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Theudiskaz
Tuesday, March 7th, 2006, 10:19 PM
I have decided to post pictures of Frisians who I have deemed to be good examples of the Anglo-Saxon race. I haven't been doing this for too long and I'm trying to get a sense of how accurate my classifications are. Do you agree that they are Anglo-Saxon?


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53642&d=1141769728

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53639&d=1141769401


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53643&d=1141769952


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53641&d=1141769728 http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53640&d=1141769401

Janus
Tuesday, March 7th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Can't judge it on these individuals since my knowledge is too narrow but genetical researched found out that the friseans are almost identical with the anglo-saxons of England.

Theudiskaz
Tuesday, March 7th, 2006, 11:29 PM
Yes I have read the same myself. But they only tested mitochondrial D.N.A. from individuals whose ancestors had been living in England for atleast two hundred years and I think it only applies to people from East Anglia, where Anglo-saxon settlement was apparently the most thorough. In addition to this, Frisian is the closest language to English. I just wrote a report on this subject for my linguistics course.

It seems to me from looking on the internet that there are more English-looking people, i.e. people who are phenotypically Anglo-saxon type in Friesland than in England. There are probably more Anglo-saxon types in Great Britain's former colonies: U.S., Canda, and Especially Australia than there are left in Britain. It's a real shame.

Jäger
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 09:03 AM
It seems to me from looking on the internet that there are more English-looking people, ...
Never a good idea ;), I have been to England quite often and while London suffers from the same fate as many major cities in Europe, I have seen many AS looking people in England, mostly not in the cities though.
Chances are the pictures you can see on the interent are selective, just because some areas just have more medial attention.

Sigurd Volsung
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Never a good idea ;), I have been to England quite often and while London suffers from the same fate as many major cities in Europe, I have seen many AS looking people in England, mostly not in the cities though.
Chances are the pictures you can see on the interent are selective, just because some areas just have more medial attention. Agreed. London has a wide range of people, although there are some Anglo-Saxons, the majority of which are found in rural areas in South-East England.

OdinThor
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 03:55 PM
This one looks rather like a typical Frisian. I dont think I would mistake him for english.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=53642&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1141769728

Theudiskaz
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 05:50 PM
I think the only thing about him that doesn't look "English" is his tan and if he lived in England where it is cloudier he would probably look more pale and thus perfectly English. But morphologically I think that he is a very good example of the Anglo-Saxon type.

Thruthheim
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 05:56 PM
It seems to me from looking on the internet that there are more English-looking people, i.e. people who are phenotypically Anglo-saxon type in Friesland than in England. There are probably more Anglo-saxon types in Great Britain's former colonies: U.S., Canda, and Especially Australia than there are left in Britain. It's a real shame.

I think the boldened highlights what an unreliable way it is too find out.
Probably also makes no sense whatsoever. Evidence is only credible if it's closely related to Fact ;)

Thruthheim
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 05:59 PM
I think the only thing about him that doesn't look "English" is his tan and if he lived in England where it is cloudier he would probably look more pale and thus perfectly English. But morphologically I think that he is a very good example of the Anglo-Saxon type.

Mate, Im a Gota, I don't have significant pale skin, despite England being cloudy. England is as Cloudy as the Netherlands.. they are very close in geograpahical location. So try not to judge too loosely based on a few selected individuals.

You have to come to England, compare East Anglia to the South West etc, and then go to Friesland and compare.. That's the only objective way, the Internet is not objective.

Theudiskaz
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 06:19 PM
I don't dispute anything that you said Thruthheim! I never claimed that this observation I made represented the TRUTH. It's simply what it seemed like to me. The ONLY thing I hold to be FACT is that these individuals are racially Anglo-Saxon. Now, if you disagree with me thats great. You live in England. I am an American who has never been to England, so you obviously have much more first hand experience than I do.

