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Gil
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 02:17 AM
Opinions, input & all comments appreciated.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9510/manjius6om.jpg



My own opinion about it:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2703/comparison25ke.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4879/comparison19sd.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2729/comparison35ym.jpg

Alkman
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 02:39 AM
Armenoid.

SouthernBoy
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 02:45 AM
Atlanto-Mediterranid, IMO.

Ahren_
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 02:48 AM
I had the same example in my head when viewing your photos.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2703/comparison25ke.jpg

Predominantly Atlanto-Mediderranean.

Blood_Axis
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 02:54 AM
Atlanto-Mediterranid, IMO.
That is also my impression.. :)

Alkman
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 02:57 AM
Scull shape, ear shape, this predominant nose, the heavy eye-brows, visible brow ridges.

Only his jaw isn't typically armenoid.

Leofric
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 03:41 AM
My own opinion about it:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2703/comparison25ke.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4879/comparison19sd.jpg
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2729/comparison35ym.jpg
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Manji. Amazing that you're so close to the typical specimen (the one from the first link) — that's quite rare from what I've seen. For my part, I have always thought that I looked like one of Coon's Trønder examples, but I'm definitely not that close.

I would say that your head is longer from front to back than the example you provide, which I think is what causes your face to be somewhat more protrusive than the examples (though that only stands out to me under close scrutiny). I also think he's got something of a wider cranium above the temporal region, but that could be just because he's losing his hair more than you are. I also think you have a bit more fat than he has, which gives you a slightly rounder appearance — but that's just topical — skeletally you seem remarkably similar to the model. You also have better posture than he has.

There are some differences between the two photos that are entirely photographic (EDIT: I would put most of those that Germanos mentions into this category). He was shot outdoors, and you, in. He was shot on film and it likes like you weren't. All that makes a difference. I could go more into that, but that's an argument I have about popular misconceptions about photography that would better belong elsewhere.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 07:23 AM
Manji, forgive me for not reading your comments about your type or the others but doing that always taints my original observation. My observation is that you are not as Med. as you might wish. Look at the profile shot. Let me see now, receding forehead, nose in line with forehead, long, flat sided cranium. There is something else, though. Please note how your facial profile forms two planes, one above the nose and the other below the nose. The eyes and forehead reced while from the nose down is vertical. Now, erase the pigmentation for a moment. What we have here is a classic Keltic Nordic profile. Please see Coon's discussion on this. In fact, you resemble one or two of those Island of Man types in pictured in Races of Europe.

So, pigment-wise, you are Med. but bone-wise you are Keltic Nordic, at least what I can see. This shouldn't surprise you, though, since the Celts were in Portugal for a long time and may have used Portugal as a jumping off place to go to Britain and Ireland.

Nseag
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 10:33 AM
I think Keltic-Nordid(Nordid+Dinarid)+Iberid mix

Weltfaschist
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 03:10 PM
I think, that he is a typical Keltic-Meditteranid Mix.

Keltiberer
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 03:27 PM
I had the same example in my head when viewing your photos.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2703/comparison25ke.jpg

Predominantly Atlanto-Mediderranean.

I agree with Ahren.
Manji is a typical North-Portuguese.

visigodo
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 04:19 PM
I think your typology can fit perfectly in what I can see in many Portuguese people of “progressives” characters. I mean the Atlanto-Mediterranean component of the Portuguese population that I think is quite common among the North and Middle part of Portugal. Good stature, dolichocephalyc (apparently), Mediterranid pigmentation etc. In my Ideas you fit perfectly in what I think a A-M Portuguese must be. Also here in Valencia (and in Catalonia) the A-M type is rather predominant compared with the West-(Gracil)-Mediterranids and the Berids of Lundmand or the Mesolithics of Bosch Gimpera, W-M and Berids are more common in the central part of the Iberian Peninsula. The only thing I would add is that seems to be some West-Mediterranean influences, at least in the skull shape because looks like the skull is something more ovoid and the forehead is not as high as in the pure A-M. In your type I think you skull is not characteristically hypsicephalic as in the pure A-M types. Another point to keep in mind can be that your eyes are not so deep-seted in the eye socket as in the typical A-M, your eyes seems to have a intermediate deepness. Anyway other characters show the A-M predominance in my opinion.

BeforeTheSun
Wednesday, March 22nd, 2006, 09:17 AM
He was shot outdoors, and you, in. He was shot on film and it likes like you weren't. All that makes a difference. I could go more into that, but that's an argument I have about popular misconceptions about photography that would better belong elsewhere.

Care to do me a favor and make a thread pertaining to that argument? :)

Rhydderch
Friday, May 19th, 2006, 12:43 PM
I'd say Atlanto-mediterranean with Berid and perhaps Dinarid. I've become familiar with this Berid recently, and I think you have some features of this type.


The eyes and forehead reced while from the nose down is vertical. Now, erase the pigmentation for a moment. What we have here is a classic Keltic Nordic profile.A receding forehead is an Atlanto-med trait; in fact I've recently come to the conclusion that it is this type which supplies the low vault and sloping forehead of the Iron Age Keltic skulls.


Please see Coon's discussion on this. In fact, you resemble one or two of those Island of Man types in pictured in Races of Europe.I'm assuming you refer to the Isles of Aran. I've read that the low vault on the Aran islanders is associated with the darker strain among them. All in all, it would seem there is a strong Atlanto-med element there. The fact that they are taller, lighter in weight, longer-headed and lower vaulted than other Irishmen, as well as the linkage of these features with darker hair, all seem to point in that direction.

Indeed the tall, slim, dark and very dolichocephalic people I see (of British/Irish descent) have a strong tendency to low vaults and very sloping foreheads; so I've observed at any rate.