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fareast
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 05:56 AM
I have never been Europe,and what i know about it comes from TV.According to my observation ,European women are much more blond than men. I think that there may be two reasons:1.males are more lech than females,so the hormone which keep the hair haired is less than female;and or 2,females are accustomed to dye to please male.
which above is right?please discuss it.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 06:17 AM
Coon pointed out concerning Swedish recruits that below the age of 22, there were more blonds than with increasing years. Testosterone is acclumative in the human body so that hair thickens in its presence and appears darker. With increasing years and testosterone, hair darkens. Female hormones apparently don't thicken hair shafts so the refract more light and appear lighter. Somehow, women's skin seems to glow more or appear more vascular which might or might not have to do with hormones.

fareast
Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 01:20 AM
thank you,but i can't find testosterone in my dictionary.

lei.talk
Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 09:27 AM
thank you,but i can't find testosterone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone) in my dictionary..

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, May 18th, 2006, 05:17 AM
thank you,but i can't find testosterone in my dictionary.

I am sorry perhaps I spelled it incorrectly. I am still learning English and my spelling is always bad. It is the male hormone. In addition to testosterone, the human growth hormone also apparently thickens hair shafts in humans which would also cause a darkening of the hair, courseness of the skin and growth of catilage. Cartilage growth in the nose, half way up were it joins the bone is sometimes seen as a little bump in people with apparently mixed Nordic/UP ancestry.

fareast
Sunday, May 21st, 2006, 10:19 AM
thanks for your discussion,before saw what you write i had believed that with the increasing of age,the male hormones will decrease when a man is older than 20.

Aldela
Saturday, June 3rd, 2006, 09:40 PM
yeah, it may apear like that also because most women have long hair..while alot of men have short hair...some blonde hair naturally dyes itself alot lighter in the sun.

Thruthheim
Sunday, June 4th, 2006, 04:35 PM
I think it's simply because it's more acceptable for woman to blonden their hair. For example, Blondes have a negative stereotype of being "Dumb", but the majority of "Blondes" who perpetuate this are actually fake and far from Blonde, Naturally. Also, Men don't colour their hair as much as females do. Longer hair bleached blonde will look more fitting than a short head of hair(typically male). When men blonden their hair, it's usually just highlights.

Aldela
Sunday, June 4th, 2006, 10:44 PM
you are extremely right.
i think that in society, you have the women who basically hide their inteligence in order to look more attractive to all sorts of men.they probably dye their hair blonde to fit in with the stereotypical 'dumb blonde'.Why some think it wil make them more attractive to men is beyond me.

what i personally hate about fake blondes is their eyebrows..theyre normall a very dark shade of brown and look hideous.im glad i have like white eyebrows haha

fareast
Thursday, June 8th, 2006, 09:52 AM
according to the pic,females are more blond than males even in primary school stage,when boys have little testosterone and girls would not color their hairs.

Jäger
Thursday, June 8th, 2006, 11:11 AM
According to my observation ,European women are much more blond than men. I made the same observation, but maybe it is really because I tend to give women more attention, wehn I walk the streets :D
Anyway, there are theories which suggest that blondism came from femals to attract males, during the ice ages where food was rare, and men died during hunts.
The result was many femals compared to a few men, so they had to stand out to get picked.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060303094409990001
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=82&ObjectID=10370381

I am not too sure about this though.

Haldķs
Thursday, June 8th, 2006, 01:43 PM
I have never been Europe,and what i know about it comes from TV.According to my observation ,European women are much more blond than men. I think that there may be two reasons:1.males are more lech than females,so the hormone which keep the hair haired is less than female;and or 2,females are accustomed to dye to please male.
which above is right?please discuss it.I think that's for the most part because we women bleach and dye our hair. :)

My own hair is about medium blonde:
http://www.ultimatelooks.com/adolfocolorwebpages/adolfo16lthoneyblonde1lg.jpg

After bleaching and dying, it can be platinum blonde:
http://www.ultimatelooks.com/henrymargucolorwebpages/hm614FHlg1.jpg

Or wheat blonde like it is now:
http://www.ultimatelooks.com/henrymargucolorwebpages/hm2612FHlg1.jpg

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, March 30th, 2007, 05:09 AM
thanks for your discussion,before saw what you write i had believed that with the increasing of age,the male hormones will decrease when a man is older than 20.