Please don't take me for a simple-minded idiot who thinks that a google image search PROVES conclusively that there are more Anglo-saxon types outside of England than in England. It only seems that way to me. We're having a discussion here. I don't pretend to be an expert with all the answers.

If I added "IMO" or "IMHO" to the end of every sentence like everyone else seems to do, would that help? People always seem to get angry with me for no good reason. Is my choice of words too strong or something? Tell me. I would honestly like to know.

Thruthheim
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 09:07 PM
I don't dispute anything that you said Thruthheim! I never claimed that this observation I made represented the TRUTH. It's simply what it seemed like to me. The ONLY thing I hold to be FACT is that these individuals are racially Anglo-Saxon. Now, if you disagree with me thats great. You live in England. I am an American who has never been to England, so you obviously have much more first hand experience than I do.

Please don't take me for a simple-minded idiot who thinks that a google image search PROVES conclusively that there are more Anglo-saxon types outside of England than in England. It only seems that way to me. We're having a discussion here. I don't pretend to be an expert with all the answers.

If I added "IMO" or "IMHO" to the end of every sentence like everyone else seems to do, would that help? People always seem to get angry with me for no good reason. Is my choice of words too strong or something? Tell me. I would honestly like to know.

Sorry my dear friend, My words were not intended to come across aggressively. :)

I think im used to people de-nordicizing England, So im quick on the ball when I get that instinct, again unintentional of me to offend :)

I Only negated your comment because it seemed unfounded, as you yourself honourably noted that the Net isn't a reliable source for a thing such as this, and your comment at the end "It's a real shame", almost made it sound conclusive.

You may actually be right about the Anglo Saxon type and where it predominates, but i just had to step in and highlight that it was only one angle in ascerting the conclusion. ;)

I think we need Agrippa, Glenlivet etc to maybe add their opinion on the actual proportion of Anglo Saxons in the aforementioned Nations/regions. :thumbup

Theudiskaz
Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 11:12 PM
That would be great if we got some people with more expertise on this subject to respond to this thread.

If England is still nordic, and I hope to God it is, then I cannot blame you for being agressive toward people who deny its nordicness. I myself identify most strongly with my anglo-saxon ancestry and it aggrivates me to no end that the English nation is being attcked from every angle; racially, culturally, politically. Which brings up another subject, what's it like being an English nationalist? How does the average englishman feel about immigration? Are you involved in any nationalist groups or political parties?

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 03:56 AM
If England is still nordic, and I hope to God it is, then I cannot blame you for being agressive toward people who deny its nordicness. I myself identify most strongly with my anglo-saxon ancestry and it aggrivates me to no end that the English nation is being attcked from every angle; racially, culturally, politically. Which brings up another subject, what's it like being an English nationalist? How does the average englishman feel about immigration? Are you involved in any nationalist groups or political parties?

England is still Nordic, i feel people who want to negate An English Germanic belonging like to defile the Nordicness, and constantly use examples of less Nordid individuals as Englishmen and women.

I personally think, Keltic Nordic is maybe the most predominant. As we both know, the 8% Gota/Osterdal/Halstatt Nordic isn't predominant, but at 8% it is then significant in a 50 Million population.

I have talked with someone else interested in phenotypes, whom isn't English but lives here. He Has travelled across Britain, and he like myself quiries the currently accepted predominant areas of phenotypes, For instance, South West England is often said to have a high number of Nord-Atlantids and Paleo's, But there didn't seem to be at all. Lincoln and places within the Danelaw and Bordering East Anglia seem to be very Nordid. I personally think, that Central England and the North(Birmingham and Up)is More Nordid than the South. Although the South is still very Nordid, it doesn't seem so easy to Work out. London has many Nordid individuas, as does Kent, but with London, due to White Flight and struggling hard to find a real Londoner, its not easy to tell. It's easier just to say White. :(

But im not sure how much of England is "Anglo Saxon" in phenotype, if i remember correctly, SNPA claims it's only 20%. I think Keltic Nordic got 30%!? So...

