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Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 04:49 PM
Are National Socialism and Satanism related? And if they are, how are they related? Are they both forms of Paganism? Those questions are old and often asked – and many would answer them differently than I do. A National Socialist might say National Socialism has nothing to do with Satanism and/or Paganism - a Satanist might say Satanism has nothing to do with National Socialism and/or Paganism – a pagan might say Paganism has nothing to do with National Socialism and/or Satanism. Nevertheless, I think those creeds have more in common than most people think and/or admit. In addition, I think many people who adhere to those infamous creeds do not fully comprehend their essence – many do not understand the message – rather they worship the dead shell of the creeds. For example, wannabe-Vikings re-enacting Viking games (would the true Vikings have re-enacted stone-age people?), wannabe Satanists dressing up with horns or as vampires, and wannabe National Socialists dressing up as SS officers - etc. The core - the essence - of those creeds, is more important than the dead shell so many like to cover themselves with.

To answer those questions we must understand what National Socialism, Satanism and paganism are - and we must understand why these questions are asked. In this quest to understand these infamous creeds one wonders where he should begin - a good place should be the beginning.

At the dawn of Man, his culture and civilization is a pure organism of creativeness - a race. A unique race, not the only race but the Aryan race. What makes this race so unique and why is it the Aryan race? It is a race of Creators - never before in the existence of Gaia has such a creative organism roamed. They stand behind all great civilizations and wherever they go they bring culture, the south-Americans called them the culture bearers.

There are other races, most do not pose a threat to the creative race, as they are slave-races, they are weak organisms – content and stagnant compared to the superior Aryan organism. Sometime around 4000 years ago, a weird race came to existence, a strange race that was bodily weak and impure in spirit. This race was malcontent, it did not just want to live and populate like the other slave races. This organism, less a race than a dysgenic tribe with strange reptilian genes, wanted nothing more than to dominate all other life on the planet. Not being their nature to wage war, physically, they used manipulation to advance their greedy plans – they were not a creative warrior race but a parasitic distorter race. The ignoble were envious of the Creator race, in some ways they wanted to be like them, but they knew they never could, so mostly they feared them and wanted to destroy them. Out of the incredible fear and envy, they named the creative archetype adversary, Satan. Although the Aryan peoples had many gods, the reptilians could not understand it, since their worldview was a dualist one. To the culture distorters all the diverse Aryan gods seemed to be different versions of one god, Satan. The Satan archetype was the opposite of the greedy archetype of the parasite humanoids, Jehovah. It stood for the light-bringing Promethean spirit of the creative race, it described a spiritual-organism without fear, guilt and envy – it described an organism full of courage, pride and love.

At first, the Creators could easily recognize the parasites and throughout time, they rejected them from many lands and persecuted them for their culture distorting activities. Unfortunately, it was not enough just to ban the reptilian humanoids since they were cleverer than most realized. If they were thrown out by one nation they moved on to the next, while maintaining a presence on the outskirts. With time, there was not a single nation in the Aryan world, which the humanoids had not lived among and contaminated in some way.

The greatest weapons of the parasites were anti-Life ideologies and creeds, transmitting them around the world through false prophets. The most epidemic has been a radical sect of their own belief system known as Christianity. In hand with Christianity followed their usury system named Capitalism. These were thought forms that enslaved the peoples that followed them – making them worship the corrupt Jehovah archetype and his greedy ways of wealth control. Also, the sick humanoids knew that the surest way to dominate was to divide – divide and conquer. They knew that the best way to dominate was to create confusion and struggle, to split a people into two sides and then play both sides against each other – so they created one more materialist offshoot of their crooked mentality, called Communism.

These aliens, since their beginnings, had made use of dishonest economic practices and spiritual hoaxes to distort nations and with time rule them - this was their way since they could not fight a noble battle - this was their group evolutionary strategy. Their way has ever been to subvert, destabilize and undermine all aspects of a healthy society to weaken it and dominate it behind the scenes. Through science and folkways, besieged Aryans have resisted the enshrouding darkness - but for every mode of resistance existed a manner of both repression and reprisal where Aryans were imprisoned, tortured, and killed. The defiant human résistance fighters have been known among the humanoids as Satanists, heretics, and anti-Semites... adversaries of the shady tribal god and his messianists. Great creative people like artists and scientists were said to be in league with Satan and his demonic legions – and that was the truth! But the reptilians, clever as ever, turned the general population against the resistance fighters – the reptilians used their sickly institutions to spread fear and misunderstanding of anyone who stood against the Jehovan horde – they in their masterful game of dividing and conquering, turned the common once-Aryan people against the ones that fought for the people.

