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Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Thursday, February 16th, 2006, 10:58 PM
This is a thread for quotes by all kinds of people on the Black Sun.
I'll start with Boyd Rice, he released an musical album called Children of the Black Sun.

The following is from an interview by someone called Jay Babcock, it was printed in the L.A. Times. I will underline all sentances that concern the Black Sun directly, although I'd reccomend people read the whole text.



Cocteau, the late French filmmaker/artist/poet, is a patron saint to Rice; the album is dedicated to Cocteau, and he informs much of its sound as well as its underlying concept: Indeed, the only decipherable words on Children, at the opening of the album, are sampled from Yul Brynner, the gatekeeper to some subterranean inner sanctum in Cocteau's final film, 1960's Testament of Orpheus. Likewise, the distinctive note cluster that accompanies acts of physical impossibility in Testament — characters exiting and entering Time's flow, broken roses reassembling themselves, fictional characters entering the "real" world, etc. — opens Children's luminous "The Fountain of Fortune."

But Cocteau is more than an aesthetic inspiration for Rice, who seriously believes that Cocteau was the head of a secret society called the Priory of Sion, which Rice believes was related to the Knights Templar — yet another long-alleged secret society, this one claiming that Jesus did not die on the cross and actually had a son. This is standard conspiracy stuff, convincingly debunked in recent years, yet Rice holds on to his theories, writing about them regularly in the small-press magazine Dagobert's Revenge.


"There's a lot of occult significance in Cocteau's work that goes right over most people's heads," says Rice. "In his mural at Notre Dame de France in London, you see the feet of the crucified Christ and you can see a black sun. I've been to a church that he painted in a villa in France — it looks like straightforward religious paintings, but when you look closer, there are snakes with human heads, a lot of occult patterns encoded in it. I found it amazing that this guy had this incredible knowledge that he kept secret all his life, and he encoded it into his work."


And then Rice is off, elaborating on all of the historical and thematic ideas buried in Black Sun.



"I've been reading all sorts of obscure ancient texts: rabbinic writings, apocryphal biblical texts, Sumerian texts, Chaldean texts. There are old magical incantations where mixed among the names of the demons are biblical patriarchs like Abraham and Jacob and Isaac. There's a rabbinic text which says there's a tradition that regarded Cain as the son of Adam's first wife, Lilith. Therefore Cain was in the Garden of Eden before Eve was in the Garden of Eden. And then there's another tradition that says that the serpent seduced Eve, and so Cain was the byproduct of Lucifer, not Adam.


"There was one black-sun symbol that was used by the Merovingians that's like a circle with a black dot in the middle and a bunch of lightning bolts coming out. Heinrich Himmler used that same symbol in the floor of the Nazis' Wewelsburg castle. There might have been more connections between these secret societies than most people suspect. Jean Cocteau was friends with Arno Breker, who was the most popular artist in Nazi Germany . . ."


SO BLACK SUN WOULD SEEM AN EXPLOration of the still-half-buried sources of Judeo-Christian mythology. But is anything so simple when it comes to Boyd Rice, who's been using controversial images and symbols for years, and who obviously takes great interest in hidden meaning?


A couple of weeks after I spoke with the affable Mr. Non, a friend passed me a lengthy investigative piece from the London Guardian entitled "Flirting With Hitler," in which the article's author, John Hooper, reports from Germany on how the extreme fringes of different contemporary German subcultures — Goth, neo-Nazism, neo-folk pure-race paganism and Satanism — are meeting. One of the badges that people active in this "scene" wear has the black-sun symbol on it. Yes, it was once a pagan fertility symbol, Hooper writes. But it's also considered to be a sign of the SS.


Is the title Children of the Black Sun a sly nod to this supposed growing movement of white, right-wing, neopagan racists in Germany and other parts of Europe? Or is it exactly what Rice says it is? What does it say about Rice that he uses such loaded iconography in his art?


