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Bridie
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 03:33 PM
There's no delicate way to put this.... I'm wondering how other Mums feel about their kids having non-white friends? Or even if the majority of their friends are non-white?

In the area that I live in there are many Asians (mostly Chinese, Japanese and Malaysian), so inevitably many of my son's friends from school are of these backgrounds.... wouldn't bother me so much if he weren't actually a minority!! I don't particularly like my son being a minority in my own friggin' country.... but anyway, that's a different complaint....

What actually worries me the most (as silly as it sounds) is that possibly one day one of my kids could marry and have kids with a non-white. I just don't know how I would cope with this.

How do others feel? How would you cope with it if your child grew up to have non-white kids?

I've been thinking about this more lately.... especially since so many of the outings I go on with mums from my son's school, where we take our kids places, I'm often the only non-Asian mum there. :-O I went to one of my son's friend's birthday party yesterday and about 70% of the kids were Asian. :|

QuietWind
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 04:09 PM
I believe that children need to be able to live in and deal with the world around them. When they grow up and have a job, they will nto be the only white. When they go to college, they will nto be the only white. When they pump their gas, dine in a restaraunt, buy their clothing, they will not deal only with whites.

There is a difference between friends, acquaintences, and people you simply come in contact with. I wouldn't invite the Indian down the street who runs the gas station to come home and have dinner with me, so why would I invite the mexican in my child's classroom to come over and stay the night? Playing at school, church, playgroups, etc. is how children learn to interact with people in life. It is through these interactions that they learn to work together with others, share, communicate, and problem solve. It is no different than if they are in an office working alongside co-workers of various racial types. It is also though these playtimes that children are taught to use discretion. When it is appropriate to say things, and when it is not. It would not be wise to get upset at your boss and call him a n!663r, and likewise, it would not be wise for your child to call some child in the classroom one. Learning control and restraint is a virtue. Nothing is accomplished through being sent to deetention, or alternative school, with marks on your permanent record.

Interaction and acquaintences with minorities is something that cannot be avoided in life because of the society we live in. We must teach our children to be proud of their heritage and how to be smart about it. This doesn't mean you have to invite them home or encourage bonding with them.

I once had a professor who was married to a black woman. Their mulatto child was in my daughter's class at school. Do you think I excluded that child from being invited to my daughter's birthday party? It was this same professor who I had for a class in which I stood up and gave an oral report on Mein Kampf. ;) I got an "A." Do you think I would have gotten the same grade had I exposed myself and excluded his son from my daughter's birthday? My daughter did not hang out with the son at any time other than in school and that one time at her birthday.

I'd like to write more on this topic, but I need to get going to go see my mom on mother's day. I should have left the house already! :D

Northern Paladin
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 10:04 PM
There's no delicate way to put this.... I'm wondering how other Mums feel about their kids having non-white friends? Or even if the majority of their friends are non-white?

In the area that I live in there are many Asians (mostly Chinese, Japanese and Malaysian), so inevitably many of my son's friends from school are of these backgrounds.... wouldn't bother me so much if he weren't actually a minority!! I don't particularly like my son being a minority in my own friggin' country.... but anyway, that's a different complaint....

What actually worries me the most (as silly as it sounds) is that possibly one day one of my kids could marry and have kids with a non-white. I just don't know how I would cope with this.

How do others feel? How would you cope with it if your child grew up to have non-white kids?

I've been thinking about this more lately.... especially since so many of the outings I go on with mums from my son's school, where we take our kids places, I'm often the only non-Asian mum there. :-O I went to one of my son's friend's birthday party yesterday and about 70% of the kids were Asian. :|

So you live in an Asian neighborhood? No wonder your posting on this forum!:D From what your telling me I get the impression Asians are taking over Australia.

Just ask your son the question are you attracted to asian girls and you will find out! It's more often times true that white men are attracted to asian women than vice versa!

When he gets older monitor the kind of porn he watches just to be sure!

Well if most of his friends are asian you can expect the chances of your bloodline mixing are much higher. Maybe they will have the loveliest slanted blue eyes you ever did see and you will regret being a narrow minded racist.:D

You have to accept your children will make their own decisions despite your best efforts.

Northern Paladin's fortune coookie say yal childrin will have slanted blue eyes. :chinese :D

Have you talked to your son about this issue?