This is very true however to some organs and structures it is the effects over time which matter and cause change. In males testosterone darkens and thickens hair, it also causes body hair such as the beard and chest hair to thicken in the teens. It can cause heart disease in later life also.

Ovid
Friday, March 30th, 2007, 02:27 PM
I think that's for the most part because we women bleach and dye our hair.

I agree.

Interestingly, according to some old Finnish anthropology studies females are actually darker than males. From bittercreek's blog:


In many previous studies the Tavastians had been described as being very blond. The eye-colour among men was predominantly light (89,6%). The women once again proved to have a higher frequency of brown-eyes than men (18%). The hair was rarely extremely blond. The most common hair colour for men was dark-blond (45,1%) and brown (35,7%). Black hair was found only on 3.6%. The female hair in general was darker, however people with black hair were a few (3%).

http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/tavastland.html


The population of the Savolax region was mainly blond. Around 87% of men had light-eyes, brown eyes were found among 9%. Again there were more brown-eyes among the women (17,4%) However brown-eyed men were found in Northern Savolax more often than normally (23,1%) Extremely blond hair was rare among men (3,2%), however dark-blond hair was found in 46,2%. Very dark hair was found in 20% of men. Over half of the measured women had brown or darker toned hair.

http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/savolax-region.html

Isflicka
Thursday, March 4th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Because, women in general think darker hair looks powerful, harder and more manly. It doesn't mean men with brighter haircolours isn't as manly but nature has somehow made female features softer and brighter and male features more rough and dark. It's all according to nature.

stormflood
Saturday, March 6th, 2010, 12:24 PM
coming back to the "testosterone thing" . does it mean that men with blond hair have a lesser testosterone level than man with dark hair ?

Isflicka
Saturday, March 6th, 2010, 03:06 PM
coming back to the "testosterone thing" . does it mean that men with blond hair have a lesser testosterone level than man with dark hair ?

That would explain why the north and western white countries with many blondes is so civlized and has come so far politically. However that doesn't explain the englishmen so I don't know if that theory holds water.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, June 27th, 2018, 01:17 PM
This is very true however to some organs and structures it is the effects over time which matter and cause change. In males testosterone darkens and thickens hair, it also causes body hair such as the beard and chest hair to thicken in the teens. It can cause heart disease in later life also. You're basically stating that Nordish folks have no balls. My paternal grandfather was the blondest in my family and he was in the US Marines. I was there for his burial with military honors and heard the shots ring out.


I agree.

Interestingly, according to some old Finnish anthropology studies females are actually darker than males. From bittercreek's blog:



http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/tavastland.html



http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/savolax-region.html This is proof of the contrary. The fact on the ground of Finland, is that it was colonized by Swedish men, many of whom took Finnish females to wife.


Because, women in general think darker hair looks powerful, harder and more manly. It doesn't mean men with brighter haircolours isn't as manly but nature has somehow made female features softer and brighter and male features more rough and dark. It's all according to nature."Tall, dark and handsome" is a stereotype associated with "Latin lovers" and the bias has a Mediterranean origin. Troubadours are from Languedoc, not Norden.


coming back to the "testosterone thing" . does it mean that men with blond hair have a lesser testosterone level than man with dark hair ? Cuckistan used to be the case for Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece, all subjugated by the Sand Negroes in the name of Mohammadenism, with blonde males in England, Denmark, Norway and Sweden the macho Vikings who took nothing lying down. The blueprints of the European Union were held in Charlemagne's fist and when the Danes witnessed him crush the Saxons, they broke out in berserker fury upon the same French who thought highly of themselves beating back the Moors. European feudal servility is what's associated with non-blonde countries.


That would explain why the north and western white countries with many blondes is so civlized and has come so far politically. However that doesn't explain the englishmen so I don't know if that theory holds water.With state-mandated pacifism and socialism, it benefits those from non-blonde countries committing rapefugee acts upon blonde natives. As for your backhanded compliment toward Anglo-Saxons, it is quite non sequitur, with as little going for it, as the claim that, say, Sweden is more civilized and politically advanced, for being Cuckistan. Sounds like Soviet brainwashing.

