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kurwenal
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 04:33 AM
Some months ago I asked for a classification. Here is the thread: http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=257752#post257752

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My question is : do you appreciate baskid influences?

I have added some profile photos. Also photos of my parents and grandfather(maternal side). Can he be classified as Keltic Nordic(1.80 cm,blue eyes,dark hair)? and she as Atlanto Mediterranean(1.76cm,brown eyes,brown hair)? What about my grandfather?

Agrippa
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 05:02 AM
I still think Nordatlantid is dominant going after that pictures and a more robust, Cromagnoid element being present. Baskid...well, hard to determine, no definitive traits, but Atlantomediterranid is involved.

kurwenal
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 05:09 AM
My father(1.80 cm,dark brown hair,blue eyes)
http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia1.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=9&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=6fd5135b2c0e1c26d6f632b0c6aa14d5&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=34e7ce5801c64725ff98619ddd7de33 37e609dc9f73f11ca

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia2.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=10&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=6fd5135b2c0e1c26d6f632b0c6aa14d5&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=34e7ce5801c64725da22485fe099b6e a5fda9b77d56988d2

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia6.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=14&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=6fd5135b2c0e1c26d6f632b0c6aa14d5&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=34e7ce5801c64725eb6267e2458c13b 08b895afe103c4298

kurwenal
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 05:11 AM
My mother and her father:

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia3.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=11&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=6fd5135b2c0e1c26d6f632b0c6aa14d5&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=34e7ce5801c6472552822f53baeb68e dff9f1dd762ee9d4c

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia4.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=12&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=6fd5135b2c0e1c26d6f632b0c6aa14d5&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=34e7ce5801c6472528274b4431d4833 78906092347d8b718

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia5.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=13&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=6fd5135b2c0e1c26d6f632b0c6aa14d5&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=34e7ce5801c647250ce892d9628cdfe 45ab4567909cbf34b

kurwenal
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 05:06 PM
Agrippa, what do you think of my parents and grandfather?

kurwenal
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 08:36 PM
http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia1.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=9&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=2eafac25ff8ee67db4a20a65e218f551&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=603d8b4101c647a6414461af6bb95e6 d4aac1b4418cc4e9f

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia2.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=10&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=2eafac25ff8ee67db4a20a65e218f551&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=603d8b4101c647a6a89cb198aa4015d 44c852a97cdd2a2a5

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia6.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=14&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=2eafac25ff8ee67db4a20a65e218f551&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=603d8b4101c647a622da5c529bdfd66 560976765e2703a5d

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia3.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=11&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=2eafac25ff8ee67db4a20a65e218f551&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=603d8b4101c647a62b25a97b626ac7f 0ff8a687c816a4539

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia4.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=12&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=2eafac25ff8ee67db4a20a65e218f551&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=603d8b4101c647a6bb0d98ca0dfec87 1d80d461b7df7ff33

http://64.4.56.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/familia5.jpg?&msg=D6A615BA-0D1B-41FF-B9A6-2F668D2BFB9C&start=0&len=251475&mimepart=13&curmbox=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&b=2eafac25ff8ee67db4a20a65e218f551&disk=10.1.106.203_d3659&login=danielsotog&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=603d8b4101c647a690c8e0a7363c757 01aaf7b91faf858c5

There was a problem with the photos. I have posted them anew.

RedJack
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Here's a few Baskids for comparison.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54154&stc=1&d=1142371900

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54157&stc=1&d=1142371900
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54155&stc=1&d=1142371900

The Black Prince
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 09:45 PM
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54155&stc=1&d=1142371900

This man could also be a heavy Dinaroid influenced Irishman or along those lines, (although I can't see his pigmentation) looks somewhat similar like this man from the Aran Islands.

http://www.visitaranislands.com/images/man.jpg

RedJack
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Well, Basques are a Dinaroid type.

Johannes de León
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 11:00 PM
Here's a few Baskids for comparison.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54154&stc=1&d=1142371900


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54155&stc=1&d=1142371900 These two are clearly Baskids with Nordid influence.

I think more on the lines of this one when I think of Baskids.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54162&stc=1&d=1142377195

RedJack
Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 11:33 PM
I don't know about Nordid influence given the extreme length of the face on that one bloke, but that is what he was classified as wherever I found the pic.