Northern Paladin
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 10:10 PM
I believe that children need to be able to live in and deal with the world around them. When they grow up and have a job, they will nto be the only white. When they go to college, they will nto be the only white. When they pump their gas, dine in a restaraunt, buy their clothing, they will not deal only with whites.

There is a difference between friends, acquaintences, and people you simply come in contact with. I wouldn't invite the Indian down the street who runs the gas station to come home and have dinner with me, so why would I invite the mexican in my child's classroom to come over and stay the night? Playing at school, church, playgroups, etc. is how children learn to interact with people in life. It is through these interactions that they learn to work together with others, share, communicate, and problem solve. It is no different than if they are in an office working alongside co-workers of various racial types. It is also though these playtimes that children are taught to use discretion. When it is appropriate to say things, and when it is not. It would not be wise to get upset at your boss and call him a n!663r, and likewise, it would not be wise for your child to call some child in the classroom one. Learning control and restraint is a virtue. Nothing is accomplished through being sent to deetention, or alternative school, with marks on your permanent record.

Interaction and acquaintences with minorities is something that cannot be avoided in life because of the society we live in. We must teach our children to be proud of their heritage and how to be smart about it. This doesn't mean you have to invite them home or encourage bonding with them.

I once had a professor who was married to a black woman. Their mulatto child was in my daughter's class at school. Do you think I excluded that child from being invited to my daughter's birthday party? It was this same professor who I had for a class in which I stood up and gave an oral report on Mein Kampf. ;) I got an "A." Do you think I would have gotten the same grade had I exposed myself and excluded his son from my daughter's birthday? My daughter did not hang out with the son at any time other than in school and that one time at her birthday.

I'd like to write more on this topic, but I need to get going to go see my mom on mother's day. I should have left the house already! :D

Very practical woman lol.:D I think we should teach our children our values but accept that in the end the decision is up to them. And I have to say Segregation for the most part is natural especially when your kids get older and have a better understanding of identity.

Take my college for example it is very diverse but for the most part White kids hang out with White kids...blacks with blacks...asians with asians...ect...

Ămeric
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 11:50 PM
It's an interesting dilemma. What kind of attitude will your child develope towards race relations if in an integrated enviroment? I had practically no interaction with non-Europoids until I was 11. What experiences I had after that age in school helped me develope a realistic view of other races. Some of the most liberal Whites are those who have never dealt with non-Whites as "equals", that is as neighbors, co-workers or schoolmates. However it's probably not good for your child to be the minority at his school. He could develope a negative attitude about himself & try to identify with Asians. This happens to White kids in America who are minorities at their schools & they can began to identify with Negro or Latino culture which eventually leads to miscegnation.

I have a cousin who lives in a community that is nearly all-White. Her daughter who never attended school with a non-Europoid went away to college. There she had her first interactions with non-Whites. She meet a Mulatto boy ( Negro father/White mother) whom she eventually married. My cousin now has two lovely quadroon grandchildren. Had my cousin's daughter know a few Negroes growing up she may have know better than to get involved with one as an adult.

Northern Paladin
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 04:58 AM
It's an interesting dilemma. What kind of attitude will your child develope towards race relations if in an integrated enviroment? I had practically no interaction with non-Europoids until I was 11. What experiences I had after that age in school helped me develope a realistic view of other races. Some of the most liberal Whites are those who have never dealt with non-Whites as "equals", that is as neighbors, co-workers or schoolmates. However it's probably not good for your child to be the minority at his school. He could develope a negative attitude about himself & try to identify with Asians. This happens to White kids in America who are minorities at their schools & they can began to identify with Negro or Latino culture which eventually leads to miscegnation.

I have a cousin who lives in a community that is nearly all-White. Her daughter who never attended school with a non-Europoid went away to college. There she had her first interactions with non-Whites. She meet a Mulatto boy ( Negro father/White mother) whom she eventually married. My cousin now has two lovely quadroon grandchildren. Had my cousin's daughter know a few Negroes growing up she may have know better than to get involved with one as an adult.

Genetics could be an influence as well. I believe what attracts us to another person is heavily influenced by genetics. Some people feel no attraction to blacks or other non-whites no matter how much exposure others actively seek to find a non-white partner esp white guy asian girl though having little exoposure to asian culture. Other factors could be involved as well. Perhaps there is something about White men that your cousin doesn't like perhaps she has more control and feels more valued by the Mulatto she is married to.