Finnish Swede
Wednesday, June 27th, 2018, 04:15 PM
I agree.

Interestingly, according to some old Finnish anthropology studies females are actually darker than males. From bittercreek's blog:



http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/tavastland.html



http://finnanthro.blogspot.com/2006/12/savolax-region.html

Sorry, but I don't agree with those "old anthropology studies''...

And what comes to Finns exactly ... the studies between
Western Finns and Eastern Finns are always the most interesting. Also it would be here....

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, June 27th, 2018, 11:58 PM
Sorry, but I don't agree with those "old anthropology studies''...

And what comes to Finns exactly ... the studies between
Western Finns and Eastern Finns are always the most interesting. Also it would be here....What do you disagree with, in particular? Lappid and Ladogan phenotypes being present in Finland offends you, due to stereotyping, or something? I don't think of Tarja Turunen as a great Nordic beauty, whatever her vocals. She's no Linn or Jenny Berggren.

Finnish Swede
Thursday, June 28th, 2018, 06:00 AM
What do you disagree with, in particular? Lappid and Ladogan phenotypes being present in Finland offends you, due to stereotyping, or something? I don't think of Tarja Turunen as a great Nordic beauty, whatever her vocals. She's no Linn or Jenny Berggren.

Just that there would be more blonde guys than girls in Finland. But again what I keep blonde and what some others....might differs. I have noticed....

Oh, Lappoid and Ladoka phenotypes can surely be found among of Finns. Like several others. Some areas of country more than some others. No rocket science here....

As long as Finland will stay in top 3 or atleast in top 5 in different World"s listings... I'm not "offended". As by then my home country needs to beat some of the Germanic countries... no matter of peoples phenotypes. Last was comparison of healthy care systems (6/2018).

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, June 28th, 2018, 06:11 AM
What makes the Suomi healthcare system better?

Finnish Swede
Thursday, June 28th, 2018, 06:24 AM
What makes the Suomi healthcare system better?

Better than what? Iceland & Norway are bit ahead of us. What makes it good? I don't remember all, but at least these:

* high quality
* fast (easy to get in)
* available to all citizens
* organization (operated/handled very wisely...cost structure).

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, June 28th, 2018, 12:05 PM
Better than what? Iceland & Norway are bit ahead of us. What makes it good? I don't remember all, but at least these:

* high quality
* fast (easy to get in)
* available to all citizens
* organization (operated/handled very wisely...cost structure).

What are the features of the healthcare itself that make any of those systems superior? You've only referred to incidental characteristics of healthcare delivery, not the substance of what constitutes actual healthcare. I'll tell you, that nothing you wrote about it so far, is enviable. What matters, is the range of treatment capabilities. One can have high quality bandaging, but that's not much.

I'm starting to suspect that the claims to First Class civilization in Norden are just baseless puffery, or merely about luxuries rather than poverty. I can understand how wealthy lands act as magnets for the human garbage from the Third World, but the environment, even if clean, is only something I would feel native to, compared to Somalians, for instance. I wouldn't feel comfortable or natural in the Somali environment, even if it were clean. I think Norden ought not brag and advertise life out there. It's attracting all the wrong sorts of company your way. Targeted appeals, to fellow Northerners in Europe, Britain and America, ought to have the effect of limiting the types of folks who come to check it out.

Finnish Swede
Thursday, June 28th, 2018, 02:36 PM
What are the features of the healthcare itself that make any of those systems superior? You've only referred to incidental characteristics of healthcare delivery, not the substance of what constitutes actual healthcare. I'll tell you, that nothing you wrote about it so far, is enviable. What matters, is the range of treatment capabilities. One can have high quality bandaging, but that's not much.

As I don't have time nor interest for more (this is quite a lot off topic now, is't it?)
Read this and find whole study if you still want more details.

http://ceoworld.biz/2018/05/23/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-levels-of-healthcare-access-and-quality-2018-study/

PS: What comes to rest....everybody is well aware of USA's ''perfect'' health care system .... LOL!

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, June 29th, 2018, 02:32 AM
I'm not engaging in a pissing contest. I just don't buy anybody's hype. Hype is always short for hypocrisy, in my book, anyway.