Perhaps Cocteau himself can offer some insight here. "The interpretation of myths is indispensable to our lives," he says in Edgardo Cozarinsky's 1984 documentary, Jean Cocteau: Autobiography of an Unknown. "They are passed on through writing, as stories are passed on by word of mouth, magnifying or drying them up, but undergoing a transformation according to the personality of the tellers. The great myths are few . . . The key-myth opens for the poet the most locked of souls.


"I've always preferred mythology to history. Because history is made up of truths which eventually turn into lies — mythology is made up of lies that eventually become truths."

The following quote is from Miguel Serrano, he wrote this in the foreword Temple of Wotan.


It was the German Schutzstaffel who, one way or another, without the need
to declare it, caused the resurgence of the path of the Externsteine; the
Great Spear extended from Wewelsburg to the sacred stone of Westfalia,
symbolizing the route of return. In the great gathering hall in this castle
of Armanenschaft Initiation, where the symbol of the Black Sun was inlaid in
the floor, there hung from the ceiling, in suspended animation over one of
the portals, a great stone from the legendary Temple of Externsteine.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, February 19th, 2006, 04:07 AM
The Spear Serrano is talking about is one corner of the Wewelsburg castle. This corner was to be the tip of a spearhead. This spearhead was to be composed of a whole university which would have been run by the SS for the study of obscure, esoteric Germanic sciences and arts. This university would have been simply fantastic. All forms of new energy, Germanic yoga, runes, still suppressed archaeology, history, aether energy, earth energy, meditation, physical training, all would have been taught there. Nigel Pennick in his book Hitler's Secret Sciences discusses some of this. I think most Skadi members would have liked this place if it had ever come into being. Maybe it will someday when we are free.

Ahnenerbe
Wednesday, May 3rd, 2006, 10:25 PM
The Spear Serrano is talking about is one corner of the Wewelsburg castle. This corner was to be the tip of a spearhead. This spearhead was to be composed of a whole university which would have been run by the SS for the study of obscure, esoteric Germanic sciences and arts. This university would have been simply fantastic. All forms of new energy, Germanic yoga, runes, still suppressed archaeology, history, aether energy, earth energy, meditation, physical training, all would have been taught there. Nigel Pennick in his book Hitler's Secret Sciences discusses some of this. I think most Skadi members would have liked this place if it had ever come into being. Maybe it will someday when we are free.
What is the Vril/Black Sun?

I will try to gather and synthesize my ideas and observation on this – I don’t pretend I’m right in anything, just trying to understand and arrive to concrete conclusions.

To start and simplify, I would say that the Black Sun is the symbolization of the Vril force. The Vril force can be understood as the power of intentions, the sense of purpose given the acceptance and recognition of the laws of nature and heredity (which can include racial consciousness).

This is made possible by a strong idealism, which is the most present in continental Germanics, as opposed to the general pragmatism of Anglo-Saxons.

It is related to the fields of alternative health, new thought religions, pagan, spirituality, and metaphysical sciences. Which are also often grouped under the term of "New Age".


“Vril is the force in the blood which awakens people to their true power and potential to become supermen. Known by the Hindus as the “serpent force”; it relates to the genetic makeup of the body which allows shape-shifting and conscious interdimensional travel.” - Bulwer-Lytton, Vril or the Power of the Coming Race.

“I think the best term I have found for just what the Black Sun is, or what it symbolizes, is Urgesetz or Ur-gesetz... German for "primal law" the inescapable center of all that exists”. - White Iceland, Skadi Forum

“There is a Nordic and nationalsocialist science which is the underlying basis of all sciences and which is opposed to the judeo-liberal science.” – Adolf Hitler

“We want to make understand that it’s a completely different civilization than ours that has appeared in Germany and lived a few years on the soil of Europe”. - Pauwels and Bergier, The Morning of the Magicians

"National Socialism will not be the last word. Things must be concealed in the background which we cannot imagine at present, but we may expect to them to appear in the course of the future." - Carl Jung


Vril is at the core of what the NS Idea leads to and of what was the essence of the civilization that has a first time been given birth by National socialism.

Nationalsocialism is the political conceptualization of a naturalist Weltanschaaung, an ideological hub at the crossroads of ancestral sciences and spiritualities, which is in contradiction with Western cartesianism and humanism as we know them for a few centuries. It’s about the reconciliation between modern technologies and ancestral knowledge that had been abandoned since.