Miscegnation may be complex but I believe if examined at every angle it can be understood though not neccearly prevented.

Bridie
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 06:48 AM
Thanks for your responses guys! :)


We must teach our children to be proud of their heritage and how to be smart about it.

That's so true. :)


This doesn't mean you have to invite them home or encourage bonding with them.

The thing is if I don't invite them over and encourage his friendships with them, he may very well be a social reject in his class.... and I won't have this, of course.

The problem with moving to an all-white area, is that there aren't really any. I guess some areas have more anglo/celts than others though. However, we don't actually live in an "Asian area".... but since its fairly affluent, there is of course a larger proportion of Asians. :thumbdown A suburb not too far from me is about 85% Singaporean, and the other 15% is made up of other Asians and some few anglos. :-O



From what your telling me I get the impression Asians are taking over Australia.
:( :(



Just ask your son the question are you attracted to asian girls and you will find out! It's more often times true that white men are attracted to asian women than vice versa!

When he gets older monitor the kind of porn he watches just to be sure!

My son is only 5!!! :-O :-O He's not attracted to girls yet!! (Actually, he tells me that he's going to marry me one day!! LMAO :lol ) He's only a baby! :baby

And don't even talk about porn.... :stop :puke I hope that I will raise my son to have a healthy attitude towards sex and females. Nevertheless, I can't see that porn has anything to do with attraction to certain races.... porn is not about looking at potential partners! :-O The attraction is somewhat perverted and based on animal instincts, not on higher order feelings.



He could develope a negative attitude about himself & try to identify with Asians.
:wtf Oh God, I hope not! ;( He already talks about wanting to use chop sticks.... he gets his knife and fork and pretends that they're chop sticks... :|



And as for this little nugget of wisdom...:-O ....

Maybe they will have the loveliest slanted blue eyes you ever did see and you will regret being a narrow minded racist.:D
Northern Paladin's fortune coookie say yal childrin will have slanted blue eyes. :chinese :D
.... now Nancy.... :sway I will never regret being a narrow minded racist! :D :P Slanted eyes are never lovely anyway imo... :| ....

Northern Paladin
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 07:05 AM
My son is only 5!!! :-O :-O He's not attracted to girls yet!! (Actually, he tells me that he's going to marry me one day!! LMAO :lol ) He's only a baby! :baby

And don't even talk about porn.... :stop :puke I hope that I will raise my son to have a healthy attitude towards sex and females. Nevertheless, I can't see that porn has anything to do with attraction to certain races.... porn is not about looking at potential partners! :-O The attraction is somewhat perverted and based on animal instincts, not on higher order feelings.

:wtf Oh God, I hope not! ;( He already talks about wanting to use chop sticks.... he gets his knife and fork and pretends that they're chop sticks... :|

And as for this little nugget of wisdom...:-O ....

.... now Nancy.... :sway I will never regret being a narrow minded racist! :D :P Slanted eyes are never lovely anyway imo... :| ....

I gurantee when he's ten he will think eww I liked a white woman sick!:D
I can see your son 7 years from now he is catching a fly with a chop stick trying to impress a Chinese girl he has a huge crush on. :wsg

Just wait 10 years time will vindicate me.:P

Asian porn ignorant woman duh....have you been living under a Rock? Sex=reproduction mother nature makes no distinction between lust and marrriage.

Here's Chef Spencer's receipe for Mixed Race Children;)...Take one impressionable 5 year old Aussie boy+Raise him in Chinatown+Ignorant controlling Mother+Built in Fetish for Asian school girls and voila! Mixed Race Babies by the Kangaroo Pouch Full. Bon Appetite!


Thanks for your responses guys! :)


That's so true. :)


The thing is if I don't invite them over and encourage his friendships with them, he may very well be a social reject in his class.... and I won't have this, of course.

The problem with moving to an all-white area, is that there aren't really any. I guess some areas have more anglo/celts than others though. However, we don't actually live in an "Asian area".... but since its fairly affluent, there is of course a larger proportion of Asians. :thumbdown A suburb not too far from me is about 85% Singaporean, and the other 15% is made up of other Asians and some few anglos. :-O


My advice send your Son to a boarding school in London. Next thing you know he comes home with a Paki.:D

So in Australia the White people are poor and Asians rich? In America it's different the richest people are still White. So how Asian is Australia you make it sound like it's majority Asian?:-O

Blood_Axis
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 09:06 AM
When living in a multicultural ernvironment like most of us do, it is not an option to shut your kids off any interactions with other races.

