophysical' experiments had a firm foundation in a very shaky theory.



Levenda suggests that the Tibet Expedition of 1938-1939 attempted to prove the pseudo-scientific World Ice Theory of Hans Horbiger. This bizarre theory will be discussed in detail in Chapter Seven. But for now, let us return to the concept embodied in the rumors about the Vril Society, with its alleged attempts to contact (and enlist the aid of) a mysterious group of vastly powerful Eastern adepts.



To examine the origins of this idea, we must ourselves embark on a journey to Tibet, known in some quarters as 'the Phantom Kingdom'.

The phantom kingdom

The Nazi-Tibet Connection
At first sight, it might seem strange in the extreme that the architects of the Third Reich would be interested in a region that many consider to be the spiritual centre of the world; until, that is, we remember that, according to Thulean mythology, this centre was once the Aryan homeland in the Arctic, and was displaced with the fall of Atlantis around 10,800 BC (see Chapter Two).



Since then, the spiritual centre, while remaining hidden from the vast majority of humanity who are unworthy of its secrets, has nevertheless been the primary force controlling the destiny of the planet. (1) The two hidden realms of Agartha and Shambhala constitute the double source of supernatural power emanating from Tibet, and have come to occupy an important place in twentieth-century occultism and fringe science.

Before we address the Third Reich's alleged interest in Agartha and Shambhala, it is essential that we pause for a (necessarily brief) examination of the role of Shambhala in Tibetan mysticism.



In this way, we may chart the course of its warping and degradation as it was fitted into the Nazi scheme of crypto-history.



The Land of the Immortals
The writer Andrew Tomas spent many years studying the myths and legends of the Far East, and his book Shambhala: Oasis of Light is an eloquent argument in favor of the realm's actual existence. In the book, Tomas cites the ancient writings of China, which refer to Nu and Kua, the 'Asiatic prototypes of Adam and Eve' and their birthplace in the Kun Lun Mountains of Central Asia.



It is something of a mystery-why such a desolate, forbidding place should serve as the Chinese Garden of Eden rather than more hospitable regions such as the Yangtze Valley or the province of Shantung, and Tomas speculates that the Gobi Desert may at one time have been an inland sea with accompanying fertile land. (2)



As we shall see later in this chapter, the Gobi is a prime candidate as a site for one of the ancient and unknown civilizing cultures whose wisdom has been passed down through the ages.

The Kun Lun Mountains hold a very important place in Chinese mythology, since it is in this range that the Immortals are believed to live, ruled by Hsi Wang Mu, the Queen Mother of the West. Hsi Wang Mu, who is also called Kuan Yin, the goddess of mercy, is said to live in a nine-storeyed palace of jade. Surrounding this palace is a vast garden in which grows the Peach Tree of Immortality. Only the most wise and virtuous of human beings are permitted to visit the garden and eat the fruit, which appears only once every 6,000 years. (3)



The Immortals who aid Hsi Wang Mu in her attempts to guide humanity towards wisdom and compassion possess perfect, ageless bodies, and are said to be able to travel anywhere in the Universe, and to live on the planets of other star systems. As Tomas notes, whether the ancient Chinese believed that the Immortals could travel in space in their physical bodies or by projecting their minds, this is still a remarkable concept to entertain, since it is based on an acceptance of the plurality of inhabited worlds in the Cosmos.

Ancient Chinese texts are replete with legends regarding the attempts of many people to cross the Gobi Desert to the Kun Lun Mountains. The most famous of these searchers is surely the great philosopher Lao Tzu (c. 6th century BC), author of the book of Taoist teaching Tao Te Ching, who is said to have made the journey across the Gobi towards the end of his life.



The Vatican archives also contain many reports made by Catholic missionaries concerning deputations from the emperors of China to the spiritual beings living in the mountains. These beings possess bodies that are visible, but which are not made of flesh and blood: they are the 'mind-born' gods whose bodies are composed of elementary atomic matter, which allow them to live anywhere in the Universe, even at the centers of stars.

The people of India also believe in a place of wisdom and spiritual perfection; they call it Kalapa or Katapa, and it is said to lie in a region north of the Himalayas, in Tibet. According to Indian tradition, the Gobi Desert is the floor of what was once a great sea, which contained an island called Sweta-Dvipa (White Island). The great Yogis who once lived there are believed to live still in the high mountains and deep valleys that once formed the island of Sweta-Dvipa. This island has been identified by Orientalists with the Isle of Shambhala of Puranic literature, which is said to stand at the centre of a lake of nectar.