As for the topic and subject, I agree that there are many couplings with blonde females and brunette males like my maternal grandparents, but then, I've noticed many brunette females with blonde males, which is the case of my parents and paternal grandparents. My wife is ginger and I'm blonde.

Finnish Swede
Friday, June 29th, 2018, 09:06 AM
I'm not engaging in a pissing contest. I just don't buy anybody's hype. Hype is always short for hypocrisy, in my book, anyway.

As for the topic and subject, I agree that there are many couplings with blonde females and brunette males like my maternal grandparents, but then, I've noticed many brunette females with blonde males, which is the case of my parents and paternal grandparents. My wife is ginger and I'm blonde.

Well...I just based on my opinions what I see/have seen (Sweden & Finland).

Couples with blonde girl and sand brunnette guy are more common than opposite, but some girls dyes their hair.

My both parents are so called light blondes. All my grandparents are blondes too (incl. two dark blondes/dirty-blondes). I guess the result is platina blonde (me) if one goes to mix normal Danish/Southern Swedish blonde genes with normal Northern Sweden (Stockholm) and Ostrobothnia (Finland) Finnish Swede blonde genes.

Ginger and blonde? Rare & interesting. If you do not mind, may I ask how your kids looks like? My understanding is that ginger genes are "stronger" than blondism genes? Maybe strawberry blondes? LOL.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, June 29th, 2018, 01:20 PM
Instead of golden blonde, which is how I was born, our sons are strawberry blonde. Our daughter's complexion is more like me than my wife, with nary any ginger. One of our boys is more ginger than the other, who is in between him and our daughter in complexion.

Finnish Swede
Friday, June 29th, 2018, 01:54 PM
Instead of golden blonde, which is how I was born, our sons are strawberry blonde. Our daughter's complexion is more like me than my wife, with nary any ginger. One of our boys is more ginger than the other, who is in between him and our daughter in complexion.

How about eye colors? You have blue eyes? Does your wife (ginger) have blue or green
eyes? How about your kids?

I have relatives (Swedish) who are light golden blondes. I like that hair color! I have dyed my hair color couple of times exactly to that (and not to anything else .... actually). Also easy to do if you are lighter normally.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, June 30th, 2018, 03:44 AM
How about eye colors? You have blue eyes? Does your wife (ginger) have blue or green
eyes? How about your kids?

I have relatives (Swedish) who are light golden blondes. I like that hair color! I have dyed my hair color couple of times exactly to that (and not to anything else .... actually). Also easy to do if you are lighter normally.

We all have blue eyes. My sister, parents, uncles and aunts, grandparents, etc. are blue-eyed. I don't know everyone of my in-laws.

I treasure natural beauty in women. No implants, cosmetics, tattoos or piercings...

As for my golden blonde hair, it was translucent, which is practically "clear". I can see right through it. Different?

Finnish Swede
Saturday, June 30th, 2018, 07:01 AM
We all have blue eyes. My sister, parents, uncles and aunts, grandparents, etc. are blue-eyed. I don't know everyone of my in-laws.

I treasure natural beauty in women. No implants, cosmetics, tattoos or piercings...

As for my golden blonde hair, it was translucent, which is practically "clear". I can see right through it. Different?

All blue eyed? Well ... almost the same with my family lines .... but one of us has light gray eyes. And couple of others? They have blue eyed with bit mix of grayish or greenish (or both) shade on those (depending of light). The rest (like me) have blue eyed. All of those are very light.

If/then you have ''ginger blood'' on your family .... I think your family's blue eyes needs to be stronger & deeper (= darker blue) than ours.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, June 30th, 2018, 12:48 PM
All blue eyed? Well ... almost the same with my family lines .... but one of us has light gray eyes. And couple of others? They have blue eyed with bit mix of grayish or greenish (or both) shade on those (depending of light). The rest (like me) have blue eyed. All of those are very light.

If/then you have ''ginger blood'' on your family .... I think your family's blue eyes needs to be stronger & deeper (= darker blue) than ours.Well, my wife considers "light grey" to be separate from blue, but I don't. Hers is that color and it's in our kids too. I never thought about it. As long as it's not brown or hazel, or green, it's pretty much a shade of blue, including "grey". Yes, I have ginger kin on my side of the family, which explains our children inheriting this trait--it takes both parents to pass it down effectively and visibly.