Therefore, the relation with Asatru (religion based on the cult of the ancestors and the laws of heredity) among other things and certain forms of magic, as well as radiesthesie and energetic medicine.

What is often called magic or occult (“occult” means “what is hidden”) is nothing but the ability to feel and act on the energetic flows that form the human mind/body and the whole universe (acupuncture and martial arts work on those energy flows, what the Chinese call “qi”).

Authentic health prevention (and further, acquisition of ultimate health) comes only through the understanding of what Man is. The works of Alexis Carrel (Man, The Unknown) are a great introduction of what this is about (deep understanding of our own nature versus brute mechanical approach of everything, which is typically “judeo-liberal”). All this has been neglected since 1945 and the demonization of the real sciences of man, to the benefit of a purely mechanical and chemical approach of diseases, which is tightly controlled by the various government agencies (FDA,..) and the physicians associations. Every work in a different direction is as soon repressed and condemned.

Nothing of great scale has been done since that period, except some scientific works by Soviet scientists during the cold war. [Still now, it’s in Russia that we are more likely to find people interested in these topics and working on it. The Soviet authorities have financed researches that have given stunning results that I would like to describe later – I’d have to translate some docs first).]

Everything is energy. This is know since ancient Indoeuropeans (Otzi the mummy discovered in the Alps had traces of acupuncture on his body) and is confirmed today by every progress in the field of quantum physics. The teachings of the Ancients (traditional indoeuropean medicines and philosophies) are confirmed by many university works, Nobel Prizes and the latest discoveries in quantum physics (essentially studied by Russian scientists). Quantum physics is also related to anti-gravity, the other, cosmic aspect of the Black Sun.

Alexis Carrel (Nobel Prize 1912 and eugenicist) declared that modern science had done all its progresses towards the exterior of man but ignored still everything of its inner nature, very few advances having been realized since the learned of ancient India, China, or the civilization of the Stone Age in Europe. (BTW one doesn’t have to be ashamed to practice “asian” disciplines as I’ve already heard: they have been introduced to Orientals by the Indoeuropeans, which have forgotten it later).

Vril stands for the sum of this neglected knowledge and its applications.

IMO the world belongs to those who will devote their energy to the discovery and mastery of the inner energy within each living – and non-“living” entity.

It’s not a hazard if the core of the Vril society belief was the use of esoteric teachings and mind expansion.

“Alchemy: rites and initiations designed to help access full psychic and physical potential”

Occult sciences, or what is know under the terms “magic” or “alchemy“ are the practice of those bits of what can come through to those few who have the ability to feel it.

(Webb also defines the occult as "rejected knowledge," systems of thought and doctrine cast aside by the Establishment for whatever reason. The occult community is simply the intelligentsia of the Underground, the Anti-Establishment, Counter-culture, whatever it is called or calls itself in a given age. Studying their history is valuable, says Webb, not only for its intrinsic interest, but as a window on those revolutionaries who, from time to time, disturb, modify, or replace chunks of the Establishment. (http://www.alpheus.org/html/reviews/esoteric_history/rev_webb.html))

Radiesthesists for example confess to know nothing about how their healing works, but just know how to use it. They compare themselves to a savage who could play music from a radio player; that doesn’t mean he knows how it works and how to transform or further it.

“The cause of all negative emotions is a disruption in the body’s energy system. Polarities in the body’s energy system that lead to Psychological Reversal which is the reason why some diseases are chronic and respond very poorly to conventional treatments.” - Emotional Freedom Techniques

“Cold fusion. Telepathy. Psychokinesis. Bioenergy. Alternative medicine. Science banishes these fields of research to the world of superstition, and everywhere scientists lose their jobs, funding, and respect for merely conducting research in these fields. Yet in this compelling tour of the scientific frontier, Richard Milton makes clear what the scientific establishment takes such pains to deny: A growing body of hard experimental evidence already exists to support these and other areas of alternative science.

