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Allenson
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 03:44 PM
While flipping through the latest issue of National Geogrpahic I stumbled upon this interesting photograph of an Afghan girl. From an anthropological perspective, it's is quite interesting.

The scanned image I have attached has lost a bit of color compared with the original. Her eyes are clearly blue as shown in the picture in the magazine itself.

The caption read: "The European features of a girl in a Kabul market hint at the migrants and conquerors--Persian, Greek, Arab, Mongol, British, Russian--who collided in the land historian Arnold Toynbee dubbed "roundabout" of the ancient world."

I don't know about Arabs or Mongols lended a phenotype such as this but perhaps the others mentioned could have carried such traits. Another thought is that she might descend (partially) from incoming IE speakers from the steppelands...

Allenson
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:09 PM
Any comments welcome.

Classification?

Pomor
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:22 PM
She definetly looks very European. If I saw her here I would never think she has something other than N. European in her blood. It is really hard for me to classify her because she is too young. High-bridged nose, blue eyes, I doubt she is some kind of UP, more likely Corded or Irano-afgan.

Grimr
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:25 PM
I am very surprised, she doesn't look like an Arab in the slightest she could be an Austrian or Irish perhaps, that’s what I would say at first glance anyhow.

Vojvoda
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:25 PM
While flipping through the latest issue of National Geogrpahic I stumbled upon this interesting photograph of an Afghan girl. From an anthropological perspective, it's is quite interesting.

The scanned image I have attached has lost a bit of color compared with the original. Her eyes are clearly blue as shown in the picture in the magazine itself.

The caption read: "The European features of a girl in a Kabul market hint at the migrants and conquerors--Persian, Greek, Arab, Mongol, British, Russian--who collided in the land historian Arnold Toynbee dubbed "roundabout" of the ancient world."

I don't know about Arabs or Mongols lended a phenotype such as this but perhaps the others mentioned could have carried such traits. Another thought is that she might descend (partially) from incoming IE speakers from the steppelands...

Could be from either Birtish, Russian, Monglo, incoming IE speakers from the steppes etc. Her eyes have an "exotic" shape to them other than that she looks like her parents are hippes from the way she's dressed:)

I don't know much about Afghanistan or their peoples but they are a mix of different tribes I guess. I think Afghanistan is just the name of the country, not the people.

cosmocreator
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:37 PM
Let's see what she looks like in 20 years.

Allenson
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 08:16 PM
Indeed, shew is young which can make classification difficult as features are often 'grown into'. However, I don't think many people would class her in the Irano-Afghan category whcih seems to be the dominant type in Afghanistan.

I agree with Providenje that the most "exotic" feature she has is her eye shape.

If you were to put her in muddy soccer jersey and place her in the back of a mini-van with a golder retriver licker her face, she would not be out of place in white suburbia here in America.

Thiespas
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 08:37 PM
I am very surprised, she doesn't look like an Arab in the slightest she could be an Austrian or Irish perhaps, thatís what I would say at first glance anyhow.


Um thats because shes NOT arab....why does everyone associate countries other than european and asian as arab? how ignorant can you get? besides, Afghanistan has a very high population of Germans who settled there during wwII,also a lot of muslims from europe went to afghanistan via taliban, not EVERYONE in afghanistan is an Afghan...these are simply photos taken by photographers who know nothing about the country, 20 bucks says shes probably not an "afghan" two major languages of afghan dari and pashto, the rest of the languages in afghanistan are foreign

ScotchTape
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 12:20 AM
this girl isn't very suprising to me since I have been to that region and seen lots of people like that.

Thiespas, are you sure that germans live in Afghanistan?? Even if they did wouldn't they go back?

Thiespas
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 06:58 AM
several generations they just became national afghans...they intermarry adopt culture etc...plus a lot of russians (rape victims) during soviet times...my grandfather was in the germany army during wwII and he gave me this information, i dont see why he would have lied?

goidelicwarrior
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 11:11 AM
Let's see what she looks like in 20 years. indo european origins are clear, age wount change that, fair skin, blue eyes.. she might be an heir to the Aryan tribes that spread over Persia and India.. intresting..

cosmocreator
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 06:48 PM
indo european origins are clear, age wount change that, fair skin, blue eyes.. she might be an heir to the Aryan tribes that spread over Persia and India.. intresting..


Children can change very much. She may look as she does now but in 20 years look more like a typical Afghan.

Thiespas
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 07:11 PM
Children can change very much. She may look as she does now but in 20 years look more like a typical Afghan.

what is a "typical" afghan? a woman fully cloaked? afghan is the most diverse nation in eurasia after russia...there is no typical afghan...

