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RusViking
Saturday, April 1st, 2006, 12:48 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_%28people%29

Slå ring om Norge
Monday, April 3rd, 2006, 04:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_%28people%29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d7/Viking_Age.png/350px-Viking_Age.png

Very interesting, but please allow me to improve this map where it is unclear.

The Varang area must be drawn all the way along the Norwegian coast, and into the bottom of the White sea.

I just mention a few Northern Norwegian chieftains that used the northern corridor to reach the areas around the White sea. Ottar på Bjarkøy, Thore Hund and others. Their raids on the 3 kingdoms around the White sea may have been more or less annual for some time.

Their journeys to Bjarmland, Kvenland and Karelia are described several places by Snorri.


Have it been possible to travel southwards in Russia by following the rivers running out in the white sea?

Are there any documentions on, or sagas describing journeys southward into Russia via this northern corridor?

RusViking
Monday, April 3rd, 2006, 04:50 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea

According to the above link Thore Hund, you can reach the Baltic from the White sea, but the White Sea does also lead to the Barents Sea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barents_Sea.

Apparently a very important port for maritime trade throughout Russian history lies on the White Sea so it must lead to a variety of places including Norway.

Slå ring om Norge
Monday, April 3rd, 2006, 05:58 PM
The trade east/west in this region has long traditions. For periods, most of the corn to Northern Norway was Russian corn, that may have saved the population from malnutrition or starvation more than once.

And, dear Rus. Russia and Norway has never been at war, to Norway, Russia has always been a good neighbour. My deepests respect for the Russian people. I also got some russian blood, one of my forefathers survived and escaped from the battle (massacre) of Narva, and fleed northward.


In 1945 an interesting occation occures, that never should be forgotten.

After the German troops withdrew from Finnmark, the Russian troops moved after, and occupied Finnmark.

The Red Army had also occupied Berlin, and England/USA proposed the Russians a serious suggestion;

If The Red Army withdrew from Berlin, they could keep Finnmark.

This proposal was suggested by our former allies, that our nation had bleed for, side by side.

Now the English and Americans wanted to sell us out.

The Russians refused the trade.

This is not very long ago, and many things are not changed, such as the physical position. Our former allies honourlessness was keept secret for 40 years, before the sources was released, and their betrayal on us became known.

I still do not consider neither England and USA as reliable allies. Also earlier history has showed that England has alway been willing to sacrifice Norway.

And one thing, 100% sure, sami or not sami today, I have selected the Axis side for ever and ever.

Hitler sendt 500 000 of his best troops to protect Norway, and the German troops behaved exemplaric in Norway. So also the Red Army.

For their contributions and well disciplined behavior in Norway I salute both these armies.



On the other hand, I do not mention the British forces behavior and "contributions" in Norway, and be glad that I do not.

RusViking
Monday, April 3rd, 2006, 06:54 PM
Why do you mention the Sami?

Slå ring om Norge
Monday, April 3rd, 2006, 07:24 PM
Why do you mention the Sami?

I am at about 1/4 genetic sami myself.

People of Sami origin has traditionally, of understandable reasons, been rather sceptic to the radical or extreme rightwing.

From a traditional sami view I am close to suicidal or selfdestructive behavior by joining the radical right racialist path.

But it is a rigid and outdated view, so I will also have to work upon the Sami to communicate that the situation for sami has changed a lot, also related to for example the nationalistic rightwing.

This has occured gradual the latest 30-40 years. I have followed the development of the situation close, and what also mainly resists are to influence the general attitude of Samis, to accept and adapt to the new situation.

That job I start on within few months.

RusViking
Monday, April 3rd, 2006, 08:09 PM
I am interested in the Sami as a large percentage of Russian Sami are the same haplogroup as I am, E3b. When I search my specific haplotype on YHRD, I have a majority of hits on the Baltic coast of Latvia, Estonia, Sweden, Poland, and Germany. Somewhat of a puzzle.

Oski
Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 09:01 PM
Rurik, of the Rus

Born: c. 830
Birthplace: Friesland (now Holland)
Died: 879

Best Known As: Founder of the Russian state

Rurik was the Viking (or Varangian) leader who ventured from Jutland to found what is considered to be the first Russian monarchy. According to early chronicles, Rurik and his fellow Scandinavian warriors were invited to rule the Slavs, who had fallen into political chaos. Rurik's achievements remain a historical mystery, but it is said that he led an army to the Baltic coast of Russia around 855; he established a fortress east of the Baltic Sea at Novgorod around 862 and ruled an area that extended as far south as Kiev (in what is now the Ukraine).

When he left Russia in 873 (to manage land in Friesland) he turned his land over to the Viking Oleg, who moved the seat of power to Kiev in 882 and extended his domain to challenge the Byzantine Empire. Oleg was succeeded by Rurik's son, Igor, and the dynasty Rurik began lasted until the death of Feodor I in 1598.

The Slavs referred to the Scandinavian invaders as "Rusi," a name which became the origin of the word Russia.

Aragorn
Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 09:48 PM
Depends on what you consider as Friesland....

Friesland today is smaller then Friesland 1000 years ago.