Milton reveals the surprising results of this suppressed research and takes these results a step further: He shows that the surge of fundamentalism in the West has infected the scientific community as well, that we are living in a time of growing academic intolerance. Human progress has been powered by the paradigm-shattering inventions of brilliant iconoclasts, yet just as the scientific community dismissed Edison's lamp, Roentgen's X-rays, and even the Wrights' airplane, today's "Paradigm Police" do a better job of preserving an outdated mode of thought than of nurturing invention and discovery. Alternative Science introduces the individuals who are bucking this conservative trend, and makes the case that the alternative science of the present is destined to be the hard science of the future.

We are again living in a time of rising academic intolerance in which important new discoveries in physics, medicine, and biology are being ridiculed and rejected for reasons that are not scientific."

…….

All this is very incomplete, because its spreads into many different directions which would each one need in-depth explanation. To conclude practically:

Vril symbolizes the highest level of knowledge of our universe.
The Black Sun can be seen as the symbol of another type of civilization (Nationalsocialism was the closest thing to such a civilization).
The main purpose for us is to access highest levels of consciousness.
For this, one has to optimize his health and energetic status.
Aim to ultimate health (Hunter-gatherer diet, smart-drugs, etc)
Work on your qi/energetics (yoga, tai chi, qi gong).
Heal yourself with micro-kinesitherapy and acupuncture, or learn how it works.
Learn about Indo-European spirituality.
Watch for the advances in quantum physics/medicine
Consider the utmost importance of heredity
Search in the fields of ultimate health, emotional control, brain chemistry.

Brain science is one more key to this path. It should eventually lead to a true “bloodline science”: the study of all the aspects of what comes into the composition of a human being in order to prepare all the elements before giving birth. As everything comes from something and is being transmitted, real improvement can be obtained only through the generations. Although it’s never too late to make the most of ourselves ( a quick learning of the principles of ultimate health convinces us of this) but the optimal can really be obtained for the next generation if prepared.

This could be labeled as “ultimate eugenics”. (Genetics and heredity are either not mechanics/chemical. Our genetics is related to our thoughts, intern visions, feelings, etc. (morphogenetics) This information is conveyed by still unknown means. Quantum physics agrees on that too: information is permanently being transmitted, maybe by photons or other unknown properties and this independently of time and space. This may explain the phenomenon of telepathy, long-distance healing, etc

This may also explain why the power of prayers and intention have been proved empirically. (I don’t have sources, though). Communication with the dead and the existence of entities are recognized by many Nobel Prizes who work on quantum physics. The same goes for chakras and astral bodies.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, May 4th, 2006, 05:04 AM
What is the Vril/Black Sun?

I will try to gather and synthesize my ideas and observation on this – I don’t pretend I’m right in anything, just trying to understand and arrive to concrete conclusions.

To start and simplify, I would say that the Black Sun is the symbolization of the Vril force. The Vril force can be understood as the power of intentions, the sense of purpose given the acceptance and recognition of the laws of nature and heredity (which can include racial consciousness).

This is made possible by a strong idealism, which is the most present in continental Germanics, as opposed to the general pragmatism of Anglo-Saxons.

It is related to the fields of alternative health, new thought religions, pagan, spirituality, and metaphysical sciences. Which are also often grouped under the term of "New Age".


“Vril is the force in the blood which awakens people to their true power and potential to become supermen. Known by the Hindus as the “serpent force”; it relates to the genetic makeup of the body which allows shape-shifting and conscious interdimensional travel.” - Bulwer-Lytton, Vril or the Power of the Coming Race.

“I think the best term I have found for just what the Black Sun is, or what it symbolizes, is Urgesetz or Ur-gesetz... German for "primal law" the inescapable center of all that exists”. - White Iceland, Skadi Forum

“There is a Nordic and nationalsocialist science which is the underlying basis of all sciences and which is opposed to the judeo-liberal science.” – Adolf Hitler

“We want to make understand that it’s a completely different civilization than ours that has appeared in Germany and lived a few years on the soil of Europe”. - Pauwels and Bergier, The Morning of the Magicians

"National Socialism will not be the last word. Things must be concealed in the background which we cannot imagine at present, but we may expect to them to appear in the course of the future." - Carl Jung


Vril is at the core of what the NS Idea leads to and of what was the essence of the civilization that has a first time been given birth by National socialism.