Johannes de León
Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 01:53 PM
Kurwenal, this is the best I could find of a female Baskid type.

See if it bears resemblance with your mother.

Zaborra
Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 02:56 PM
IMO,you father is basque,because of the eyes (my father has the same)
And your mother...I´m not completely sure...but could pass;)
Btw,nice baby:P

visigodo
Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Some months ago I asked for a classification. Here is the thread: http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=257752#post257752

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My question is : do you appreciate baskid influences?

I have added some profile photos. Also photos of my parents and grandfather(maternal side). Can he be classified as Keltic Nordic(1.80 cm,blue eyes,dark hair)? and she as Atlanto Mediterranean(1.76cm,brown eyes,brown hair)? What about my grandfather?

Thanks for your question, sorry to be late but I do not have much time latetly. I thin you can be classify as Agrippa say as North-Atlantid or Nordomediterranid (Nordid/Mediterranid blend -been the Mediterranid component of Atlanto-Mediterranean origin in my opinion-) regarding your question about Baskid influences I do not see much but probably there is something that can be considered Baskoid and is the shape of your face, jaw and chin that is long and thin and becomes closer gradually downwards and ends in a pointed chin.

Here some information about the Baskid type and the Basque Country:


The Western-Pirenaic type (Baskid) is of undoubted Cro-Magnon extraction according to Telesforo de Aranzadi and Luis de Hoyos Sainz, since it is deduced in the skeletal material studied that are available, which demonstrate a continuity between osseous forms of Cro-Magnon origin from the Mesolithic times and the current ones. It is characterized for being in average or high stature, strong, athletic built, mesocephalic, with bulky temples, low skulled, with long and thin face that becomes closer gradually downwards and ends in a fugitive and pointed chin, convex nose, and intermediate pigmentation, except when it is mixed, which happens often. Can be found in his major concentration on the coast of the Basque Country, and in the half North of Navarre, but this type spreads very much beyond, is numerous in Cantabria and La Rioja, as well as in the Aragonese and Catalan Pyrenees, though it is not clear if in this zone this type really exists , or is just another Mediterranean variety.


The Basque Country characterizes, from the racial point of view, for having, according to the zones, up to 50 per cent or more of the type so called Western-Pirenaic. On the contrary, other different elements exist also in the Basque Country. In Guipuzcoa, in his south-east part (Aralar), there is an area were can be found braquicephalics of Alpine origin and is known that the Celtic influence in the Basque Country always was important. This way the valley of the river Deva takes his name from a Celtic word that means Goddess. Also it is possible to find there Nordid types, more or less pure, being this province one of that has major blondism in Spain. On the other hand Biscay, more removed from the places were several invasions form Europe happened, presents an important decrease of the Nordid and Alpnid types, being kept the Baskid type and increasing the Mediterranean admixtures, which explains his bigger dolichocephalic index and darker pigmentation. In Alava the proportion is also considerable the Mediterranean influences in the half south, existing together with the Baskids a good proportion of the Dalofaelids types and Alpinids aswell, being for it this reason the Bask province, with a major cephalic index among the Basque provinces.

For more information about spanish anthropology visit this site:

http://club.telepolis.com/tropos/index2.html

kurwenal
Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Thanks to all of you for your contributions!

Visigodo, excellent site and material as usual! Judging by the photos that you posted I think I see more baskid traits on my grandfather but not so clearly on either of my parents. How would you classify them? Northatlantid or Keltic Nordid(my father)and atlantomed(my mother)?

Agrippa, where do you think that the cromagnoid traits could come from? Maternal or paternal side?

Agrippa
Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 06:46 PM
I'd say paternal side.

visigodo
Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 10:06 AM
Thanks to all of you for your contributions!

Visigodo, excellent site and material as usual! Judging by the photos that you posted I think I see more baskid traits on my grandfather but not so clearly on either of my parents. How would you classify them? Northatlantid or Keltic Nordid(my father)and atlantomed(my mother)?

Agrippa, where do you think that the cromagnoid traits could come from? Maternal or paternal side?


Thanks for your comments. :)

Probably you father can be clasisfied better as Nordomediterranid and your mother as Atlantid or Atlanto-Mediterranean but the pictures of your mother are not good enough. Sorry to say that I can not see the firsts pictures. Some Baskid influences can be in both.