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Mannerheim
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 12:49 AM
Just little announcement.

I respect GREATLY Swedens incredible accomplishment in 17th century.

Europes military might in 17th century.Just 1,5 million inhabitants back then and in certain moment it hold the biggest territorial land area in europe.Truly marvelous.

This if what proves racial supremecy(though Sweden used lots of finnish soldiers also)

And not forget vikings also.

Truly a great nation and race.


Cheers

larcher
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 01:25 AM
Just little announcement.

I respect GREATLY Swedens incredible accomplishment in 17th century.

Europes military might in 17th century.Just 1,5 million inhabitants back then and in certain moment it hold the biggest territorial land area in europe.Truly marvelous.

This if what proves racial supremecy(though Sweden used lots of finnish soldiers also)

And not forget vikings also.

Truly a great nation and race.


Cheers
If you count the area, Russia was the biggest then in Europe.

Susisaari
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 04:39 PM
If you count the area, Russia was the biggest then in Europe.

Russia is not in Europe by my standards!

symmakhos
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 04:56 PM
Here's a map of Sweden in her imperial days.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=59551&stc=1&d=1147794956

Mannerheim
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 07:23 PM
If sweden had only abled to keep these borders and strengthen its state piece by piece from the times of Gustav Vasa it would had been one of the victors of ww1.

Susisaari
Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 08:24 PM
If sweden had only abled to keep these borders and strengthen its state piece by piece from the times of Gustav Vasa it would had been one of the victors of ww1.

It didn't participate in ww1. Do you think it should have?

Mannerheim
Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 08:31 PM
It didn't participate in ww1. Do you think it should have?


Im sure that russians would have been smashed together with germans in a couple of months if Sweden would been in this situation.

Yes,of course this would have been advantageous to european culture and race.

Cheers

Susisaari
Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 09:07 PM
Im sure that russians would have been smashed together with germans in a couple of months if Sweden would been in this situation.

Yes,of course this would have been advantageous to european culture and race.

Cheers


I think it would have been preferable if the war had ended in 1916 or 1917, when Germany and Austria actually offered peace. If the war had ended already then, the bolsheviks would not have been able to come to power in Russia.

If the United States had followed a strict non-interventionist foreign policy, it is likely that the intra-European conflict would have ended in late 1916 or early 1917 as the result of several peace initiatives, most notably by the Austrian Emperor Charles I. Moreover, the war would have been concluded with a mutually acceptable and face-saving compromise peace rather than the actual dictate. Consequently, Austria-Hungary, Germany and Russia would have remained traditional monarchies instead of being turned into short-lived democratic republics. With a Russian Czar and a German and Austrian Kaiser in place, it would have been almost impossible for the Bolsheviks to seize power in Russia, and in reaction to a growing communist threat in Western Europe, for the Fascists and National Socialists to do the same in Italy and Germany. (http://www.mises.org/hoppeintro.asp)

óðinn
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 09:30 PM
If sweden had only abled to keep these borders and strengthen its state piece by piece from the times of Gustav Vasa it would had been one of the victors of ww1.

Traitor! Your nick name is Mannerheim and i suppose you're refering to Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and if you're refering to him and saying a thing like this it makes no sense. Because there is one good thing with the fall of the Swedish Kingdom and that is FINLAND.:D I mean without the fall of Sweden, no Lordi, no Skolfinska, no Suomiviina, no Uuno Turhapuro, no Runeberg/Lönnrot/Snellman/etc. We would'nt have "Maamme" at all.

I do admire Sweden, and I do consider us as the former Eastern part of Sweden. Finland and Sweden do have a lot in common, but one nation? Not thanks but instead a union between all the Scandinavian countries instead of EU.

Koska Suomi on bäst (parhain??). As you can see we clearly need more skolfinska.:D Or parempaan maybe.

But the idea of crussing Russia is nevertheless a good one!:thumbup Hakka päälle!

