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János Hunyadi
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 09:32 PM
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In physical anthropology, the Dinaric race is one of the subcategories of the Europid (White; Caucasian) race into which it was divided by anthropologists in the early 20th century. The concept of the Dinaric race is most closely associated with the writings of Hans F.K. Günther. The name derives from the Dinaric Alps (the western part of the Balkan Peninsula) which was supposed to be its principal habitat.

Its characteristics were defined as tall, mostly mesomorph bodily build, with relatively long legs and short trunk and a medium arm span. The overall anatomy of the head was said to be brachycephalic to hyperbrachycephalic (Cranial index: 81-86) whereby the condition is caused by both rather high breadth of the head and a medium length of the neurocranium, whose back part is often somewhat flattened (planoccipital).

The vertical height of the cranium is high. Eyes are set relatively close and the surrounding tissue defines them as wide open. The nose is large, narrow and convex. The face is long and orthognathic, with a prominent chin, and also wide. The form of the forehead is variable, but not rarely it is bulbous. The hair color is usually dark brown, with black haired and blond individuals in minority, blondness being the characteristic of the more Central European, morphologically similar Noric race (a race intermediate between Nordic and Dinaric races).

The skin is lacking the rosy color characteristic for Northern Europe as well as the relatively brunet pigmentation characteristic for the southernmost Europe and on a geographical plane it is of medium pigmentation and often it is variable.

Several theories were postulated regarding the genesis of the Dinaric race and most of them agreed that this race was autochthonous to its present habitat from the Neolithic. It has also been claimed that the Bell-Beaker people of the European Bronze Age were at least partially Dinaric. However Carleton Coon in The Origin of Races (1962) argued that the Dinaric and other such categories "are not races but simply the visible expressions of the genetic variability of the intermarrying groups to which they belong."

According to the Dinaric model, Dinarics are to be found today in the mountainous areas of the western Balkans (Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, most of northwestern Bulgaria, northwestern Republic of Macedonia and northern Albania). Northern Italy is mostly a Dinaric area as well as western Greece, Romania, eastern Ukraine, southeastern German-speaking areas, and parts of southern Poland and southeastern France.



Dinarid Mental Characteristics

The members of this race are characterized by a rough strength and downrightness, by a peculiar trustworthiness, by a feeling for honour and love of the home, by bravery and a certain self-consciousness. It is these attributes which in the Great War made those men on both sides who came from predominantly Dinaric districts the best fighters on the south-eastern front. It is the Dinaric blood that makes the difference between the nature of the Bavarian and the North-German, and gives rise to the self-consciousness of South-German and Austrian Alpine districts.

The Dinaric man is characterized by a warm feeling for nature, a strong love of the home, and a spirit of creativeness in fashioning the surroundings to be the ordered expression of himself in houses, implements, customs, and forms of speech. He does not, however, turn his gifts so much to the vaster undertakings, to leadership in the most varied spheres of life, or to restless progress and strenuous competition. He lives more in the present than does the provident, foreseeing Nordic.

The boldness of the Dinaric is rather one of bodily achievements; a real spiritual urge to conquest, such as often characterizes Nordic men, seems to be rarer. Characteristic of the Dinaric is an inclination to sudden outbursts, to quick anger, and to combativeness -- characteristics, however, which but stand out from the general level of a disposition that is on the whole good-tempered, cheerful, and friendly.

But it is not mere chance that the predominantly Dinaric south-east of the German-speaking area (like the East with its East Baltic strain) is marked by a particularly high percentage of convictions for dangerous bodily wounding, and in general by a relatively high percentage of criminal convictions.

Dinarics are often characterizewd of having stern determination. The spiritual outlook is narrower, though the will may be as strong. On the whole the Dinaric race represents a stock which is not seldom somewhat uncouth, with a rough cheerfulness, or even wit, and is easily stirred to enthusiasm; it has a gift for coarse repartee and vivid description, showing a decided knowledge of mankind and histrionic powers as a racial endowment.

Business capacity, too, seems to be not rare. The gift for music, above all for song, is particularly pronounced. The predominantly Dinaric Alpine district is where German folk-songs most flourish. The gift of tongues, too, would seem more frequent in the Dinaric race. The sociableness of this race is a rough and noisy one; as between man and man it is generally sincere and upright.



Dinarid Distribution

Dinarics are mostly found in moutainous areas of Central and Southeast Europe stretching from Central France to the Balkans.

