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Tchort
Tuesday, July 16th, 2002, 11:40 PM
I'm curious to everyones position on potential allies on the left.
In Russia this is completely normal; neo-Stalinists, National Bolsheviks and other Soviet Nationalists are allied with the countries Fascists, Racialists and National Socialists.

Here in America some of my involvement with leftists has lead me to enquire about certain movements:
-Anarcho-Syndicalism
-National Bolshevism

Anyone have any thoughts ont he subject of either an alliance or potential alliance?

Tchort
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 12:01 AM
I'm in need of an online copy of the book, [i]"The Nazi-Sozi"[/img]
by Dr. Josef Göbbels.

Does anyone have a link?

Ritter
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 12:05 AM
Allies? Why?
We are not working toward the same goals so why would we want them as 'allies'. It is hard for me to imagine for what we need an alliance with lefties. We are fighting agianst those same hippie bastards.

cosmocreator
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 10:44 AM
I realy dont want to associate with those lefties either, but there should be some sort of "armistice" during the days of struggle, when it goes against the same enemy.

In Russia that might work, but not in Germany. Even if we wanted to - the leftist dont. they are being pampered and protected by this system and can get away with everything. The courts are totaly protective against them, when they go against the right.

The leftists and their multicultural scum have only the desire to kill us.

It just wont work. Also the German mindset is to extreme "conservative" when it comes to Ideas - on either side. There is no place for compromise.

Johnson
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 10:58 AM
I would not classify National Bolshevism as leftist.

Hellstar
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by schturmovik
I would not classify National Bolshevism as leftist.

Well thats good to know:rolleyes:

Can you back your statement up alittle? with some thoughts or explanations, evidence, observations!


Its not a Poll you know!x_WTF

cosmocreator
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by schturmovik
I would not classify National Bolshevism as leftist.

I havent heard that nationalbolshewiks in Germany show any interest in working together with the nationalists. Or anywhere else for that matter.

I also heard, that the nationalbolshewiks in russia have all sorts of Niggs ect. in their ranks. The most important question and the center of all endevours for us should be the subject RACE. The denie that Race exists or claim its not iimportant.
That is in my eyes just a more leftist Facism.

If I want a bunch of yahoos who wave around with patriotic flaggs and sing songs at ralleys, then I could join our conservatives here.

The only posetive thing I can state about Nationalbolshewiks is, that they are extreme enemies of US-Imperialism. I support anyone who is against moloch from across the Atlantic.

And if the Nationalbolshewiks accept Jews in their ranks, that would be a invitation to us to declare them as deadly enemies!

Ederico
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 05:51 PM
There can be no alliance with any political orientation unless it allows National Socialists and Nationalists to put an importance on Nation and Race. If the importance of Nation and Race to potential allies is minimal I believe that such an alliance would be weak to gain what we want to gain, mainly Aryan States fro Aryan Nations.

What is National Bolshevism, is it basically National Communism? That would make Communism more appealing, but still I am against removing the right to Private Property and Free Enterprise.

Also what is Anarcho-Syndicalism?

Tchort
Wednesday, July 17th, 2002, 11:50 PM
Resource page on National Bolshevism:

http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng-teor.htm

Seppl
Thursday, July 18th, 2002, 06:24 AM
It depends on what we define as Leftists ? In my book a Lefty is someone opposed to the prevailing political system, just like National Socialism. If we are talking about Marxists, they are just "liberals" posing as revolutionaries, who are mainly Losers and deluded rich kids.
Racial Nationalism and Marxism are not the same thing, the so called "National Bolshevists" have "Left" economic policies instead of decadent Capitalism or Globalism. Marxism never really existed it mutated from it's original Jewish disease into Stalinism,Leninism and Maoism, which strangely enough followed a "Nationalist" frame work, that's why many Jews fell out with Stalin in the 1940's. Marxists in the west were usually Trotzkists and led by Jews.
The great NS leader Leon Degrelle, said" he had more in common with a militant Socialist, than a conservative"!
88 14
Servus,;)

Ederico
Thursday, July 18th, 2002, 09:44 PM
What is the book the Nazi-Sozi about? What is Sozi?

Chris
Friday, July 19th, 2002, 01:45 AM
It is an explanation of the difference between National Socialism (Nazi) and Socialism (Sozi) and why National Socialism is true socialism as opposed to the sham socialism of the Sozis.

I have read it online, so I know it is available, but I have had little luck locating it again. I will keep trying.

Tchort
Friday, July 19th, 2002, 04:05 PM
Alright. Thanks Chris :)

Pera_Z
Friday, July 19th, 2002, 10:42 PM
I am also interesting in this book so if there is online I would like to obtain the link.