Lissu
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 09:55 PM
Traitor! Your nick name is Mannerheim and i suppose you're refering to Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and if you're refering to him and saying a thing like this it makes no sense. Because there is one good thing with the fall of the Swedish Kingdom and that is FINLAND.:D I mean without the fall of Sweden, no Lordi, no Skolfinska, no Suomiviina, no Uuno Turhapuro, no Runeberg/Lönnrot/Snellman/etc. We would'nt have "Maamme" at all.

I do admire Sweden, and I do consider us as the former Eastern part of Sweden. Finland and Sweden do have a lot in common, but one nation? Not thanks but instead a union between all the Scandinavian countries instead of EU.

Koska Suomi on bäst (parhain??). As you can see we clearly need more skolfinska.:D Or parempaan maybe.

But the idea of crussing Russia is nevertheless a good one!:thumbup Hakka päälle!So your Finnish is not very good then? It surprizes me how there is still unilingual Swedish speakers in Finland, they have lots of problems elsewhere than in their immediate living area. And the dialect of the Ostrobothian Swedish is so different than for example south coast Swedish speakers have huge difficulties to understand it.

But I agree with you, we are very lucky that the former Swedish empire fell like it did, in fact it was the best event during the 6-7 centuries marriage of Sweden and Finland :) If only the very last relic would be removed, and that is fårced skolsvenska ;)

And no, I don't want Finland to be an unilingual country, I just hope my future children would be free to choose the languages they will study. Now there is no such freedom and Swedish must be studied on expence of important European languages like German and French. Most of my Swedish speaking friends and acquintances seem to wish this too, because the current situation causes friction between the 2 linguistic groups in Finland and it's totally unnecessary.

Idun
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:02 PM
And the dialect of the Ostrobothian Swedish is so different than for example south coast Swedish speakers have huge difficulties to understand it.

I have some problems understanding the dialect of Österbotten svenskan..

Some of the dialects sounds so funny :D

Lissu
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:07 PM
I have some problems understanding the dialect of Österbotten svenskan..

Some of the dialects sounds so funny :DTis true :) I'm not able to judge Swedish dialects that much, but Finlandsvenska gives me headache. It's more pleasant to listen to riksvenska ;)

óðinn
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:11 PM
I have some problems understanding the dialect of Österbotten svenskan..

Some of the dialects sounds so funny :D

Seir tö så? Föklar vafö tö tykke he!:D He sku va roolit te veta så he så. Lag in lystju åv i band å heng en neger i lytsju.:D


But I agree with you, we are very lucky that the former Swedish empire fell like it did, in fact it was the best event during the 6-7 centuries marriage of Sweden and Finland images/smilies/pantheon_europa/smile001.gif If only the very last relic would be removed, and that is fårced skolsvenska

Well as far as I'm concernced skolsvenska kan määntä helvettiin as long as I'm allowed to speak Ostrobothnian swedish whereever I am:D Besides it can one can speak english since everyone understands english.

Idun
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:14 PM
Seir tö så? Föklar vafö tö tykke he!:D He sku va roolit te veta så he så. Lag in lystju åv i band å heng en neger i lytsju.:D
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:rofl

It sounds worse then Norrländskan! :D

Mannerheim
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:16 PM
Traitor! Your nick name is Mannerheim and i suppose you're refering to Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim and if you're refering to him and saying a thing like this it makes no sense. Because there is one good thing with the fall of the Swedish Kingdom and that is FINLAND.:D I mean without the fall of Sweden, no Lordi, no Skolfinska, no Suomiviina, no Uuno Turhapuro, no Runeberg/Lönnrot/Snellman/etc. We would'nt have "Maamme" at all.


Im not traitor.Mannerheim was soldier not politician.He knew 0% about politics.

So he wanted only to be in wars even in russian army ! That is only reason why i dont like him.

I think union with Sweden,Finland,Norway and Danemark would been best.