My paternal grandfather was platinum blond, so his hair went white.

Wuotans Krieger
Thursday, November 29th, 2018, 09:38 PM
I have never been Europe,and what i know about it comes from TV.According to my observation ,European women are much more blond than men. I think that there may be two reasons:1.males are more lech than females,so the hormone which keep the hair haired is less than female;and or 2,females are accustomed to dye to please male.
which above is right?please discuss it.

Hair dye/bleach. Women are much more given to vanity than men. This is their weakness.

Gareth Lee Hunter
Thursday, November 29th, 2018, 11:03 PM
Hair dye/bleach. Women are much more given to vanity than men. This is their weakness.

I know for a fact my little lady is a natural golden blonde from her baby pics on up to the consummation of our marriage. But sometimes during those years, I have thought she must be a chameleon, because her hair seems darker than lighter than darker. I'm being serious about this weirdness too... And I really don't think she dyes her hair.

Wuotans Krieger
Thursday, November 29th, 2018, 11:09 PM
I know for a fact my little lady is a natural golden blonde from her baby pics on up to the consummation of our marriage. But sometimes during those years, I have thought she must be a chameleon, because her hair seems darker than lighter than darker. I'm being serious about this weirdness too... And I really don't think she dyes her hair.

I was blonde as a young child. My hair gradually darkened to light brown over the years. I now am rather thin on top and mainly gray but I notice that in summer my hair does go lighter again. My beard however which was multicoloured 9 years ago is now totally gray and white-such is aging!

Uwe Jens Lornsen
Thursday, November 29th, 2018, 11:31 PM
I was blonde as a young child. My hair gradually darkened to light brown over the years. I now am rather thin on top and mainly gray but I notice that in summer my hair does go lighter again. My beard however which was multicoloured 9 years ago is now totally gray and white-such is aging!

This is exactly me, too .

Father black haired, mother blonde, both never coloured their hairs .

Uwe Jens Lornsen
Thursday, November 29th, 2018, 11:37 PM
I guess the result is platina blonde (me) if one goes to mix normal Danish/Southern Swedish blonde genes with normal Northern Sweden (Stockholm) and Ostrobothnia (Finland) Finnish Swede blonde genes.


Hmmm ... sometimes I think, that platina blonde is just a shade of gray and white ,
and shows ageing before time ( physically, psychologically ) .

LillyCaterina
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 12:24 AM
I know for a fact my little lady is a natural golden blonde from her baby pics on up to the consummation of our marriage. But sometimes during those years, I have thought she must be a chameleon, because her hair seems darker than lighter than darker. I'm being serious about this weirdness too... And I really don't think she dyes her hair.

There were times when I highlighted my blonde hair with a peroxide mix. That's probably why my natural blonde hair appeared lighter than darker. So, really no mystery that I know you like solving this time. ;)

fjaran
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 03:13 AM
The reason is that girls highlight/lighten their hair much more often than guys. This is common whether their hair is blonde/brown/red to begin with, to lighten it further.

I don't have any issue with it, though I always find it funny that almost all derp males have no idea when a girl obviously lightens her hair.

Finnish Swede
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 07:58 AM
Hmmm ... sometimes I think, that platina blonde is just a shade of gray and white ,
and shows ageing before time ( physically, psychologically ) .

Well...sorry .... maybe platina (sometimes meaning even silver?) was bit a wrong word. Otherwise I was aged since I born? LOL.

With white/platina blonde I meant similar natural light hair color as she has or Elsa princess.... ''flaxen-haired'' called by Finns.
http://i.xomf.com/nlhll.jpg

It is not a huge surprise that neither I or non of my (living) relatives have deep blue eyes :( . All of us have light blue eyes and a few light grayish blue/light gray eyes.

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 09:30 AM
This is exactly me, too .

Father black haired, mother blonde, both never coloured their hairs .