This man below is a boxer from Lincoln.. Anglo Saxon maybe? Name is Tony Dowling.
http://www.britishboxing.net/img/records/boxers/picture_16649.jpg

Lee Swaby , Boxer from Lincoln

http://www.britishboxing.net/img/records/boxers/picture_27.jpg

http://www.lincoln.gov.uk/imglib/uk_map1.gif



http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/jtbrown/coc/COC586C.JPG
http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/metl/images/people/smithlg.jpg
Large Image

http://www.bi-aura.com/images/people/walker_carol_anne.jpg
http://wigleyandassociates.com/albums/ukfeb2005/IMG_0033.sized.jpg

All of these pics were of people from Lincoln. Remember Lincoln is on the coast and is well within the Danelaw settlement.

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 04:06 AM
Hmm.. What's it like being an English Nationalist?
Well.. It's not plain sailing, Nationalism is basically a taboo, Like Sex was in Victorian times. People have an unpleasant picture of Nationalists, which the Media have given them by constanty associating them with Nazism.
And then there's the other taboo, Racialism.

The average Englishman, if he is honest, Dislikes Immigration, or atleast feel it should be strictly limited. The average Englishman will likely have some inclination to racialist tendencies, but very few are brave enough to step out of the mainstream safety of ignorance is bliss. The modern commidities we are afforded, Sky television, Cheap ready meals, Premiership football and Cheap Alcohol, to them, gives them a reason only to care about the now, and not the tomorrow!

Im not a member of any party, but i vote BNP, donate money and also purchase of their website. I will join soon mind, i would also like to attend the RWB festival :) Apparently there's a band of BNP supporters who leaflet in my area, so i may join them also.

Good thing is, that the media is leaking right wing news and rhetoric bit by bit, as times are changing, and can only go in the favour of Nationalism, or Right Wing. But it would have to be radical to change the current situation.

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 04:14 AM
I don't think this pic will help us in the pro Nordid search. But all info is useful.

A rugby team from Lincoln.
http://www.lincolnrugby.co.uk/docs/fixtures/reports%200304/teamphotos/bsteamphoto.JPG

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Click both rugby pics to enlarge.

http://www.lincolnrugby.co.uk/docs/fixtures/reports%200304/teamphotos/1stteamphoto.JPG

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 04:44 AM
England's woman's football team, please ignore the Non-Europids ;)

http://www.euro2005.net/wB/sports_team/england_women/england%20v%20sweden%20450x342.jpg

Theudiskaz
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 04:54 AM
Most impressive. These women (the white ones) are well beyond my expectations and hopes for the nordicness of the average englishwoman. Very encouraging!

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 06:03 AM
Most impressive. These women (the white ones) are well beyond my expectations and hopes for the nordicness of the average englishwoman. Very encouraging!


These are 3 Girl-friends of mine back from School. They are 16 here. All naturally fair haired. All have Blue eyes also. Sadly, 2 have miscegenated, and 1 is currently doing so in a relationship. We are in the Home counties region, roughly connected to East Anglia.
http://i2.tinypic.com/r0noed.jpg

Theudiskaz
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 02:02 PM
They are all nordid from what I can tell. The girl on the left might be keltic-nordic/atlanto-mediterranean, the middle one Anglo-Saxon, and the one one the right looks Faelish with some anglo-saxon IMHO. But hard to be sure from picture.

Allenson
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 02:22 PM
There are probably more Anglo-saxon types in Great Britain's former colonies: U.S., Canda, and Especially Australia than there are left in Britain. It's a real shame.


I've long held (or at least since I started to concern myself with such matters ;) ) that there was a significant drain of A-S types from England to her former colonies. Surely other types went too....I don't want to imply otherwise



Nice discussion, folks!