Core Dinaric

Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, and Slovenia: 75% Dinaric
Romania: 35% Dinaric (Most common in the West)
Austria: 25% Dinaric
Czech Republic and Slovakia: 25% Dinaric (Most common in Moravia)
Italy: 20% Dinaric (Most common in the North)
Hungary: 20% Dinaric: (Most common in the Southwest)
France: 15% Dinaric: (Most common in SE France)
Switzerland 15% Dinaric (Most common in the South and East)
Bulgaria: 15% Dinaric
Poland: 10% Dinaric
Greece: 10% Dinaric
Germany: 5% Dinaric (Most common in Bavaria)
Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine 5% Dinaric: (Most common in Eastern Ukraine)
Spain and Portugal: 5% Dinaric

Peripheral Dinarids

Norics: Nordic/Dinarid Intermediates

Austria: 35% Noric
France: 30% Noric (Most common in the North)
Switzerland: 30% Noric (Most common in the North, West, and Center)
Germany: 15% Noric
Czech Republic and Slovakia: 15% Noric (Most common in Bohemia)
Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Slovenia: 10% Noric (Most common in the North)
Romania: 7% Noric
Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine: 5% Noric
Poland: 5% Noric
Italy: 4% Noric (Most common in the North)
England: 2% Noric (From Bronze Age invaders)
Hungary: 2% Noric
Ireland: 2% Noric

János Hunyadi
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 09:39 PM
Dinarid Photo Gallery









Dinarids

Bertolt Brehct: German

http://academics.smcvt.edu/keverist/images/brecht4.jpg

Goran Visnjic: Croatian

http://i2.tinypic.com/r2ky1y.jpg

Joe Namath: Hungarian

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/031223/031223_vsml_namath_9p.hsmall.jpg

Arkan: Zeliko Raznatovic: Serbian

http://www.medijaklub.cg.yu/arhiva1/images/fotke/Likovi/arkan-ruka.jpg

Günther Oettinger: German

http://i1.tinypic.com/ohmqv9.jpg

I had a hard time finding examples of Dinarid women. I just took these from some "Yugo" site. They're not the best example of the Dinarid type.

Unknown Dinarid looking girls from the Balkans:

http://www.jugoslovenka.com/lydia/lydia_1.jpeg

http://www.jugoslovenka.com/amela/amela_1.jpeg

http://www.jugoslovenka.com/born2befree77/born2befree77_1.jpeg

http://www.jugoslovenka.com/dacika/dacika_1.jpeg

http://www.jugoslovenka.com/mila_lez/mila_lez_1.jpeg

In Hollywood movies, Dinaric men are often casted as the "bad boys" roles (not to say psychos), while Dinaric women are often depicted as vamps. Dracula is a caricature of the Dinaric traits.

http://www.mogu-mogu.com/costume/pro/sam/mask2/3026dracula_2.jpg

Waarnemer
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 12:10 AM
http://www.jugoslovenka.com/born2befree77/born2befree77_1.jpeg
:thumbup very nice! But besides that, you can skip the mental characteristics, which are BS. The dinarid type enjoys through gunther's dubious writings an unexpected and above all positive definition. It will be a surprise, but its the only non-nordid race in which he finds good characteristics, no wonder that he describes himself as nordid with dinarid influence.

János Hunyadi
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:09 PM
But besides that, you can skip the mental characteristics, which are BS. The dinarid type enjoys
through gunther's dubious writings an unexpected and above all positive definition. It will be a surprise, but its the
only non-nordid race in which he finds good characteristics, no wonder that he describes himself as nordid with
dinarid influence.
Yes, that was the work of Günther, the Nordicist that the National Socialists based some of their racial policies on.
A little biased but I definetely think that there are better anthropologists on these matters.

Such views during his time were extreme, but more mainstream Nordic theory was institutionalized. The Nazi state used such ideas about the differences between European races as part of their program of Racial Hygiene and various discriminatory and coercive policies. Hitler himself was later to downplay the importance of Nordicism for this very reason since he was seen as partially Dinarid. The standard tripartite model placed a fair deal of the the population of Hitler's Germany in the Alpine category, as well as some in the Altantid and Dinarid categories, especially after the Anschluss. By 1939 Hitler abandoned Nordicist rhetoric in favour of the idea that the German people as a whole were united more so by distinct "spiritual" qualities.

János Hunyadi
Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 11:42 PM
I think that Vermes Katalin is a rather harmonius example of the Noric type.