Nationalsocialism is the political conceptualization of a naturalist Weltanschaaung, an ideological hub at the crossroads of ancestral sciences and spiritualities, which is in contradiction with Western cartesianism and humanism as we know them for a few centuries. It’s about the reconciliation between modern technologies and ancestral knowledge that had been abandoned since.

Therefore, the relation with Asatru (religion based on the cult of the ancestors and the laws of heredity) among other things and certain forms of magic, as well as radiesthesie and energetic medicine.

What is often called magic or occult (“occult” means “what is hidden”) is nothing but the ability to feel and act on the energetic flows that form the human mind/body and the whole universe (acupuncture and martial arts work on those energy flows, what the Chinese call “qi”).

Authentic health prevention (and further, acquisition of ultimate health) comes only through the understanding of what Man is. The works of Alexis Carrel (Man, The Unknown) are a great introduction of what this is about (deep understanding of our own nature versus brute mechanical approach of everything, which is typically “judeo-liberal”). All this has been neglected since 1945 and the demonization of the real sciences of man, to the benefit of a purely mechanical and chemical approach of diseases, which is tightly controlled by the various government agencies (FDA,..) and the physicians associations. Every work in a different direction is as soon repressed and condemned.

Nothing of great scale has been done since that period, except some scientific works by Soviet scientists during the cold war. [Still now, it’s in Russia that we are more likely to find people interested in these topics and working on it. The Soviet authorities have financed researches that have given stunning results that I would like to describe later – I’d have to translate some docs first).]

Everything is energy. This is know since ancient Indoeuropeans (Otzi the mummy discovered in the Alps had traces of acupuncture on his body) and is confirmed today by every progress in the field of quantum physics. The teachings of the Ancients (traditional indoeuropean medicines and philosophies) are confirmed by many university works, Nobel Prizes and the latest discoveries in quantum physics (essentially studied by Russian scientists). Quantum physics is also related to anti-gravity, the other, cosmic aspect of the Black Sun.

Alexis Carrel (Nobel Prize 1912 and eugenicist) declared that modern science had done all its progresses towards the exterior of man but ignored still everything of its inner nature, very few advances having been realized since the learned of ancient India, China, or the civilization of the Stone Age in Europe. (BTW one doesn’t have to be ashamed to practice “asian” disciplines as I’ve already heard: they have been introduced to Orientals by the Indoeuropeans, which have forgotten it later).

Vril stands for the sum of this neglected knowledge and its applications.

IMO the world belongs to those who will devote their energy to the discovery and mastery of the inner energy within each living – and non-“living” entity.

It’s not a hazard if the core of the Vril society belief was the use of esoteric teachings and mind expansion.

“Alchemy: rites and initiations designed to help access full psychic and physical potential”

Occult sciences, or what is know under the terms “magic” or “alchemy“ are the practice of those bits of what can come through to those few who have the ability to feel it.

(Webb also defines the occult as "rejected knowledge," systems of thought and doctrine cast aside by the Establishment for whatever reason. The occult community is simply the intelligentsia of the Underground, the Anti-Establishment, Counter-culture, whatever it is called or calls itself in a given age. Studying their history is valuable, says Webb, not only for its intrinsic interest, but as a window on those revolutionaries who, from time to time, disturb, modify, or replace chunks of the Establishment. (http://www.alpheus.org/html/reviews/esoteric_history/rev_webb.html))

Radiesthesists for example confess to know nothing about how their healing works, but just know how to use it. They compare themselves to a savage who could play music from a radio player; that doesn’t mean he knows how it works and how to transform or further it.

“The cause of all negative emotions is a disruption in the body’s energy system. Polarities in the body’s energy system that lead to Psychological Reversal which is the reason why some diseases are chronic and respond very poorly to conventional treatments.” - Emotional Freedom Techniques

“Cold fusion. Telepathy. Psychokinesis. Bioenergy. Alternative medicine. Science banishes these fields of research to the world of superstition, and everywhere scientists lose their jobs, funding, and respect for merely conducting research in these fields. Yet in this compelling tour of the scientific frontier, Richard Milton makes clear what the scientific establishment takes such pains to deny: A growing body of hard experimental evidence already exists to support these and other areas of alternative science.