It is both practically impossible as well not recommendable, since by rule of thumb, it will increase the curiosity of your kids for the forbidden, and out of reaction, it will drive them even more towards interracial relationships even if they normally would not be inclined to it.

I would say that the best option is to teach your kids awareness, pride and values.

If they are taught their heritage eversince they are very young, they will be growing up with a distinct sense of identity and pride for their racial/cultural background. In that way, they will be -hopefully- able to interact with members of other races in such a neutral way that they will realize racial/cultural differences without being confused about their own identities.

For example: I have not had any acquaintances of different race myself. I would like to exchange views with a Japanese, though, since I deeply admire their culture and history. Should that happen, though, we would both be aware of our distinctiveness and would never engage into anything beyond conversation or let either of our heritages be contaminated by foreign cultural elements.

I think that if you have a strong sense of identity, then you have nothing to fear. Like a friend once said "the biggest problem of Europeans is Europeans themselves".
Indeed, if we had not been contaminated by problematic ideas in the first place, then the problem of multiculturalism would not have found fertile soil to flourish.

Bridie
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Asian porn ignorant woman duh....have you been living under a Rock? Sex=reproduction mother nature makes no distinction between lust and marrriage.
I know you were talking about Asian porn you f****** moron :D .... you are very psychologically immature if you think that there is no distinction between lust and marriage.... there is a huge distinction. And as for "mother nature", well as far as she's concerned there is no marriage. Have you never noticed that this is a cultural institution?? ;)



Here's Chef Spencer's receipe for Mixed Race Children;)...Take one impressionable 5 year old Aussie boy+Raise him in Chinatown+Ignorant controlling Mother+Built in Fetish for Asian school girls and voila! Mixed Race Babies by the Kangaroo Pouch Full. Bon Appetite!
Chef Spencer needs a bloody good hiding I think. :fviking: If you've got a thing for Asians, that's your own problem mate! :throwup



So in Australia the White people are poor and Asians rich? In America it's different the richest people are still White. So how Asian is Australia you make it sound like it's majority Asian?:-O
The richest people in the US are Jews from what I've been told.... :confused

No, its not that the Asians are the wealthiest.... just that the majority Asians that come to Australia are either really rich, or really poor (a lot of them refugees). Its not that the majority of people here are Asian either, its just that there are found everywhere in the city. In the rural areas (in WA anyway), the only non-whites that you'll really find are aborigines.

On the positive side though, inter-racial mixing is relatively rare here. :tired2: (For now.)



I would like to exchange views with a Japanese, though, since I deeply admire their culture and history.
I find it strange that so many here on these sorts of discussion boards so readily declare admiration for Asians.... I'm wondering if many of you are aware of just how much they despise and feel superior to Europeans (and those of European heritage).

And the Japanese are the most hateful in my exerience.... we are typically stereotyped by them as "big" (fat and tall - always stated with a look of utter disgust on the face), ugly, greedy, unintelligent, lazy, smelly and dirty. I recall being a uni yrs ago, standing next to a group of Japanese girls and they were laughing hysterically.... a Malay comes over so they spoke in English for a bit for their sake and all along they were laughing about how you can smell a European before you can see them.... they stink apparently. :oanieyes According to them we shouldn't eat so much beef and dairy.

Asians DESPISE whites.... I hope you all realise that.

Perhaps you're all used to the negroes and Mexicans or something, who don't truly hold the same "high and mighty" attitude that Asians do.



I would say that the best option is to teach your kids awareness, pride and values.
Good advice, thank you. :) :thumbup

Blood_Axis
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 01:41 PM
I find it strange that so many here on these sorts of discussion boards so readily declare admiration for Asians.... I'm wondering if many of you are aware of just how much they despise and feel superior to Europeans (and those of European heritage).

I must admit that I have never been in contact with an asian so I have no experience with what you say. It is not the first time I hear this.

To me, that bears no difference to the "white power" fanatics. If you accept those, then why should you not acccept that it is natural that there should exist their asian counterparts.

I am against racial hatred and "superiority" claims just as I am against racial mixing. I think that all races have a right to exist, but they should keep to themselves. I am not at all bothered by asians that live in Asia, let's say.