The reptilian humanoids had pulled off an amazing plan – in the four thousand years they had been in existence they had divided and conquered almost all healthy Aryan nations on the globe. Humans had been trapped in a strange dualistic world where things that were right were deemed wrong. Living dead people dedicated what could barely be called a "life" to occupied institutions and governments. The once-Aryan people had been turned into cattle for the humanoids - as masters of the humans, the reptilians programmed the humans into seeing everything pro-Life and healthy as evil and everything anti-Life and sick as good. Twisting and turning was the way of the culture distorters and thus the pro-Life Satan became seen as bad and the anti-Life Jehovah (and his offspring Christ) became seen as good. To the worshipers of the corrupt god and his feeble son, the followers of the anti-nature Judeo-Christian path – other paths, especially more honourable and life-affirming paths like paganism, have always been seen as the path of the adversary – and so they are. Those who resist are the allies of humans, not the adversaries of the humans - the resistance fighters are the adversaries of the feeble sheep-like followers of the humanoids and their sandscourge, "Jah". Like cockroaches, the spiritually Semitic fear light and those that shine it. Satan rebelled against the humanoid oppression and rejected the ways of enslavement in favour of the healthy Aryan ways of honour, valour, and Promethean creativity. The worshippers of Jesus are sheep that always have feared the freedom loving wolfs that defy the oppression of Jehovah.

A luxorious population can be governed only by nature and her laws found within National Socialism. Satanism and National Socialism are both life-affirming creeds that have been with humanity since its inception. Both are simply names for the Promethean spirit that emanates from the people of the Light bringer.

National Socialism is the laws of nature applied to socio-politics: a life-affirming creed about preserving and advancing the finest elements of humankind. The finest element of humankind is its creativeness. A National Socialist community does everything possible to improve its people in blood and spirit. To the weak and corrupt, this is Satanism – the path of rebellion to their oppressive deity. One can only be a Satanist if one walks the path of resistance to the reptilian humanoid occupation of earth – that is truly the path of the adversary of Jehovah.

Whatever be the name that people choose for their path, as long as it is a life-affirming path that shines of the Aryan will to power – the Promethean creative spirit – I will support it. This is a struggle on a cosmic scale and to win it our people must seek and apply every honourable method available to win – they must be creative and be able to adapt to any possible situation. We must not worship the dead shells of what once was, rather we will use to our advantage any possible worthy form or depiction of the fiery light bringing creative spirit!

Hail Victory!!!

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Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 05:45 PM
Satan is a biblical figure to me. Imported to Europe by christianity. As long as christianity has a bridgehead here in Europe, Satan has a function to regule and limit that. Satanism may be useful as a tool to liberation from christian brainwashing. After that is done, it is not useful to me. Maybe for others. New waves of "Satanists" will however continue to occure as new generations comes into puberty. Charming.

I have been one myself, with on-the-air radioshow in the best sendingtime directly from my Temple, banishing evil spirits in the name of Satan. However I do not take adult "Satanists" very serious if they not have a large bit of humour on their Satanism.;) Satanism may be an OK step one of a rocket, but let us hope it has a step or two more...:)

What is common is the vertical adoration, contra the horizontal. There is packed Martial energy, cause it is all radical philosophies to christianity. I can not see that there should be much more else in common between Satanism and Æsatru. Times of war makes the strangest bedpartners...

Oskorei
Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Well-written article as usual, Thulean. The idea that the same eternal values and content can find expression in different forms/ideologies during history, is central to the Traditionalism of Julius Evola. And I do agree with your core-idea, that the authentic nature of the Aryans, Hyperboreans or European bioculture (different names for the same thing ;)) can be expressed by both Satanists, Nationalsocialists and Pagans. Of course there are also versions of these three ideologies that are anti-Life, but in the present world anything else would be strange.

One thought is born after reading the article, and that is the same that is raised by Guillaume Faye regarding his own ideological construction "vitalist constructivism". Would it be an idea to start afresh with a new name for our nature in the new era?

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 07:02 PM
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In the name of Satan, Amen!

...Satan

is a biblical figure to me. Imported to Europe by christianity. As long as christianity has a bridgehead here in Europe, Satan has a function to regule and limit that.

