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RoundskullBoredguy
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 11:53 PM
You guys'll have to trust me on this one.

1. When teenage boys go on their "walkabouts," they know where evey oasis, every cliff is, without ever having been there. They remember important info passed down by the elders. All of it. Tell me that's not intelligence.

2. If heavy browridges and odd cranial appendages make one less intelligent than they'd be without them, then I'd assume us Alpines are less intelligent than you Nordics. We have shorter skulls, after all. :D

3. You can't judge intelligence by whether a people constantly contemplates the meaning of life, builds huge cities, or knows calculus. If I hunted for my food and never lived in one place, would that make me any less intelligent?

4. Aboriginal languages have really complex grammar; four noun classes, multiple intonations for different parts of a sentence, six places of articulation (more than most), and such. I don't think homo erectus could speak such complex tongues. (That is, as complex as many other, unrelated human languages.)

So, yeah. You people need to understand that not everybody is just like you; people come in all sorts of varieties. Don't believe the stuff about sloping foreheads and such indicating dumbness. I fell for that too, once.

Oh, one more thing: stop with the Alpines-are-ugly bit, those who are saying such things.

cosmocreator
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:15 AM
You guys'll have to trust me on this one.

1. When teenage boys go on their "walkabouts," they know where evey oasis, every cliff is, without ever having been there. They remember important info passed down by the elders. All of it. Tell me that's not intelligence.

2. If heavy browridges and odd cranial appendages make one less intelligent than they'd be without them, then I'd assume us Alpines are less intelligent than you Nordics. We have shorter skulls, after all. :D

3. You can't judge intelligence by whether a people constantly contemplates the meaning of life, builds huge cities, or knows calculus. If I hunted for my food and never lived in one place, would that make me any less intelligent?

4. Aboriginal languages have really complex grammar; four noun classes, multiple intonations for different parts of a sentence, six places of articulation (more than most), and such. I don't think homo erectus could speak such complex tongues. (That is, as complex as many other, unrelated human languages.)

So, yeah. You people need to understand that not everybody is just like you; people come in all sorts of varieties. Don't believe the stuff about sloping foreheads and such indicating dumbness. I fell for that too, once.

Oh, one more thing: stop with the Alpines-are-ugly bit, those who are saying such things.


I'm starting to question your value at this board. And I'm not the only one. I'm sure Aborigines are wonderful but what does that serve us here? This board is not about Aborginals or Negroes, it is about Europeans and those of European descent. If your want to rant, go to another board.

Evolved
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:47 AM
Oh, one more thing: stop with the Alpines-are-ugly bit, those who are saying such things.

:inlove :heartbeat :love

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-44777/george1.jpg

Sigrun Christianson
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 08:41 AM
RoundskullBoringguy,

You stated in another post that you didn't realize that Skadi is a European-focused board (although I can't see how you missed the giant banner that reads European Cultural, Racial and Spiritual Preservation), but surely now you realize that we are primarily interested in our own peoples, not aborigines. Posts and references to other races are generally only for comparison purposes (and sometimes amusement), not glorification. This board is for us - aborigines and the like have their own boards, I'm sure.

Your posts thus far have been mostly agitating and mocking while providing little information. Please see your way to focusing on relevant European issues or see yourself out.

-Sigrun

21wqre2
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 09:25 AM
Preservation has nothing to do with his argument.
Why not argue against his points instead of saying they cant be discussed here?

cosmocreator
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Preservation has nothing to do with his argument.
Why not argue against his points instead of saying they cant be discussed here?


Perhaps you'd like to join him at an Aborginal board. We have no interest in discussing Aborginals with exception of their physical features or psychological traits.

RoundskullBoredguy
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Which is the way I'm discussing them. :P

Vojvoda
Monday, October 27th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Which Aboriginies are you talking about?

RoundskullBoredguy
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 12:25 AM
I dunno, really...umm...all of them? :dork

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 04:50 AM
Perhaps you'd like to join him at an Aborginal board. We have no interest in discussing Aborginals with exception of their physical features or psychological traits.