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 06:23 PM
They are all nordid from what I can tell. The girl on the left might be keltic-nordic/atlanto-mediterranean, the middle one Anglo-Saxon, and the one one the right looks Faelish with some anglo-saxon IMHO. But hard to be sure from picture.

The one on the right is 1/4 Italian.
The one on the left is more than half Scottish and the central girl is just English.

Theudiskaz
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 08:34 PM
:-O Interesting! If I had known one of them was Italian, I would have guessed it was the girl on the left, because she looks somewhat Dinaric, which is common among Italians. The one on the right didn't look Mediterranean at all to me.

Thruthheim
Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 08:46 PM
They are all nordid from what I can tell. The girl on the left might be keltic-nordic/atlanto-mediterranean, the middle one Anglo-Saxon, and the one one the right looks Faelish with some anglo-saxon IMHO. But hard to be sure from picture.

The girl on the left was very blonde as a child, with blue eyes, her hair has darkened but is dark blonde now. I can't see any Atlantid strain in her at all.. And her parents don't have any dark pigmentation either.

The girl who is 1/4 Italian, she has 3 siblings. Her 2 sisters are very Blonde, one very depigmented, white blonde hair. Her brother has tanned skin, brown eyes and brown hair. He looks more italian out of the lot.

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 02:14 PM
Thruthheim, when you said "two have miscegenated", with which race? There seems to be alot less miscegenation in the U.S. than in G.B. Our main concerns with foreigners here are crime (esp. blacks and hispanics) and the mexicans taking jobs from us.

Waarnemer
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 04:43 PM
England certainly is predominantly nordid. Phenotypical pure nordid traits however are spread over the island, but its mainly depending on the region - the east is (slightly?) more within the nordid range. But i agree with thruthheim, overall england has a strong nordid element (mostly of the keltic substrain), but he has underestimated the atlantomediterranid subtype, which is still a major player in england since the end of the neolithic, and within britain & newengland generally. Types like mel gibson are well represented on the isles, perhaps even more so than classic nordids. And in comparison with germany, england should be considered strongly nordid. It's not all bad news for you british nordicists ;).

Both teams aren't nordid, the would be mostly cromagnid blended with nordid and atlantid strains.

Thruthheim
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 06:39 PM
Thruthheim, when you said "two have miscegenated", with which race? There seems to be alot less miscegenation in the U.S. than in G.B. Our main concerns with foreigners here are crime (esp. blacks and hispanics) and the mexicans taking jobs from us.

The one currently miscegenating is with a Half-negroid. The Other who had done so in a 4 year relationship, was with either a Half-Negroid or 1/4 Negroid.

Glynd Eastŵd
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:07 PM
Thruthheim, when you said "two have miscegenated", with which race? There seems to be alot less miscegenation in the U.S. than in G.B.
Are you kidding? :-O

We have Pakistanis, Libyans, Yemenis, Blacks, Koreans, Indians, and varios other immigrants. The bulk of them are of young, unmarried men. Most actively seek indigenous females to settle down with. :thumbdown

There is a lot of race mixing which goes on here but (generally) it is confined to the lower classes; girls who are unambitious and 'easy'. I can't accurately comment on the situation in England, but during my occasional visits it seems just as bad, if not worse.

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:12 PM
That boils my blood, Thruthheim I just got out my german class in which I had to listen to my incidentally very nordid teacher go on and on about how wonderful it is that germany is being multiculturalized and being swamped with 3rd-worlders. The situation in Europe makes me want to cry.

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:16 PM
I don't know where you live in America, Nausea.But here in the lower midwest ther isn't too much miscegenation. We're pretty solidly germanic-celtic. I'm sure some of that is going on in the big cities though.

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:18 PM
I'm sorry I just noticed that you live in Wales. So are you agreeing with me or what?

Glynd Eastŵd
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:25 PM
I'm sorry I just noticed that you live in Wales. So are you agreeing with me or what?
Sorry, I mis-read your post. I'm so used to reading posts about race-mixing by Americans that I assumed you were saying lots of it goes on. I agree with you, sorry.