Thank you forward

P.Z.

Pera_Z
Saturday, July 20th, 2002, 12:35 PM
Any kind of compromise and cooperation with any party or movement of the 'left' belifes is the sign of our weakness and example of Jewish hypocricy. NO COMPROMISE!

Also Hitler said about FASCISM: If they are look like us and if they are similiar to us, it doesn't mean that they are the same as we are.
(Something like that because I don't know official translation on English)
So if those 'Left' movements have same thoughts as we do, on example anti-capitalism, their work against capitalism could benefit us indirectly. The directly way would be disaster and as I said jewish way of dealing with politic.

Intifada benefit us indirectly and it is good, but we cannot to cooperate with Palestians, and I think that the reason you all know.

Any NS, N, RS, ... who cooperate with left side is our enemy and traitor.

P.Z.

Dzerzhinsky
Sunday, July 21st, 2002, 01:46 AM
an alliance on certain issues between the left and the right would certainly make things easier. eg:
anti-capitalism
anti-zionism (or in extreme cases anti-semitism)
anti-globalism
anti-liberalism

only the extreme left would be willing to unite, as the soft core left is basically liberals championing bourgeois causes.

as Tchort says, in Russia the extreme left and right combine all the time. probobly because both there aims are the same, make Russia great again. of course, it was communism that made Russia great, this is why they are united on most issues. in fact, a high ranking member of the Red Army and communist parliment member went to Poland and made a speach about exterminating all jews! he also went completly unpunished from Gennady Zyuganov (KPRF leader).

i don't know if this sort of unity would work in other places though.

cosmocreator
Sunday, July 21st, 2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Dzerzhinsky
Of course, it was communism that made Russia great, this is why they are united on most issues.

Made Russia great? How?

It exterminated the aryan upper class and replaced them with Jews.

It murdered tens of millions of it's own people - for the sake of judaist controll.

It ruined the economy, polouted the enviorment, was totaly reckless towards everything concerning the folk (see Tshernobyl).

Was Imperialistic in its aims and threatend other countries, making Russia to a feared and hated enemy, instead of Friend and Partner.

Communism was the worst that ever happend to Mother Russia!
If you think the communist nomem clatura and parlament members want to get back back to power for the sake of the people, then you are a dreamer. They just wan't to get back their privelleges and datshas.

A Ideology based upon the ideas of the JEW Karl Marx is unfit for a great aryan Nation like Russia.

Dzerzhinsky
Sunday, July 21st, 2002, 01:20 PM
Made Russia great? How?

Russia was a feudal society in 1917, communism made Russia a feared superpower. it also increased the standard of living dramatically.

It exterminated the aryan upper class and replaced them with Jews.

oh i forgot, communism is a jewish conspiricy :rolleyes: the 'aryan' upper class were nothing but monarchist scum bags who oppressed the prolateriat, after that, the country was led by lenin then stalin (who incidentilly, were BOTH rather anti-semitic).

It ruined the economy,

the economy exploded under communism. it failed when Gorbachev introduced capitalist reforms. Stalin industrialised the USSR with communsim also. he took it from illiteracy, to the second most powerufl economy on earth.

Was Imperialistic in its aims and threatend other countries, making Russia to a feared and hated enemy, instead of Friend and Partner.

LMAO!!!! what country are you from again? :rolleyes:

Communism was the worst that ever happend to Mother Russia!

its better than 'capitalism'.

If you think the communist nomem clatura and parlament members want to get back back to power for the sake of the people, then you are a dreamer. They just wan't to get back their privelleges and datshas.

i don't care how or who gets there, as long as they improve my life and the nation of Russia.

A Ideology based upon the ideas of the JEW Karl Marx is unfit for a great aryan Nation like Russia.

a typically ridiculous nazi statement. i will do a new post on this subject.

Pera_Z
Sunday, July 21st, 2002, 09:28 PM
Ignore this stupid person (?).

Dzerzhinsky is nothing than stupid child who said:

...lenin then stalin (who incidentilly, were BOTH rather anti-semitic).

HA HA HA

Lenin, Vladimir Ilich

Grandfather by his mother had been Aleksandar Dimitrievich Blanko.
Aleksandar Dimitrievich was born in Volinska Gubernia as the Jew.
In the documentation, with top secret subject from Leningrad police archive, 1924 ; Moscow citizen archive, Leningrad citizen archive it had been wrote that the brothers of Blanko are children of Jew Mosa Blanko, and that Aleksandar, and Dimitrij are 'sacrament' with the names Abeh and Israel.
So the Lenin is a Jew.

