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Loki
Friday, October 17th, 2003, 01:07 PM
http://www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000209.html

G.F. Debetz on Eyelid Form

Debets G.F. ,Anthropological Investigations in Daghestan, in Contributions to the Physical Anthropology of the Soviet Union, p. 87:

"Eyelid Form

This feature, which is so important for the differentiation of Europeoid from Mongoloid types, did not reveal any differences among Caucasian [Caucasian means from Caucasus, not 'Caucasoid'] nationalities. Observations of Georgian anthropologists showed certain distinctions of Caucasians from Russians: in the latter the eyefold was somewhat larger, the eye slit somewhat narrower and the position of the orbit a little more inclined. However, it is doubtful if one can consider these characters as being posessed by all Northern Europeoids. The results obtained by the Baltic Expedition, in which the author participated, showed that the Lithuanians, for example, do not disclose any difference from the Caucasians in regard to eyelid structure. In all probability, the distinctions of Russians from Caucasians should not be explained by the fact that the eyelid structure of Northern Europeans is different from that of Southern Europeans, but by the fact that the Russians absorbed elements which are characterized by some Mongoloid traits."

Caricature of Boris Yeltsin emphasizing tilted outer rim. Yeltsin is of Baltic type with a slight Mongoloid admixture.

http://www.monkey-studio.com/Yeltsin.gif

Pomor
Friday, October 17th, 2003, 02:10 PM
http://www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000209.html

G.F. Debetz on Eyelid Form

Debets G.F. ,Anthropological Investigations in Daghestan, in Contributions to the Physical Anthropology of the Soviet Union, p. 87:

"Eyelid Form

This feature, which is so important for the differentiation of Europeoid from Mongoloid types, did not reveal any differences among Caucasian [Caucasian means from Caucasus, not 'Caucasoid'] nationalities. Observations of Georgian anthropologists showed certain distinctions of Caucasians from Russians: in the latter the eyefold was somewhat larger, the eye slit somewhat narrower and the position of the orbit a little more inclined. However, it is doubtful if one can consider these characters as being posessed by all Northern Europeoids. The results obtained by the Baltic Expedition, in which the author participated, showed that the Lithuanians, for example, do not disclose any difference from the Caucasians in regard to eyelid structure. In all probability, the distinctions of Russians from Caucasians should not be explained by the fact that the eyelid structure of Northern Europeans is different from that of Southern Europeans, but by the fact that the Russians absorbed elements which are characterized by some Mongoloid traits."

Caricature of Boris Yeltsin emphasizing tilted outer rim. Yeltsin is of Baltic type with a slight Mongoloid admixture.


There is nothing mongoloid and/or Baltic about Yeltsin, he has a desease which is called alcoholism, thats what makes him look like he does. He is actually a high-skulled BA. This is a pic a while ago posted by LG. His nose was broken a couple of times thats why it looks like that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/images/yeltsin/galyeltsin1.jpg

An article itself is BS.

Prodigal Son
Friday, October 17th, 2003, 07:29 PM
LOL, two can play the 'who is more Mongoloid' game Loki:

Frequencies of the Mongoloid epicanthic eyefold for a few groups:

Estonians: 2.2% (weakly developed)

Ijores: 1.8% (weakly developed)

Finns (proper): 1.9% (weakly developed)

Karelians: 1.8% (weakly developed)

Vepses: 1.8% (weakly developed)

Saami: 7% (weakly developed)

Finnish Swedes: 1.7% (weakly developed)

Source: Anthropology of the Balto-Finnish Peoples by Karin Mark, p.91-92, table 23.

Russians: 0.14% weakly developed epicanthus

I think the number of epicanthic eyefolds is a better indication of the amount of Mongoloid admixture in a population then 'eylid form' alone.

Just wait until I get Cheboksarov's stats on the number of epicanthi in Germans, then we'll talk ;)

Prodigal Son
Friday, October 17th, 2003, 07:41 PM
but by the fact that the Russians absorbed elements which are characterized by some Mongoloid traits.

ROFL, so did Finns, Balts, Germans and Swedes. "Elements which are characterized by some Mongoloid traits" is a rather vague term (to say the least). Most importantly, its a term that cannot be used top quantify admixture. Get me some genetic studies and some anthropometric stats and then we'll talk.