In the seventeenth century, two Jesuit missionaries, Stephen Cacella and John Cabral, recorded the existence of Chang Shambhala, as described to them by the lamas of Shigatse, where Cacella lived for 23 years until his death in 1650. (Chang Shambhala means Northern Shambhala, which differentiates the abode of the spiritual adepts from the town called Shamballa, north of Benares, India.) (4)



Nearly 200 years later, a Hungarian philologist named Csoma de Koros, who lived for four years from 1827-30 in a Buddhist monastery in Tibet, claimed that Chang Shambhala lay between 45 and 50 north latitude, beyond the river Syr Daria. (5)

Legends of a hidden spiritual centre, a sacred zone whose inhabitants secretly guide the evolution of life on Earth, are widespread in the ancient cultures of the East.



The writer Victoria Le Page describes this wondrous realm thus:

... [S]omewhere beyond Tibet, among the icy peaks and secluded valleys of Central Asia, there lies an inaccessible paradise, a place of universal wisdom and ineffable peace called Shambhala ... It is inhabited by adepts from every race and culture who form an inner circle of humanity secretly guiding its evolution. In that place, so the legends say, sages have existed since the beginning of human history in a valley of supreme beatitude that is sheltered from the icy arctic winds and where the climate is always warm and temperate, the sun always shines, the gentle airs are always beneficient and nature flowers luxuriantly. (6)

Only the purest of heart are allowed to find this place (others, less idealistically motivated, who search for it risk an icy grave) where want, evil, violence and injustice do not exist. The inhabitants possess both supernatural powers and a highly advanced technology; their bodies are perfect, and they devote their time to the study of the arts and sciences. The concept of the hidden spiritual centre of the world is to be found in Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, shamanism and other ancient traditions. In the Bon religion of pre-Buddhist Tibet, Shambhala is also called 'Olmolungring' and 'Dejong'. In Tibetan Buddhism, the Shambhalic tradition is enshrined within the Kalachakra texts, which are said to have been taught to the King of Shambhala by the Buddha before being returned to India. (7)

As might be expected with such a marvelous, legend-haunted place, there has been a great deal of speculation as to the exact whereabouts of Shambhala. (It is unlikely to be found at Koros's map coordinates.)



While some esotericists believe that Shambhala is a real place with a concrete, physical presence in a secret location on Earth, others prefer to see it as existing on a higher spiritual plane, what might be called another dimension of space-time coterminous with our own. Alternatively, Shambhala might be considered as a state of mind, comparable to the terms in which some consider the Holy Grail. As with the Grail, Shambhala maybe a state within ourselves, in which we may gain an insight into the higher spirituality inherent in the Universe, as distinct from the mundane world of base matter in which we normally exist.

Having said this, it should be noted that there are certain cases on record in which Westerners have experienced visions of a place bearing a striking resemblance to the fabled Shambhala.



Victoria Le Page cites a particularly intriguing case in her book Shambhala: The Fascinating Truth Behind the Myth of Shangri-la.



The case was investigated by a Dr Raynor Johnson who, in the 1960s, gathered together several hundred first-hand accounts of mystical experiences. It involved a young Australian woman who claimed to have psychic abilities, and who was referred to simply as L.C.W.

L.C.W. wrote that at the age of 21 she began to attend a place she came to know as 'Night-School'. At night she would fly in her sleep to this place, the location of which she had no idea. Once there she would join other people in dance exercises which she later recognized as being similar to the dervish exercises taught by George Gurdjieff.



After several years, she graduated to a different class, where she was taught spiritual lessons from a great book of wisdom. It was only years later, when L.C.W. began to take an interest in mystical literature, that she realized the true location of Night-School must have been Shambhala.


L.C.W. had other visions in which she saw what appeared to be a gigantic mast or antenna, extending from Earth deep into interstellar space. The base of this antenna was in the Pamirs or Tien Shan Mountains, regions which are traditionally associated with Shambhala.



She was taken towards this antenna by an invisible guide, and saw that it was a pillar of energy whose branches were actually paths leading to other worlds, marked by geometrical figures such as circles, triangles and squares.

According to L.C.W., this 'antenna' was nothing less than a gateway to other times, other dimensions and other regions of this Universe.



In addition to the antenna serving as a gateway for souls from Earth to travel to other times and places,

'she believed souls from other systems in space could enter the earth sphere by the same route, carrying their own spiritual influences with them'. (8)

L.C.W. also maintained that the antenna could be controlled directly by the mind of the voyager, and would extend a branch or 'pseudopod' in response to a single thought. This branch then became a 'trajectory of light' along which the soul would travel; in her case, she found herself in China 30 years in the future. The spiritual being who was guiding her explained that the earth was in the process of being purified, and that a 'great rebirth' was about to occur.