However, I find it honorable for them, not that they despise whites, but that they are proud, they have a strong sense of identity, and are unwilling to mix with other races. Would you rather be despised by an Asian or have them marrying your daughters? I certainly would prefer the former ;)

Bridie
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 01:54 PM
I must admit that I have never been in contact with an asian so I have no experience with what you say. It is not the first time I hear this.

To me, that bears no difference to the "white power" fanatics. If you accept those, then why should you not acccept that it is natural that there should exist their asian counterparts.

I am against racial hatred and "superiority" claims just as I am against racial mixing. I think that all races have a right to exist, but they should keep to themselves. I am not at all bothered by asians that live in Asia, let's say.

However, I find it honorable for them, not that they despise whites, but that they are proud, they have a strong sense of identity, and are unwilling to mix with other races. Would you rather be despised by an Asian or have them marrying your daughters? I certainly would prefer the former ;)
I don't think that its just a minority of fanatics amongst the Asians that feel superior to Europeans though.... its ingrained into many of their cultures. Particularly the Japanese. A minority of fanatics... that wouldn't bother me either. :)

I'm not worried about Asians that live in Asia either, but they are flooding Australia.... :|

Sorry, its just a sore point with me. ;) :D Of course, I'm not debating your right to hold your own opinion. :)

Blood_Axis
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 02:01 PM
I'm not worried about Asians that live in Asia either, but they are flooding Australia....

Yes, that is what differentiated our arguments in the first place ;)

When I said that I would like to learn about the Japanese culture, I meant it via a Japanese that lives in Japan.
And while I would not nag if I was discriminated against in Japan (after all, it is their right not to want me there), I would certainly not tolerate being harassed by Asians in my own country!

So I guess that in the bottom line, we are saying the same thing ;)

QuietWind
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 03:22 PM
I don't think that its just a minority of fanatics amongst the Asians that feel superior to Europeans though.... its ingrained into many of their cultures. Particularly the Japanese. A minority of fanatics... that wouldn't bother me either. :)


I never got this feeling when I lived in Japan or other places. From my experiences, they were very welcoming of whites (Americans). We were very much in Japanese communities also, not isolated among our own. We lived out in a community surrounded by Japanese. We attended a (Christian) church which was in Japanese, and wholly consisted of Japanese (other than one other). We participated in cultural exchange programs. Etc.

I will say that a strong cultural sense in asian countries is to be expected. Primarily they are collectivist cultures, while we tend to be induviduist cultures. While we are encouraging independence in our children and looking out for number 1, they are encouraging the welfare of the whole over the part and that number 1 is no one without numbers 2, 3, 4,5, etc.

Ămeric
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 04:17 PM
Perhaps there is something about White men that your cousin doesn't like perhaps she has more control and feels more valued by the Mulatto she is married to.

Miscegnation may be complex but I believe if examined at every angle it can be understood though not neccearly prevented.
This girl is very smart. But she comes from a relatively small community outside of the mainstream culture. Perhaps she identified multiracial relationships with "enlightenment". Conservative racial views are considered "ignorant". I think the MTV culture had something to do with it & the liberal enviroment she came in contact with at college. From what I've heard from younger relatives it is not unusual for girls from insular White communities to "hookup" with Negroes or Latinos when they go away to college. For many of them this is their first real experience with minorities.

Northern Paladin
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 08:47 PM
I know you were talking about Asian porn you f****** moron :D .... you are very psychologically immature if you think that there is no distinction between lust and marriage.... there is a huge distinction. And as for "mother nature", well as far as she's concerned there is no marriage. Have you never noticed that this is a cultural institution?? ;)


Chef Spencer needs a bloody good hiding I think. :fviking: If you've got a thing for Asians, that's your own problem mate! :throwup



The richest people in the US are Jews from what I've been told.... :confused

No, its not that the Asians are the wealthiest.... just that the majority Asians that come to Australia are either really rich, or really poor (a lot of them refugees). Its not that the majority of people here are Asian either, its just that there are found everywhere in the city. In the rural areas (in WA anyway), the only non-whites that you'll really find are aborigines.

On the positive side though, inter-racial mixing is relatively rare here. :tired2: (For now.)



I find it strange that so many here on these sorts of discussion boards so readily declare admiration for Asians.... I'm wondering if many of you are aware of just how much they despise and feel superior to Europeans (and those of European heritage).