Then again there's also Blood Axis of course! ;)

Rhydderch
Thursday, March 16th, 2006, 01:51 PM
But besides that, you can skip the mental characteristics, which are BS.I think he went a bit overboard (mentality is affected by more than genetic makeup, something he didn't seem to take fully into account)), but I also think there is some truth in his analysis. I find his mention of aptitude for music and tendency to combativeness and a quick temper is particularly interesting, especially considering certain conclusions I have recently come to.

János Hunyadi
Tuesday, March 28th, 2006, 04:12 AM
From SNPA




DINARID (Adriatic (Deniker (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#DENIKER, JOSEPH))) Central and southeastern Europid, named with reference to the Dinaric Alps. The Dinarid is considered a Taurid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#TAURID), being a product of the dinaricization (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#DINARICIZATION) of an ancestral population of uncertain affiliation (a Borreby (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#BORREBY)-like Cro-Magnoid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#CRO-MAGNOID) type has been suggested). Dinarids are typically brachycephalic (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#BRACHYCEPHALIC) and planoccipital (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#PLANOCCIPITAL), long-faced and long- and convex-nosed, and intermediate to dark in pigmentation. They are most common in the Balkans, especially in the region of former Yugoslavia, and a Dinarid "belt" extends from France through southern Germany, the Alps and northern Italy, terminating in the western shoreline populations of the Black Sea.





DINARICIZATION An evolutionary process involving brachycephalization (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#BRACHYCEPHALIC), flattening of the occipital (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#OCCIPUT) region, and development of a long and prominent nasal apparatus, typically of extreme convexity. Dinaricization, whatever its precise nature, could be an adaptation to life in mountainous regions, and is allegedly correlated with herding populations. The Eurasian Taurid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#TAURID) types (including the European Dinarid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#DINARIC)) are classic examples of dinaricization, but a tendency may also be observed outside of the Europid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#EUROPID) group, e.g. in certain Indianid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#INDIANID) populations. Coon (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#COON, CARLETON STEVENS) explained the special dinariform (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#DINARIFORM) set of features as the divergent outcome of interbreeding between Alpinid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#ALPINID) and Mediterranid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID) populations of certain proportions (2/3 Mediterranid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID), 1/3 Alpinid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#ALPINID); see The Races of Europe, Photographic Supplement, plate 35 (http://forums.skadi.net/)). It has also been suggested that brachycephalized (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#BRACHYCEPHALIC)Cro-Magnoids (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#CRO-MAGNOID) have been involved in the various formations.










http://i1.tinypic.com/sevjf8.jpg


SNPA considers this man to be a textbook Dinarid.

:P


Absolutely ridiculous if you ask me! This man isn't racially Europid. He looks purely Armenoidal to me. One of the worst examples of a Dinaric that I've ever seen!

Thruthheim
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 04:03 AM
Looking at examples of the Dinarics, I have to say personally i find them to be aesthetically unattractive. Mainly due to the prominent nose, but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.

Agrippa
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 04:28 AM
The example is from Glowatzkis work, I posted the plates, its sticky. However, he had many not ideal examples of average people - but they definitely fall in the respective categories.

Theudiskaz
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 05:43 AM
Looking at examples of the Dinarics, I have to say personally i find them to be aesthetically unattractive. Mainly due to the prominent nose, but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.
I agree. Generally the more dinaric a person is the less attractive they look, especially with women. This does not mean that there aren't individuals who show dinaric features who aren't attractive.

http://www.hungarianmodels.com/girls/087/pic01.jpgClearly not!:naughty

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 06:26 AM
I agree. Generally the more dinaric a person is the less attractive they look, especially with women. This does not mean that there aren't individuals who show dinaric features who aren't attractive.
Clearly not!:naughty



It depends from what kind of Dinarid. Norids, for example, are on average more attractive.

GreenEyes
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 06:27 AM
I agree. Generally the more dinaric a person is the less attractive they look, especially with women. This does not mean that there aren't individuals who show dinaric features who aren't attractive.
Clearly not!:naughty

Okay guys, tell me what is so Dinaric about this lady Vermes Katelin-- I thought it was only really the convex nose shape and the flattened skull that counts? I can't see either on her. :scratch How can you tell from the front of her face?

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 06:58 AM
Looking at examples of the Dinarics, I have to say personally i find them to be aesthetically unattractive. Mainly due to the prominent nose, but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.


Nose is prominent, but skin tone isn't too distant from the nordid one : sure, isn't so rosey, but neither dark like mediterraneans. Rather a light-intermediate complexion.

fms panzerfaust
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 07:01 AM
Katalin have a very aristocratic look. Nice photos.