She also witnessed the apparent falling of a cluster of 'stars' that represented the arrival of 'high souls [that] were now coming down to help in the special event'. (9)

Our knowledge of the Shambhalic tradition in the West has come mainly from Orientalist scholars such as Helena Blavatsky, Rene Guenon, Louis Jacolliot, Saint-Yves d'Alveydre and Nicholas Roerich.



Since we have already spent some time with Madame Blavatsky, we may turn our attention to the work of the others, notably Nicholas Roerich (1874-1947), poet, artist, mystic and humanist, and perhaps the most famous and respected of the esotericists who brought news of this fabulous realm to Westerners.

Born in St Petersburg, Russia in 1874, Nicholas Roerich came from a distinguished family whose ability to trace its origins to the Vikings of the tenth century inspired his early interest in archaeology. This interest led in turn to a lifelong fascination with art, through which, in the words of K. P. Tampy, who wrote a monograph on Roerich in 1935, he became 'possessed of a burning desire to get at the beautiful and make use of it for his brethren'. (10)



After attending the St Petersburg Academy of Fine Art, Roerich went to Paris to continue his studies. In 1906, he won a prize for his design of a new church, and was also rewarded with the position of Director of the Academy for the Encouragement of Fine Arts in Russia. However, the Russian Revolution occurred while he was on a visit to America, and he found himself unable to return to his motherland.

Roerich's profound interest in Buddhist mysticism led to his proposing an expedition in 1923 that would explore India, Mongolia and Tibet. The Roerich Expedition of 1923-26 was made across the Gobi Desert to the Altai Mountains. It was during this expedition that Roerich's party had a most unusual experience - one of the many experiences that seem to offer strange and puzzling connections between apparently disparate elements of the paranormal and that make it such a complex and fascinating field of human enquiry.



In the summer of 1926, Roerich had set up camp with his son, Dr George Roerich, and several Mongolian guides in the Shara-gol valley near the Humboldt Mountains between Mongolia and Tibet. Roerich had just built a white stupa (or shrine), dedicated to Shambhala. The shrine was consecrated in August, with the ceremony witnessed by a number of invited lamas.

Two days later, the party watched as a large black bird wheeled through the sky above them. This, however, was not what astonished them, for far beyond the black bird, high up in the cloudless sky, they clearly saw a golden spheroidal object moving from the Altai Mountains to the north at tremendous speed. Veering sharply to the south-west, the golden sphere disappeared rapidly beyond the Humboldt Mountains.



As the Mongolian guides shouted to one another in the utmost excitement, one of the lamas turned to Roerich and informed him that the fabulous golden orb was the sign of Shambhala, meaning that the lords of that realm approved of his mission of exploration.

Later, Roerich was asked by another lama if there had been a perfume on the air. When Roerich replied that there had been, the lama told him that he was guarded by the King of Shambhala, Rigden Jye-Po, that the black vulture was his enemy, but that he was protected by a 'Radiant form of Matter'.



The lama added that anyone who saw the radiant sphere should follow the direction in which it flew, for in that direction lay Shambhala.

The exact purpose of this expedition (aside from exploration) was never made entirely clear by Roerich, but many writers on esoteric subjects have claimed that he was on a mission to return a certain sacred object to the King's Tower at the centre of Shambhala. According to Andrew Tomas, the sacred object was a fragment of the Chintamani stone, the great mass of which lies in the Tower.



Astonishingly, the stone is said to have been brought to Earth originally by an extraterrestrial being.

According to tradition, a chest fell from the sky in AD 331; the chest contained four sacred objects, including the Chintamani stone.



Many years after the casket was discovered, five strangers visited King Tho-tho-ri Nyan-tsan to explain the use of the sacred objects. The Chintamani stone is said to come from one of the star systems in the constellation of Orion, probably Sirius. The main body of the stone is always kept in the Tower of Shambhala, although small pieces are sometimes transferred to other parts of the world during times of great change.

It is rumored that the fragment of Chintamani which Roerich was returning to the Tower had been in the possession of the League of Nations, of which Roerich was a highly respected member.



The Caves Beneath the Himalayas
The concept of a subterranean realm (which we will discuss in much greater detail in Chapter Seven) is common throughout the world's religions and mythologies. With regard to the present study, we can identify a powerful antecedent to the legends and rumors still extant today in the mythology of Tibet. In his 1930 book Shambhala, Roerich describes his attempts to understand the origins of underworld legends 'to discover what memories were being cherished in the folk-memory'. (11)



In commenting on the ubiquity of subterranean legends, he notes that the more one examines them, the greater the conviction that they are all 'but chapters from the one story'. (12) An examination of the folklores of 'Tibet, Mongolia, China, Turkestan, Kashmir, Persia, Altai, Siberia, the Ural, Caucasia, the Russian steppes, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Germany, France' (13) will yield tales of dwellers beneath the earth.