These kind of develpments what Finland went trough in 19th would been also samekind under the swedish rule.

Military union particularly would been nice.

Hahaha.No Uuno Turhapuro..:D



I do admire Sweden, and I do consider us as the former Eastern part of Sweden. Finland and Sweden do have a lot in common, but one nation? Not thanks but instead a union between all the Scandinavian countries instead of EU.

Agree 100%



Koska Suomi on bäst (parhain??). As you can see we clearly need more skolfinska.:D Or parempaan maybe.


What are you talking about?You are finnish swede and you are patriotis FINN. Im sorry but that is quite stupid.You should be germanist or swekomaani but not fennoman.



But the idea of crussing Russia is nevertheless a good one!:thumbup Hakka päälle!

Yes,Russia should had been destroyed. :~(





So your Finnish is not very good then? It surprizes me how there is still unilingual Swedish speakers in Finland, they have lots of problems elsewhere than in their immediate living area. And the dialect of the Ostrobothian Swedish is so different than for example south coast Swedish speakers have huge difficulties to understand it.


LOL,yes.I have heard some Österbotten finns speaking and neither finns or swedes understand them.:D



But I agree with you, we are very lucky that the former Swedish empire fell like it did, in fact it was the best event during the 6-7 centuries marriage of Sweden and Finland :) If only the very last relic would be removed, and that is fårced skolsvenska ;)


I friendly disagree.

I think that swedish empire would had gone to a new glory when 19th centuries new ideologies were coming to fashion like romantic nationalism..etc.


And no, I don't want Finland to be an unilingual country, I just hope my future children would be free to choose the languages they will study. Now there is no such freedom and Swedish must be studied on expence of important European languages like German and French.

Why remove swedish language.It would be better if we would start learning swedish right from the 1st class,then nobody would had any problems.



Cheers

óðinn
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:24 PM
What are you talking about?You are finnish swede and you are patriotis FINN. Im sorry but that is quite stupid.You should be germanist or swekomaani but not fennoman.
Haven't you heard what finlandswedes begun to say in the beginning of the 1890s.

Svenskar är vi inte längre, ryssar vilja vi inte blifva, låtom oss alltså vara finnar

Last I checked Runeberg/Lönnrot/Snellman where finlandswedes and they where fennomans.:D So where's the problem, besides obne cannot be stupid enough to live in this godforsaken country without loving every part of it.:thumbup


LOL,yes.I have heard some Österbotten finns speaking and neither finns or swedes understand them.
You're speaking about "Närpesiska"!:D

Btw "Lagin er å såva he byri va seint!"

Lissu
Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006, 10:30 PM
Well as far as I'm concernced skolsvenska kan määntä helvettiin as long as I'm allowed to speak Ostrobothnian swedish whereever I am:D Besides it can one can speak english since everyone understands english.Unfortunately you can't :( A year ago or so it was announced that Swedish speakers should speak standard Swedish in e.g court to become understood.

And it's quite peculiar situation when 2 Finns have to speak English to understand each others... But that was the case when I had an Ostrobothnian Swedish speaker as a flat mate, his Finnish was so poor one can imagine! At the same time I had a Swedish speaker from Capital area as a flat mate also, and he neither could understand the other flat mate. It still surprizes me how the "umpiruotsinkielinen" was able to shape up so far away from home...

Susisaari
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 02:18 AM
These kind of develpments what Finland went trough in 19th would been also samekind under the swedish rule.


I don't think so. If Finland had not been conquered by Russia in 1808, it would have remained a part of Sweden forever.



I think that swedish empire would had gone to a new glory when 19th centuries new ideologies were coming to fashion like romantic nationalism..etc.


I think so too. But I disagree with your idea that Sweden should have participated in the first world war. I don't like wars, and the first world war was a totally unnecessary war.



Why remove swedish language.It would be better if we would start learning swedish right from the 1st class,then nobody would had any problems.