Rhydderch
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 07:23 AM
I think opinions vary a fair bit as to what the Dinarid really is. I think some are a mixture of Alpine with Mediterranids, and others are a blend of Alpine and what I could call "Bronze Age Dinarid". There is a type I see all the time which has morphological features that perfectly fit the description of the skulls appearing in Western Europe with the Bronze Age, apparently originating in Anatolia, then travelling across the Mediterranean to Spain, and from there into France, the British Isles and central Europe.

In my opinion this is the "true" Dinarid type, although it obviously just depends on definition to a large extent.


Looking at examples of the Dinarics, I have to say personally i find them to be aesthetically unattractive. Mainly due to the prominent nose, but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.This type I refer to is characterised very much by fair skin, a ruddy complexion which tends to be quite red on people like farmers; the hair colour is medium brown, but often reddish, and the eyes blue or green. I suspect that the skulls from the Bronze Age would have belonged to people with this complexion.

It is by no means an unnattractive type, and is one of the commonest in Britain and Ireland.

I'm inclined to think that the darker features attributed to Dinarids is partly due to various phenotypes coming under this definition, and partly to the fact that the type is also quite common in parts of Europe (and indeed some parts of the Middle East) where they are frequently mixed with darker types.

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 08:45 AM
I think opinions vary a fair bit as to what the Dinarid really is. I think some are a mixture of Alpine with Mediterranids, and others are a blend of Alpine and what I could call "Bronze Age Dinarid". There is a type I see all the time which has morphological features that perfectly fit the description of the skulls appearing in Western Europe with the Bronze Age, apparently originating in Anatolia, then travelling across the Mediterranean to Spain, and from there into France, the British Isles and central Europe.

In my opinion this is the "true" Dinarid type, although it obviously just depends on definition to a large extent.

This type I refer to is characterised very much by fair skin, a ruddy complexion which tends to be quite red on people like farmers; the hair colour is medium brown, but often reddish, and the eyes blue or green. I suspect that the skulls from the Bronze Age would have belonged to people with this complexion.



I agree on the entire post. You write the same things i think.


Great anthropologist Renato Biasutti, thought something of similar. He stated a sort of Cromagnid origin for real Dinarids.

The main problem, or better, the fundamental misconception , on the subject originates with Carleton Coon, who simplifies the broblem with the "Alpinid+Med" formula, we all know. Erroneous thesis, reported too, on the "nordish anthropologic association" site.................Dinarid type, simply can't be the result of a Med/alpinid blend, (and neither an armenid variant) : Dinarid , probably is a type its own originated by very different and ancient influences.




I'm inclined to think that the darker features attributed to Dinarids is partly due to various phenotypes coming under this definition, and partly to the fact that the type is also quite common in parts of Europe (and indeed some parts of the Middle East) where they are frequently mixed with darker types


BIG point of misconception..........pigmentation is one of the somatic traits whom influences observers the most : Carlton Coon, took like examples in his studies, people from the Balkans (Serbia, Macedonia, Albania, Greece Bulgaria), very south from the rest of continental Europe, near a notable mass of pure Mediterranean blood (Greece for example), so many "Dinarids" studied by him are probably "mediterranean-influenced". The "brownish skin" reported by Coon is probably the result of Med influence : the real dinarid isn't dark pigmented.

Waarnemer
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 12:54 PM
The "brownish skin" reported by Coon is probably the result of Med influence : the real dinarid isn't dark pigmented.
nonsense, the dinarid IS dark pigmented.

Norid is nordid brachycephalized by dinarid admixture

The skin is brownish.
The hair is generally curly, seldom smooth, and it is fine. Its growth is thick, especially on the body and at the beard. Thick moustaches are often met with, as also heavy eyebrows. The hair is brown to black. Dinaric, ... The eyes are brown to brown-black. The expression of the eyes has often something defiant and self-conscious, and sometimes merry and bluff about it. - from gunther

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The Dinarid race is very tall, dark, high-skulled and round-skulled (brachycephalic), with a very large, long, but also rather broad, face and with a large, more or less bent nose. This race is low in the frequency of blood type gene q. The Dinarid race probably originated in south-eastern Europe. from lundman


but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.
Only because you're a nordicist. Pigmentation is irrelevant, even on the contrary, most people prefer a tan.

Thruthheim
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Only because you're a nordicist. Pigmentation is irrelevant, even on the contrary, most people prefer a tan.

Yes, sadly as far as im aware there isn't a name for people who admire Dinarics ;) Rosey complexion, not pale. ;)

Digitalseal
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 01:06 PM
What separates Dinarids from Armenids?