In many places, the local people can even guide the curious traveler to cave entrances in isolated places, which are said to lead to the hidden world of the subterraneans.

Central Asia is home to legends of an underground race called the Agharti; the Altai Mountains are the dwelling place of the Chud. In Shambhala, Roerich states that the name 'Chud' in Russian has the same origin as the word 'wonder'. His guide through the Altai Mountains told him that the Chud were originally a powerful but peaceful tribe who flourished in the area in the distant past. However, they fell prey to marauding bands of warriors, and could only escape by leaving their fertile valley and departing into the earth to continue their civilization in subterranean realms.

Roerich's guide continued that at certain times the Chud could be heard singing in their underground temples. Elsewhere in the Altai Mountains, on the way to Khotan, Roerich reports that the hoofs of their horses sounded hollow upon the ground, as though they were riding over immense caves.



Other members of the caravan called to Roerich:

'Do you hear what hollow subterranean passages we are crossing? Through these passages, people who are familiar with them can reach far-off countries.' (14)

(The significance of this claim will become more apparent in Chapter Seven.)



The caravaneers continued:

'Long ago people lived there; now they have gone inside; they have found a subterranean passage to the subterranean kingdom. Only rarely do some of them appear again on earth. At our bazaar such people come with strange, very ancient money, but nobody could even remember a time when such money was in usage here.'



When Roerich asked if he, too, could see such people, his companions replied: 'Yes, if your thoughts are similarly high and in contact with these holy people, because only sinners are upon earth and the pure and courageous people pass on to something more beautiful.' (15)

In the region of Nijni Novgorod there is a legend of a subterranean city called Kerjenetz that sank into a lake. In Roerich's time, local people still held processions through the area, during which they would listen for the bells of invisible churches.

Roerich's party went on to discover four more groups of menhirs, and several tombs, taking the form of a square outlined by large stones. To the people of the Himalayas, those who built these monuments, although now departed, are not to be found anywhere on the Earth's surface:

'all which has disappeared, has departed underground'. (16)

Dr Ferdinand Ossendowski, whom we shall meet again in a little while, was told by lamas in Mongolia of fabulous civilizations existing before recorded history.



To Ossendowski's astonishment, the lamas claimed that when the homelands of these civilizations in the Atlantic and Pacific were destroyed by natural cataclysms some of their inhabitants survived in previously prepared subterranean shelters, illuminated by artificial light.



Andrew Tomas speculates that the Celtic legend of 'the Lordly Ones in the hollow hills' is a folk memory of the survivors of the destruction of the Atlantic continent. (17)



In India, legends tell of a race of beings called the Nagas. Serpent-like and extremely intelligent, the Nagas live in vast caverns illuminated by precious stones.



Although reptilian, the Nagas have human faces and are incredibly beautiful. Able to fly, they intermarried with kings and queens from the surface world, although they remain shy of surface dwellers and keep well away from all but the most spiritually advanced. Their capital city is called Bhogawati, and is said to be covered with rubies, emeralds and diamonds. (18)

Tomas writes that many Hindus and Tibetans have entered the caves of the Nagas, which stretch for hundreds of miles inside the mountains.

The inhabitants of this region speak of large lotus flowers floating on the surface of the Manasarawar Lake in the western part of the Tsang Po Valley. Radiant figures have also been seen near this extremely cold fresh-water lake.



The Realm of Agartha
Despite its inclusion in many popular books on Eastern mysticism, the name 'Agartha' is unknown in Asiatic mythology. In fact, one of the many variations on the name, 'Asgaard', was first used by the French writer Ernest Renan in the 1870s.



Although clearly inspired by Nordic mythology, Renan placed his Asgaard in Central Asia, while another French writer, Louis Jacolliot (1837-1890), was writing at the same time about a city of Asgartha. (19) A magistrate in Chandernagor, India, Jacolliot wrote a number of books on the relationship between Indian mythology and Christianity.

He was allegedly told the legend of Asgartha by a group of local Brahmins, who allowed him to consult various sacred texts, such as the Book of Historical Zodiacs.

According to Jacolliot, Asgartha was a prehistoric 'City of the Sun', home of the Brahmatma, the visible manifestation of God on Earth. (20) Asgartha existed in India in 13,300 BC, where the Brahmatma lived in an immense palace; he was invisible, and only appeared to his subjects once a year. Interestingly, Jacolliot stated that this high prehistoric culture existed long before the Aryans, who conquered Asgartha around 10,000 BC.