He mentioned both in his post, and I don't think your implied threat to 21wqre2 was appropriate. If the facts that Roundskullboredguy presented are true, then I learned something today. True, they don't pertain to Europeans, although you could have brought them into the picture by rebutting his statements, or comparing aboriginals to Europeans instead of just saying he doesn't belong.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 06:14 AM
He mentioned both in his post, and I don't think your implied threat to 21wqre2 was appropriate. If the facts that Roundskullboredguy presented are true, then I learned something today. True, they don't pertain to Europeans, although you could have brought them into the picture by rebutting his statements, or comparing aboriginals to Europeans instead of just saying he doesn't belong.


Most of what RoundskullBoredguy posts is ranting. It is up to the mods to decide who can stay and who goes.

RoundskullBoredguy
Tuesday, October 28th, 2003, 09:17 AM
Well, if you really think I'm such a ranter, then I suppose I'll change. I'll be a good boy, I swear. :D

Razmig
Monday, February 2nd, 2004, 01:33 AM
I agree on the most part. Racialism and preservation is failing because most of the people who agree with it are idiots. Those who have hate for others usually have insecurities and know that they are not "pure" themselves (as no human truley is) and are ultimately uneducated. If a race is to survive, it must understand other races, and accept that they are different and there can not be one better "prettier" race, as it is only in opinion.

However, complications of languages do not indicate intelligence (its quite the opposite). English is a successul and widespread language for many reasons, it is amongst the most simple languages of the world (most European/Indo-European languages are amongst the most simple languages in the world). I would say that the Australoids are a very primitive and naturally un-intelligent race, but that is simply because of hardships of geographical location. Location, location, location. We are all seperated by this, but why is it used as leverage, I will never understand.

Abby Normal
Friday, March 12th, 2004, 08:45 AM
Oh, one more thing: stop with the Alpines-are-ugly bit, those who are saying such things.
Actually, no one really seems to care about them enough to really talk about them, much less say they're ugly (which is pretty unfortunate...)

Oh, wait, looks like lg just proved that they are ugly. :D

Nordgau
Friday, March 12th, 2004, 08:54 AM
Actually, no one really seems to care about them enough to really talk about them [...]

Yeah, the Alpines are "squeezed" somehow and disappear between all these Nord-Med discussions. :D

Scoob
Friday, March 12th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Yeah, the Alpines are "squeezed" somehow and disappear between all these Nord-Med discussions. :D

This seems to be the norm. I suspect this is because both Nords and Meds are sort of dominant/aggressive, types - or maybe because both are more picturesque, while the Alpines are sort of uninspiring. No chooses Alpines as their mascot, even people with a bit of Alpine blood.

Nords are associated with images of Vikings, German barbarians, Nazis, Odin and Thor. Meds are associated with matadors, the Italian Casanova, the mafia and the camora, thousands of years of rich culture, etc.

The Alpines haven't had their praises sung, althogh most European nations have some Alpine blood.

I still have a theory that truly modern humans were long-skulled (and leptosomic/endomorphic in general) people from probably NE Africa (since that build is suitable to that climate - look at Ethiopians) - and that these people were more aggressive and dominant than the previous peoples. I think these people heralded the "sapiens sapiens" revolution.

I think Alpines and others are sort of relics of pre-sapiens sapiens humans -they might not be less intelligent, but they are less aggressive, less dominant, and less flashy. They are instead more conformist, even-tempered, and conservative. They are not so extremist or bombastic as Nords or Meds - instead, they sort of go with the flow and form "the herd" of "normal folk" in human history.

And as for whether they are ugly.. I think they can be "cute" in a sort of "doe faced way" - seem very sweet and attractive (I am thinking of women here), very loveable. I notice the impressions that come to my mind at least is a sort of docility (perhaps because Alpines are pedomorphic compared to other Euro subraces).