Waarnemer
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Yes, sadly as far as im aware there isn't a name for people who admire Dinarics ;) Rosey complexion, not pale. ;)
it isn't as simplistic as you may think



What separates Dinarids from Armenids?
To give a very generalistic and unspecific approach, the process is the same, only dinarids developed from european cromagnid sources - dinarization is a process without a genetic relation and through convergent evolution - and armenoids are basically alien to europe.

Thruthheim
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 01:19 PM
it isn't as simplistic as you may think


Ok i guess you are unquestionably right then ;)

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 01:51 PM
Yes, sadly as far as im aware there isn't a name for people who admire Dinarics ;)

Well, there are terms for any kind of admiration : Nordicism, Mediterranism, Dinaricism...........:P

Thruthheim
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:03 PM
Well, there are terms for any kind of admiration : Nordicism, Mediterranism, Dinaricism...........:P

Never heard of a dinarist though nor a political movement based upon it :P

Waarnemer
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:10 PM
Never heard of a dinarist though nor a political movement based upon it :P
viewed in a wider sense the exist, progressivists like agrippa, lundman, eickstedt etc. Even in national socialist germany

vingul
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:22 PM
SNPA considers this man to be a textbook Dinarid.

:P


Absolutely ridiculous if you ask me! This man isn't racially Europid. He looks purely Armenoidal to me. One of the worst examples of a Dinaric that I've ever seen!

Sorry, just saw this. I changed the Dinarid pic some time ago though, so this has been "corrected" if you will. The Glossary is ever-expanding, and hopefully ever-improving.

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm
http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/bilder/glossdinarid.jpg

Thruthheim
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Looking at my own countrymen/woman on TV, Im spotting the keltic types, But their Dinaric influenced Noses doesn't strike me as unnattractive. This makes me think that when the dinaric is mild or isn't the predominant component within a phenotype, it can compliment an appearance. It's just the over proportionate noses of the Dinarid(Graf) which made me think of them as aesthetically unattractive.

Would this be right? Could someone show me picture examples of Dinaric/Noric/Norid.. for comparison.

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:52 PM
viewed in a wider sense the exist, progressivists like agrippa, lundman, eickstedt etc. Even in national socialist germany


That's right. Many famous anthropologists, noted a distinctive progressivness in the Dinarid. And several associate the Dinarid more with Central Europe and Nordids than with Mediterraneans and Alpinids.

vingul
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Textbook examples of Dinarids are usually extreme and not exceedingly representative (typical is by no means "normal" or "usual"). I guess the intention of illustrating typical features sometimes transcends itself and becomes caricature, such as those exaggerated "Draculoids" one sometimes finds as Dinarid examples. The same is true of Coon's photographic examples of Swedish UP individual (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/bilder/troe042.jpg)s, which are hardly representative of anything.

Thruthheim
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 02:59 PM
http://worldsoccerjersey.com/access/media/Totti%20As%20Roma.jpg
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0406/27/SPORT-27s26-totti-58_368.jpg
http://www.blog.raisport.rai.it/archives/images/totti%20del%20piero.jpg

Is Totti Dinaric?

Galaico
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:03 PM
http://worldsoccerjersey.com/access/media/Totti%20As%20Roma.jpg
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0406/27/SPORT-27s26-totti-58_368.jpg
http://www.blog.raisport.rai.it/archives/images/totti%20del%20piero.jpg

Is Totti Dinaric?

Norid IMO.

vingul
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Is Totti Dinaric?

Mostly, imo. But his jaw is too wide for a type specimen. There are probably CM (and Nordid?) influences at play.

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:07 PM
.
Would this be right? Could someone show me picture examples of Dinaric/Noric/Norid.. for comparison.


Well, i consider myself Dinarid, less or more, and many consider me almost Norid , (some observers said "vaguely Keltic", too)

http://i2.tinypic.com/xbw95u.jpg


It's bizzarre posting yourself like example :P , but, at least, we can start some sort of comparation..........

Galaico
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:09 PM
I think you are mostly Norid.

vingul
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:11 PM
Just to repeat my assessment.

"I would suggest that the most important element is Dinarid, seen especially in the forehead and nasal profiles. However, I think there is also an important unreduced (and probably mostly depigmented) CM influence, judging by the width and formation of your jaw, as well as the tendential projection of glabella (on the browridge), which are not Dinarid traits. Also, the profile of your chin strikes me as - for lack of a better word - "French", which might suggest that at least some of your CM influence is Alpinid (however I would not stress the possibility of such influence).