Satanism may be useful as a tool to liberation from christian brainwashing. After that is done, it is not useful to me. Maybe for others.

New waves of "Satanists" will however continue to occure as new generations comes into puberty. Charming.

I have been one myself, with on-the-air radioshow in the best sendingtime directly from my Temple, banishing evil spirits in the name of Satan.

However I do not take adult "Satanists" very serious if they not have a large bit of humour on their Satanism.;)

Satansim may be an OK step one of a rocket, but let us hope it has a step or two more...:)

What is common is the vertical adoration, contra the horizontal. There is packed Martial energy, cause it is all radical philosophies to christianity.

I can not see that there should be much more else in common between Satanism and Æsatru. Times of war makes the strangest bedpartners...

Those smileys you posted are a little funny. Your reply is just what I expected to get, and I expect there to come more replies in the same style. Just typical. It's almost like you did not read my article. Maybe you just read the title and reacted to it? If you did read it, you seem not to have understood the message of the article. I find your reply to be reactionary.

I will help you understand. You say Satan is a biblical figure for you that is imported to Europe by Christianity. In part, you are right. But the idea of Satan is even older than Christianity, it predates the supposed birth of Christ. The Jews were in Europe before Christianity was, and thus the idea of Satan in Europe is older than the common Bible or Christianity. There is no doubt in that.

To discuss Satanism we must understand what this word, Satan means and where it comes from. There are very many ideas and diffrent explanations on what who Satan and what Satanism is. I think Satan is a force with a thousand names.

According to the Judeo-Christians Satanism is really following every other god or philosophy than Christianity, so according to the Judeo-Christians any other deity than their God (Jah, Jehova) is just another image of Satan. The Jews called every other god than Jehova, Satan for example; Baphomet an old desert fertility god became Satan. So one looking from a Judeo-Cristian window could see for example Norse Asatru or Greek mythology as Satanism.

Some even claim the origins of the word Satan are not Jewish! Of course the Judaic dualism of Good vs. Evil is stolen from Persian mythology, the Persian prophet and mystic Zoraster set forth the dualism idea.


..and also incorrectly - the figure of Satan Himself is commonly held to derive from the religion described in the Hebrew 'Old Testament', with the word "Satan" being regarded as derived from the Hebrew word for "accuser". In fact, the Hebrew word is itself derived from another word - an ancient Greek one. This Greek word -http://www.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2590&stc=1&d=1131209479 an is - that is, 'an accusation', [See, for example, its use by Aeschylus - aitiau ekho.] and also 'cause' or 'foundation' or 'origin' of some-thing. In essence, Satan as a word represents (a) the prime cause of change, of human evolution; (b) 'Adversary' in the sense of opposing norm, the accepted, and this sense is still retained in the usage of 'Devil' (e.g. Devil's Advocate). The word 'Devil' is derived from the Greek word - http://www.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2591&stc=1&d=1131209479 - via the Latin "diabolus". The figure of Satan is thus seen to be not a Hebrew invention, as hitherto supposed, but in fact a representation of opposition, of Heresy: and a symbol of creative change.
From opposition there is a synthesis - the process of dialectical change which governs evolution.


Since the Hebrew culture is an amalgam and adaptation of the various cultures encountered by the Hebrews, its should not be a surprise if "Satan" in NOT of Hebrew origin. The English "traditional Satanists" The Order of Nine Angles (who promote National Socialism as embodying our Aeonic destiny) trace the etymology of "Satan" to Greek, meaning "an accusation ([greek lettering unavailable]) from whence the Hebrew Satan, "the accuser". (It might be relevant to mention that the Grand Master of the ONA prior to the current one is a scholar who has translated several of the Greek classics). Others connect "Satan" to the Indo-Aryan SAT, the Dark entropic force infusing Nature (somewhat reminiscent of the recently discovered "dark mass" that physicists say permeates the cosmos). Many, probably most cultures have equivalents of this Dark Force. It is manifest in the creative/destructive power of SHIVA, and the cosmic interplay of Shakti/Shiva. It is represented in the Norse myth of Ragnarok where the dark hordes of Loki, Fenrir, et al. instigate the cosmic cataclysm which clears the way for a new cosmic order: a cyclic process of Creation/Destruction/Renewal, without which there would be stasis and decay.