Abby Normal
Friday, March 12th, 2004, 08:51 PM
This seems to be the norm. I suspect this is because both Nords and Meds are sort of dominant/aggressive, types - or maybe because both are more picturesque, while the Alpines are sort of uninspiring. No chooses Alpines as their mascot, even people with a bit of Alpine blood.

Nords are associated with images of Vikings, German barbarians, Nazis, Odin and Thor. Meds are associated with matadors, the Italian Casanova, the mafia and the camora, thousands of years of rich culture, etc.

The Alpines haven't had their praises sung, althogh most European nations have some Alpine blood.
Uninspiring? Yes. No one really seems to care about them. Even if you google search them, you get a bunch of stuff about skiing.

They're way underdue for a "supremacy" group of their own. Perhaps Timo could start one! :D

Speaking of those arguments, since no one can even agree on whether I'm "Medish" or "Nordish," I don't really know what side to take. Usually it's the "Mediterraneanists" that tend to get on my nerves (but sometimes it's the other way around! :D )


I still have a theory that truly modern humans were long-skulled (and leptosomic/endomorphic in general) people from probably NE Africa (since that build is suitable to that climate - look at Ethiopians) - and that these people were more aggressive and dominant than the previous peoples. I think these people heralded the "sapiens sapiens" revolution.

I think Alpines and others are sort of relics of pre-sapiens sapiens humans -they might not be less intelligent, but they are less aggressive, less dominant, and less flashy. They are instead more conformist, even-tempered, and conservative. They are not so extremist or bombastic as Nords or Meds - instead, they sort of go with the flow and form "the herd" of "normal folk" in human history.
Hah. Unfortunately I'm not one of them, then. ;) They sound BOOOOORING! :P


And as for whether they are ugly.. I think they can be "cute" in a sort of "doe faced way" - seem very sweet and attractive (I am thinking of women here), very loveable. I notice the impressions that come to my mind at least is a sort of docility (perhaps because Alpines are pedomorphic compared to other Euro subraces).
Hmm, you said I was an Alpine... Does that mean you think I look docile? I assure you, it's quite the opposite! ;)

Scoob
Friday, March 12th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Uninspiring? Yes. No one really seems to care about them. Even if you google search them, you get a bunch of stuff about skiing.

They're way underdue for a "supremacy" group of their own. Perhaps Timo could start one! :D

[quote]Hah. Unfortunately I'm not one of them, then. ;) They sound BOOOOORING! :P
Well, I think they are interesting! I think they are sort of a foundation for Central Europeans, and I think their cohesiveness and conformity is what allows civilized/peaceful cultures to arise. Peacefulness, conformity, etc are not "exciting", but what would life be like without people such as this? I thikn people like this are wonderful! They are just not so dashing or amazing as risk-taking Nords (look at who does "extreme sports" such as skydiving, mountain climbing, etc). Even Italy has a huge Alpine component, all the way to the South.


Hmm, you said I was an Alpine... Does that mean you think I look docile? I assure you, it's quite the opposite! ;)
When I say docile, I mean nice - like a puppy. Alpine faces remind me of babies or a puppy-dog personality. It's the pedomorphy - and I suspect this is accompanied by docility (as it is in dogs/wolves).

People with baby faces are well-liked in society - but they don't tend to be given as much authority as beaky-faced or rugged-looking men, for instance. But for example, in a movie, an Alpine type could easily be cast as a good-hearted friend, for instance. I think stereotypes of this sort are very revealing.

They are also not usually considered "stunning beauties" in women, but might be considered very attractive and wonderful for a faithful, loving wife. Note the oxytocin running through my thoughts on Alpines - like all baby-faced things, they elicit a "love/protect/trust" response. This has great selective advantage.

Heroes and villains in movies are more easily cast as Nord/Med types - especially villains I think. Borreby/Brunn-UP-influenced Nords are easily cast as "heroic" personalities.