Whether you have Nordid influences or not is difficult to tell, because of the unreduced (probably Dalo-Falid) CM element, but as a sweeping generalization I would probably say that you approximate a Noric. But don't quote me on that last generalization.

Anyway, that's my opinion. :thumbup"

Huzar
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:15 PM
but as a sweeping generalization I would probably say that you approximate a Noric. But don't quote me on that last generalization.


To be sincere, i haven't quoted your comment, Vingul, rather what many other observers said about me. Just to precise it.

vingul
Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 03:42 PM
To be sincere, i haven't quoted your comment, Vingul, rather what many other observers said about me. Just to precise it.

Oh, I didn't mean it like that. I just wanted to throw my two cents to the public. :)

Rhydderch
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 02:29 AM
nonsense, the dinarid IS dark pigmented.Well, as I implied earlier, it depends on definition. For my part, I think the Dinarid which entered Europe in the Bronze Age was a brown haired, fair skinned and light eyed type.


Norid is nordid brachycephalized by dinarid admixturePersonally, I think it might be rather a Dinarid "blondized" (If I can use such a term) by Nordic or Borreby mixture, and therefore predominantly Dinarid.


The skin is brownish.
The hair is generally curly, seldom smooth, and it is fine. Its growth is thick, especially on the body and at the beard. Thick moustaches are often met with, as also heavy eyebrows. The hair is brown to black. Dinaric, ... The eyes are brown to brown-black.The colouring and hair form sounds somewhat Litorid if anything.


The Dinarid race is very tall, dark, high-skulled and round-skulled (brachycephalic), with a very large, long, but also rather broad, face and with a large, more or less bent nose.Dinarid has a convex and prominent nose of course, but otherwise this sounds more like a description of Armenids.

Rhydderch
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:10 AM
Looking at my own countrymen/woman on TV, Im spotting the keltic types, But their Dinaric influenced Noses doesn't strike me as unnattractive.What you are seeing is probably the type I'm referring to; most people might just consider it Keltic, but I've noticed that the prominent nose is not correlated with the exceptionally low vault or "exaggeratedly sloping" forehead which characterise the Keltic Iron Age type (this latter is probably a mixed type). It is in fact associated with skeletal proportions very much like the Bronze Age skulls of the "food vessel" people and others. So it seems to me that true Dinarids are a lot commoner in Britain and Ireland than people realise.

The very low vault and sloping forehead seem to be more of an Atlanto-Mediterranean trait.


This makes me think that when the dinaric is mild or isn't the predominant component within a phenotype, it can compliment an appearance. It's just the over proportionate noses of the Dinarid(Graf) which made me think of them as aesthetically unattractive.

Would this be right? Could someone show me picture examples of Dinaric/Noric/Norid.. for comparison.I wish I could post some pictures of the Dinarids I see in my area all the time; I might be able to find examples of the type on the internet.
On the other hand, would you be able to describe the Keltic look that you referred to?

Thruthheim
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:26 AM
What i meant was, that the nose on the keltic type(which is dinarid inspired i assume), doesn't look noticeably big, atleast not compared to proper Dinarids.

Rhydderch
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:35 AM
What i meant was, that the nose on the keltic type(which is dinarid inspired i assume), doesn't look noticeably big, atleast not compared to proper Dinarids.In what respect then is it Dinarid-influenced?

The type I'm thinking of has a noticeably long, prominent (and convex) nose, but it's very much a narrow one. When you say "big", do you mean prominence without being very narrow?

Rhydderch
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:50 AM
Well, i consider myself Dinarid, less or more, and many consider me almost Norid , (some observers said "vaguely Keltic", too)

http://i2.tinypic.com/xbw95u.jpg


It's bizzarre posting yourself like example :P , but, at least, we can start some sort of comparation..........Being a bit more familiar with Alpinids than when I last had a go at your classification, I do think you show some Alpinid influence (plus Dinarid, of course). As Vingul said, you do look rather French, and I guess Northern Italy is similar to Southern France, racially.

Huzar
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Being a bit more familiar with Alpinids than when I last had a go at your classification, I do think you show some Alpinid influence (plus Dinarid, of course). As Vingul said, you do look rather French, and I guess Northern Italy is similar to Southern France, racially.

Very interesting. Almost all the observers say the same thing about me : "You look French...." :P ; well, that's true, afterall : North-Italy phenotypically similar to a big part of France, effectively.


About the Alpinid......well, maybe. Perhaps i'm a bit too tall for the Alpinid (i'm 6'3" or 190 cm.), but this could originating from the Dinarid.