It would have been much better if the Finnish language had died in the 17th or 18th century. Then we wouldn't have these unnecessary language problems. I don't think the Finnish language has any intrinsic value.

But in the current situation, I think Swedish is a totally unnecessary language in Finnish schools, and I think Finland should be a unilingual country on the national level. Swedish should be used as an official language only at the local level in municipalities where over 10% of the inhabitants speak Swedish.

Mannerheim
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 07:09 PM
I don't think so. If Finland had not been conquered by Russia in 1808, it would have remained a part of Sweden forever.



I think so too. But I disagree with your idea that Sweden should have participated in the first world war. I don't like wars, and the first world war was a totally unnecessary war.



It would have been much better if the Finnish language had died in the 17th or 18th century. Then we wouldn't have these unnecessary language problems. I don't think the Finnish language has any intrinsic value.

But in the current situation, I think Swedish is a totally unnecessary language in Finnish schools, and I think Finland should be a unilingual country on the national level. Swedish should be used as an official language only at the local level in municipalities where over 10% of the inhabitants speak Swedish.


Agree in all but i think ww1 would had not been useless if Germany only would had won.

And i agree totally that finnish language should had die in 16th or 17th or at least in 18th.In the 19th,it would had been too late LIKE IT WAS !

Just cause swedish is prettier.I think any sane finn will admit this.

Lissu
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 08:02 PM
Agree in all but i think ww1 would had not been useless if Germany only would had won.

And i agree totally that finnish language should had die in 16th or 17th or at least in 18th.In the 19th,it would had been too late LIKE IT WAS !

Just cause swedish is prettier.I think any sane finn will admit this.I consider myself more or less sane and I love my language, there is no better language for Finns than Finnish.

I see you are not a nationalist. Well I am.

Susisaari
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 08:31 PM
I consider myself more or less sane and I love my language, there is no better language for Finns than Finnish.

I see you are not a nationalist. Well I am.


You can be a Finnish nationalist and still prefer the Swedish language, just like you can be an Irish nationalist and still prefer the English language over the dead Irish language. I think it would have been better if Finnish had died out like Irish.

Here's a little something to tease you:

1
Landet med tusende öar och skär, (http://www.mhbibl.aland.fi/eng/alandica/alsang/Alanningens_sang.mp3)
danat ur havsvågors sköte,
Åland, vårt Åland, vår hembygd det är,
dig går vår längtan till möte!
Forngravars kummel i hängbjörkars skygd
tälja din tusenårssaga.
Aldrig förgäta vi fädernas bygd,
vart vi i fjärrled än draga.

2
Skönt är vårt Åland, när fjärdar och sund
blåna i vårljusa dagar,
ljuvt är att vandra i skog och i lund,
i strändernas blommande hagar.
Midsommarstången mot aftonröd sky
reses av villiga händer,
ytterst i utskärens fiskareby
ungdomen vårdkasar tänder.



3
Skönt är vårt Åland, när vågsvallet yr
högt mot de mäktiga stupen,
när under stjärnhimlen kyrkfolket styr
över de islagda djupen.
Ryter än stormen, i stugornas ro
spinnrocken sjunger sin visa;
minnet av barndomens hägnande bo
sönerna lyckligast prisa.
4
Aldrig har åländska kvinnor och män
svikit sin stam och dess ära;
ofärd oss hotat, men segervisst än
frihetens arvsrätt vi bära.
Högt skall det klinga, vårt svenska språk,
tala med manande stämma,
lysa vår väg som en flammande båk,
visa var vi äro hemma.

Mannerheim
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 09:31 PM
You can be a Finnish nationalist and still prefer the Swedish language, just like you can be an Irish nationalist and still prefer the English language over the dead Irish language. I think it would have been better if Finnish had died out like Irish.