The priests of Asgartha then managed to form an alliance with the victorious Aryan Brahmins, which resulted in the formation of the warrior caste of Kshatriyas. About 5,000 years later, Asgartha was destroyed by the brothers Ioda and Skandah, who came from the Himalayas. Eventually driven out by the Brahmins, the brothers travelled north - and later gave their names to 'Odin' and 'Scandinavia'. (21)

Ferdinand Ossendowski (1876-1945) was another early writer on the legend of Agartha. Although born in Vitebsk, Poland, he spent most of his early life in Russia, attending the University of St Petersburg. For much of the 1890s, he travelled extensively in Mongolia and Siberia, developing his interest in and knowledge of Buddhist mysticism.



He returned to Europe in 1900 and gained a doctorate in Paris in 1903, before returning to Russia and working as a chemist for the Russian Army during the Russo-Japanese War of 1905. He then became president of the 'Revolutionary Government of the Russian Far East', before being taken prisoner by the Russian Government for his anti-Tsarist activities. (22)

After two years' imprisonment in Siberia, he taught physics and chemistry in the Siberian town of Omsk, until the Bolshevik Revolution forced him to flee Russia with a small group of fellow White Russians. Together they travelled across Siberia and into Mongolia, and he wrote of their adventures in his best-selling book Beasts, Men and Gods (1923).



While in Mongolia, Ossendowski made the acquaintance of a fellow Russian, a priest named Tushegoun Lama who claimed to be a friend of the Dalai Lama. Tushegoun Lama told Ossendowski of the subterranean kingdom of Agartha, home of the King of the World.



Intrigued by this reference, Ossendowski asked his friend for further information on this mysterious personage.

'Only one man knows his holy name. Only one man now living was ever in [Agartha]. That is I. This is the reason why the Most Holy Dalai Lama has honored me and why the Living Buddha in Urga fears me. But in vain, for I shall never sit on the Holy Throne of the highest priest in Lhasa nor reach that which has come down from Jenghis Khan to the Head of our Yellow Faith. I am no monk. I am a warrior and avenger.' (23)

Several months later, while continuing across Mongolia with some guides left behind by Tushegoun Lama (who had since gone his own way), Ossendowski was startled when his companions suddenly halted and dismounted from their camels, which immediately lay down. The Mongols began to pray, chanting:

'Om! Mani padme Hung!'

Ossendowski waited until they had finished praying before asking them what was happening.



One of the Mongol guides replied thus:

'Did you not see how our camels moved their ears in fear? How the herd of horses on the plain stood fixed in attention and how the herds of sheep and cattle lay crouched close to the ground? Did you notice that the birds did not fly, the marmots did not run and the dogs did not bark?



The air trembled softly and bore from afar the music of a song which penetrated to the hearts of men, animals and birds alike. Earth and sky ceased breathing. The wind did not blow and the sun did not move. At such a moment the wolf that is stealing up on the sheep arrests his stealthy crawl; the frightened herd of antelopes suddenly checks its wild course; the knife of the shepherd cutting the sheep's throat falls from his hand; the rapacious ermine ceases to stalk the unsuspecting saiga.



All living beings in fear are involuntarily thrown into prayer and waiting for their fate. So it was just now. Thus it has always been whenever the "King of the World" in his subterranean palace prays and searches out the destiny of all peoples on the earth.' (24)

Later, Ossendowski met an old Tibetan, Prince Chultun Beyli, living in exile in Mongolia, who furnished him with more details of the subterranean realm of Agartha and the King of the World. Agartha, he said, extends throughout all the subterranean passageways of the world.



The inhabitants owe allegiance to the 'King of the World'. They can cultivate crops due to a strange light that pervades the underground realm. Some of the inhabitants of these regions are extremely strange: one race has two tongues, enabling them to speak in two languages at the same time. There are also many fantastic animals, including tortoises with sixteen feet and one eye.

At this point, Ossendowski was approaching the Chinese border. It was his intention to take a train to Peking, from which he might find passage to the West. In the town of Urga he met an old lama, who provided him with yet more information on the King of the World.



The King's influence on the activities of the world's apparent leaders was profound. If their plans were pleasing before God, then the King of the World would help them to realize them; but if they displeased God, then the King would surely destroy them. His power came from the 'mysterious science of "Om"', which is the name of an ancient Holyman who lived more than 300,000 years ago, the first man to know God.

