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Tifilis
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 12:45 PM
Let's try to classify the Russian tsar Peter I. Here are some pictures:
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Peter%20The%20Great.jpg
A young "Petr"

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/FrankenDemo/Gifs/pgreat.gif


In profile:
http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rossika/tannauer1.JPG

And here is his deathmask:
http://www.kunstkamera.ru/panorama/encyclopaedia/images/panorama3.jpg

Lala
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 04:32 PM
I'll take a really wild guess and say... nordic/EB.

Awar
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 04:59 PM
I can't see the profile.

Nordischer Beobachter
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 05:01 PM
nordic with mongoloid admixture

Tifilis
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 07:51 PM
Here
http://ring.mithec.com/BOOKS/peter2.jpg
Maybe not the best picture, but here Profile picture (http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rossika/tannauer1.html)
is a better picture.

About the Mongolid influence, that's partly correct, his mother was of Tatar family.

Awar
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 09:18 PM
No mongoloid influence is visible in his phenotype.

The Blond Beast
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:10 PM
Here
http://ring.mithec.com/BOOKS/peter2.jpg
Maybe not the best picture, but here Profile picture (http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rossika/tannauer1.html)
is a better picture.

About the Mongolid influence, that's partly correct, his mother was of Tatar family.

Natalya Naryshkina was his mother. How do you know she was a Tatar?Anything else forthcoming?

Tifilis
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:35 PM
In all my books about Peter they say the same thing: That she was of Tatar origins.

Some more? Yes, the founder of the Romanov family came from Prussia and was called Roman, and so did the Romanovs get their name.

But what would you say the he looks like?

Nordischer Beobachter
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:37 PM
mongoloid race is visible in his unclear traits and rounded face

Loki
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:40 PM
mongoloid race is visible in his unclear traits and rounded face

Rounded face is not necessarily Mongolid. Alpines have that too. "Unclear traits"... *sigh*

Tifilis
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:42 PM
So.. tsar Peter is possible Alpine with some mixture perhaps?

Nordischer Beobachter
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:46 PM
as i have posted in many other hubs, i regard the "alpinic" race as a result of a mongoloid/nordic mixture. so what loki says states this theory.. alpines have unclear traits, rounded face and small built... pretty much like asians, also their sculls are very short

Loki
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:51 PM
as i have posted in many other hubs, i regard the "alpinic" race as a result of a mongoloid/nordic mixture. so what loki says states this theory.. alpines have unclear traits, rounded face and small built... pretty much like asians, also their sculls are very short

This theory of Alpines being Mongolid-Nordid mixtures is old, and I think have been discredited. If Alpines were Mongolid-Nordid mixes, then one would have seen a stronger Mongolid gene presence in central Europe. Anyhow it was only a "theory", and nothing has been proven regarding this supposed "Mongolid" origin of central Europe's brachycephaly.

Tifilis
Saturday, October 18th, 2003, 11:56 PM
Me myself is a kind of Alpinid I think, with roots in Hungary and in the Caucasus, but also some Finnish.
Here I am:
http://forum.skalman.nu/files/vladigen.jpg

Nordischer Beobachter
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 12:10 AM
im tired of every mixture in europe with round face and unclear traits beign called alpinic... it turns out that french and northern italians are mostly alpinic..... but eastern europe too... its all a lot of nonsense. a mixture is a mixture, you may invent an alpinic rce but what you call alpines are claerly the mix of many races.

Prodigal Son
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 12:14 AM
This theory of Alpines being Mongolid-Nordid mixtures is old, and I think have been discredited.

Not only has it been conclusively discredited, numerous times, it was never much in vogue. Alpines are pilous, orthognathous, have leptorhine, high-rooted, high-bridged, strongly projecting noses, relatively flat molars and projecting chins, a strong horizontal facial profile, and a negligible number of epicanthi. The connection between Alpines and Mongoloids, phenotypic and otherwise, is extremely tennuous. One might as well postulate a connection between Nordics and Australoids.


If Alpines were Mongolid-Nordid mixes, then one would have seen a stronger Mongolid gene presence in central Europe. Anyhow it was only a "theory", and nothing has been proven regarding this supposed "Mongolid" origin of central Europe's brachycephaly.

Not only has nothing been proven, all such theories have been conclusively disproven. NB is a retarded troll. I suggest all sane people on this board ignore him.

Pomor
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 12:18 AM
YEah, how in this old Swedish saying - "Don't feed retarded trolls" :D

The Blond Beast
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 12:27 AM
Me myself is a kind of Alpinid I think, with roots in Hungary and in the Caucasus, but also some Finnish.
Here I am:
http://forum.skalman.nu/files/vladigen.jpg

Magyar, Caucasian, Finno-Ugrian ancestry?

You could easily pass for a Tatar.

Awar
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 12:38 AM
Nordische, will you please stop your incoherent babble?
It's becoming tiresome.

Dienekes_Pontikos
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 03:14 AM
Alpine-Mediterranean.

Tifilis
Sunday, October 19th, 2003, 08:01 AM
Magyar, Caucasian, Finno-Ugrian ancestry?

You could easily pass for a Tatar.

Tatar you say? Perhaps..