My mother was black haired. By contrast my father was fair haired. I have blue eyes. My father had blue eyes also and my mother's were green. Foreigners used to try and guess her national origins, never knowing that she was German. She often lied and said that she was Russian. In those days there was still a certain amount of hostility in England towards Germans. I sometimes bore the brunt of this as well. I recall in the early 1990s bumping into an old work colleague and I just happened to mention to him that my mother had died in 1989 at the age of 71 and I was shocked by his response: "The only good German is a dead German". I have never got over that-someone who I thought of as a friend.

Gareth Lee Hunter
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 12:49 PM
My mother was black haired. By contrast my father was fair haired. I have blue eyes. My father had blue eyes also and my mother's were green. Foreigners used to try and guess her national origins, never knowing that she was German. She often lied and said that she was Russian. In those days there was still a certain amount of hostility in England towards Germans. I sometimes bore the brunt of this as well. I recall in the early 1990s bumping into an old work colleague and I just happened to mention to him that my mother had died in 1989 at the age of 71 and I was shocked by his response: "The only good German is a dead German". I have never got over that-someone who I thought of as a friend.

That was one of the most needlessly cruel statements I've ever read regarding what your "friend" said about your deceased mother. I am very sorry this happened to you. But at least you now know his true colors.

Even though my paternal grandmother was a German immigrant, my father always referred to our heritage as Scotts/Irish, which I later determined was simply a fabrication he promoted during WWI and especially, WWII to avoid patriotic prejudice.

Žoreišar
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 02:24 PM
I can think of a few possible factors responsible for women appearing more blonde than men:

- Long haired females have more sun exposure on their individual hair strings, leading to a natural bleaching process, compared to most males who are short-haired.
- Coarser hair among males due to testosterone makes it more difficult for light to pass through the hair strings, making it appear darker.
- Sexual selection benefitting light-haired females, since it is perceived as a trait of youthfulness. A trait that is not viewed equally as sexually desirable when exhibited by males.
- Women chemically bleaching their hair.

fjaran
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 03:39 PM
I can think of a few possible factors responsible for women appearing more blonde than men:

- Long haired females have more sun exposure on their individual hair strings, leading to a natural bleaching process, compared to most males who are short-haired.
- Women chemically bleaching their hair.

It is actually just peroxide, but the sun could possibly contribute a little as well for anyone who has longer hair. It would be very minor in any case, if at all. It should be about the same whether your hair is shorter or longer.

Lemon/lime wash when rubbed onto hair will also expedite the process of UV light bleaching. Salt water and salt in air moisture may also have this effect, as I notice it is common for surfers to have sun-bleached hair.

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 04:40 PM
I can think of a few possible factors responsible for women appearing more blonde than men:

- Long haired females have more sun exposure on their individual hair strings, leading to a natural bleaching process, compared to most males who are short-haired.
- Coarser hair among males due to testosterone makes it more difficult for light to pass through the hair strings, making it appear darker.
- Sexual selection benefitting light-haired females, since it is perceived as a trait of youthfulness. A trait that is not viewed equally as sexually desirable when exhibited by males.
- Women chemically bleaching their hair.

I am not sure of your first statement as all hair receives the same exposure to the sun regardless of length. Regarding length of hair of males, short hair has only been fashionable for a comparatively short while. Mine has been long throughout most of my life. Even when I have had shorter hair the natural bleaching effect of the sun was the same.
Nordics generally have fine hair, not coarse. Coarse hair is a trait amongst southern Europeans. Mine is extremely fine, so fine that it becomes unmanageable when washed so I only wash it infrequently, usually twice a year when I have a bath. As far as selection is concerned I am not sure that this is a relevant factor in an era when women dye or bleach their hair. If it were a factor then there would be far more fairer haired women than there are. They are a minority. It is very difficult for a man to ascertain the woman's natural hair colouring. I also don't think that mates are selected in this way anyway. Other more serious factors come into play. Often men will choose mates who resemble their mothers or sisters if they have one, regardless of hair colouring.

Finnish Swede
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 04:49 PM
Blondes have more fun :D

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcademicIndelibleAngora-size_restricted.gif

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 05:05 PM
Blondes have more fun :D

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcademicIndelibleAngora-size_restricted.gif

That's a wig-she is bald underneath!