János Hunyadi
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 09:56 AM
Would this be right? Could someone show me picture examples of Dinaric/Noric/Norid.. for comparison.

I'm also curious to know what the difference between a Norid and a Noric is.

János Hunyadi
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 10:04 AM
I once thought that I was predominately Dinarid because I had a convex nose and a low/receding forehead.

Greeneyes occupit thread really helped me to determine my subracial identity.

I found out that l lacked one of the key Dinarid traits (the flattening of the occupit region). I also found out that true Dinarids had higher foreheads then I did and that low/receding foreheads were actually a Keltic-Nordid trait.

All in all, my head shape seemed closest to the Keltic subtype even though my pigmentation didn't meet the standards for it.

Like most Central Eurpeans I'm quite subracially mixed.

I see myself as mix of Central European Nordid (Keltic), slight Dinarid, and gracile Meditteritid. (either Atlantid or Pontid)

János Hunyadi
Monday, May 15th, 2006, 10:28 AM
It's just the over proportionate noses of the Dinarid(Graf) which made me think of them as aesthetically unattractive. .

Graf and Oettinger seem like extreme examples of the convex nose type.

fareast
Sunday, May 21st, 2006, 11:25 AM
Graf is noric type,not dinaric.

vingul
Sunday, May 21st, 2006, 09:53 PM
Graf is noric type,not dinaric.

Nitpicking. Norid = "Dinaroid". ;)

Denger
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Is this girl Noric (blond Dinaric):

http://www.tennis-x.com/images/players/karatancheva.jpg

Agrippa
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 07:22 PM
Is this girl Noric (blond Dinaric):

http://www.tennis-x.com/images/players/karatancheva.jpg

Hard to tell without a profile picture.

Denger
Saturday, October 7th, 2006, 12:12 AM
Here's a better pic:

http://www.karatantcheva.com/pic/gallery/21Sesil_Karatancheva_5.jpg

Could be some type of Nordic, but I think that she has some Dinaric characteristics.

Nseag
Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 08:33 PM
PRED.DINARID: DINARID TYPES (http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3323/nordiddinaridanddinaridelementsig0.jpg)

Veritas Æquitas
Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 11:05 PM
http://i2.tinypic.com/xbw95u.jpg


http://i10.tinypic.com/2vani8y.jpg

Agrippa
Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 11:45 PM
PRED.DINARID: DINARID TYPES (http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3323/nordiddinaridanddinaridelementsig0.jpg)


More than half are just Nordid...

Veritas Æquitas
Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 11:56 PM
More than half are just Nordid...

Rather Nordids altered by Dinarid mixture in my opinion..

Agrippa
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Rather Nordids altered by Dinarid mixture in my opinion..

Well, half is just Nordid, one Iranid, the rest Nordid altered by Dinarid admixture and some are really Dinarid...a lot are even textbook Nordid in the true sense - they are from textbooks and have the typical Nordid characteristics. More prominent, longer and even somewhat convex nose doesnt mean Dinarid necessarily. Crucial is the headshape and the exact shape of the nose.

János Hunyadi
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 03:41 AM
More than half are just Nordid...

And one in that gallery looks entirely out of place! :D

Veritas Æquitas
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 06:29 AM
I've always thought of actor Ivano Marescotti as the perfect example of what a Dinarid is:

http://i9.tinypic.com/48h3gwi.jpghttp://i10.tinypic.com/2yxmatt.jpg

Huzar
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 09:00 AM
http://i2.tinypic.com/xbw95u.jpg


http://i10.tinypic.com/2vani8y.jpg



You know, i don't know if they're typical. The second one, imo, shares a clear Gracile-Mediterranid influence.


Anyway, there is no dubt : the first one, is the most handsome, progressive, intelligent of all dinarids here...................:D :P

Jäger
Friday, October 13th, 2006, 09:07 AM
More than half are just Nordid...
He even used the HJ picture photoshoped by OneFakeSaxon :D
C'mon now, that is weird.

I bet he is actually a good guy with eyes of 20 diopter or something.

Nseag
Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 04:10 AM
More than half are just Nordid...

But with Dinarid Influence all


He even used the HJ picture photoshoped by OneFakeSaxon :D
C'mon now, that is weird.

I bet he is actually a good guy with eyes of 20 diopter or something.