The Doctrines of the Boundless, All-Pervading Darkness. It is not personified, never thought of as a literal Being or God, it is NOT CENTRALIZED (BIG difference here with this). This is the ROOT of all of it, the main thing. This is the MOST important aspect of Satan, above/beyond any archetypal form or myth or legend. The doctrines are of yin, sat, sod, and atma (breath of life), kundalini force, chi. The pre-Hindu Naga word SAT means "boundless All" it is a Boundless Darkness that existed prior to the Cosmos. It is the Dark Force which permeates and motivates all of Nature, all of the Cosmos whether animate or inanimate! It balances the Universe, it is the Cosmocrator of the Pythagoreans! It is that which push/pulls ALL THINGS into birth/death. This force is also called ENTROPY for it consumes time/space and all things but, in doing so, new life is created. It is the Pythagorean Apeiron, the Hellenic and Hermetic Ouroboros, the serpent devouring its own tail - the alpha and the omega - the "solvee et coagula" of the Pan Cults: (words written on the arms of the sitting Goat of Mendes), that is the dissolution and coagulation (manifesting) of existence! The doctrine is of the One (TO EN in Hellenic) and the All (TO PAN in Hellenic). All comes from the One and returns to the One - ergo The All IS The One (concept of Samsara in Tantra). The SAT (boundless darkness) TAN: (BECOMES, STRETCHES FORTH). Combine the words: SAT TAN. Knowing this requires Kundalini Yoga (Kundalini means Serpent). It is not energy, nor is it matter! However, it molds everything that is energy/matter. There is no stasis anywhere. The Satan PUSHES everything into existence and PULLS everything back to its doom or primary essence. It pushes/pulls at the SAME TIME. Goethe in his play about Faust said it this way: It WILLS the Evil - but DOES the Good!
Now, after you've read this, perhaps you understand better. You claim to have been a Satanist yourself, but from your writings you seem only to have been a psuedu-Satanist, like the LaVeyans.

You say you can not see that there should be much more else in common between Satanism and Æsatru. You speak like Ásatrú is some religion. The name Ásatrú for Norse paganism is a recent one. I will quote myself from the thread Heathenist Frustrations (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=331386#post331386).


They [my Norse and Iceland ancestors] did not need a name for their faith, for there was no single faith, there was no organized religion. You could believe in yourself, in stones or mystical nature, some known god like Þór, or some god you made up yourself. There was no dogma or bible wich they lived by! There was religious freedom.

Anyway, you must understand and agree with the core message of my article! :-O

Whatever be the name that people choose for their path, as long as it is a life-affirming path that shines of the Aryan will to power – the Promethean creative spirit – I will support it. This is a struggle on a cosmic scale and to win it our people must seek and apply every honourable method available to win – they must be creative and be able to adapt to any possible situation. We must not worship the dead shells of what once was, rather we will use to our advantage any possible worthy form or depiction of the fiery light bringing creative spirit!


Well-written article as usual, Thulean. The idea that the same eternal values and content can find expression in different forms/ideologies during history, is central to the Traditionalism of Julius Evola. And I do agree with your core-idea, that the authentic nature of the Aryans, Hyperboreans or European bioculture (different names for the same thing ;)) can be expressed by both Satanists, Nationalsocialists and Pagans. Of course there are also versions of these three ideologies that are anti-Life, but in the present world anything else would be strange.
Thank you comrade Oskorei!
I agree.

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Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 08:02 PM
You are right,

I have no use for reading all this.

I relate to the mainpoints, the relation between National Socialism, Paganism and Satanism.
My posting is not a reflective quote, but an original view on the topic.

I do not have to dive down ito every dump in your long and boring article? It is not that interesting.

The smilies signifies how much the idea of taking Satanism too serious impresses me, I smile....:) Pubertal, I wrote, I should know.

I think I have seen this move a few times before, also in the 80`s, you remember Diamandas tribute?

I also knew the original Helvete crew. Great musicians. That is the 90`s, and perhaps second or third hand history to you?

And I do not believe in the validity of information from any "orders" or "masters" or selfestablished "experts" on the theme. It is all subjective. I do not even comment your article, just the ingredients and the mix.:)

The biblical Satan, or Set, is originally a kabbalic figure, the twin brother of the archangel Mchl. The name mean set-, or sat-. The same associtions are found in many languages, like sam- or sim- does. Also a seat, or rather a throne. But also he sat a child on Eva, and became the father to her son. Adam on the other hand, was occupied with Lilith, which union also breeded.......

The sun set
set a mark..