Gareth Lee Hunter
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 05:09 PM
Some blondes do have more fun. :thumbup

https://s15-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Ff1.media.brigh tcove.com%2F8%2F77374810001%2F7737481000 1_2515932761001_video-still-for-video-2515968581001.jpg%3FpubId%3D77374810001% 26amp;videoId%3D2515968581001&sp=6bc2120be44a54cc096ee0a4efcfa2c8

Finnish Swede
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 05:49 PM
That's a wig-she is bald underneath!


LOL!

I guess she was then bald already since young age...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/7a/e3/4b7ae37d5cbd9a8fd15eacdf1398bbfa.jpg

And slept with wig
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/da/cb/74dacb576feb6229e6cee19b49139505--elsa-frozen-frozen-disney.jpg

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, November 30th, 2018, 05:55 PM
LOL!

I guess she was then bald already since young age...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/7a/e3/4b7ae37d5cbd9a8fd15eacdf1398bbfa.jpg

And slept with wig
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/da/cb/74dacb576feb6229e6cee19b49139505--elsa-frozen-frozen-disney.jpg

She's actually 60 years of age but has had a lot of Botox injections and plastic surgery!

Žoreišar
Thursday, December 6th, 2018, 11:11 PM
I am not sure of your first statement as all hair receives the same exposure to the sun regardless of length.Longer hair lives to see more days of sun than shorter hair. It is often visible that people with long hair have a lighter tone at the ends of their hair, and a darker tone closer to the roots (excluding people who bleach or dye their hair). This happens to me as well, and is quite noticeable.


As far as selection is concerned I am not sure that this is a relevant factor in an era when women dye or bleach their hair. If it were a factor then there would be far more fairer haired women than there are.Why? What percentage should it have been at? I'm not saying fair hair is the only trait valued in sexual selection, but to say it is irrelevant would be to ignore historical facts. In Norse mythology, for example, a lot of value is placed on fair hair, albeit not in a manner directly pertaining to sexual selection. Then there's the example of the European slave trade, where blonde women were higher praised than women of other complexions. And Roman and Greek women wearing blonde wigs made from the hair of Northern European women. And must I mention the obsession with blonde women in the porn industry?


It is very difficult for a man to ascertain the woman's natural hair colouring.Not in prior to modern times.

Fire spirit
Wednesday, December 12th, 2018, 01:29 AM
In regards to sun bleaching, this often is better during Summer or in some tropical climate when Europeans (even brunettes) turn lighter.
Europe doesn't get that much vibrant hot everlasting sunlight as it's a cooler climate with darker days. Winter is the most dominant season in Europe, this also includes cold snaps in Spring. The light hair and blondeness isn't down to ice and snow either, because non Europeans in other parts of the world are blonde. The people of the Solomon Islands are natural blonde. Snow again:
Polar bears have white fur with transparent glassy strands, which they say causes white fur.
Children are more blonde than adults. Females are fairer haired than their brothers and fathers. There is the phrase "Baby Blonde". On some brunettes it's possible to notice blonde coloured down on the arms, ect.
Blonde features are a bit more recessive in sons than in daughters.
Anyway it's very strange.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/hair-colour-men-women-blonde-black-genetic-roots-dna-study-a8308301.html

fjaran
Wednesday, December 12th, 2018, 02:12 AM
Females are fairer haired than their brothers and fathers
Blonde features are a bit more recessive in sons than in daughters.
Anyway it's very strange.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/hair-colour-men-women-blonde-black-genetic-roots-dna-study-a8308301.html

I don't believe that or what the article/study claims whatsoever. It does not reflect reality. There are many girls who have darker or lighter hair, just as there are many guys who have darker or lighter hair. There are many girls who have darker hair than guys and so on. It doesn't matter whether they are siblings or not.

You should already know that "study" is questionable when it states something like this as well,


“We thought it might have something to do with the attraction of women for darker skinned men and vice versa - but we don't think the genes are any different,” Spector explained.

As I already said, this subject simply comes down to the fact that girls lighten their hair far more often than guys.

Fire spirit
Wednesday, December 12th, 2018, 11:33 AM
I don't believe that or what the article/study claims whatsoever. It does not reflect reality. There are many girls who have darker or lighter hair, just as there are many guys who have darker or lighter hair. There are many girls who have darker hair than guys and so on.