When Ossendowski asked him if anyone had ever seen the King of the World, the old lama replied that during the solemn holidays of the ancient Buddhism in Siam and India the King appeared five times in a 'splendid car drawn by white elephants'. (25) He wore a white robe and a red tiara with strings of diamonds that hid his face.



When he blessed the people with a golden apple surmounted by the figure of a lamb, the,

'blind received their sight, the dumb spoke, the deaf heard, the crippled freely moved and the dead arose, wherever the eyes of the "King of the World" rested'. (26)

Ossendowski then asked the lama how many people had been to Agartha. He replied that very many had, but that they never spoke about what they had seen there. He continued that, when the Olets destroyed Lhasa, one of their detachments found its way into the outskirts of Agartha, where they learned some of the lesser mysterious sciences. This is the reason for the magical skills of the Olets and Kalmucks.

Another of Ossendowski's informants, a lama named Turgut, told him that the capital of Agartha is surrounded by the towns of the high priests and scientists, somewhat in the way that the Potala palace of the Dalai Lama in Lhasa is surrounded by monasteries and temples. The throne on which the King of the World sits is itself surrounded by millions of incarnated gods, the Holy Panditas.



The King's palace is surrounded by the palaces of the Goro, who possess fantastic power, and who would easily be able to incinerate the entire surface of the Earth, should humankind be unwise enough to declare war on them. (As we shall see in Chapter Seven, the legend of the King of the World would serve as the inspiration for one of the most enduring technological myths of the twentieth century.)

The legend of Agartha was discussed at length by another writer, the self-educated Christian Hermeticist Saint-Yves d'Alveydre (1842-1909), whose marriage into money enabled him to indulge his yearning for mystical understanding. In 1885 he began to take lessons in Sanskrit from one Haji Sharif (1838-?), about whom very little is known save that he left India at the time of the Sepoy Revolt of 1857 and worked as a bird-seller at Le Havre. (27)



The manuscripts of d'Alveydre's lessons are preserved in the library of the Sorbonne in Paris. In them, Sharif refers to the 'Great Agarthian School' and the 'Holy Land of Agarttha' (one of the many alternative spellings of the name).

Sharif claimed that the original language of humanity, called Vattan or Vattanian, derived from a 22-letter alphabet. Although he was unable physically to visit Agartha, d'Alveydre found an ingenious alternative: through disengaging his astral body, he was able to visit the fabulous realm in spirit form (see pages 108-110). His astral adventures resulted in a series of books (Mission des Souverains, Mission des Ouvriers, Mission des Juifs and Mission de l'Inde), which he published at his own expense.



Interestingly, he destroyed the entire edition of the last work, Mission de I'lnde, for fear that he had revealed too many secrets of Agartha and might be made to pay for his transgression with his life. Only two copies survived: one that he kept himself and one that was hidden by the printer. (28)

He might well have been concerned, for Mission de I'lnde contains a detailed account of Agartha, which lies beneath the surface of the Earth somewhere in the East and is ruled over by an Ethiopian 'Sovereign Pontiff called the Brahmatma.'



The realm of Agartha was transferred underground at the beginning of the Kali-Yuga, about 3200 BC. The Agarthians possess technology that was impressive in d'Alveydre's day, including railways and air travel.



They know everything about the surface-dwellers, and occasionally send emissaries. Agartha contains many libraries in which all the knowledge of Earth is recorded on stone tablets in Vattanian characters, including the means by which the living may communicate with the souls of the dead.

D'Alveydre states that, although many millions of students have tried to possess the secrets of Agartha, very few have ever succeeded in getting further than the outer circles of the realm.

Like Bulwer-Lytton, who wrote of the Vril-ya in his fictional work The Coming Race (discussed in the previous chapter), d'Alveydre speaks of the Agartthians as being superior to humanity in every respect, the true rulers of the world. A certain amount of controversy arose when Ossendowski published his Beasts, Men and Gods: it displayed such similarities to d'Alveydre's work that he was accused by some of plagiarism only imperfectly masked by an alteration in the spelling of Agartha.



Ossendowski denied the charge vehemently, and claimed never to have heard of d'Alveydre before 1924. Rene Guenon defended Ossendowski, and claimed that there were many tales of subterranean realms told throughout Central Asia.



In fact, Guenon's work would later be heavily criticized by his translator Marco Pallis, who called his book Le Roi du Monde (The King of the World) 'disastrous' in conversation with Joscelyn Godwin, on the grounds that Ossendowski's sources were unreliable, and Guenon had allowed himself to enter the realms of the sensational. (29)



The Nazis and Tibetan Mysticism
The legends surrounding the realms of Agartha and Shambhala are confusing to say the least, and their frequently contradictory nature does nothing to help in an understanding of their possible influence on the hideous philosophy of the Third Reich. As we have seen, some writers claim that Agartha and Shambhala are physical places, cities lying miles underground with houses, palaces, streets and millions of inhabitants.