Stalin, Joseph Vissarionovich Djugashvili

Djugashvili mean a 'little jew'.

--------------------------------------------

Dzerzhinsky, when you read Mein Kampf, German Economic Policy, and 7th part of James Laratt Betersby book "The holy book of Adolf Hitler" where is mentioned almost every single thing from social part of National Socialism, then you can come here and to say that Communism is ok.
Even then, if you disagree with us, you are against us.

We are against monarchy. Religious question is not matter. But Religion cannot enter in Government. Also Religion which is against our Race is of course forbidden. We are anti-capitalism, anti-communism, anti-cosmopolitanism. We put our Nations and our Race on the first place among all, and we are the highest protagonists of Social Justice, based on racial principles. If you have anything common with us, that doesn't mean that we are the same.

NO compromise and NO cooperation with commies who had destroyed our folk in every aspects of life. Many Slavs nations know very good what is Communism.

Communism do that, do that...you can talk about that as much as you wish. BUT COMMUNISM NEVER DEVELOPED OUR RACE, on the contrary, it allowed to Jewish to rise above us. The same piece of s**t is in the case of Democracy.
That is the two eggs from the same nest.


P.Z.

88and308
Saturday, August 10th, 2002, 03:08 AM
http://www.panzerfaust.com/books/books.htm

You can order it from here...I got mine in less than 10 days! $6 postage paid!! Can't beat it!

:)

Pera_Z
Monday, August 12th, 2002, 05:40 AM
We need online copy.

P.Z.

Julius
Sunday, November 2nd, 2003, 03:43 PM
German nationalists occupying an empty building:
http://www.widerstandnord.com/howi/demos15.jpg

Nationalists in Germany are probably unique in Europe in adopting
traditional `left-wing' attitudes and strategies. Occupations of
houses are uncommon, but the left-wing approach to politics is evident
at many nationalist demonstrations in Germany.

What do you all think of adopting left-radical strategies and methods
in general?

Ederico
Sunday, November 2nd, 2003, 06:13 PM
Wow those guys look really cool! :D

Apart from that, seriously, what particular Left-Wing Strategies are you referring to, and what can be defined as a Left-Wing Strategy and a Right-Wing Strategy?

Oh what is the meaning of the banners, can you translate?

Siegfried
Sunday, November 2nd, 2003, 07:14 PM
Occupying houses etc is okay, IMHO. Could you give me some background information on this picture?

Phlegethon
Sunday, November 2nd, 2003, 10:24 PM
That was in Lübeck in the state of Schleswig-Holstein. Unfortunately the people involved in that action are overwhelmingly common criminals, thugs, pimps and bouncers in the red light districts of Lübeck and Kiel. They are trying to repeat what militant anarchists did in the early 80s in Hamburg (Hafenstrasse) and West Berlin. Unfortunately about 20 years too late with a pseudo-left-wing verbal radicalism that is trying to imitate the Red Army Faction of the 2nd half of the 70s.

Siegfried
Monday, November 3rd, 2003, 07:52 PM
That was in Lübeck in the state of Schleswig-Holstein. Unfortunately the people involved in that action are overwhelmingly common criminals, thugs, pimps and bouncers in the red light districts of Lübeck and Kiel. They are trying to repeat what militant anarchists did in the early 80s in Hamburg (Hafenstrasse) and West Berlin. Unfortunately about 20 years too late with a pseudo-left-wing verbal radicalism that is trying to imitate the Red Army Faction of the 2nd half of the 70s.

Good to know. When did this took place? What was the motivation?

Nordgau
Friday, November 7th, 2003, 01:59 PM
Oh what is the meaning of the banners, can you translate?

The left one is an internet address of some "alternativen" organization. The right one says: "Create two, three, many alternatives!" and is an allusion to the left-wing slogan of the sixties and seventies: Schafft zwei, drei, viele Vietnams ("Create two, three, many Vietnams!")

I also don't think that it will be good for anything to imitate criminal left-wing actions. But where the right can indeed learn from the left, is in the creation of an own sub-world in the country with numerous organisations, networks, media, activities and events. And then to take influence in the society, to establish one's ideas in the society and to try to transform the system in its nature indirectly into a certain direction. That's exactly what happened here in the last decades and still is going own. The leftist sub-culture is much bigger than the right one. The left sub-culture and organizations operate far more intelligent in their strategies and their efforts to have influence over the society. And the left sub-culture is mostly accepted and tolerated while the right one is criminalized and persecuted.