It doesn't matter. If you don't believe in it's results, then you should get in touch with them and explain it to them. The study comes from 300,000 people and done by a scientific team. It doesn't say on there that women can't have dark hair or that men can't have light hair.


You should already know that "study" is questionable when it states something like this as well,

Well I disagree with their comment also about that because it's generalising women. That comment is ignorant but the study itself is just saying out of 300,000 people, the women were lighter. As for dyeing of hair, LOL, the test was made using samples of DNA.

fjaran
Wednesday, December 12th, 2018, 02:04 PM
It doesn't matter. If you don't believe in it's results, then you should get in touch with them and explain it to them. The study comes from 300,000 people and done by a scientific team. It doesn't say on there that women can't have dark hair or that men can't have light hair.

Well I disagree with their comment also about that because it's generalising women. That comment is ignorant but the study itself is just saying out of 300,000 people, the women were lighter. As for dyeing of hair, LOL, the test was made using samples of DNA.

It cannot be possible as the genes are all the same, so it doesn't make any sense. I have seen "geneticists" claim in articles that light eyed parents can have brown eyed children as well, which of course is not true. You don't know how they came to their "conclusions" or how they viewed the data, or what their motives are. Some geneticists will also claim that "race doesn't exist" for example, so I guess we should believe that too.

I meant the subject of this thread is down to lightening hair, not the study.

Fire spirit
Wednesday, December 12th, 2018, 09:18 PM
The article doesn't talk about race or brown eyed children born from light eyed parents. You must be referring to a different article from the one I posted. My post #52 was in reply to the question of the thread, not aimed at your previous posts or anyone else's answers on the thread that I've not even gone through 6 pages of it. I understand you don't agree with scientific research. What;s the name of the geneticists that said race doesn't exist?

Genes aren't the same as they vary from person to person. Males have a Y chromosome and one X chromosome. Females have two X chromosomes. Males have 80 extra genes than females. Among individuals there are varied genes and mutations. The article talks about DNA from 300,000 people. This other article I'm posting describes more about DNA in details: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/19/the_odd_body_chromosomes_genes/
(https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/19/the_odd_body_chromosomes_genes/)

fjaran
Friday, December 14th, 2018, 10:56 PM
The article doesn't talk about race or brown eyed children born from light eyed parents. You must be referring to a different article from the one I posted. My post #52 was in reply to the question of the thread, not aimed at your previous posts or anyone else's answers on the thread that I've not even gone through 6 pages of it. I understand you don't agree with scientific research. What;s the name of the geneticists that said race doesn't exist?

You seem to read very literally and not into context. The point is that just because x "geneticist" claims something does not inherently make it true. Any time something involving genes is claimed then it must be heavily scrutinized. There is no proof or explanation for their claim in any case, merely a claim. They even admit it themselves.


Genes aren't the same as they vary from person to person. Males have a Y chromosome and one X chromosome. Females have two X chromosomes. Males have 80 extra genes than females. Among individuals there are varied genes and mutations. The article talks about DNA from 300,000 people. This other article I'm posting describes more about DNA in details: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/19/the_odd_body_chromosomes_genes/
(https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/19/the_odd_body_chromosomes_genes/)

First of all, one of a female's X chromosomes is switched off in x-inactivation, and the Y carries nothing for our body on it (male expression genes), only activator genes. I am sure you like most people have no idea what the Y actually does or what it carries. Most people believe "guy make guy, girl make girl," which is false. The genes carried and passed down are all the same for males and females of the same race, and there are no gender-expressed hair color genes. They are again the same for males and females so the study's claim simply doesn't make any sense. There is no explanation for any mechanism of why their claim would be true. It also does not reflect in reality. Maybe you want to believe you are special or something, I don't know. You can believe what you like but I am not going to debate it any further.

Fire spirit
Saturday, December 15th, 2018, 01:35 AM
It took you a couple of days to post that. :roll
Did you ask someone for help in replying or something?
Anyway I came on here to post about hair colour. You chose to argue with me on the subject, not the other way round. If you disagree with what I posted, you could always write to the geneticists and scientists themselves and explain how the topic makes you feel. Due to the iffy way you've been talking to me on here, I'm giving you the silent treatment.