And the Japanese are the most hateful in my exerience.... we are typically stereotyped by them as "big" (fat and tall - always stated with a look of utter disgust on the face), ugly, greedy, unintelligent, lazy, smelly and dirty. I recall being a uni yrs ago, standing next to a group of Japanese girls and they were laughing hysterically.... a Malay comes over so they spoke in English for a bit for their sake and all along they were laughing about how you can smell a European before you can see them.... they stink apparently. :oanieyes According to them we shouldn't eat so much beef and dairy.


The Richest people America are Asian in terms of income. The richest people in America in term of total assets held are of course Whites. Here asians tend to be minorities in rich suburban neighborhoods not majorities unless you go to California or Hawaii. My neighborhood is all white with a few Asians and a few Jews.

Can you honestly say those observations don't apply(Aussies smell)? :D Apparently you just need some good antiperspirant.

On the other hand a lot of those Stereotypes that Asians have obviously come from a sense of inferiority.

lady_goth
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Personally, I feel our children should not develop friendships with non-White kids; this would encourage race-mixing down the road for them. As a young girl, I knew very few non-White kids, and the few I did know(black, mexican, asian) were not pleasant to deal with. When left to their own devices, most children prefer to socialize with their own kind, anyway.

Bridie
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 03:39 PM
I never got this feeling when I lived in Japan or other places. From my experiences, they were very welcoming of whites (Americans). We were very much in Japanese communities also, not isolated among our own. We lived out in a community surrounded by Japanese. We attended a (Christian) church which was in Japanese, and wholly consisted of Japanese (other than one other). We participated in cultural exchange programs. Etc.

See, that's just got to be the difference between Asians that live in Asia and ones that live in Australia then.... (excepting Koreans, Indonesians and Malaysians imo, who are generally quite warm and friendly). Perhaps they do tend to feel isolated and discriminated against when residing in Australia so they lash out by being racist towards us, who knows? I don't care either... they just shouldn't be here in the first place. (In large numbers anyway. I don't have any problem with small numbers of Asian immigrants/refugees.)

I'm sure that if Europeans were invading and taking over their countries in the way that Asians are doing with Australia, you would find much resentment towards whites in Asian countries. If indeed they are so accepting of whites in Asia, it must surely be testament to them not perceiving us as a threat... and with good reason.... I would say due to such small numbers of whites who visit/reside there....



I will say that a strong cultural sense in asian countries is to be expected. Primarily they are collectivist cultures, while we tend to be induviduist cultures. While we are encouraging independence in our children and looking out for number 1, they are encouraging the welfare of the whole over the part and that number 1 is no one without numbers 2, 3, 4,5, etc.
Honestly, I think of Japan as being one of the world's most materialistic, individualist countries in the world today. Its all about ME ME ME MONEY MONEY MONEY there now. At one time they were as you speak, but not anymore, from what I know. At least not in the cities. Their societies are breaking down too. But then, I've never even visited Japan let alone lived there... but I know quite a few Japanese people, and I'm just going on what they have told me, and current affairs/news programs that I've seen, books that I've read etc. Apparently the abortion rate is out of control over there now. Even China is rapidly changing in modern times, from what I've been told by Chinese ladies that I know. They say that they barely recognise China now when they go home to visit.

Capitalism rears its ugly head in the East too....


*edited to say* I just thought of another thing as well.... I have a friend who married an Japanese woman and was living in Japan for about 7 yrs.... he told me that the Japanese are generally of the belief that they are a "pure race" and thereby superior to others (superior to other Asians, as well as the rest of the world). I don't know how true this is, but he said that they are generally very proud of this "purity" and it gives them a sense of superiority - he encountered much prejudice as a white over there due to this, particularly marrying a Japanese woman. Now, I'm not criticising them for this, but it just goes to illustrate their cultural mindset perhaps? I don't know for sure, of course.

QuietWind
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 05:50 PM
See, that's just got to be the difference between Asians that live in Asia and ones that live in Australia then.... (excepting Koreans, Indonesians and Malaysians imo, who are generally quite warm and friendly). Perhaps they do tend to feel isolated and discriminated against when residing in Australia so they lash out by being racist towards us, who knows? I don't care either... they just shouldn't be here in the first place. (In large numbers anyway. I don't have any problem with small numbers of Asian immigrants/refugees.)