I lived in North Carolina for a little while and the races there seemed quite fixed (if that makes sense). The whites and blacks kept to their own culture quite rigidly. In the UK it's different; people are not used to living in a multi-culturalist society. It will be a few years before people begin to realise the problems of race-mixing.

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Here are some English people or anglos from Australia and America who I think might fit the bill for the Anglo-Saxon subrace. Please give your assessment

Q.
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:38 PM
There is a lot of race mixing which goes on here but (generally) it is confined to the lower classes;
This infact is the punctum saliens; most of those entailing racial mashing (especially with negr[o]id elements) are apparently not of higher erudition, thus it's not that to be most flawing for our peoples as some dread -not that it ist a desirable developement -; but it is mostly restricted to those parts of the society, who hold the least worth for it. On the contrary, educated persons don't tend to reproduce at all anymore, which is a even more unsettling progression, that by far mars the quality of our racial compound more, than those mixing with Negroes could ever wreak.

salvete

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Stimmt. Die niedrige Leute verbreiten immer mehr als die gute Art. Es ist vom Anfang der Civilisation so, und wird immer schlechter.

Wie viele Kinder hat die Mehrheit von den Deutschen Heute? Ich kann nicht mich das an erinnern, aber ich glaube die Deutschen ein sehr schlimmeres Gebutenrate Heute als ihre Nachbarn haben.

Q.
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 08:08 PM
1,37 children per woman, which is definitely not enough when knowing that the 'precioust', mainly women of higher literacy and education have in average even less than those 1,37.

The statistic depicts the appraised clinal differences, that we're to face in the future near to come:

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B464ECFB4-EDF5-49ED-AF92-E452912180C0%7Dpicture.gif



I hope you can read it, although it's German, but as I see that you have some Proficiency of the German tongue, so it'll be fine...:thumbup

Gruß

Theudiskaz
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 09:06 PM
Absolutely devastating. Germans need to start making more babies! I've read that its seen as somewhat of an embarrassment to have more than two children nowadays.

The Black Prince
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Here are some English people or anglos from Australia and America who I think might fit the bill for the Anglo-Saxon subrace. Please give your assessment

In my opinion:

Unknown woman: Looks Borreby with Faelid admixture.
Bill Nighy: pred. Anglo-Saxon, imho.
John Cleese: Anglo-Saxon wider range (maybe Atlantid admixture)
Bruce Spencer: Skando-Nordid/Anglo-Saxon (looks like a local farmer I know).
Ben Franklin: Nordid + Borreby perhaps, not sure.
Last guy: Thinking in the same direction as Bruce.


I think the women you have shown till sofar are in the UP (Borreby,Faelid) region, Nyessen wrote that the sexual index among the Frisians was among 85 (if I'm right), in general this sexual dimorphism would be meaning that the woman where more gracile as the men, this wouldn't rule out more robuster women, but coarse types would be less typical.

I think Joke Bruijs (Dutch) would fit an Anglo-Saxon phenotype:

http://i2.tinypic.com/r2nx3m.jpghttp://i2.tinypic.com/r2ntb6.jpg

Jäger
Friday, March 10th, 2006, 09:15 PM
I've read that its seen as somewhat of an embarrassment to have more than two children nowadays.
Not really, there are mayn factors for the childlessness but that's not one of them.
To put it short, in a our society a career woman lowers her competitive value if she gets kids, and being a stay-at-home mom seems not very inciteing to german mothers, not to mention that with more than 1 kid these is from a financial view simply not really possible.

Theudiskaz
Saturday, May 27th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Here are some good examples of the Anglo-Saxon (and Troender) types, from some random videos out of Friesland, I found on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Fryslan&search_type=search_videos
This is how the Anglo-Saxon invaders must have looked. And I understand that people in East Anglia still preserve this phenotype well.