Abby Normal
Saturday, March 13th, 2004, 03:20 PM
Well, I think they are interesting! I think they are sort of a foundation for Central Europeans, and I think their cohesiveness and conformity is what allows civilized/peaceful cultures to arise. Peacefulness, conformity, etc are not "exciting", but what would life be like without people such as this? I thikn people like this are wonderful! They are just not so dashing or amazing as risk-taking Nords (look at who does "extreme sports" such as skydiving, mountain climbing, etc). Even Italy has a huge Alpine component, all the way to the South.

When I say docile, I mean nice - like a puppy. Alpine faces remind me of babies or a puppy-dog personality. It's the pedomorphy - and I suspect this is accompanied by docility (as it is in dogs/wolves).

People with baby faces are well-liked in society - but they don't tend to be given as much authority as beaky-faced or rugged-looking men, for instance. But for example, in a movie, an Alpine type could easily be cast as a good-hearted friend, for instance. I think stereotypes of this sort are very revealing.

They are also not usually considered "stunning beauties" in women, but might be considered very attractive and wonderful for a faithful, loving wife. Note the oxytocin running through my thoughts on Alpines - like all baby-faced things, they elicit a "love/protect/trust" response. This has great selective advantage.
Interesting... Very true, to my knowledge. ;(


Heroes and villains in movies are more easily cast as Nord/Med types - especially villains I think. Borreby/Brunn-UP-influenced Nords are easily cast as "heroic" personalities.
Hah! I will not settle for being the loving friend and confidante, destined to live a mundane yet stable life of total conformity while Nordics and Mediterraneans get to be heroes and villians.

I want to be a villian! (:evil) "Sex changes" are available; I wonder if ther's such thing as a "race change!" :D

Scoob
Saturday, March 13th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Hah! I will not settle for being the loving friend and confidante, destined to live a mundane yet stable life of total conformity while Nordics and Mediterraneans get to be heroes and villians.

I want to be a villian! (:evil) "Sex changes" are available; I wonder if ther's such thing as a "race change!" :D

:lol You can live your life however you choose! I was talking about stereotypes! Or how people are perceived.

Baby-faced people achieve a kind of covert social dominance. They use their charms. Consider a mother-baby relationship. Who really has the power? Who really is the master, and who is the slave? Looks can be deceiving.

You're a woman, you should learn about these things!

All women in general tend towards "endomorphy" on Sheldon's typological chart, and they all tends towards this type of personality as well. Women, in the human species, are more stable than men (as a group).

cosmocreator
Saturday, March 13th, 2004, 07:43 PM
This seems to be the norm. I suspect this is because both Nords and Meds are sort of dominant/aggressive, types - or maybe because both are more picturesque, while the Alpines are sort of uninspiring. No chooses Alpines as their mascot, even people with a bit of Alpine blood.

Nords are associated with images of Vikings, German barbarians, Nazis, Odin and Thor. Meds are associated with matadors, the Italian Casanova, the mafia and the camora, thousands of years of rich culture, etc.

The Alpines haven't had their praises sung, althogh most European nations have some Alpine blood.


The Celts were predominantly Alpine.



I still have a theory that truly modern humans were long-skulled (and leptosomic/endomorphic in general) people from probably NE Africa (since that build is suitable to that climate - look at Ethiopians) - and that these people were more aggressive and dominant than the previous peoples. I think these people heralded the "sapiens sapiens" revolution.


Unlikely. Long narrow heads are older than Brachycephalic ones.



I think Alpines and others are sort of relics of pre-sapiens sapiens humans -they might not be less intelligent, but they are less aggressive, less dominant, and less flashy. They are instead more conformist, even-tempered, and conservative. They are not so extremist or bombastic as Nords or Meds - instead, they sort of go with the flow and form "the herd" of "normal folk" in human history.


So the French are less flashy, more conforming than the Germans or Norwegians?

Scoob
Saturday, March 13th, 2004, 08:08 PM
The Celts were predominantly Alpine.

You mean the Halltstatt Celts? Which ones? I thought there was some controvesy surrounding this (based on written sources at least). Perhaps there is archaological evidence to clarify this, however.



