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Evolved
Monday, November 3rd, 2003, 11:00 AM
Gay bishop consecrated

Monday 03 November 2003, 10:47 Makka Time, 7:47 GMT

Members of the US Episcopal Church have witnessed the world’s first consecration of an openly gay bishop.

Braving protests from their own clergy and laity this Sunday, the ceremony went ahead despite warnings of a permanent schism within the Anglican faith's 70 million adherents worldwide.


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Gene Robinson lives openly with a same-sex partner

The late afternoon consecration in the small New Hampshire university town of Durham was tense with at least one senior clergyman vowing to take advantage of his right to speak out against the appointment.

Outside the venue, a group of protesters gathered, some of them carrying placards with the slogan "God Hates Fags," while a number of Episcopal churches organised alternative services for those opposed to the consecration.

"I have a problem with any church calling a homosexual its leader when he is an unrepentant homosexual," said Joshua Phelps-Roper, leader of a Kansas-based Baptist group that travels the country preaching an anti-gay message.

"I have a duty to preach the word of God. The Episcopalians aren't doing that," Phelps-Roper said.

Gene Robinson

At the centre of the controversy is Gene Robinson, 56, a divorced father-of-two, who will become the first bishop of a major Christian denomination to openly live with a same-sex partner.

Despite warnings from the church of a permanent split within the Anglican community, Robinson has refused to step down and repeatedly predicted that his consecration will open the doors for other homosexual bishops.

"There are extraordinarily gifted gay and lesbian people in serious positions of leadership throughout our church. They will be nominated as well. My stepping aside would not stop this one bit," Robinson said.

So vehement is some of the opposition to the idea of an open, sexually active gay bishop that Robinson had been given police protection after receiving numerous death threats.

Calm ceremony

About 4000 people, along with 55 American Episcopalian bishops, attended the ceremony, where a 300-strong choir sang, as the gathered clergy laid hands on Robinson.

Several hundreds of those who attended were there to object to the appointment, but they had given reassurances not to disrupt the service, which began at 1600 (2100 GMT).

However, some spoke out at one point when the congregation is traditionally asked if there are "any objections" to the appointment.

Assistant Bishop David Bena of Albany, New York, spoke on behalf of the objecting US and Canadian bishops and a written statement from lay people of the church was also read.

Archbishop comments

The head of the global Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, said on Saturday that he believed any rift over Robinson's consecration would eventually be healed.

At a ceremony in London, Williams said both sides in the current dispute were considering a "risky break with what we have thought of as orthodoxy and good order".

But even if they did not hold together, God "will still teach us in our separateness" and eventually there would be reconciliation, he said.

The threat to split away is especially strong in developing countries, where many church leaders stick to the traditional view that the practice of homosexuality is a sin.

Possible Nigeria split

The head of the Nigerian wing of the Anglican Church, Primate Peter Akinola, has said that he will take its 17 million believers out of communion with US members if the consecration went ahead. But senior Anglican church leaders in Nigeria on Sunday said they hoped the row would not split the worldwide church.

Moderate Anglicans, however, are more optimistic.

"I don't believe this is a schismatic issue," the Bishop Charles Bennison, head of the Diocese of Pennsylvania, said last week. "I know the ECUSA and the Anglican Communion well enough, and don't think they're going to split over this," Bennison said.

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Ogmios
Tuesday, November 11th, 2003, 05:18 PM
Church-wise, the biblical books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus are quite clear on the prohibition on two males getting it off, on, or up. For a representative of the Church to be an avowed and openly proselytising bumbandit - is an insult to the natural traditions of the church. :angel

Milesian
Tuesday, November 11th, 2003, 05:28 PM
Church-wise, the biblical books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus are quite clear on the prohibition on two males getting it off, on, or up. For a representative of the Church to be an avowed and openly proselytising bumbandit - is an insult to the natural traditions of the church. :angel

Unfortunately all denominations are full of liberals, homosexuals and modernists.
There's barely a Christian among them nowadays.
Unfortunately it's all part of the NWO plan of subversion from within.
Two things stick in my mind. One was an article by a woman who for decades worked tirelessly fro the American Communist Pary. Her work mostly involved recruiting young Communists and radicals to enter and infiltrate the priesthood. She claims that many of them are now among the highest ranking Church figures.
Another thing is a girl who told me her boyfriend once went into the seminary to become a priest, but it was full of homosexuals who harrassed the straight men, so that eventually all the heterosexual men left.

What's needed is a total clean-out from inside out.
Once the subversive elements are removed, an effective counter-revolution can begin in earnest.

Evolved
Tuesday, November 11th, 2003, 07:11 PM
Maybe the churches need to ditch the flashy robes with sparkling jewels and go back to those brown burlap robes Friar Tuck wore. That will send the queers running for the hills. :D

Sentinel
Friday, November 14th, 2003, 05:00 AM
I would like to know how a Priest ,Bishop,etc can preach one thing and then contradict what they have just preached.

Vladek
Friday, November 14th, 2003, 05:29 AM
Church is getting rotten from inside :~(
I think it is very sad

Bushido_Boy
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 03:25 PM
Be sure to keep in mind, that the bible condemns the acts of homosexuality, and not the homosexual persons, as the saying goes 'God loves the sinner and not the sin'.

Bushido_Boy
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 03:26 PM
Geez Im actually being kind for once, instead of my usual bluntness :-O

Scoob
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 03:34 PM
I believe the Bible forbids a man to "lie with a man as if with a woman." Well, this is impossible - the type of chemistry that exists between a man and a woman is fundamentally different from that between a man and a man. Man and woman literally become one flesh in the form of a zygote, a new life. Two men can never do this. They have comraderie with sex.

So my question is, which is worse? A gay priest, or a celibate priest?

Milesian
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 03:39 PM
Be sure to keep in mind, that the bible condemns the acts of homosexuality, and not the homosexual persons, as the saying goes 'God loves the sinner and not the sin'.


Remember God only loves Repentant Sinners.
If he loved even the unrepentant then he wouldn't have turned Sodom and Gomorrah into ashtrays ;)

Bushido_Boy
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 05:57 AM
What about 'God is Love' in John's Gospel I think it is. Well their seems to be a contradiction in the Bible..no surprise theres quite a few anyways

Imperator X
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 05:04 AM
I will say outright that I do not have a problem with gay people. They aren't doing anything to you and I think that one's sexual deviants, fetishes, or anything else related to sexuality comes about from experiences particularly in early childhood. And hypothetically, if you were gay would you feel the same way?

I think it is ridiculous to condemn homosexuality which is not the same as pedophilia because if a straight man were to rape a young girl or a woman no one condemns it as a heterosexual act and equates straight men with rapists.