The original spiritual Set may have been a local ruler or god of power in Assyria or Sumeria?

If one are interested of Satan, I suggest to look into the jewish kabbalah, where he is born...:D

But my compliments for your article, nice work! ;)

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 09:33 PM
You are right,
I have no use for reading all this.
I relate to the mainpoints, the relation between National Socialism, Paganism and Satanism.
My posting is not a reflective quote, but an original view on the topic.
I do not have to dive down ito every dump in your long and boring article? It is not that interesting.

I am glad you think I'm right.
I believe you have use for reading "all this".
You somewhat related to my main point, the relation between National Socialism, Paganism and Satanism, but it seems you did not understand the message.
I see your posting as reactionary and I think it's a very un-original view on the topic - just typical. You find my article to be long and boring and you find it not to so interesting. All right, so you may - however, I must inform you most who have read my article have not found it to be long. Most have found it to be interesting and most understand the core message of it.

Whatever be the name that people choose for their path, as long as it is a life-affirming path that shines of the Aryan will to power – the Promethean creative spirit – I will support it. This is a struggle on a cosmic scale and to win it our people must seek and apply every honourable method available to win – they must be creative and be able to adapt to any possible situation. We must not worship the dead shells of what once was, rather we will use to our advantage any possible worthy form or depiction of the fiery light bringing creative spirit!



The smilies signifies how much the idea of taking Satanism too serious impresses me, I smile....:) Pubertal, I wrote, I should know.

Okay. Good that you can smile. Pubertal? Your repetion of this does nothing but show your lack of esoteric and even exoteric insight into the doctrines under the name of Satanism. You probably only have experience with psudeo-Satanism like that of LaVey. True Satanism, something that is Satanic - in opposition to the modern world of "equality" - should be taking quite seriously. For a better understanding you might want to read the writings of Order of Nine Angels.
I suggest A Basic Introduction For Prospective Adherents (http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/septenary/moon/satanism__a_basic_introduction_for_prosp ective_adherents.htm) to begin with.


Satanism is understood by its genuine adherents as a particular Occult way or method. That is, it is a specific path or way toward a specific goal, the following of which involves a particular way of living.
The specific path is a dark, sinister, or 'Left Hand Path' one, and the specific goal is the creation of a new type of individual.On a more general level, Satanism is concerned with changing our evolution and the societies we live in - creating, in fact a new human species and a civilization appropriate to the new type of human being.
Satanism, however, is often regarded by its opponents or the mis-informed, as being one or more of the following: (a) worship of the Devil/Satan; (b) a religious cult which practices Black Magick; (c) an inversion of the Nazarene religion and its rites; (d) a sect which preaches and practices perversions and sexual license.


I think I have seen this move a few times before, also in the 80`s, you remember Diamandas tribute?

I know not what you speak of.


I also knew the original Helvete crew. Great musicians. That is the 90`s, and perhaps second or third hand history to you?

I know, not much though, two former mebers of the so-called 'Helvete crew'. Great musicians. That was the 90's. I'm not sure what you mean by second and third hand history to me. Anyway, from everything I've learned about the 'Helvete crew', they were mostly psuedo-Satanists. Most of them were rebellious teens, without any significant esoteric understanding of anything Satanic. However, there were a few persons who had some esoteric understanding and some who perfomed great deeds. But the one who is most important is Varg Vikernes - and he killed the 'leader' of the 'Helvete crew'. ;)


And I do not believe in the validity of information from any "orders" or "masters" or selfestablished "experts" on the theme. It is all subjective. I do not even comment your article, just the ingredients and the mix.:)

You may choose not to believe validity of information from any "orders" or "masters" or selfestablished "experts" on the theme. I believe you will not learn much on the subject doing so. But yes, you are right, it's all subjective - then again, everything is subjective.


The biblical Satan, or Set, is a originally a kabbalic figure, the twin brother of the archangel Mchl. The name mean set-, or sat-. The same associtions are found in many languages, like sam- or sim- does. Also a seat, or rather a throne. But also he sat a child on Eva, and became the father to her son. Adam on the other hand was occupied with Lilith, which union also breeded.......

The sun set
set a mark..

The original spiritual Set may have been a local ruler or god of power in Assyria or Sumeria?