Unlikely. Long narrow heads are older than Brachycephalic ones.

What about Neanderthal?



So the French are less flashy, more conforming than the Germans or Norwegians?
I don't mean flashy in the "man on the street" sense. I mean in the historical sense. I'm not sure French can be considered overall Alpines, but I could be wrong.

Regardless of the racial history of this type, I still wonder whether physical pedomorphy is accompanied by docility - as it is in dogs.

morfrain_encilgar
Sunday, March 14th, 2004, 12:28 AM
What about Neanderthal?

Classic Neanderthals are dolichocephalic.

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 06:36 AM
So the French are less flashy, more conforming than the Germans or Norwegians?
Hahahaha, you wish! :D :D :D

cosmocreator
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 06:39 AM
Hahahaha, you wish! :D :D :D

That was an ironic question.

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 06:42 AM
While we're on the subject, the two types of character Alpines excel at playing are, in my opinion:

The tagalong sidekick that no one likes (like Sam): http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/lotr_fellowship/50.jpg

...Or, the goofy buffoon that everyone is annoyed by (like Peter Griffin!) :D :http://www.southperk.com/pictures/1197.jpg
:smilies

Now, understand that I only get to make fun of them because, well, technically... I AM ONE!! :D :D

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 07:58 AM
Something tells me someone needs to bring "Roundskull Boredguy" back from the depths of banishment. He sure is good at atarting a conversation! ;)

By the way, shouldn't this thread have been "split" by now? :)

Scoob
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 06:13 PM
While we're on the subject, the two types of character Alpines excel at playing are, in my opinion:

The tagalong sidekick that no one likes (like Sam):
...Or, the goofy buffoon that everyone is annoyed by (like Peter Griffin!) :D
:smilies

Now, understand that I only get to make fun of them because, well, technically... I AM ONE!! :D :D

I think both of these are very lovable characters. Like I said before, my first impression of Alpines is "cute" and "lovable."

Maybe you are annoyed by them - people are usually annoyed at things that remind them of themselves!! Hate (annoyance is a mild form of hate) is very close to love, and people usually choose friends as well as enemies that reflect themselves to a high degree. (Which certain jadrools should have realized on another thread, ahem.)

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 09:35 PM
That was an ironic question.
I know, I should have made that clearer... I was referring to Scoob. ;)

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 09:37 PM
I don't mean flashy in the "man on the street" sense. I mean in the historical sense. I'm not sure French can be considered overall Alpines, but I could be wrong.
Haha. Everyone knows that the French are the flashiest in the world - both in the man on the street sense, as well as in the historical sense (and they're arguably much flashier in the latter!) Jealous Germans and Norwegians, you'll never come close! :P ;)

Scoob
Tuesday, March 16th, 2004, 02:06 AM
Haha. Everyone knows that the French are the flashiest in the world - both in the man on the street sense, as well as in the historical sense (and they're arguably much flashier in the latter!) Jealous Germans and Norwegians, you'll never come close! :P ;)

As official Yank arbiter of European cultural differences ;) I will say that the Italians have more style and flair than the French. The French (Parisians) come off as pompous idiots - but they also can be very creative and whimsical at times. I generally don't like Bragadoccio behavior, towards which both French and Italians both have a strong tendency - but I think Italians have more "goods" to back up their claims. This opinion is based on my personal encounters with people.

Abby Normal
Tuesday, March 16th, 2004, 02:12 AM
I think both of these are very lovable characters. Like I said before, my first impression of Alpines is "cute" and "lovable."

Maybe you are annoyed by them - people are usually annoyed at things that remind them of themselves!! Hate (annoyance is a mild form of hate) is very close to love, and people usually choose friends as well as enemies that reflect themselves to a high degree. (Which certain jadrools should have realized on another thread, ahem.)
So I remind you (or you think I remind myself of) Sam and Peter Griffin? ;)

Personally, I think I'm closer to Eowyn ("I AM NO MAN!") and Stewie (well, an older girl version.)