Others maintain that they are altogether more rarefied places, existing on some other level of reality but apparently coterminous with our physical world.



With regard to their exact location, Childress offers a short summary of their many possible locations:

'Shambhala is sometimes said to be north of Lhasa, possibly in the Gobi Desert, and other times it is said to be somewhere in Mongolia, or else in northern Tibet, possibly in the Changtang Highlands. Agharta is said to be south of Lhasa, perhaps near the Shigatse Monastery, or even in Northeast Nepal beneath Mount Kanchenjunga. Occasionally it is said to be in Sri Lanka. Both have been located inside the hollow earth [see Chapter Seven].' (30)

Adding to this confusion is the frequently made assertion that the two power centers are opposed to each other, with Agartha seen as following the right-hand path of goodness and light, and Shambhala following the left-hand path of evil and darkness (a dichotomy also expressed as spirituality versus materialism).



There is, needless to say, an opposing view that holds that Agartha is a place of evil and Shambhala the abode of goodness.

There have been a number of rumors concerning practitioners of black magic operating in Tibet and referring to themselves as the Shambhala or the Agarthi. (31) Although apparently outlawed by Tibetan Buddhists, they are said to continue their activities in secret. One writer who claimed to have encountered them was a German named Theodore Illion who spent the mid-1930s travelling through Tibet.



In his book Darkness Over Tibet (1937), he describes how he discovered a deep shaft in the countryside. Wishing to gauge its depth, he dropped several stones into it and waited for them to strike the bottom; he was rewarded only with silence. He was told by an initiate that the shaft was 'immeasurably deep' and that only the highest initiates knew where it ended.



His companion added:

'Anyone who would find out where it leads to and what it is used for would have to die.' (32)

Illion claimed to have gained access to a subterranean city inhabited by monks, whom he later found to be 'black yogis' planning to control the world through telepathy and astral projection.



When he discovered that the food he was being given contained human flesh, he decided to make a break for it and fled across Tibet with several of the monks after him. After several weeks on the run, he managed to escape from Tibet and returned to the West with his bizarre and frightening tale. (33)

There have also been persistent rumors that the Nazi interest in Tibet (itself a documented historical fact) was actually inspired by a desire to contact the black adepts of Shambhala and/or Agartha and to enlist their aid in the conquest of the world (see Chapter Three). One of the most vocal proponents of this idea was the British occult writer Trevor Ravenscroft, whose claims we shall examine in greater detail in the next chapter.



The schism between Shambhala and Agartha is described by Rene Guenon, who relates in Le Roi du Monde how the ancient civilization in the Gobi Desert was all but destroyed by a natural cataclysm, and the 'Sons of Intelligences of Beyond' retreated to the caverns beneath the Himalayas and re-established their civilization. There followed the formation of two groups: the Agarthi, who followed the way of spirituality, and the Shambhalists, who followed the way of violence and materialism.

Guenon claimed (as would Illion several years later) that the denizens of the subterranean world sought to influence the lives and actions of the surface dwellers through various occult means, including telepathic hypnosis and mediumship. Childress finds it intriguing that Hitler sent expeditions to Tibet in the late 1930s, soon after the publication of Illion's book Darkness Over Tibet, and suggests that their true objective was to make contact with the occult groups. (34)

This crypto-historical scenario continues with Hitler making the acquaintance of a mysterious Tibetan monk who told him that Germany could conquer the world by forging an alliance with the 'Lords of Creation'.



While the victorious Russians were picking their way through the ruins of Berlin (and, according to some, discovering the bodies of several Tibetan monks, as we saw in Chapter Three), it is claimed by the crypto-historians that Hitler was flying out of the city's Tempelhof Airfield to a rendezvous with the U-boat (possibly U-977) that would take him either to Argentina or Antarctica.



There is, however, a variation on this theme that has the Fuhrer escaping to Tibet to be hidden by those whose alliance he had sought.



According to an article in the May 1950 issue of the pro-Nazi Tempo Der Welt, that magazine's publisher, Karl Heinz Kaerner, claimed to have met with Martin Bormann in Morocco the previous year. If the story is to be believed (which would be extremely unwise), Bormann informed Kaerner that Hitler was alive in a Tibetan monastery, and that one day he would be back in power in Germany!