If one are interested of Satan, I suggest to look into the jewish kabbalah where he is born...:D

You claim the biblical Satan is a originally a kabbalic figure, the twin brother of the archangel "Mchl". Okay, that's an interesting theory and it may be correct in part. I guess you are speaking of Lucifer, the light-bringer. Well I dont know - but you speak of Satan like he's a real thing. I must confess I dont believe in Satan, or any other supposed deity. I see dieties mostly as symbols and archetypes. So what is Satan for me? Well, he's what he was originally and has always been - the adversary of the Jewish vampirical anti-Life force known as Jehova, Jah, G-d, etc.

You might want to read this article on the name of Satan (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html).


But my compliments for your article, nice work! ;)

Thank you for your compliments. There is though one thing that puzzels me, erlier in your post, you said my article was long, boring and not that interesting. I wonder, what are your real thoughts of my article and do you understand it's core message? :)

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Tuesday, February 28th, 2006, 10:42 PM
I see your posting as reactionary and I think it's a very un-original view on the topic - just typical. You find my article to be long and boring and you find it not to so interesting. All right, so you may - however, I must inform you most who have read my article have not found it to be long. Most have found it to be interesting and most understand the core message of it.

Yes, of course. Why not? It is decent labor.


Okay. Good that you can smile. Pubertal? Your repetion of this does nothing but show your lack of esoteric and even exoteric insight into the doctrines under the name of Satanism.
Qute sure. You teach me please?



I know, not much though, two former mebers of the so-called 'Helvete crew'. Great musicians. That was the 90's. I'm not sure what you mean by second and third hand history to me. Anyway, from everything I've learned about the 'Helvete crew', they were mostly psuedo-Satanists. Most of them were rebellious teens, without any significant esoteric understanding of anything Satanic. However, there were a few persons who had some esoteric understanding and some who perfomed great deeds. But the one who is most important is Varg Vikernes - and he killed the 'leader' of the 'Helvete crew'. ;)

Wrong place to place a smiley.
Such a stupid thing to do, and that is something to smile of? Killing a young man. You think that is something worth your admiration?


You may choose not to believe validity of information from any "orders" or "masters" or selfestablished "experts" on the theme. I believe you will not learn much on the subject doing so.
Obvious

Well, he's what he was originally and has always been - the adversary of the Jewish vampirical anti-Life force known as Jehova, Jah, G-d, etc.
So could one say, but Satan is not Lucifer


You might want to read this article on the name of Satan (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Name_of_Satan.html).

No, I suppose it is mumbojumbo addressed to rebellious teenagers and other omniscents. I take the risk on not gaining miraculous information.
Maybe I priorize some of my time and attention to it in another life...;)


Thank you for your compliments. There is though one thing that puzzels me, erlier in your post, you said my article was long, boring and not that interesting. I wonder, what are your real thoughts of my article and do you understand it's core message? :)

There is no real contradiction in that. An article may subjectivly be a little bit too long, and still very good, like yours, maybe. What is boring is the references to experts and sources. I do not think they know much more than you do...The technical style could also be of shorter chapters, easier to read than long blocks.

SaxoGrammaticus
Thursday, March 2nd, 2006, 09:27 PM
Superstition is for monkeys, icy skepticism and analytical inquiry is for Aryans (humans). Our religion should focus around the purity and wellfare of our race, pure and simple. Fatalism and "praying" to supposed "gods" is suitable for the unenlightened slave-soul. All Aryan pan-theons were never to be taken litterally as personal objects of submission and/or veneration, but as SYMBOLS of the forces of nature. These eternal principles of the Universe must be RESPECTED and observed with diligence and reverence but never prayed to or chanted about like hare krishna or the infantile jesusists.
I become suspicious when theories about the welfare of our race become too verbose and intricate. Truth is never verbose or requiring lengthy dissertations to explain (I'm parafrasing David Lane).
Lets not emulate others who believe some father in the sky is responsible for all their shortcomings: We ourselves have become more powerfull than gods were perceived to be in the past.

Its a stage the Aryan has put behind him. Let us move on to more productive modes of perception and apply them to the severe problems we are facing. Like analytical science.
Hitler was only the beginning! Other leaders WILL emerge!!!

:hveðrungur:
Tuesday, April 4th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Satanism and National Socialism have nothing to do with Indo Germanic spirituality or culture. The idea of Satan comes from Christianity, a semetic cult "religion". It has nothing to do with our folk and national socialism is a political ideology, no different than communism or anything else. It is a belief system anyone can follow, "Aryan", African, Asian or anything else.