I'm sure that if Europeans were invading and taking over their countries in the way that Asians are doing with Australia, you would find much resentment towards whites in Asian countries. If indeed they are so accepting of whites in Asia, it must surely be testament to them not perceiving us as a threat... and with good reason.... I would say due to such small numbers of whites who visit/reside there....



Honestly, I think of Japan as being one of the world's most materialistic, individualist countries in the world today. Its all about ME ME ME MONEY MONEY MONEY there now. At one time they were as you speak, but not anymore, from what I know. At least not in the cities. Their societies are breaking down too. But then, I've never even visited Japan let alone lived there... but I know quite a few Japanese people, and I'm just going on what they have told me, and current affairs/news programs that I've seen, books that I've read etc. Apparently the abortion rate is out of control over there now. Even China is rapidly changing in modern times, from what I've been told by Chinese ladies that I know. They say that they barely recognise China now when they go home to visit.

Capitalism rears its ugly head in the East too....


*edited to say* I just thought of another thing as well.... I have a friend who married an Japanese woman and was living in Japan for about 7 yrs.... he told me that the Japanese are generally of the belief that they are a "pure race" and thereby superior to others (superior to other Asians, as well as the rest of the world). I don't know how true this is, but he said that they are generally very proud of this "purity" and it gives them a sense of superiority - he encountered much prejudice as a white over there due to this, particularly marrying a Japanese woman. Now, I'm not criticising them for this, but it just goes to illustrate their cultural mindset perhaps? I don't know for sure, of course.


Maybe it is just Japanese in Australia. I haven't been to Australia, so I do not know how people act there.

Perceptions can make a big difference in how people percieve things also. Two people could go to Japan and have very different opinions of the people. Also, people generally look for things to support their beliefs. If one person went to Japan and had a negative view of Japanese, then one bumped into him on the subway, it would confirm his belief, ignoring all the polite people he came in contact with (This is just an example, not referring to anyone in particular).

According to social scientists, asians are still primarily collectivist cultures. You may be right about the tide of this changing, but I haven't read anything on it yet. I wouldn't think that materialism has anything to do with this factor. Even a collectivist group can be materialistic--they just do it as a group rather than a lone ranger. :P Honestly though, I have not seen anything that talks about individualism in asian cultures. Everything talks about their collectivist nature.

The "superiority" that your friend mentions sounds like something that is found in collectivist cultures. They emphasize the group and differentiate between those not in their group. Your friend marrying into the group is not welcome because he is an outsider. It is not so much a feeling of superiority, but rather it is a symptom of strong in-group cohesion. In fact, the self-esteem of Japanese is actually close to the mean for self-esteem measures. I posted about differences in self-esteem here (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=412191&postcount=13).

Ămeric
Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Many Asians in the US are professionals or entrepeneurs. They also come from societies that are conscious of race & class. There are many Asians in California where they are becoming the economic elite. I have gotten the impression from Asians in California & Arizona that they do look down on Whites. Here is a link for a website that promotes the ideal of Asian superiority: http://goldsea.com

lady_goth
Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 05:55 PM
This is, unfortunately, very true: asians really do look down on us Whites. I have personally experienced this, and it is very insulting of asians to display this kind of snotty attitude.

Jehan
Sunday, May 21st, 2006, 07:32 AM
Why would it be? It just shows that Asians have a greater conscience of their racial allegiance than we do. And, seriously, good for them. If people of European descent would have more pride in THEIR heritage, they wouldn't feel threatened by some foreign people looking down on them. In fact, we shouldn't really care. As long as they don't come showing off in our countries, which they do.:finsect:

As for the main subject of this thread, I think it's no big deal, as long as the children are conscious of their own cultural heritage. I have many non-Western friends, and I still feel very proud of who I am and where I come from. As long as the foreigner is respectful the child's heritage and well-mannered. I wouldn't want my (future) kids to hang around La Raza kids, but I know many foreigners who understand the Western problem and support me and my beliefs. Of course, they cannot be as dedicated as a fellow white person, but still. The ideal would always be if the child was raised in a hegemonic country, but hey, that's just not gonna happen.

lady_goth
Monday, May 22nd, 2006, 06:41 PM
Regarding the insulting attitude of asians towards us Whites: not good. I don't care how racially conscious they are: they don't have the right to be rude and insulting.