Awar
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 08:49 PM
I read somewhere that there is a big percentage of light and mixed eyed peoples in Afghanistan. I agree with Thiespas totally, the girl looks Russian, she might as well be Russian...

21wqre2
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:03 PM
Does this girl have european blood?

Allenson
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:07 PM
Does this girl have european blood?

That's pretty much the question here. What do you think?

I realize that Afghanistan includes many sub-racial types but this girl is not typical...

Vojvoda
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:16 PM
That's pretty much the question here. What do you think?

I realize that Afghanistan includes many sub-racial types but this girl is not typical...

Afghanistan has been a "melting pot" much longer than the "New World" for sure.

Awar
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:21 PM
Look at it's geographic location.

To the west is Iran, and the passage to Europe, to the north you have ex-USSR republics and Russia, to the east is China, to the south is Indian sub-continent.

Afghanistan is in the center.

Allenson
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Afghanistan has been a "melting pot" much longer than the "New World" for sure.


Do you mean that I shouldn't be surprised to see such features on someone from Afghanistan? I'm curious, not argumentative. :)

Awar
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:27 PM
Do you mean that I shouldn't be surprised to see such features on someone from Afghanistan? I'm curious, not argumentative. :)

Im searching for the article where I read the exact percentage of light-eyed Afghans. From what I remember, the light and mixed eyes are in the 20% or 30% of the general population.

Vojvoda
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:34 PM
Do you mean that I shouldn't be surprised to see such features on someone from Afghanistan? I'm curious, not argumentative. :)

I guess we all shouldn't be surprised.:)

cosmocreator
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:45 PM
Im searching for the article where I read the exact percentage of light-eyed Afghans. From what I remember, the light and mixed eyes are in the 20% or 30% of the general population.


So what if they have light eyes.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:48 PM
what is a "typical" afghan? a woman fully cloaked? afghan is the most diverse nation in eurasia after russia...there is no typical afghan...


A typical Afghan is not European looking. Interpret that as you like.

Evolved
Wednesday, October 29th, 2003, 03:59 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031027/capt.kab10710271738.afghanistan_ramadan_ kab107.jpg
Lining up at McAbdullah's for some secret sauce

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031027/i/r1313868369.jpg
Yummy, pickled camel turds!

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031028/capt.kab10510281608.afghanistan_ramadan_ kab105.jpg
Jilabi, like mama used to make

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031028/capt.kab10410281611.afghanistan_ramadan_ kab104.jpg
Afghan latkes, oy vey

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031027/capt.kab10510272147.topix_afghanistan_ra madan_kab105.jpg
Time to pray

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031026/capt.kab10610261421.afghanistan_kab106.j pg
Goats Gone Wild

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031025/i/r3441204252.jpg
The Afghan Dating Game, how about it ladies? :naughty

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I couldn't leave the fellas out, here's a Afghan beauty for you

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031024/capt.kab10210241512.afghanistan_disarmam ent_kab102.jpg
Some more ladies for ya

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031024/capt.kab20210241639.afghanistan_disarmam ent_kab202.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031024/capt.kab10110241552.afghanistan_disarmam ent_kab101.jpg
Tall, dark and not so handsome

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031021/capt.kab10810211556.afghanistan_kab108.j pg
Time to boogie down Afghan style

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031016/capt.kab11010161601.afghanistan_women_ka b110.jpg
Afghan schoolgirls

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031016/capt.xaw10410161358.malaysia_oic_afghani stan_xaw104.jpg
The guy with the coolest name in Afghanistan: Abdullah Abdullah

Tifilis
Wednesday, October 29th, 2003, 07:57 AM
Maybe it doesn't have to be that complicated, the girl is perhaps "just" like a granddaughter to a Soviet soldier or something when they tried to make a new little "Sjuz Sovjetskij respublik" of Afghanistan?

Shapur
Saturday, June 19th, 2004, 12:38 PM
While flipping through the latest issue of National Geogrpahic I stumbled upon this interesting photograph of an Afghan girl. From an anthropological perspective, it's is quite interesting.

The scanned image I have attached has lost a bit of color compared with the original. Her eyes are clearly blue as shown in the picture in the magazine itself.

The caption read: "The European features of a girl in a Kabul market hint at the migrants and conquerors--Persian, Greek, Arab, Mongol, British, Russian--who collided in the land historian Arnold Toynbee dubbed "roundabout" of the ancient world."

I don't know about Arabs or Mongols lended a phenotype such as this but perhaps the others mentioned could have carried such traits. Another thought is that she might descend (partially) from incoming IE speakers from the steppelands...
She is Irano-Afghan. The Blue eyes are probaly foreign admixture.
But the nose, face structure all is pure Irano-Afghan only the eye color not.
Irano-Afghan eye color is brown/yellow/green. This is also genetical proofen and not blue. ;)