Aupmanyav
Thursday, September 7th, 2006, 03:18 AM
I will go all the way with :hveðrungur:, Satanism has nothing to do with Aryan culture and religion.
Indo-Aryan SAT, the Dark entropic force infusing Nature (somewhat reminiscent of the recently discovered "dark mass" that physicists say permeates the cosmos)'Sat' is what exists. Why call it 'dark'? It has no colour. People color it according to their inclinations. For hindus it is bright, effulgent, as in the 'Gayatri' mantra:
'Tat Savituh Varenyam, Bhargo Devasya Dheemahi, Dhiyo Yo Nah Prachodayat'
(Choose that God, meditate on the effulgent and shining, who brightens our intellect)

Catterick
Friday, June 24th, 2016, 01:09 AM
The origins of Satanism are just a re-valuation of Western theodicy that was spurred on by colonial encounters with extra-European philosophies especially the ones following the left-hand path. Understanding Wicca founder Gerald Gardner is more helpful in understanding how Satanism began. Gardner of course was not a "Satanist", nor was the Egyptologist Margaret Murray who was his contemporary who shared similar experiences in Asia. Yet both of them recognised the medieval image of Satan as something to do with their supposed male god, and the two of them interpreted ancient British pagan belief and folk culture in line with their first hand experiences in Asia. That kind of identification came naturally to Christians and that is where modern Satanism intersects with world "paganism" both ancient and modern.

The National Socialists were neither satanists or occultists of any kind. They were secular. After Hitler's death arose a new Esoteric Hitlerism around a woman named Savitri Devi whose new religion is based around what the Fuhrer had represented to a young Maximani Portaz. Fowler suggests this was purposeful on Savitri's part, because she was fascinated by the way Paul had successfully invented Christianity in the name of Jesus. This new interpretation of National Socialism as a spiritual movement started to become blurred with Satanism and Luciferanism even in Savitri's own lifetime. But her religion is at base Hinduism stamped with Hitler, not secular politics masked with Vishnu.

Nazi or "far right" Satanism exists today as more or less an Anglo-Saxon expression of volkishness under Wiccan and such influence upon ideas about the English traditional folkways.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Thursday, June 30th, 2016, 06:50 PM
frankly, i am slightly embarrassed by this Thread, which i created when I was a teenager. firstly, Nationalsozialimus is a child of the French Revolution, and was not very informed by the mythos & cultuses of the tribes which we call under the umbrella term 'Germanic'.

incidentally, i addressed an overlapping issue recently in an e-mail i sent to a contact of mine:


that you say about Adolf poor Hitler, that "he had his reasons."

would seem like support of you being so inclined to not view him as somebody who played right into his "enemy"´s hands. and in doing so brought on everything he feared and hated to a far greater global influence than it had before. his beloved Germany totally overcome by International Capitalists and Democrats and varieties of forces not especially concerned about some Germanic restoration.

right after Germanic Nationalism was magnified to explosive proportions, and then ultimately mostly terminated in a cleverly played out war & aftermath, was it as opportune as ever for everything the Nazis ever disliked to occupy Germania to a degree never seen before ever in known universal history.

Pornography, "degenerate" music, Hollywood, tabloids, recreational drugs, and immigrants.


secondly, i am not an anti-Semite anymore, and I support Israel. I do not, as it were, "blame the Jews." which would be ridiculous.

I will select the option to ignore those users who have bad argumentation skills, or a chip on their shoulders (pessimism, hatred, & other pathologies).

Catterick
Thursday, June 30th, 2016, 07:01 PM
frankly, i am slightly embarrassed by this Thread, which i created when I was a teenager. firstly, Nationalsozialimus is a child of the French Revolution, and was not very informed by the mythos & cultuses of the tribes which we call under the umbrella term 'Germanic'.

incidentally, i addressed an overlapping issue recently in an e-mail i sent to a contact of mine:


that you say about Adolf poor Hitler, that "he had his reasons."

would seem like support of you being so inclined to not view him as somebody who played right into his "enemy"´s hands. and in doing so brought on everything he feared and hated to a far greater global influence than it had before. his beloved Germany totally overcome by International Capitalists and Democrats and varieties of forces not especially concerned about some Germanic restoration.

right after Germanic Nationalism was magnified to explosive proportions, and then ultimately mostly terminated in a cleverly played out war & aftermath, was it as opportune as ever for everything the Nazis ever disliked to occupy Germania to a degree never seen before ever in known universal history.