In addressing the question of whether such black magicians really lived (or still live) in Tibet, Childress reminds us that in her book Initiations and Initiates in Tibet, the French writer, explorer and authority on Tibetan mysticism Alexandra David-Neel (1868-1969) describes an encounter with a man who could hypnotize and kill from a distance. Nicholas Roerich also mentions the occultists of the ancient Bon religion, who were at war with the Buddhists of Tibet.

As Childress notes:

Shambhala draws strong similarities to the Land of the Immortals (Hsi Wang Mu) in that it is said to be a wonderful, lush valley in the high mountains with a tall, ornate solid jade tower from which a brilliant light shines. Like in the Kun Lun Mountains, Agharta and Shambhala have a cache of fantastic inventions and artifacts from distant civilizations in the past.

In contrast to the Valley of the Immortals in the Kun Lun Mountains, the cave communities with their incredible sights were part illusion, say Illion and Ravenscroft. At the Valley of the Immortals, perhaps there really were ancient artifacts of a time gone by watched over by Ancient Masters. Yet, it is unlikely that any person not chosen specifically by those who are the caretakers of this repository would be allowed inside Nor would those who had entered (such as possibly Nicholas Roerich) ever reveal the location or what they had seen there. (15)

While certainly intriguing, the claims of crypto-historians regarding Nazi involvement with the black magicians of Tibet suffer from a paucity of hard evidence in the form of documentation and testimony from surviving witnesses.



(We have already noted that the much-quoted Hermann Rauschning is considered by some serious historians, such as Ian Kershaw, to be extremely unreliable.)



As is so often the case in the field of occultism, the way is left open to those who are quite content to rely on spurious sources and hearsay in their creation of a tantalizing but incredible vision of history.



One of the most famous of these crypto-historians is Trevor Ravenscroft, and it is to his claims that we now must turn.



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Thursday, July 12th, 2012, 01:34 PM
Divers exploring a 'UFO-shaped' object in the Baltic sea say that the strange, curved object might be a Nazi weapon lost beneath the waves since the end of the Second World War.

Sonar scans have shown that the device, raised 10ft above the seabed and measuring 200ft by 25ft, could be the base of an anti-submarine weapon.

But now former Swedish naval officer and WWII expert Anders Autellus has revealed that the structure - measuring 200ft by 25ft - could be the base of a device designed to block British and Russian submarine movements in the area.

The huge steel-and-concrete structure could be one of the most important historical finds in years.

Autellus claims it would have been built of double-skinned concrete and reinforced with wire mesh to baffle radar - which could explain why the dive team's equipment repeatedly failed near the mystery object.

The area was vital to the German war machine because most of the ball bearings for its tanks and trucks came from here. Without them the German army would have ground to a halt, explained one expert.

This device dwarfs anything ever found before and is an important weapons discovery, they added.

Explorer Stefan Hogeborn - who is studying the images for the Ocean X diving team - agreed: It is a good candidate for the answer to this mystery. The object lies directly underneath a shipping route.

It would be of enormous weight in steel and concrete. Other Nazi anti-sub anchoring devices were nowhere near as large, he added.

While the Ocean Explorer team is understandably excited about their potentially earth-shattering find, others are slightly more sceptical and are questioning the accuracy of the sonar technology.

The Swedish team exploring the structure have been plagued with problems.

The divers exploring a 'UFO-shaped' object at the bottom of the Baltic Sea said that team their equipment stops working when they approach within 200m.

Professional diver Stefan Hogerborn, part of the Ocean X team which is exploring the anomaly, said some of the team's cameras and the team's satellite phone would refuse to work when directly above the object, and would only work once they had sailed away.

The object was first found in May last year, but because of a lack of funding and bad timing, they have were not able to pull a team together to see for themselves - just the strange, metallic outline, and a similar disk-shaped object about 200 metres away.

During their visit, the team saw a 985-foot trail that they described 'as a runway or a downhill path that is flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it'.

As it was before the recent dive, the story behind the object is anyone's guess, from a 'plug to the inner world' to the Millennium Falcon ship from Star Wars.
In the past, such technology has confused foreign objects with unusual- but natural - rock formations.

Part of the trouble they face, however, is that they have no way of telling what is inside the supposed cylinder- whether it is filled with gold and riches or simply aged sediment particles.

They're hoping for the former, and history seems to be in their favour.

The Baltic Sea is a treasure trove for shipwreck hunters, as an estimated 100,000 objects are thought to line the cold sea's floor.

The company have created a submarine that they hope will appeal to tourists and wannabe shipwreck hunters who will pay to take a trip down to the bottom of the Baltic Sea to see for themselves.

A further dive will take place in the coming weeks.

Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2172503/Sonar-scans-UFO-Baltic-sea-actually-secret-Nazi-super-weapon-lost-World-War-II.html)