Here's a little something to tease you:

1
Landet med tusende öar och skär, (http://www.mhbibl.aland.fi/eng/alandica/alsang/Alanningens_sang.mp3)
danat ur havsvågors sköte,
Åland, vårt Åland, vår hembygd det är,
dig går vår längtan till möte!
Forngravars kummel i hängbjörkars skygd
tälja din tusenårssaga.
Aldrig förgäta vi fädernas bygd,
vart vi i fjärrled än draga.

2
Skönt är vårt Åland, när fjärdar och sund
blåna i vårljusa dagar,
ljuvt är att vandra i skog och i lund,
i strändernas blommande hagar.
Midsommarstången mot aftonröd sky
reses av villiga händer,
ytterst i utskärens fiskareby
ungdomen vårdkasar tänder.



3
Skönt är vårt Åland, när vågsvallet yr
högt mot de mäktiga stupen,
när under stjärnhimlen kyrkfolket styr
över de islagda djupen.
Ryter än stormen, i stugornas ro
spinnrocken sjunger sin visa;
minnet av barndomens hägnande bo
sönerna lyckligast prisa.
4
Aldrig har åländska kvinnor och män
svikit sin stam och dess ära;
ofärd oss hotat, men segervisst än
frihetens arvsrätt vi bära.
Högt skall det klinga, vårt svenska språk,
tala med manande stämma,
lysa vår väg som en flammande båk,
visa var vi äro hemma.

I think that sub-types are better than nations.I mean im not nationalis in traditional sense but more like racial nationalist.Sounds weird.:-O

Example i would like nordid person no matter what is her/his origin,no matter where is she/he originally from.

So i would form nations by racial standards.

Of course i like Finland but i just think that swedish language is superior cause its nicer to ears.Finnish language is so dull and some limit,strange and primitive.Not to mention some dialects like karjalan or savon murteet.

I hate those dialects.They sound so retarded.


Cheers

Patrioten
Wednesday, May 24th, 2006, 09:52 PM
I for one don't mind listening to spoken finnish, i think it's a pleasant language, sounds very rural which i like, even though i can only understand a few words.

And about Sweden's glorious past, we were indeed something to be proud of, too bad most of the Swedish males with a fighting spirit seem to have perished in our many wars centuries ago.

óðinn
Sunday, May 28th, 2006, 08:04 AM
I must agree with Patrik at least it's the best language in the world when you're mad at something. No langauge is better to swear in than finnish.

Mannerheim
Monday, May 29th, 2006, 08:35 PM
Anyway, I wonder why in the entire Skadi forum only pack of crazy Finns keep attacking Russians... But you guys look pathetic... I repeat again - Finns are useless nation of brainless people without any contribution to European culture!

You better use your head my russian friend why we keep attacking russians.

If you dont understand i can give the answer

Simply we dont like them.:D Cause they are inferior to all and in all aspects and that is proved fact.At once when we got out from Russia in 1917,everything started to go better cause there was no anymore this rottening effect.


Finland have contributed much more to world if you proport this to population and we have just now started to get some great results in the field of inventions when we have got out of Russia and their frightening influence(soviet-union).

Btw,why the world biggest country treats its neighbours so badly ?Finland,Estonia,Georgia.Why does all hate Russia and russians? Allthough Russias neighbours have not given any reason to example continuative air space insults.

And the inventions are coming bigger and greater continually in Finland.Example medicine and gene researches are one of the bests in the whole world in Finland

We have example molotov cocktail

Suomi konepistooli what was very advantegeous against russian bolshevism and russian ...........

http://www.yle.fi/teema/aihekuvat/tiede/keksinnot/Suomi-konepistooli190.jpg

A.I Virtanen

http://www.uku.fi/aivi/



Pulse counter

http://images.google.fi/images?svnum=10&hl=fi&lr=&q=pulse%20%20counter&btnG=Hae&sa=N&tab=wi



Nokia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol

We finns take care our teeths unlike......




Our technology is way superior than russians.They just try to concentrate to their army just like in the good old SU times but that is started to go bad as well as the other thingies in Russia.