Pornography, "degenerate" music, Hollywood, tabloids, recreational drugs, and immigrants.

Hitler was imperfect, but he was not to blame for losing a war or what happened afterwards. Don't forget the stage for WW2 was set by the outcomes of WW1. War was probably inevitable in those times it just might have played out differently, with the Italians joining the Allies or a Communist Germany or something.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Saturday, July 2nd, 2016, 08:02 PM
The Jews were using banking and media. So what?

Hitler could have used his, as it were, charisma

to set up "Aryan" banks, and "Aryan" media.

Instead he chose nihilism and barbarism.

Jäger
Sunday, July 3rd, 2016, 09:45 AM
Instead he chose nihilism and barbarism.
Could you elaborate?

Rhaegar Thorwald
Sunday, July 3rd, 2016, 02:48 PM
I object to you calling Satanism a form of Paganism.

Paganism is the true religion of Europeans.

Satanism is for folks who have watched too much television and desperately want to appear edgy and heterodox.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, July 12th, 2016, 08:24 AM
Could you elaborate?
Since you are such a long-standing member, & known to me; yes, I will elaborate.

the word 'nihilism' refers to the split of Europeans away from the Tradition of the Romans & Catholics. this is not merely my opinion but it is what two of the main coiners of the term meant by it, the German Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi (1743–1819) & the German Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (1844–1900). another early adopter is the Danish Christian Søren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813–1855).

the first lived to see the end of the Holy Roman Empire (800/962–1806).

Nationalsozialismus was thoroughly nihilistic in that it broke away from 3.000 years of Western traditions of law, theology, & etc.

This is what the word means.

Jäger
Tuesday, July 12th, 2016, 07:38 PM
Nationalsozialismus was thoroughly nihilistic in that it broke away from 3.000 years of Western traditions of law, theology, & etc.

This is what the word means.
Yes, this was at least their intention, but they only succeeded in part.

Catterick
Sunday, July 31st, 2016, 11:33 PM
I can't help but notice right up till the cuckold Satanic Temple nonsense, Satanism was near entirely a right wing phenomenon. Probably peaking with the ONA but also such writers as La Vey and Aquino were of right wing leanings. Satanic thought in all its interpretations is opposed diametrically to the contemporary left. This is something always missed by the US right with their paranoid conspiracy theories and stereotypes.

Shadow
Sunday, July 31st, 2016, 11:40 PM
I object to you calling Satanism a form of Paganism.

Paganism is the true religion of Europeans.

Satanism is for folks who have watched too much television and desperately want to appear edgy and heterodox.

I think Satanism is a reaction to the three Semitic religions in which Satan is a figure. But Christianity always has equated non-Christians to Satan and so confusing the issue (on purpose).

Catterick
Sunday, July 31st, 2016, 11:51 PM
I think Satanism is a reaction to the three Semitic religions in which Satan is a figure. But Christianity always has equated non-Christians to Satan and so confusing the issue (on purpose).
Something similar happened with the inversions of ancient Gnosticism. Its insufficient in itself to explain the demonisation of Jehovah in ancient times but must've had psychological impact.

In any case this doesn't factor in the effects of Oriental cultures on Western ideas about theodicy, or the role of existential philosophy upon evolving ideas about Satan. Or for that matter how some forms of Satanism, such as the Process Church and the ONA, are arguably not merely such at all. Existential philosophy seems to be the point where Satanic philosophy intersects with fascistic politics.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, August 2nd, 2016, 08:47 PM
Ain´t necessarily complex: Christians made Heathen proud gods into 'the devil´s' so.

Also Lucifer is actually correlative with the Jews losing their warrior pride (now having regained it after WW2, but that´s another matter). The leader of the war-angels lost vs. the judgement, and fell down (= loss of warrior principle).

Catterick
Tuesday, August 2nd, 2016, 11:07 PM
Ain´t necessarily complex: Christians made Heathen proud gods into 'the devil´s' so.

Also Lucifer is actually correlative with the Jews losing their warrior pride (now having regained it after WW2, but that´s another matter). The leader of the war-angels lost vs. the judgement, and fell down (= loss of warrior principle).

Which returns me to what I was getting at.

Dualism demonised entire facets of human existence not to mention entire categories of decent people.

Their rehabilitation came through the "other god".

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Wednesday, August 3rd, 2016, 07:23 PM
Bravo, Catterick. :thumbup