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Georgia
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:17 AM
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_01_02/germans_leave_germany_record_numbers.htm (http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_01_02/germans_leave_germany_record_numbers.htm )
150,000 Germans left Germany in 2004, highest since 1940s

02 January 2006


Germans are leaving their country in record numbers, but unlike previous waves of migrants who fled 19th century poverty or 1930s Nazi terror, these modern day refugees are trying to escape a new scourge -- unemployment.

Going as far away as the United States (http://www.workpermit.com/us/us.htm), Canada (http://www.workpermit.com/canada/canada.htm) and Australia (http://www.workpermit.com/australia/australia.htm) as well as Norway, the Netherlands and Austria more than 150,000 Germans packed their bags and left in 2004 -- the greatest exodus in any single year since the late 1940s.
High unemployment that lingers at levels of more than 20 percent in some parts of Germany and dim prospects for any improvement are the key factors behind the migration. In the 15 years since German unification more than 1.8 million Germans have left.

"It's hard for me to even imagine any more what it's like to have so much unemployment," said Karin Manske, 45, who moved to the United States with her two children eight years ago to start her own business as a consultant.
"It's hard to fathom because Germans are such skilled workers," Manske said in an interview with Reuters in Los Angeles. "I love the adventurous spirit and won't go back. You can start a business on a shoe string and work hard to succeed."

There are an estimated 70,000 Germans living in southern California, many of whom have arrived in recent years. Earlier tides of emigrants fleeing the Nazis went to Hollywood while post-war waves of Germans filled jobs as skilled artisans in nearby Orange County towns like Anaheim.

"Some of my friends moved to Australia, to Switzerland or London and I came to the U.S., where I'm definitely much better off than I would have been in Germany," said Wolfram Knoeringer, 33, an German architect who moved to Los Angeles in 2002.

"It's not the best time for architects in Germany," he told Reuters, referring to a flat economy, a stagnant population and shrinking building sector. "There are tons of architects in Berlin with little to do. LA is a far more interesting place."
According to the Federal Statistics Office in Wiesbaden, the 150,667 Germans who left last year went to 200 countries -- the United States was the top destination with 12,976, following by Switzerland (12,818), Austria (8,532) and Britain (7,842).

Other countries that received German immigrants were France, Spain, the Netherlands and Belgium.
"There are actually far more Germans moving abroad than the numbers reflected in the official statistics," said Klaus Bade, a University of Osnabrueck professor who studies migration.
"The poor chance of finding jobs at home is the main reason they're leaving," Bade told Stern magazine in a cover story that gave Germans useful tips on how to emigrate.

It's a remarkable change of fortune for Germany, which thanks to the post-war "Economic Miracle" of the 1950s and 1960s was a magnet for millions of foreigners who trekked there from Turkey, Italy and other poor countries in search of jobs.

The main exodus from Germany has been from its formerly communist East, which has been depressed and contracting since just after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989. The East's population has shrunk to 14.7 million from 16 million since 1990.

A Europe Job Center in Magdeburg and a government agency in Bonn known as ZAV have helped tens of thousands of Germans find jobs abroad, mainly in neighboring countries.

The numbers leaving Germany are modest considering there are nearly 5 million unemployed, even though the trend seems to be gaining pace. There has been scant economic growth in Germany for years and property prices have barely changed in a decade.

Annika Richter left home in Dresden to work as a cook and bookkeeper in a Liechtenstein ski resort. Her Saxon accent stands in contrast to the melody of the local Swiss German dialect. But her easily distinguishable language blends in with the staff at her Alpine hotel because most of them are also east Germans, now seen as among Europe's most mobile workers. "I didn't want to work in Germany because this type of job is looked down on," said Richter, 34. "Hotel service jobs have no status in Germany. I'm happy here. I want to work here, save money and then travel the world. I'll probably come back here."

Germans have been sailing, running and flying away from their home for centuries. Millions of 19th century emigrants escaped poverty while later waves fled Adolf Hitler's Nazis or were eager to leave the post-war ruins behind. Some countries, such as Australia, are now actively recruiting Germans with skills at their embassies in Berlin (http://www.workpermit.com/news/2004_11_22/australia/high_demand_for_british_trades.htm). In a bizarre twist of fate, construction companies in northern Italy have recently been hiring Germans for low skill jobs.