Milton reveals the surprising results of this suppressed research and takes these results a step further: He shows that the surge of fundamentalism in the West has infected the scientific community as well, that we are living in a time of growing academic intolerance. Human progress has been powered by the paradigm-shattering inventions of brilliant iconoclasts, yet just as the scientific community dismissed Edison's lamp, Roentgen's X-rays, and even the Wrights' airplane, today's "Paradigm Police" do a better job of preserving an outdated mode of thought than of nurturing invention and discovery. Alternative Science introduces the individuals who are bucking this conservative trend, and makes the case that the alternative science of the present is destined to be the hard science of the future.

We are again living in a time of rising academic intolerance in which important new discoveries in physics, medicine, and biology are being ridiculed and rejected for reasons that are not scientific."

…….

All this is very incomplete, because its spreads into many different directions which would each one need in-depth explanation. To conclude practically:

Vril symbolizes the highest level of knowledge of our universe.
The Black Sun can be seen as the symbol of another type of civilization (Nationalsocialism was the closest thing to such a civilization).
The main purpose for us is to access highest levels of consciousness.
For this, one has to optimize his health and energetic status.
Aim to ultimate health (Hunter-gatherer diet, smart-drugs, etc)
Work on your qi/energetics (yoga, tai chi, qi gong).
Heal yourself with micro-kinesitherapy and acupuncture, or learn how it works.
Learn about Indo-European spirituality.
Watch for the advances in quantum physics/medicine
Consider the utmost importance of heredity
Search in the fields of ultimate health, emotional control, brain chemistry.

Brain science is one more key to this path. It should eventually lead to a true “bloodline science”: the study of all the aspects of what comes into the composition of a human being in order to prepare all the elements before giving birth. As everything comes from something and is being transmitted, real improvement can be obtained only through the generations. Although it’s never too late to make the most of ourselves ( a quick learning of the principles of ultimate health convinces us of this) but the optimal can really be obtained for the next generation if prepared.

This could be labeled as “ultimate eugenics”. (Genetics and heredity are either not mechanics/chemical. Our genetics is related to our thoughts, intern visions, feelings, etc. (morphogenetics) This information is conveyed by still unknown means. Quantum physics agrees on that too: information is permanently being transmitted, maybe by photons or other unknown properties and this independently of time and space. This may explain the phenomenon of telepathy, long-distance healing, etc

This may also explain why the power of prayers and intention have been proved empirically. (I don’t have sources, though). Communication with the dead and the existence of entities are recognized by many Nobel Prizes who work on quantum physics. The same goes for chakras and astral bodies.



This is a great post, Ahnenerbe. The idea of the Black Sun whose underlying energetic force was Vril is wide reaching. Each of us who have posted in the Black Sun/Schwarze Sonne section have made valid points about its scope but its scope is huge and all encompassing and each new person may understand it in a way in which can add to our knowledge. It is often said that race or the Voekisch concept was religion to the Nazis but this BS concept was at least second and in many ways fundamental to the racial concept as Ahnenerbe points out.

A practicing Odinist told me that contrary to Christianity, Odinism embraces evolution because evolution is really an energy process. It is an organizational process in which energy is constantly being used more efficiently. This is the nature of Life itself. Death, on the other hand, is a loss of organization. This compares favorably with Schauberger's centripital and centrifugal forces. The former is organizing and creative while the latter is disorganizing and destructive. In terms of pure energy, this compares will to the concept of entropy. Entropy is randomness or disorganization. Negative entropy is organization. Life is at a high state of negative entropy. Death is disorganization and so entropy. The Black Sun itself is the most organized thing in the universe. In this way it is life-like. The energy force behind the Black Sun is Vril or aether energy. This is the organizing force behind our whole Universe-- life, thought, evolution, energy, matter, everything!