Anyway, yeah, I'm sometimes annoyed by things / choose enemies that remind me of myself... ;(

Abby Normal
Tuesday, March 16th, 2004, 02:17 AM
No chooses Alpines as their mascot, even people with a bit of Alpine blood.
Fine, this can be my mascot! E peterbus Unum! :D :D :D
http://www.callisto.si.usherb.ca/~gisweb/gis/anciens/pagespers/jguerin/images/nofatchicks%5B1%5D.gif


I still have a theory that truly modern humans were long-skulled (and leptosomic/endomorphic in general) people from probably NE Africa (since that build is suitable to that climate - look at Ethiopians) - and that these people were more aggressive and dominant than the previous peoples. I think these people heralded the "sapiens sapiens" revolution.
Okay, finally getting to my point here... Don't you mean ectomorphic instead of endomorphic?

Scoob
Tuesday, March 16th, 2004, 02:17 AM
So I remind you (or you think I remind myself of) Sam and Peter Griffin? ;)

Personally, I think I'm closer to Eowyn ("I AM NO MAN!") and Stewie (well, an older girl version.)

Anyway, yeah, I'm sometimes annoyed by things / choose enemies that remind me of myself... ;(

Aww, come on, you're a nice young woman! You remind me of some people I've worked with and gone to school with - baby faced and sweet. I don't remember who Eowyn and Stewie are, but it's not a big deal. I just mentioned the stereotypes, because I find stereotypes fascinating.

Abby Normal
Wednesday, March 17th, 2004, 03:55 AM
Aww, come on, you're a nice young woman! You remind me of some people I've worked with and gone to school with - baby faced and sweet. I don't remember who Eowyn and Stewie are, but it's not a big deal. I just mentioned the stereotypes, because I find stereotypes fascinating.
Eowyn is from Lord of the Rings, and Stewie is the baby/antichrist/Spawn of Hitler on the Family Guy.

Thanks for the compliments! (Though I'm not really all that sweet... :D ) Yes, stereotypes can be fascinating! :)

Abby Normal
Wednesday, March 17th, 2004, 03:58 AM
Classic Neanderthals are dolichocephalic.
Could someone tell me if this guy is dolichocephalic? ;)
http://www.club18-35.co.uk/seacrest-ryan.jpg :rotfl
Seriously! I think he might be some sort of a re-emergence of Neanderthals.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, March 17th, 2004, 05:18 AM
He is obviously Nordid, a Phalian. It might just be better if he does not smile :).

It is impossible to say whether he is long headed or not, as we cannot see his head seen from above.

He is the same type as Oliver Geissen, who host a German TV show, "Die Olivier Geissen show" at RTL.

http://www.olivergeissen.de/

http://www.ac-a.de/fotos/geissen.jpg

http://www.mdr.de/IT/9122-high.jpg



Could someone tell me if this guy is dolichocephalic? ;)
http://www.club18-35.co.uk/seacrest-ryan.jpg :rotfl
Seriously! I think he might be some sort of a re-emergence of Neanderthals.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, March 23rd, 2004, 04:50 AM
Well, Roundskullboredguy has not survived this discussion but it seems to me he is using Aboriginal culture, information about water holes and an alledged complex language to justify a high intelligence. Complex language may mean it has been around awhile so maybe it did come from Homo erectus. As far as the cultural argument goes, there is a simple test. Let's consider culture as an idea pool, borrowing from genetics. Let's compare any European idea pool with the Aboriginal. They have no written language, so an individual will have to be selected to disclose all the ideas of that culture. To compare this to the European situation, we will use any library in Europe. The total number of ideas can be compared and a winner chosen. Guess who it will be?

jugurtha
Saturday, April 3rd, 2004, 08:48 PM
I'm starting to question your value at this board. And I'm not the only one. I'm sure Aborigines are wonderful but what does that serve us here? This board is not about Aborginals or Negroes, it is about Europeans and those of European descent. If your want to rant, go to another board.


To be logical, this forum is untitled "Australoid", so ?