Russian/soviets(whatever,they are the same) would never had had the A-bomb if their spy wouldn had got the info stealen from the americans or also the info stealen from Germanys kaiser wilhelm institute.



Our school system is also one of the bests in the world and Russias school system is ....well, not so good.


Finland is one of the purest and cleanest countriest in the world and in Russia there is...well,not so clean.

Our living standards are one of the highest and Russias is...well not so high.


There is also much more high-tech knowing experts in Finland than in Russia.


Why do you always say finns havent contributed anything to europe.We have been very small and poor nation in the past bullied by the big goljat from the east and our location have been very outlying(not anymore thanks to technology).So there simply havent been the resource to do anything but you see now when we have resources - We are almost always in the top 10 in all good researches and Russia is always between africa and south-america.

I have always wondered why Russia damages,injures and spoils everything what it touches for exampl the nature(it have been ruined by many points)and their exploiting of industry is one of the 8th stupidest wonders in the world.

Country what could easily be worlds richest,best militarily and most prosporous world power(thank god that its not) when you look its size and nature material amount and quality is still just nothing..never been and never will.SU was just big joke.


What have you done so great that you can so openly critize finns for beeing so un-inventive people ? You are now acting just like typical russian.

Just talking.

Ahti
Thursday, June 1st, 2006, 06:34 PM
And i agree totally that finnish language should had die in 16th or 17th or at least in 18th.In the 19th,it would had been too late LIKE IT WAS !

Just cause swedish is prettier.I think any sane finn will admit this.
I am perfectly sane in my opinion, and so far no doctor has claimed the contrary. I am also all in it when it comes to Fenno-Skandinavian brotherhood - i believe our closest relatives are found in Baltics and in Scandinavia.

Still i think this opinion was a big load of crap. [...] :thumbdown

We are basically just like the swedes when it comes to race, but our language and many parts of our culture are not. This is not a bad thing, its a good thing. I for one am damn proud of my ancestors, My Finnish heritage and culture. Nothing will change that.

I am not pleased at all with you.

Siegmund
Thursday, June 1st, 2006, 11:33 PM
Topic is "Sweden's 17th century might!" not Finns vs. Russians. Please stay on topic.

Lissu
Thursday, June 1st, 2006, 11:45 PM
Topic is "Sweden's 17th century might!" not Finns vs. Russians. Please stay on topic.I am also sick and tired for the flame wars which IMHO have no place here on a Germanic forum.

It would really be nice. Besides I'm totally aware that Finns and Russians are merely guests here because after all Skadi is a GERMANIC forum. Guests should act as one...

Mannerheim
Thursday, June 1st, 2006, 11:48 PM
I am perfectly sane in my opinion, and so far no doctor has claimed the contrary. I am also all in it when it comes to Fenno-Skandinavian brotherhood - i believe our closest relatives are found in Baltics and in Scandinavia.

Still i think this opinion was a big load of crap. [...] :thumbdown

We are basically just like the swedes when it comes to race, but our language and many parts of our culture are not. This is not a bad thing, its a good thing. I for one am damn proud of my ancestors, My Finnish heritage and culture. Nothing will change that.

I am not pleased at all with you.

I think rikssvenska sound much richer than finnish.Im not finnish swede nor i have any swedish ancestry(ok,my greatgrandfather was finnishswede.but thats it)

I love my own people but i just said that the language isnt that great imho.We can have friendly differencies ?

But so what if the language isnt the best.Most important is that the people are the best.Language is then secondary.

Mannerheim
Thursday, June 1st, 2006, 11:52 PM
I am also sick and tired for the flame wars which IMHO have no place here on a Germanic forum.

It would really be nice. Besides I'm totally aware that Finns and Russians are merely guests here because after all Skadi is a GERMANIC forum. Guests should act as one...

What quests we are if we have our own sub-forum ?

There is over 10 active finnish posters on skadi and number is increasing.