Yet many of those who leave say they have no regrets. Bernhard Klug went to Amsterdam in February after losing his job at his advertising agency at home. "Sure there are some things I miss but I am very happy here," said Klug, a 35-year-old designer taking evening Dutch lessons. "Work is less stressful, people leave on time, and the atmosphere is much more relaxed and informal among colleagues." Klug doesn't miss his homeland. "In the Netherlands, there isn't the constant moaning you have in Germany," he said. "I'm staying here, at least for now." Susanne Lutterbach moved to Zurich two years ago for a job. "It was easier to find work in Switzerland," said Lutterbach, 25, who found a marketing position at a computer company. "I was able to start right away after I graduated." Dagmar Hovestadt had a good job at a Berlin television station but grew bored and quit six years ago, moved to Los Angeles and now works as a freelance journalist. "People said I was crazy," she said. "I always dreamed about living in California. The mentality is about as opposite from Berlin as it gets. It's a tough working environment and you're on your own. But I really wanted to get away from Germany."

Leofric
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 06:24 AM
Well, Germanics — including Germans — have always been a migratory people, as this article points out. It's good to see them taking the initiative to improve their situations, I'd say. And few countries would not be greatly improved by immigrant Germans, so they're doing a service to humanity as well! :thumbup

But I'm curious — how many new Germans have entered Germany since reunification? It says 1.8 million have left. How's the birth rate?

Leofric
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 06:44 AM
680,000 born and only 150,000 leave. That's not too bad. Except for the deaths, and all. :|

Of course, we don't know how many of the births and emigrants are ethnically German. I imagine many of the births are not, and even a healthy number of the emigrants.

Also, going back to the initial article, does migration from the BRD to Austria or Switzerland really count as emigration? I wouldn't consider migration from the US to Canada or Australia or the UK to be emigration, really (just as migration from those place into the US isn't immigration), and I know most of the people I know feel the same way.

Georgia
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 09:46 AM
Perhaps this thread is of some help:) . Georgia

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=53621

Older, but very informative link.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p20_Germany.html

More:

http://www.german-embassy.org.uk/foreigners_in_germany__facts_a.html

http://migration.ucdavis.edu/MN/data/foreign_pop/AboutFP.html

Spjabork
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 10:39 AM
Well, Germanics — including Germans — have always been a migratory people, as this article points out. It's good to see them taking the initiative to improve their situations, I'd say. And few countries would not be greatly improved by immigrant Germans, so they're doing a service to humanity as well! :thumbup

Is that so? So, I would advise you to leave your stead and wander around the globe - to India, or better China. Vietnam also is a good place now to try and make a good fortune!;) You'd serve mankind, and they will surely give you the reward you deserve - as they always gave their "thanks" to the Germans...;)

When I studied in England in 1993, I read once an article headlined: "Take a Chance in France!" A white collar who had lost his job and couldn't find another had written a letter to the then Prime Minister John Major for help. Major or some some of his office gave that written answer - I will never forget the wording - : "There are no vacancies here. You mentioned in your letter some ability to speak French. Why you don't have a try and go to France to seek for a job?" The man said to the newspaper: "I have always supported Tories. I will not vote for them next time."

Well, this is the right answer: Kick those idiots out of office, who "rule" & destroy Germany! Unfortunately, there is no real national party to take over, so this solution - at least for the time being - is not viable...

Gaian Meroveus
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 01:18 PM
Comrades,


German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe:


It's all very much part of the plan:jude , i think.

There is never a diminishment in the birthrates of Asians, Africans, mestizos, and the american Negro.

Best wishes,
_GM.

Leofric
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Is that so? So, I would advise you to leave your stead and wander around the globe - to India, or better China. Vietnam also is a good place now to try and make a good fortune!;) You'd serve mankind, and they will surely give you the reward you deserve - as they always gave their "thanks" to the Germans...;)
Actually I'm considering Mexico or Brazil.

But I get the sense that you were trying to talk down to me rather than discussing my real thoughts for the future.

Drömmarnas Stig
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 05:10 PM
I myself left Germany in 2002. It broke my heart, but I had to face reality and feed my family. The job-situation in Germany is dire.
If I can earn decent money abroad and have a safe job which enables a safe future for me and my family, then I take that opportunity.

I still spend the summers in my beloved Germany and plan to return to my home sooner or later.

It also breaks my heart to read that qualified Germans leave their country and unqualified immigrants fill the gap.