¿?¿? I took that photo because I do not have it without the modification

simply. But is a good example of Nordid+Dinarid


PRED.DINARID: DINARID TYPES (http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3323/nordiddinaridanddinaridelementsig0.jpg)

Nordids+Dinarid, Nordids+Dinarid+slight Alpinid, ,1 pred.Armenid/Dinarid+ possibly slight other. (ALL DINARIZEDS).

it was explained in the photo. It thought that it was sufficiently clear that they were not pure dinarids.:thumbup

Agrippa
Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Most have at best minor Dinaroid influences and f.e. the man with the headset or one of the Nordic woman being classic Nordid.

walshy
Friday, October 27th, 2006, 12:30 PM
I was curious about my Romanian girlfriends skull shape (and her father's) and ended up here. I now suspect you would call her 'Dinaric' (or is that Dinarid?)

Anyway she has a wide , high skull , flat at the back , big dark wide open eyes , a curved nose. Tall and long legged, clumsy and a bit lazy...

To be homest I was concerned that she was a bit abnormal, I am ashamed to say as I am from Northern England and was not aware that heads of this shape were 'normal'. However since travelling to Romania I have seen many people with these features.

I was also curious what our babies would be like as I am reddish haired, saxon-anglo , wide feet , blue eyes.

How strong will the Dinaric heritage be? Will any 2 types combined result in roughly equal dilution of features?

thanks, great site.

Paul

Agrippa
Saturday, October 28th, 2006, 06:09 PM
The result of procreation and recombination can hardly be predicted in detail, but she seems to be mostly Dinarid indeed if going after the picture and your description.

Nseag
Saturday, December 30th, 2006, 04:33 PM
But with Dinarid Influence all




¿?¿? I took that photo because I do not have it without the modification

simply. But is a good example of Nordid+Dinarid



Nordids+Dinarid, Nordids+Dinarid+slight Alpinid, ,1 pred.Armenid/Dinarid+ possibly slight other. (ALL DINARIZEDS).

it was explained in the photo. It thought that it was sufficiently clear that they were not pure dinarids.:thumbup

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/732/nordiddinaridanddinaridcx4.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nordiddinaridanddinaridcx4. jpg)

Maxxtro
Saturday, December 30th, 2006, 06:07 PM
I don't believe in dinarics being a race of their own.

I'm convinced that dinaric is a well established blend or maybe a transition between nordid/med + afro-asiatic race (Middle East/North Africa) + mongoloid. Although they are by far predominantly west europid (nordid/med) sometimes the admixture lean to "afro-asiatic" side mostly and mongoloid being the minor piece.

Most of the so called Noric are just nordid with a slightly convex nose. They just come to be out of the nordid range when the index of brachycephalization is very high, the nose bone is hyper convex and the nose somewhat fleshy. The slightly convex nose is undoubtely a common feature around the world and not a feature only attributed to a fictional race called dinaric.

valaireurope
Tuesday, August 10th, 2010, 01:38 AM
is the admixture of dinarid and east baltic possible ?

and what is the name of that subrace ?

Agrippa
Wednesday, August 11th, 2010, 10:41 AM
is the admixture of dinarid and east baltic possible ?

and what is the name of that subrace ?

Dinarid-Eastbaltid? ;)

Mixture is always possible, between all races, since we are one biospecies. Yet not every mixture needs to be named other than by the components involved, especially if there exist no stable forms of some age and with no regional predominance.

TotalDegenerate
Monday, April 16th, 2012, 12:51 PM
I heard that Adolf Hitler was noric

I always thought Hitler was Noric or Dinarid in phenotype.

Lucio
Tuesday, April 17th, 2012, 02:50 AM
Personally, I think Günther was not very "extreme" in his views, but one of the most objective raical theorists of his time if compared with his contemporary colleagues such as Hans Hermann (who saw Goethe as an "Abraham grandson" just because of his dark eyes and curved nose), Hermann Gauch (who wrote about the "Nordic nature" of the births who could be taught to talk), Eugen Duhring (who accused Wagner, Schiller and Lessing of carrying jewish blood based on their curved noses), Karl Weinländer (who believed in the animalistic and materialist impulses of the people with short skulls) or Otto Hauser (who saw a Nordic German in Napoleon´s racial profile).

I enjoy reading Günther´s books very much, despite nowadays we seek to preserve the Nordic race rather than prove its superiority over the other breeds.

Anyway, there´s a new racial classification now, let see if you agree with it.

http://europa-soberana.blogia.com/2011/101201-the-new-racial-classification-i-.php

celticviking
Wednesday, August 8th, 2012, 08:28 AM
Novak Djokovic- Pontid + Dinarid
Veljko Mandić - Dinarid
Martin Huba- Dinarid
Dardan Rexhepi- Dinarid
Stanley Tucci- Dinaro-Med